@GerryK61 Used to work Tech for Summit racing and ive heard acouple different reasons. I believe is the sudden vacuum drop from the roots. Engine stays at idle but the roots 'self accelerate' the engine. Idle circuit of the carb only supports so much fuel until the idle comes back down, then the engine catches and spins up again...and again. Blower surge kills the vacuum at idle, idle drops to decent vacuum and then surges back up again.
@nawitus It does need to be mentioned that Chevy is currently working on a direct injection version of it's line of LS engines (Corvette, camaro, manaro, ute, ect.) And next stage after that line hits the road is for the LS engine to be adapted to DOHC's. My guess is that by that time ford's 5.0L will be producing around 500hp instead of 412hp.
Man Tom, that blown 572 is devastating! I want that in my Black 55 Chevy!! I have just a F1 Procharger 572 GM crate motor in now. I wanna go Ballz too Wall with it! Any suggestions? Car is great shape overall. Thanks bud....you da man bro!!😎👍
Nice. I thought my project was over-the-top... Are you running 4 coils with waste firing with the 60-2 timing teeth, or do you run 8 coils and sense the cam position? I'm finishing a Ford FE 482 with 8-71 and same Electromotive box, but with 4 coils in waste firing configuration. Pulleys for 6/10 lbs boost on 91/100 octane. Design goal is 650/950 hp. Your thoughts on ignition? Thanks, dd
For big power at WOT, a carburetor is still hard to beat. EFI gets you reliability and better fuel delivery control under a broader range of conditions and throttle positions. Depending on your application, a carb is still a very good choice.
+Tim Martin Oh man, this urban dictionary quote hahaha "Immediately after you blow your load in a girl's mouth, smack the back of her head and make it come out her nose. When she gets up she'll look like an angry dragon." I'm K.O.
I am a beginner in engines. when people do not install the carburetor between Blower and Scoop. Where is it installed? What is the advantage of installing this way?the engine of the video is not Intercooled right?I saw some supercharged intercooled engines and they are very high an engine with the carburetor mounted that way and Intercooler will be really high.
@nawitus Maybe on the crash standards, but many vehicles sold in EU are NOT allowed in the US because of emissions. Which mustang 2010 or 2011, because the 2010 still has the anemic -350hp SOHC 3V 4.6L while the 2011 has the 412hp DOHC 5.0L. I'll agree that 412hp is rather low for DOHC's and VVT, but this IS the first installment of the new coyote 5.0L. Jaguar's 4.2L didn't make near as much hp as it does now when it was first released.
@nawitus Have you ever driven a Corvette? The only down side a Vette has in how it handles is that it's too firm for most of the roads overseas, consider though that the roads over here are much smoother thus a firmer suspension than Imports is actually desired.
@porknbeans2013 This is true. I'd imagine if you got Nelson to install it they could move the turbos around a bit to make it fit, but still not many Euro cars would take it. I'd LOVE to see it in a strengthened old VOlvo brick wagon though... ultimate sleeper to embarrass the Ferrari's.
is this the motor you put in the Cad.? id still like to see pull the 1200 horse number.hey Tom you guy's outa install a rear wheel horse power dyno in the new shop
@nawitus Yes the larger the engine the more fuel it will need to a smaller engine of comparable build. Consider this though. If an engine is making great hp per liter then yes you can make as much power as most V8's but the trade off is that to make that power you either have to rev the engine too high to get good mpg, or you have to turbocharge them and that sacrifices mpg because of the extra fuel needed for the extra air. Without either you have to hold the pedal to the floor just to speed up
Not much point in that. The LS architecture was a big step up from the Gen 1, but it is not the same compared to the BBC. There are 24 degree BBC heads now that flow over 500 CFM, no point trying to build a big block LS. Want to go custom? 481X is the game.
It can do with or without. I highly doubt he runs sequential ignition so no need. Also, a 60-2 has a pretty high resolution, so with a Holley Dominator you can in fact run sequential without a cam sync. But at any rate there's no need to make life hard. I run a Dom 60-2 and just use a MSD Dual sync distributor with a flat cap for cam sync. Leaves room for blowers and tunnel rams.
That thing is ridiculous! Hell at a lower rpm spectrum for horsepower you have 890 trq. and 793 hp. Now that's power! But what i love about giant blowes is than when it's breathing it huff's and puff's and will blow anyone away? Just push on the throttle and presto instant MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!
@nawitus Might I mention that the engines powering every US sports/muscle car is built with the full intention of it's owner modifying the engine. for that reason all but a select few engines are built making only about 65% - 75% of the power they are built to handle, there is no reason to put overly exotic components in something if they are more than likely to be replaced. As for the engine in the video, NRE over-builds their engines then tunes them back down for great streetability.
@porknbeans2013 The only thing I'd change about your set up is the transmission. I'd complete the modernization and add a six speed standard with over drive for cruisability.
@nawitus You left out two very important factors in your equation of acceleration, weight + aerodynamics. For a formula 1 car a 20,000rpm Cosworth engine is the perfect application because of the vehicles almost non existing weight and superior aerodynamics. In the case of classic cars which weigh much more and sometimes have the aerodynamics of a wall, a high torque low revving engine is best suited for the job. If you built a honda use a high rpm motor, if you build a Impala use a BBC.
@porknbeans2013 Damn right I'm picky xD The thing that bugs me most about autos is that I like races with turns involved. It's pretty essential to have control over your gears in such a situation.
@porknbeans2013 Porsche 928 frames are good for well over 1000 hp/tq. I don't think the beemer would stand up to well though.... probably twist it in half.
Is there anyway to compensate for the blower surge..?? In an all out performance atmosphere it doesn't matter. On the street besides being annoying as hell, it can't be good for the engine, constantly loading and unloading fuel squirt, belt tension and all related components.... It would drive me nuts....
@nawitus It's only a band aid on a bullet wound. Both my parents mazda 6's make 160 and have 5speed automatics, even with the torque multiplication from the transmission it still requires much more torque to effectively push though the air at 70 and have some simblence of acceleration if you need it. The aerodynamics of the modern cars does help a little, but they are still very lacking from what's possible. And until auto makers finally fix that, I'm going to keep using my trusty muscle car.
On the track, you're using a fairly narrow RPM range, say 4500-6500. It's cheap enough to just run carbs a little fat. 30hp loss on a 300hp engine is kind of an issue, but a 60hp loss on a 1200hp engine, who cares. Of course with EFI, the throttle response would be much more nasty.
What does that have to do with anything? It was built to sound this way and look like this. A completely different experience. Yes you can make a lot of power witha turbo, but you don't get the sound nor do you get the low torque and response.
Hey Nelson, what mic are you using to capture those magnificent noises? I think it's not up to the task of capturing something that loud and I hear the microphone distorting. Never underestimate the importance of the sound quality of your videos, as many people don't actually *watch* the videos, but rather, like me, simply listen to the videos as they're doing something else. Might I suggest a Royer R10, a ribbon mic (old technology, yes, but still very good) that has a SPL rating of 160dB. It's $500 and the ribbon may have to be replaced after about 10 years, but with Royer, the first re-ribboning is on the house. Another reason I think a Royer R10 would be great for you is the fact that the highest frequencies, i.e. the ones that will make your ears bleed, are "rolled-off." Ribbon mics are known for low-end bass response and taming harsh high-end frequencies. Running a seperate mic and camera does come with its challenges, especially if you're not good with electronics. That said, if you're from SoCal, there are 10,000 guys within one mile who know how to do stuff like that and are always looking for a side job, and setting up a camera and mic setup is easy for them.
Also, when you're talking, nothing beats a lavalier mic. A lav mic is one that you wear, and some of them even come with 1/8" stereo jacks to plug *directly* into a camera, no expertise necessary.
Can you put things together yourself? Now a days, this is a pretty easy build. Everything you need is off the shelf. Just make sure your tolerances are in order. You could build a properly nasty 582 with a TBS 10-71 for about 20-25k with an alu block and easy-to-use TBI Sniper EFI.
Be glad nobody took your call. He's unreliable to say the least. Why would you waste your time when there are so may great builders out there. Shafiroff, Reher-Morrison, Moran, Schmidt, Morris, Leonard. If what you say is true, save yourself a lot of grief and stay away.
@nawitus Not to mention that my point was that NO current V8 Cadillac make anywhere close to that little power so you point is very imature by comparing a discontinued engine to a modern engine. Case and point. The current standard for a NA performance V6 is 300hp, only one auto maker (Chrysler) in America will fail that standard since Chevy's 3.6 V6 (which by the way is the standard baseline engine for ALL currently made Cadillac models) makes 304hp and Fords 3.7 V6 makes 305hp.
Because they create a condition where they cycle between rich and lean at idle. Because the carbs don't see vacuum, they have a hard time providing fuel ad idle, which causes a lean condition. This lean condition causes RPM to rise. As the RPM rise, the carbs receive a stronger signal and then richen up the mixture. This causes the RPM to drop. Blower surge is more a result of poor tuning than a big cam or big blower. In situations with large cams and big blowers running carbs it is hard to eliminate completely, but that is not in a situation such as this. If you build a 582 with a 14-71, a 292/310 cam and over .900 lift and carbs, then surge is just part of the game if you run the RPM low. But this would be a serious race setup making will over 1700 hp on C16. In a street build such as this, where the cam spec is more like low 700 lift, 27X intake duration @ 050, then blower surge is completely unnecessary. It is just made to make the engine sound more nasty than it is. Unfortunately it kills both spark plugs and belts.
He is probably fed up with being called out. Guess he dug the hole himself. Would have been nice if he ever had shown a vid making the claimed power. He rarely did, and when he was close, it was always shady. Just look at the numbers here. All fine and dandy, but when will you ever see 124 F in your car? Run this at 185 F and you will see a drop in 30 ft. over the entire curve. With NRE there was always something.
The throttle response at 5k under load is still insane Tom, yea how can you not love this set up, crap I need a cigarette and I don't smoke.
You’re Nuts Tom ! Love you and your program !!!! You make my day hahaha
how SWEET it is ...good job Nelson AWESOME
That thing could reverse the earth's rotation
lol
I love that surge.
WOW I wish I had one.. Love your videos.
That throttle response is maddness!
I love it.. makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside
It sounds AMAZING.
i think i just fell in love, dude with that engine :O!
Man I love this stuff
Ohhhhh the sound of HEAVEN
you do nice videos. you explain alot
That truly is a magnificent sound and you are a genious Tom. What causes a blown motor to surge at idle. Love that!
We miss your videos plz post soon
OHHHH THE SOUNDS OF HEAVEN!!!!
Best Dyno video EVAR!!
@GerryK61 Used to work Tech for Summit racing and ive heard acouple different reasons. I believe is the sudden vacuum drop from the roots. Engine stays at idle but the roots 'self accelerate' the engine. Idle circuit of the carb only supports so much fuel until the idle comes back down, then the engine catches and spins up again...and again. Blower surge kills the vacuum at idle, idle drops to decent vacuum and then surges back up again.
Blowers are awesome
Idk what sounds better between this or Zondas 7.3 V12. But both are fucking godly
I would love to have that in my 68 Chevy pickup....
That's just too freakin great...
@nawitus It does need to be mentioned that Chevy is currently working on a direct injection version of it's line of LS engines (Corvette, camaro, manaro, ute, ect.) And next stage after that line hits the road is for the LS engine to be adapted to DOHC's. My guess is that by that time ford's 5.0L will be producing around 500hp instead of 412hp.
I love that blower surge...
But you will hate replacing spark plugs.
Man Tom, that blown 572 is devastating! I want that in my Black 55 Chevy!!
I have just a F1 Procharger 572 GM crate motor in now.
I wanna go Ballz too Wall with it!
Any suggestions?
Car is great shape overall.
Thanks bud....you da man bro!!😎👍
Big! this is POWER^^
Wooow Beautiful ❤
Nice. I thought my project was over-the-top... Are you running 4 coils with waste firing with the 60-2 timing teeth, or do you run 8 coils and sense the cam position? I'm finishing a Ford FE 482 with 8-71 and same Electromotive box, but with 4 coils in waste firing configuration. Pulleys for 6/10 lbs boost on 91/100 octane. Design goal is 650/950 hp. Your thoughts on ignition? Thanks, dd
For big power at WOT, a carburetor is still hard to beat. EFI gets you reliability and better fuel delivery control under a broader range of conditions and throttle positions. Depending on your application, a carb is still a very good choice.
8:15 big block DJ killin it😊👍
It's like a angry Dragon spittin flames! Dream engine!
Robert Bidochon φ haha you should Google angry dragon.
+Tim Martin Oh man, this urban dictionary quote hahaha
"Immediately after you blow your load in a girl's mouth, smack the back
of her head and make it come out her nose. When she gets up she'll look
like an angry dragon."
I'm K.O.
I would like that engine to be put in my 2003 Z71 Chevy Tahoe.
Over 800 foot pounds at 3300 rpm.... Shit !... Beast mode !
Did you see the water temps? That thing would be down what, about 30 fr. in a car at 180+.
Could you do more info on the laptop software for the programming?
I am a beginner in engines. when people do not install the carburetor between Blower and Scoop. Where is it installed? What is the advantage of installing this way?the engine of the video is not Intercooled right?I saw some supercharged intercooled engines and they are very high an engine with the carburetor mounted that way and Intercooler will be really high.
@nawitus Maybe on the crash standards, but many vehicles sold in EU are NOT allowed in the US because of emissions. Which mustang 2010 or 2011, because the 2010 still has the anemic -350hp SOHC 3V 4.6L while the 2011 has the 412hp DOHC 5.0L. I'll agree that 412hp is rather low for DOHC's and VVT, but this IS the first installment of the new coyote 5.0L. Jaguar's 4.2L didn't make near as much hp as it does now when it was first released.
AWSOME
Nasty
I like the "fender well" dyno headers......yea.
@BigRed10287 By the way I'm comparing a 1000hp 4 cylinder to a 1000hp V8. I forgot the mention how much power the twin turbo V8 is making.
Wow I need that in my 1985 c10
I need this in my 74 Chevy c20 step side
@nawitus Have you ever driven a Corvette? The only down side a Vette has in how it handles is that it's too firm for most of the roads overseas, consider though that the roads over here are much smoother thus a firmer suspension than Imports is actually desired.
@porknbeans2013 This is true. I'd imagine if you got Nelson to install it they could move the turbos around a bit to make it fit, but still not many Euro cars would take it. I'd LOVE to see it in a strengthened old VOlvo brick wagon though... ultimate sleeper to embarrass the Ferrari's.
is this the motor you put in the Cad.? id still like to see pull the 1200 horse number.hey Tom you guy's outa install a rear wheel horse power dyno in the new shop
What model electromotive was that ??
@nawitus Yes the larger the engine the more fuel it will need to a smaller engine of comparable build. Consider this though. If an engine is making great hp per liter then yes you can make as much power as most V8's but the trade off is that to make that power you either have to rev the engine too high to get good mpg, or you have to turbocharge them and that sacrifices mpg because of the extra fuel needed for the extra air. Without either you have to hold the pedal to the floor just to speed up
How do you correct the 500rpm surging at idle so that is has a more stable or constant idle ?
Why?? That sounds like pure sex!!
If I ever win the lottery, I want a 572 LS! Fuel injection and all! Of course everything would have to be custom!! But be bas ass!
Not much point in that. The LS architecture was a big step up from the Gen 1, but it is not the same compared to the BBC. There are 24 degree BBC heads now that flow over 500 CFM, no point trying to build a big block LS.
Want to go custom? 481X is the game.
Bout blew out my earbuds😂😂😂
Whats the right hand lever for?
wonder if i could stuff this under the hood of my 90 bronco?
That Big Block Chevy could take a flying side kick from Chuck Norris and still bring the power!
I dont know ! that is pushing it
Does this setup utilize a cam sync?
It can do with or without. I highly doubt he runs sequential ignition so no need.
Also, a 60-2 has a pretty high resolution, so with a Holley Dominator you can in fact run sequential without a cam sync.
But at any rate there's no need to make life hard. I run a Dom 60-2 and just use a MSD Dual sync distributor with a flat cap for cam sync. Leaves room for blowers and tunnel rams.
@porknbeans2013 Sounds awesome.
couple questions, if its all digital ignition, is there a distributor? I didn't see one, and if not, what do you put in the distributor hole?
Nothing.
You just block it off,
You simply run a crank trigger and an aluminum slug. The Ecu is handling the timing.
Liam McInerney you put in a strap-on distributor, of course.
I need this in my 2006 altima
Said no man..EVER!!!
It’s tuned for a Corolla
I've been working on a plan too drop one in a 67 dodge dart.
That thing is ridiculous! Hell at a lower rpm spectrum for horsepower you have 890 trq. and 793 hp. Now that's power!
But what i love about giant blowes is than when it's breathing it huff's and puff's and will blow anyone away? Just push on the throttle and presto instant MONSTER!!!!!!!!!!
I want a 632 from you guys
why not run it on e85 that way you don't need race gas and pump gas tune
@nawitus Might I mention that the engines powering every US sports/muscle car is built with the full intention of it's owner modifying the engine. for that reason all but a select few engines are built making only about 65% - 75% of the power they are built to handle, there is no reason to put overly exotic components in something if they are more than likely to be replaced. As for the engine in the video, NRE over-builds their engines then tunes them back down for great streetability.
HEY TOM HOW MUCH TO PUT IT IN MY 86 Z28 CAMARO
@porknbeans2013 The only thing I'd change about your set up is the transmission. I'd complete the modernization and add a six speed standard with over drive for cruisability.
what a sick engine!
MR NELSON YOU THE MAN.
@nawitus You left out two very important factors in your equation of acceleration, weight + aerodynamics. For a formula 1 car a 20,000rpm Cosworth engine is the perfect application because of the vehicles almost non existing weight and superior aerodynamics. In the case of classic cars which weigh much more and sometimes have the aerodynamics of a wall, a high torque low revving engine is best suited for the job. If you built a honda use a high rpm motor, if you build a Impala use a BBC.
crazy thing is, will this thing hold up to me standing in it for a while.
@nawitus And that was like 20 yrs ago...
@porknbeans2013
Damn right I'm picky xD
The thing that bugs me most about autos is that I like races with turns involved. It's pretty essential to have control over your gears in such a situation.
Now on full boost and racing fuel instead of pump gas, how much power are we talking?
Maybe it"s 1200 maybe it"s not.... Still waiting...
each rev kills a treehugger lol
@porknbeans2013 Porsche 928 frames are good for well over 1000 hp/tq. I don't think the beemer would stand up to well though.... probably twist it in half.
Is there anyway to compensate for the blower surge..?? In an all out performance atmosphere it doesn't matter. On the street besides being annoying as hell, it can't be good for the engine, constantly loading and unloading fuel squirt, belt tension and all related components.... It would drive me nuts....
I paid extra just for the surge, sounds like pure sex!
Why the throttle is not stable?
It's just blower surge. Look it up.
@nawitus It's only a band aid on a bullet wound. Both my parents mazda 6's make 160 and have 5speed automatics, even with the torque multiplication from the transmission it still requires much more torque to effectively push though the air at 70 and have some simblence of acceleration if you need it. The aerodynamics of the modern cars does help a little, but they are still very lacking from what's possible. And until auto makers finally fix that, I'm going to keep using my trusty muscle car.
was this pump gas ??? gallons per session ????
Better than porn
Well.....IDK about that. It is pretty close though.
@imoprahrich Almost all of the NRE engines are built for street cars. I do believe this one is for a customers car.
Badasses
On the track, you're using a fairly narrow RPM range, say 4500-6500. It's cheap enough to just run carbs a little fat. 30hp loss on a 300hp engine is kind of an issue, but a 60hp loss on a 1200hp engine, who cares. Of course with EFI, the throttle response would be much more nasty.
What's the specs on the cam?! Nasty giant
You expect a custom engine builder to give you his cam specs? Funny.
Hey tom il go see you soon I hope you can build me something with 2500 hp and under 60 thousand
Why can't you put a turbo on it, to fit under a hood.?
What does that have to do with anything? It was built to sound this way and look like this. A completely different experience. Yes you can make a lot of power witha turbo, but you don't get the sound nor do you get the low torque and response.
Wow !! That is Tesla P100 Hp and Torque..
Yeah on a fully charged battery, then you loose half that. And does a tesla look or sound as good?
Hey Nelson, what mic are you using to capture those magnificent noises? I think it's not up to the task of capturing something that loud and I hear the microphone distorting. Never underestimate the importance of the sound quality of your videos, as many people don't actually *watch* the videos, but rather, like me, simply listen to the videos as they're doing something else. Might I suggest a Royer R10, a ribbon mic (old technology, yes, but still very good) that has a SPL rating of 160dB. It's $500 and the ribbon may have to be replaced after about 10 years, but with Royer, the first re-ribboning is on the house. Another reason I think a Royer R10 would be great for you is the fact that the highest frequencies, i.e. the ones that will make your ears bleed, are "rolled-off." Ribbon mics are known for low-end bass response and taming harsh high-end frequencies.
Running a seperate mic and camera does come with its challenges, especially if you're not good with electronics. That said, if you're from SoCal, there are 10,000 guys within one mile who know how to do stuff like that and are always looking for a side job, and setting up a camera and mic setup is easy for them.
Also, when you're talking, nothing beats a lavalier mic. A lav mic is one that you wear, and some of them even come with 1/8" stereo jacks to plug *directly* into a camera, no expertise necessary.
@@mortachaiepstein3584 Did you notice the age of the video?
Like a kid in a candy store..... that he owns... lolololol
why didn't you take care of the blower surge, does it not affect performance above 2K rpm? Also, how do you get rid of that...
Mac Sogandares caused by over rich condition. Better control with efi
CHARLES GIAIMO So this has the same affects on performance as running a rich mixture?
Speaking of DOHC's, isn't NRE working on a new DOHC engine?
Interesting to see so many years later what all his bragging turned out to be. Nothing but BS.
A thumbs up doesn't do your comment justice.
how much for one of these
a year of your WAGES
Jesus christ! What a monster!!! How much is this going cost me?
Can you put things together yourself? Now a days, this is a pretty easy build. Everything you need is off the shelf. Just make sure your tolerances are in order.
You could build a properly nasty 582 with a TBS 10-71 for about 20-25k with an alu block and easy-to-use TBI Sniper EFI.
I have called. Left voice mails, emails.... need a build sheet and price tag for this build.
Be glad nobody took your call. He's unreliable to say the least.
Why would you waste your time when there are so may great builders out there. Shafiroff, Reher-Morrison, Moran, Schmidt, Morris, Leonard. If what you say is true, save yourself a lot of grief and stay away.
Why is the throttle response worse than a big turbo Civic? 🤔
What? You think that a roots blown 572 has a worse throttle response than a turbo Honda? Come back when you know more about engines.
@nawitus Not to mention that my point was that NO current V8 Cadillac make anywhere close to that little power so you point is very imature by comparing a discontinued engine to a modern engine. Case and point. The current standard for a NA performance V6 is 300hp, only one auto maker (Chrysler) in America will fail that standard since Chevy's 3.6 V6 (which by the way is the standard baseline engine for ALL currently made Cadillac models) makes 304hp and Fords 3.7 V6 makes 305hp.
@porknbeans2013 20 is fine, that lets me drive it every day. Versus 5 MPG with no overdrive, which would be too expensive to run on a regular basis.
Build one with the new 8 liter Whipple
Two different things. You will not get the same throttle response.
nelsonracingengines...why do some supercharged engines "surge" at idle?
Because they create a condition where they cycle between rich and lean at idle. Because the carbs don't see vacuum, they have a hard time providing fuel ad idle, which causes a lean condition. This lean condition causes RPM to rise. As the RPM rise, the carbs receive a stronger signal and then richen up the mixture. This causes the RPM to drop. Blower surge is more a result of poor tuning than a big cam or big blower. In situations with large cams and big blowers running carbs it is hard to eliminate completely, but that is not in a situation such as this. If you build a 582 with a 14-71, a 292/310 cam and over .900 lift and carbs, then surge is just part of the game if you run the RPM low. But this would be a serious race setup making will over 1700 hp on C16. In a street build such as this, where the cam spec is more like low 700 lift, 27X intake duration @ 050, then blower surge is completely unnecessary. It is just made to make the engine sound more nasty than it is.
Unfortunately it kills both spark plugs and belts.
@@AB-80X ... thank you for the well-defined answer, I completely understand now
this literally is the sexiest engine I've ever HEARD in my life....I'm soooooooo jealous!!!!!!! oh and they say big blocks cant rev heheh ;)
Daym...how much does it cost to be that nasty?
The engine itself is USD $15,000, not to mention all the upgrades. Worth every penny.
#countryboycansurvive for me about 60,000 dollars for what I need him to build for me I looked into it already about 2500 hp believe me it isnt cheap
WTF? NRE were are some updated vids man?
He is probably fed up with being called out.
Guess he dug the hole himself.
Would have been nice if he ever had shown a vid making the claimed power. He rarely did, and when he was close, it was always shady. Just look at the numbers here. All fine and dandy, but when will you ever see 124 F in your car? Run this at 185 F and you will see a drop in 30 ft. over the entire curve. With NRE there was always something.