British Rail Scotrail-Stirling & Perth 1989
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- Another Scotrail video from 1989 this time Stirling and Perth. Seen are DMUs and loco hauled trains both Inter-City and Scotrail hauled by class 47s along with a couple of push-pull's. Also seen are a couple of 37 hauled freights and all the lovely semaphore signals at Stirling, sadly now gone (i have a soft spot for semaphore signalling and will upload films with them in operation at various places around the UK). Some great shots here for those old enough to remember it all, and something to lament for those who missed it! If you liked the video please subscribe to my channel, there are lots more transport & quirky vids to upload!
"This is Stirling. This is Stirling." That announcement I remember well when going to and from Dunblane
Yes, i can remember it well even after all these years! Same as Glasgow Central's Hi-De-Hi style start of announcements!
..Great vid'...those were the days of proper railways...47's, 37's, DMU's,..etc etc...!!!..much better than nowadays...with only friggin boring sprinters..on every track everywhere...you look and go...bring back the 80's...!!!.
I'm doing my best! lol....Lots more to come...
Depending on how old you are and where you grew up, then ditto 70s, 60s and 50s - from a small boy standing on the platform at East Croydon in 1956 watching the Brighton Belle roll majestically through, unusually via platform 2 which was then the down Brighton slow line and is now the up fast reversible!
Scotrail Blue Stripe, such a striking livery
I thought it suited the 47s well......
Very nice video. Good catch getting ‘Charles Rennie MacIntosh,’ complete with ScotRail livery
I think it was the only time i ever saw it! Until i uploaded this i forgot how much good action there was at Perth back then.
thankyou for posting this. this brings back so many memories for me as a young trainspotter back in the day.
I have more Scotrail footage and will get some more up soon.
Excellent. It’s my era . Brought all the memories back
I have more! I will dig out more film rom Scotland, some more loco hauled, a bit of freight 26s included and more old units-happy viewing!
Soi Buakhao Thankyou very much. That would be very good of you. Excellent period
This video is a gem for anyone interrested in the Scottish railway scene, lots more to see as nowadays, where you can spent an hour in Perth and see just four DMU's .
I wondered what Inverness based 47640 was doing at the head of the Glasgow Queen Street-Aberdeen push-pull service.
Maybe standing in for a failed 47/7?, as it can't do the return trip without running round as it has no push-pull controls.
Thank you. Yes i think 640 was covering for a non available 47/7. They would have had a shunt release loco ready at Queen Street in order to release the loco i should imagine.
The slam door trains back then had character 😀
brilliant video,this is the period i grew up with,wish i could get this and the glasgow video on dvd to show my dad and uncle who were both drivers based at dundee and perth.
Hi there, go to my youtube page (click on my name) and then click 'about'. On that page is a way to get my email address!
brilliant video. a lot of memories of that period! I have some of these class of locos on my Dean Park Station layout. Cheers. Dave
I hope my uploads give railway modellers some ideas or the chance to see what places were like if they are basing a layout on a particular location.
Great video.
Love the high quality.
I had a Panasonic video camera that took E180 VHS tapes which meant i didn't have to transfer what i had filmed like people did who used cam-corders with small sized tapes. so when i transfered my fims onto DVD i used a high resolution on the discs that kept the quality up. Now they have been copied across to MP4 it has kept them fresh and clear, not as good as the latest DVD camers of corse but considering what we had back in the 80s & 90s i think the extra cost of the larger camera was worth it, i have a lot of buses, trains & tube stock that has long since been scrapped! happy viewing...cos there's lots more to come!
I got my appointment as driver in the summer of 89, great times, the railways on show in this video make very reminiscent of those times, great days indeed.
I'm pleased you like them. I had no idea when filming this it would ever be seen by more than my father and a few friends, it's great that technology has allowed so many to share my trips out.......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus a national treasure.
Very enjoyable! Thank you :)
My pleasure......i can't believe it was 30 years ago now!
Brings back nice memories.
Big flashback with the announcement "This is Stirling", though I'm sure the phrase was repeated twice.
Oh yes, i can still here it in my head even now, 30 years later..... lol
47635 "Jimmy Milne" shown very near the end has fairly recently re-entered preservation service on the Epping Ongar Railway with fresh paint (BR blue large logo)after some work.
That's interesting to know, thank you. I haven't been to the Epping/Ongar railway this year, the last i saw of it was laid up under restoration.
Great Video.
What's most fascinating is the changes to the Stirling skyline over the past 30 years. Nice to see the rolling stock too.....and oh how those Sprinters still service the network well to this day - Queen Street to Oban anyone :) Not too many structural changes to Stirling station, apart from the new bridge over to platform 9 and the building of a new shelter on that platform.
I hope to go back this year and chase some HST's around....
37196 shows the scars from when it was named "Tre Pol and Pen", a Cornish phrase, meaning "settlement, pond, and headland". The loco carried that name when based at Laira depot in Plymouth, and the plates were moved to 37672 in 1988.
Yes, it was in the china clay freight pool out-based at St Blazey.....
Awesome footage well done ,spent a few hours on this and many other sc stations........anyone else remember those red flying saucer seats damned uncomfortable !!
Were they platform seats or on the trains? I had an All Line Rover and took off to Scotland to get film of just about anything as it was something i wouldn't see much of living in London. Glad i got what i did as soon all disappeared!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus 11.21 i sat on that very one!!! i used to get All line rovers too unfortunately i took all my pics on slide . i can only ever remember those seats on the SC though!!!
@@johnniesimmonds9561 I see what you mean now, no i never noticed them in my travels. Must have been some sort of experimental seat that never came to anything.
@@johnniesimmonds9561 At least you have pictures to remind you of times past. I think too i have some, if a train rolled in and stopped near me, while it was there i would grab a quick shot and then go back to vid. I am slowly going through a large amount og negs + slides of both mine and my fathers and scanning them up. If i could work out how to do photo montage videos i would consider doing a few of those with captions. Give it time and it might well happen......
Oh, I've never seen them, they look like those tomato ketchup dispensers you used to get in Wimpys
Wow, Stirling is so bright, clean and electric these days, it’s hardly recognisable.
I always loved visiting these places as a kiddo because around me it was nothing but Strathclyde 303s and 314s. Heading out into true ScotRail territory was like going somewhere foreign.
I haven't been to Scotland for years.... i must do another visit and see how things have changed......
Living in the Stirling area I was the opposite - all those electric trains heading out of Glasgow Central seemed strange and exotic.
Trains in Britain are still the best. Keep going
Some great memories from my era. So long ago now that I had forgotten a small number of non push-pull 47s were painted into ScotRail Express livery.
It's scary to think it was 30 years ago i filmed this, it seems like just the other week! Still i have great fun going through my vids to decide what to put up, keep watching i have more gems from Scotland to get up (as well as here, there & everywhere! lol)
You were ahead of your time capturing all this fabulous footage. Thanks for sharing and keep it coming!
I'm pleased you like it. I was influenced by someone's cine film of transport from the late 60s and did a bit of cine in 84 but it was expensive for 5 min of silent film, plus you didn't get many train moves in 5 min, it just eat up the film! In the Summer of 85 i changed jobs on London Transport and my pay increased so i went to Dixons and brought a Panasonic video camera that took E180 tapes-heaven! 3 hours of film with sound and instant playback, no splicing film together and could watch easily on TV. Plus as it took full sized tapes there was no copying involved so the quality was kept, not as good as DVD cameras now but it was supurb in the 80s & 90s. I have a lot more film to get up, and i still video! Enjoy
That freight train at 1.30 reminds me of the train that used to go up to Mallaig through Helensburgh
when perth was a hot spot for any loco turning up, now a dead spot, liked.
A late reply i know (was away this time last year as well) but at least you will have Scotrail HST's whizzing about, at least it's something decent!
Nice film. Shows how comfortable train travel was then. Now it is slowly becoming an ordeal to travel by train, as well as an expense too. I see that sealed HSTs with ironing board seats are next to add to the train travel ordeal. Note The Clansman at 15.53
Betteran HST in any configuration than an IEP developed by those well known railway "experts" in the civil service! (who are not very civil nor give much service!!!)
heavens, now HSTs are an ordeal as well are they?
I will always have the memory of using up my last slots on the PT before I got too old to have it turning 18, going up to Perth on the Clansman to stay with my aunty in Alyth then back to Perth by bus spotting the now gone Forfar line as it nudged itself in and out of view of the bus, then to Perth itself and waiting for the Inverness train, then picking up the Aberdeen train and finally the HST back to Kings X and a quick tube journey saw me back on SR metals at Charing X and back home to Grove Park using the last two free slots I had left on the journey back and then it was me birthday and bye bye the awesome PT /sadface I always remember Perth as my favourite city, my family hail from Edinburgh but Perth just felt right and Perth station in the 70's still had that lingering smell of steam about the place mixed in with a bit of diesel and a mad bloke playing the bagpipes lol It drove me mad as I never saw who was skirling away there, suspecting a tape loop but was told it was an actual bloke but I dunno I remain suspicious... If I had more free slots I prob would have done Oban and Mallaig in that train marathon but both were tricky due to lack of decent service schedules.
I am curious, what was a "PT slot" please? Your comments bring back great memories of my early days roaming the rails. Travelling only from Glasgow myself, Perth was still a favoured destination in the early 80's. Plenty of different loco types (Class 25, 26 on the Dundee semi-fasts, even a Class 40 on an Inverness - Glasgow, via Aberdeen) and a plethora of 1st generation dmus. My first determined foray was 1981 and the Freedom of Scotland for 14days for princely sum of £48 - if I remember correctly. Great times and proper trains
Thanks for your great memories.....I have a Priv which made it cheap to get around and do my filming!.....Happy days.....
A PT slot was a British Rail Staff Travel Card. A memeber of his family must have worked on BR, and as the Priv card he had expired at 18, he would have had a child one. There were 10 boxes on it and you put your date of travel in one and you had 48 hours free travel anywhere in the UK. It also got you quarter fares as well. I used the boxes for long trips, multi day trips and paid reduced fare for short trips out.....Railway staff still get a form of Priv travel today, ex BR staff have full facilites including European travel but post 97 staff bet quarter fare plus whatever their owning company gave them.....
Grain wagons at 2.45. I've seen them in the states but didnt know we had them in the uk. I wonder if grain is still rail freighted in the uk? I have wheat growing in my garden- as a weed from neighbouring fields.
Handy for when cultural marxists start this impending civil war! (Half joking. At least we have these videos for when we are in our preper Anderson bunkers . Your videos are really good.)
Thanks for your kind comments....and i know what you mean re impending war! I don't think we have trains of grain any more in the UK, it all goes by road now sadly.....
47636 allways a fave brush of mine
After Scotrail it ended up at Old Oak Common and worked out of Padd on the loco-hauled to Oxford, Banbury & Newbury. I have film of it there and had it for haulage as well.
That's interesting (watching these again you always notice something else): the third coach behind 47570 @ 6:24 is half first and half second class, must have been an FK that was half declassified. Never knew there was such a thing. Interesting to see non-push pull 47640 on the DBSO set .
Yes, looking back at my vids now it's amazing what you see (and what the eagle-eyed viewers notice, keep it up, it's great!), Scotland had some real quirky stuff back in the day. I'm assuming the DBSO set with 640 is because they had now 47/7 available or maybe no normal rake of coaches available. Either way they still ran the booked train! I have lots more heritage BR vids to get up so you'll be kept busy 'spotting' all over again! ...enjoy, lol.....
interesting seeing the mk3 sleeper at the back of the push-pull set.
47570 a reminder there of those silly tiny numbers that InterCity played with around that time.
It didn't help with trying to catch the numbers of what i was videoing that's for sure!
Is it me or were mk2s the best coaching stock ever? Loved them. Proper trains.
I liked mark II's but a mark I was way more comfy.....
They are timeless classics.
There's every chance I could be in one of these as I was based at Edinburgh Waverely at the time and was up this way frequently
If you still have your diaries, the date of filming was 14 June 1989, late morning time.....
First time seeing position of platform 1 which is no longer there. Platforms now start at 2.
I didn't realise they had taken a platform out of use although it doesn't surprise me.....
Stirling hasn't changed that much. The bridges have been replaced and the Rainbow Slides swimming pool isn't there anymore. This is before my time however. Those engines must have shook you to bits from the platforms.
Plenty of noise when they thrashed out of the platform but not much in the way shaking you about!
My god, was you employed at the time! Don’t believe how much you’re traveled over the uk in that era, it’s all history so much should be archived what you have,🤓
I have worked on the railways in the past and had/have Priv's, so that helps! And even with a working life full of shift work i got around well. The LFB films were done because a mate was into AEC vehicles of all sorts (he drove Routemasters on the 38s at the time) and got me out with him to film it all! wasn't so keen then but glad i've done it now, hellfire stuff!
Wonder why there was a sleeper mk3 on one of push pull sets?
There was a late night Glasgow Queen Street - Aberdeen push-pull set which had a sleeper attached. The sleeper car went down empty the next day. I have no idea of the timings of the sleeper attached service or how well used it was. I found this out from the Rail Express special on train formations - the current issue (if anymore are to be produced) has a section on the Scotrail passenger train formations
was the 08 the station Pilot, or was it just being in transit and waiting there?
I believe there was some sort of occasional shunt job on the Alloa line that wass freight only at this time (or rather there was just a section of it until it was re-instated).
It was probably for the Motorail, there was a service to Stirling that ran, I find, until 1989
Notice the kit-bash train at the start of the video.
You mmean the hybrid DMU made up of a 107 power car and middle trailer and a 101 power car at the other end?
@@Tom-Lahaye Yep, that's the chap.
What were small tanks in front of grainflow wagons?
I have no idea! Whatever they carried it certainly didn't last beyond the end of the Speedlink network in 1991. They look too small to be oil tankers, maybe some sort of foodstuffs?
Soi Buakhao could they be whiskey or spirit tankers ?
They could be spirit tankers, but they could be molasses tanks as well, altough there is no vissible United Molasses logo on the tanks.
There used to be a train running from Stirling to Cambus Junction on the Stirling-Alloa line, where the grainflow wagons would be detached for the malters and the molasses wagons would run on the branch to Menstrie.
they appear to be molasses tanks going by the direction of the freight
What service would the class 150 be on?
Edinburgh to Dunblane probably......
Made me more determined to get & find get my videos onto something before there useless and like share that time.
107 101 hybrid DMUs. And a shove duff with a sleeper?.
I think the sleeper coach may have been a stock move tagged on to a passenger working. Lots of DMU classes could be coupled together, as they were being run down better coaches were kept and units reformed.
Now, this brings back memories! An empty sleeper car returned from Aberdeen on the service which arrived in Glasgow at around 1:30pm each day (Monday-Saturday).
I often wondered how the single carriage made it up in the other direction all the same, but according to a post from a rail forum dated 2012, this car was separated from the northbound Inverness sleeper at Perth each night, and was then attached to an early morning Aberdeen service departing from there.
This makes sense, as I seem to recall seeing a sleeper icon indicating the possibility of overnight Glasgow to Aberdeen travel in the timetables back then, but never saw such a train myself. Now I know why!
If you look at the consist in the video, the loco will arrive at the tunnel end of Glasgow Queen Street (with the sleeper car closest to the tunnel). I seem to recall seeing the car being taken up the Cowlairs incline soon after arrival in Glasgow on many an occasion - often by a class 26. I believe the car would then be serviced, before being marshalled into the formation of that night's Inverness sleeper, thus completing the cycle.
It's a long way for a shortcut as they say!
As for the dmu hybrids...these were quite common up here in the late 1980s. There was a major fire at Ayr TMD in early 1984, and a major shortage of rolling stock was one result of this. It was possible to see three different classes of dmu in a single unit, and two different liveries was not unusual.
Did those trains have working toilets?
Yes! I can't recall any not working although there may have been the odd one here & there.....