“There Be Dragons” Alright, explanation time. My recent delays on this page were motivated by a number of factors. Firstly, and most prominently was my academic life. With the semester winding down, my class schedule was so excruciatingly hectic, that I just couldn't devote the time need to produce videos at my desired rate. Secondly, I was halted by a few events in my personal life. Some of them were good, life my Mother getting married while others were……….less so. Finally, was the technicals surrounding this video itself. You see I had originally intended for there to be another match BEFORE this one, Vodo Siosk-Bass VS Darth Zannah but alas, I lost all interest in it and scraped it (Don't worry, I gave it to one of my friends). This forced me to start from scratch with this one. Also, the script for this video experienced MASSIVE rewrites and revisions, as I just wasn't satisfied with what I kept turning out. You guys deserve the best and I refuse to put out a script I’m not comfortable with, even if my release gets delayed. Sufficed to say, things have been rough. Thankfully, most of that stuff is over now and I can get back to a semi-regular routine. This video probably wasn't worth the wait, but I hope you enjoy none the less and I thank you all for your patience.
The wait is worth it. Gotta take a break for real life stuff sometimes and hey you put out an hour and a half match a while back so that was enough to hold us over. Nice to have ya back though. It's a great early Christmas present
EvanNova95 hi Evan glad you are still uploading, of course family and stuff comes first so you do what you need to do. I just wanted to say I've been subbed for around 3 years now and I'm so glad at how much your channel and support has grown. You deserve way more than you have right now, congrats my friend keep up the great work.
EvanNova95 Damn, that Vodo Siosk-Baas vs Darth Zannah match up sounded really interesting. Oh well, it's nice to see you back and congratulations on your Mother's new marriage. Merry Christmas and keep up the good work!
In the case of Bultar Swan "obviously not a committed force-wielder", something that may have escaped your attention (and I mean this as constructive criticism, not judgement or definitive rebuttal) was that in the limited content we have on the Bultar Swan character, her very first appearance had her ignite her saber and react to an assailant 90 degrees to her left outside of the field of her previous field of vision and execute a ranged force blast to neutralize it. Of all the jedi in the Geonosis arena, she was one of only a few who we observed using force attacks against her opponents. I know you and Reti4 are trying to dissect a relatively unknown character. And I love it.
I disagree with you on Jaden`s lightsaber training. Jaden was trained by Kyle Katarn, who favored Shii-Choo (or three rings of defense), Ataru and Djem So. Soresu isn`t a big part of Kyle`s method, so I would think Jaden would have the same styles as Kyle Katarn. Considering that he had already archived Proficiency in those three styles by the end of Jedi Academy, I think Jaden did go on to study Niman. His style is described as a mixed martial arts style, and Niman would also fit his role as an agent as he would have the tools to fit the needs. Considering his intigration of force abilities, he already did that in his early career but his tendency towards that tactic would suggest a training in Niman even further. My last point for a training in Niman would be his skill in Jar`Kai and his skill in wielding a blaster alongside his lightsaber, this tactic being more in tune with Niman Jar`Kai than with Ataru Jar`Kai. I think there is actually a case to be made that Jaden is/was attempting to step into his Masters footsteps and started training in all Forms of lightsaber combat, though I would say that he wasn`t a fully fledged Battlemaster during Riptide and still had a couple of years to go (or he even dropped the attempt). Jaden also had a good 20+ years of experience as a field agent and had faced a lot more lightsaber wielding opponents in that role, making him arguably more experienced as a duelist (Bultar Swan had the advantage of sparring experience in the Jedi Order, however sparring experience vs. fight to the death experience is very different). I would give Jaden Korr the edge in terms of martial arts training, Bultar Swan`s Hand to Hand combat is impressive, but she has never faced a Master duelist in actual one on one combat and I think she might experience difficulties employing her hand to hand combat against an enemy of Jaden`s caliber. Ultimately, my argument here has no impact on your Verdict, I just wanted to contribute this thought process to you for future analysis of the character of Jaden Korr. Maybe I am way off, but my reading of the Books and other Material on Jaden Korr made me think this.
I really like the more free-flowing feel to the video. Very reminiscent of Jensaarai's videos, no need to separate every category so much, as they all feed into the question of combative effectiveness. Great vid
I think Fenn Rau Vs. Gar Saxon would be interesting. It may sound weird, but it would be a good way to pit two Star Wars Rebels characters against each other, they both have multiple battles to analyze from, and they were already rivals that never got to actually fight each other 1v1. it could also help bring to light some more canon Mandalorian history.
love the videos! they're always of top quality and I often completely agree with your analysis. I'd love to see you do a vs with (tpm)darth maul vs (aotc)kenobi and skywalker! I think that'd be quite fun. keep up the great work!
It's been a long time since I've seen a video from you. This was unexpected as these are characters that are pretty obscure. I recognize Bultar Swan's pictures from the Star Wars Adventures RPG among those that you've chosen.
some battles id love to see but have never been done to best of my knowledge. I've included non force wielders too lord vitiate vs grand master yoda mandalore the ultimate vs set harth exar kun vs galen marek love the channel and may the force be with you
Nice going, my only critique is the videos tend to drag on a bit. Maybe you could add time stamps for each section (Skip to Physical Abilities, Force Powers, Verdict etc), shouldn't be too hard to do.
EvanNova95 Great matchup. The moment I saw the title card and Reti4's video of Bultar Swan, I already knew who the victor would be, at least in regards to their Force powers.
Well....Swan was one of the few Jedi who stood toe to toe with Vader and she was trained by Plo Koon arguably one of the 5 best swordsman of the Jedi. (I haven't watched yet either) Also, Vader was probably still getting used to his new suit at this time. I mean, that's a lot of new cybernetics that would probably take normal people months to get used to if not years. Hard to say. Colour me intrigued.
Poor Bultar her death was so bad. So much build up and than she gets run through by godamn Koffi Arana. She can join the bad death group along with Colemen Trebor, and Ulec Cel'droma.
EvanNova95 Hehehe I swear saying Colemen Trebor is like saying "bettlejuice" for you. Anyway thanks for the video I know the school work is brutal. Great video and good to see the underused charactors. And we haven't seen Korr in a decent versus match yet. I think the last one he was in was your Carrak and Korr video a couple years ago.....
I personally liked Ulic's death. It was out of the blue, but I found it to be strangely satisfying. Although, it didn't make sense how he became a force ghost, but whatever. And yes. I really wish Coleman Trebor was like some type of major meme or something.
I think Kyle Katarn vs. Revan would make a great fight as both of them have experience using either side of the force and have always been a little more on the neutral side than aligned to light or dark.
So, Bultar Swan is basically Aayla Secura mixed with Darth Maul, with Ataru and Djem So in place of Niman and Juyo. Such a shame she never was featured in TCW, definetely was a character who deserved more exposure.
I'd say it's for the best because TCW would have contradicted the very little material that exists by turning her into some psychopath or something I'm referring to what they did to Barris' fall and how she disappeared in the obscurity. But Bultar Swan's skill configuration makes her ready for anything soresu for dedicated defence, Ataru for a dedicated offence, djem so for dueling and can fend off enemies without a lightsaber she's ready for just about anything.
Please make a video with Valkorion. I know youve made one about him before, but Id say that he Is SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than he was back then. Or one about his children Arcann or Vaylin.
Isn't Jaden also a practicioner of the Shien varient of Form Five lightsaber combat? In the video game Jedi Academy, Jaden did deflect blaster bolts back at shooters particularly higher levels in the game. Also not to mention Korr was a student of one of the greatest Form Five masters and battle master: Kyle Katarn. Nonetheless, this vid is now one of my favorite lightsaber analysis because it shows how two duelists may have the same fighting styles but reflects different combat mentalities. Can't wait to watch more of your future vids!
+Evannova95 Glad to see your return and this was once again, a very solid quality matchup. Very interesting choice of combatants and I was seriously impressed by Jaden Korr's force abilities. In you opinion, where would you rank Jaden in terms of force power? Based on your video, I want to say that hes on par with tier 3-4 levels but I don't know if I'm highballing or lowballing him. Also, where does dark side entities rank in terms of force power? I never did calcs for them because I thought they were not only tricky to get a good number, but also because I think they are > than ROTS Sidious. At least those are my thoughts. Happy holidays.
As is, Jaden Korr's Force Power is easily High Tier 3 if not Tier 2. However, his potential is easily that of a Tier 1. Give him a few more years of experience and development in the higher mysteries and he'll be set. Force Entities are incredibly difficult to gauge because their power fluctuates depending on who they are. For example, we have the Acolyte Spirits who can do little more than haunt ancient tombs and then we have Raktan Force Entities who are so staggeringly powerful, they literally radiate Force Energy.
EvanNova95 Damn. I was lowballing him then. And you are right about gauging force entities. Not only do diff spirits have ridiculous power diffs, the entities themselves can be inconsistent causing debate over what feats are outliers. Thank you so much for your reply.
Hey EvanNova95 I'm a huge fan have been for years! I love your work and I've loved to see you grown as a Star Wars analyst personal my 2 favorite character in any form of Star Wars are Darth Krayt and Kyle Katarn but I was wondering after all this time why haven't you done a match featuring REVAN i figure he's a highly requested character plus there is a lot of info on him so what's holding you back from him????????
I have a versus series idea that would be difficult due to lack of info on both characters, but a very interesting fight, I would love to see Sha Koon vs Bultar Swan. I know this probably won't make it through but I can keep my hopes up.
Kyle Katarn vs Darth Maul (incarnation doesn't really matter for me) It was good to see extensive and acurate breakdown of Jaden's capabilities. Rarely used character who deserves more attention from you guys. Hope to see him being used again soon.
Ahsoka at the time of Rebels would probably win, she contended with Vader and trashed inquisitors with high level techniques, like disabling their lightsabers.
How does the Tier System work? In the Forcecast Council I hear High Level Tier One and Low Level Tier One and I have trouble understanding it sometimes. Also, where would Arcann, Vaylin, and Senya be in the Tier System?
I for the most part agree with the verdict favoring Jaden Korr. But I raise my eyebrow when it comes to his breakdown of his Force Lightning. In Riptide Chapter 2 page 8-9, I quote, "He knew he'd never again see Force lightning discharge involuntarily from his fingertips. Not because Force lightning was associated with the dark side-for Jaden, the Force was a tool, neither light nor dark-but because its uncontrolled discharge represented a lack of understanding, of the Force, of himself. And he understood both now." Aside from that righteous Jedi Academy game,, Jaden has hardly used Force lightning anywhere else but Crosscurrent. He's merely made Cameo appearances in both Fury and Vortex where he hasn't truly done anything noteworthy as the Skywalker's/Solo's are the focus of those stories. And even in Riptide I find it debatable as to weather or not he used Lightning again. Addressing Chapter 11 page 222, the passage reads, "Jaden fell into the Force as they approached. He unleashed a blast of power that struck the leading corpses and they exploded in a shower of bone and dried flesh. Marr did the same, managing to knock several to the ground." So with that, is Marr a capable user of Force Lightning, if he was doing the same? I see this verse describing a TK feat rather than and Energy Based one. These opponents they struck were already dead and withered, of course they would explode if struck with enough Telekinetic force. I have little doubt that Kyle Katarn taught Jaden Force Lightning but a for him being a quote "Master" of force lightning, I don't see it. I see him as perhaps capable with high potential. And even so Lightsaber's do negate Force Lightning should the opponent catch those bolts. So I don't see Jaden automatically winning this duel off of lightning alone but rather by breaking her force wall with his substantial TK abilities.
Hello Evan, haven't heard from you in a while. I cannot comment ob the video as I haven't watched it yet but I'm pretty sure I'm going to like it. Hope you're ok. Thanks for the video, Dante.
Oh boy. Going into this, I greatly underestimated Jaden Korr due to only playing the video game. I was thinking Bultar's superior martial arts skills would give her the win. But after your breakdown of Korr, omg was I wrong. Jaden is a fucking powerhouse easily on par with tier 4-3 ish combatants. Btw, how bad was that fight with Alpha? Glad to see this video, happy holidays, and I look forward to your next work. Kyle vs Vader or Kun vs Krayt? Thoughts? It took me a while to get a solid verdict for these 2.
To be fair, he makes Korr sound like Marek or something. While he has the power, he uses it not too often and has a clear reluctance to use lightning. Dosen't mean he can't just means his go to is not force abilities. He often left out the part where he used force cleanse ability, but i suppose that's useless. Anyway, the fight with Alpha was extremely brutal! Like, not only was Jaden beaten to an inch of his life, but the environment they fought was something out of a horror movie! The books were good. I recommend them.
Love the video Evan. I have some questions to ask: Which Tier does Butar Swan and Jaden Korr ranked? At 9:28, How is this a horrifying injury? It can't worse than Obi-Wan's sith torture mask and maggots feasting in his body or Anakin's full body 3rd degree burn after the duel in Mustafar. Will you feature Anakin Skywalker in Season 7? If so, will you pit him against Plo Koon, Ulic-Qel Droma or Cade Skywalker?
1) Bultar Swan and Jaden Korr are both easily High Tier 3's. Both have consistent martial arts techniques, acute tactical awareness and a powerful connection to the Force. The reason I don't see them breaching that Tier 2 and Tier 1 gap, comes down to a few factors. While Bultar Swan's dedication to hand-to-hand combat makes her unique, it also comes at the expense of a more nuanced Lightsaber technique and makes her a tiny bit over specialized. Furthermore, while her connection to the Force is strong, her skill set isn't very broad and her power and understanding is lacking compared to the true masters. While Jaden's Lightsaber technique is broad and flexible, he hasn't quite elevated his skills to that pinnacle master level. Unlike Obi-Wan Kenobi who is THE greatest Master of Soresu of the Era or Yoda who is THE greatest Ataru master of the era, Jaden is just really, really, really good. (Think of it as having a Silver medal VS a Gold one). Additionally, while he has the raw Force power and combative skills of a Tier 2 or low Tier 1, Jaden's understanding of the higher mysteries is by his own admittance downs quite compare to that of the Council Masters. However, I want to stress that Bultar and Jaden's standings as Tier 3's is due PURLY to logistical factors. All Swan would need to do is tighty up her Lightsaber technique and develop her Force abilities more and all Jaden would have to do is gain a few more years of experience and dive deeper into the more metaphysical side of the Force. Once they do that, they would be Tier 2's easy. 2) Trust me, if you read the book you'll see what I mean. 3) I might feature him. Maaaaaaaaaybe. ;)
EvanNova95 I agree with Jaden Korr being a tier 3, but I'm not sure about Swan. Placing her as a high-end tier 3 combatant places her on par with the likes of Kit Fisto, Ki-Adi Mundi and Sora Bulq, which, I believe, just isn't the case.
Hello it's been a long time since i watch any vids on this channel and i'm just done catching up and i have a question... What happened in Darth Plagueis vs Obi-wan Kenobi? I mean it looks to me it has been decided during the conclusion that Plagueis was to dumb to use his Force abilities. In these videos the pitch is two character drop cold in a fight to death. Given his mentality Plagueis would certainly try to get rid of Kenobi leavgin a minimum of evidence, wich is impossible with a light saber that leave cauterized cut upon the body. So even if he think he can win a light saber duel he won't get dragged in it. He will try to end the duel in a way that looked like an accident and using the Force give far more option than just cutting thing. Anyway it was entertaining to watch nonetheless so keep up the good work ^^
Do a collab with Antoine about having the masters of a light saber form to decide who is the ultimate master of that form. I.e. Revan vs Krayt or Exar Kun vs Katarn
Oh, I nearly forgot: when is the next Council Forcecast that you are going to talk about old canon material? I know that you had a list of topics that fans could vote on. Has that been tallied up and begun?
If you ever think about using Darth Sion in a future video and people say he is unkillable, just think; the opponent could still chop his body parts off. A headless Sion wouldn't be much of a threat.
Darth Marr VS Lord Hoth Despite being jedi and sith they are both very similar characters. Both were inspiring leaders who were motivated by a sacrificial loyalty to their people which ultimately cost them their own lives and both being highly regarded as martial artists/duelists (despite each of them only having maybe one or two solid combative feats to their name)(P.S. also i think hoth's default forms are I and VI, judging by his easy with group engagements[with bodies stacking 'around' him in combat]and his apprentice's description of niman[which I think could have been him simply parroting hoth's words, which would indicate hoth's reverence for the form])
Hoth isn't a viable character to use in the versus series format. He's too lightly featured and we know too little about him to make a fair analysis of his capabilities.
Finally good to see Korr getting his due. He's a phenomenal knight.
Indeed.
“There Be Dragons”
Alright, explanation time. My recent delays on this page were motivated by a number of factors.
Firstly, and most prominently was my academic life. With the semester winding down, my class schedule was so excruciatingly hectic, that I just couldn't devote the time need to produce videos at my desired rate.
Secondly, I was halted by a few events in my personal life. Some of them were good, life my Mother getting married while others were……….less so.
Finally, was the technicals surrounding this video itself. You see I had originally intended for there to be another match BEFORE this one, Vodo Siosk-Bass VS Darth Zannah but alas, I lost all interest in it and scraped it (Don't worry, I gave it to one of my friends). This forced me to start from scratch with this one. Also, the script for this video experienced MASSIVE rewrites and revisions, as I just wasn't satisfied with what I kept turning out. You guys deserve the best and I refuse to put out a script I’m not comfortable with, even if my release gets delayed.
Sufficed to say, things have been rough. Thankfully, most of that stuff is over now and I can get back to a semi-regular routine. This video probably wasn't worth the wait, but I hope you enjoy none the less and I thank you all for your patience.
The wait is worth it. Gotta take a break for real life stuff sometimes and hey you put out an hour and a half match a while back so that was enough to hold us over. Nice to have ya back though. It's a great early Christmas present
EvanNova95 hi Evan glad you are still uploading, of course family and stuff comes first so you do what you need to do. I just wanted to say I've been subbed for around 3 years now and I'm so glad at how much your channel and support has grown. You deserve way more than you have right now, congrats my friend keep up the great work.
EvanNova95 Damn, that Vodo Siosk-Baas vs Darth Zannah match up sounded really interesting. Oh well, it's nice to see you back and congratulations on your Mother's new marriage.
Merry Christmas and keep up the good work!
All good friend, just chill and take things slow if you need to
EvanNova95 the wait was worth it though thank you 💖
In the case of Bultar Swan "obviously not a committed force-wielder", something that may have escaped your attention (and I mean this as constructive criticism, not judgement or definitive rebuttal) was that in the limited content we have on the Bultar Swan character, her very first appearance had her ignite her saber and react to an assailant 90 degrees to her left outside of the field of her previous field of vision and execute a ranged force blast to neutralize it. Of all the jedi in the Geonosis arena, she was one of only a few who we observed using force attacks against her opponents. I know you and Reti4 are trying to dissect a relatively unknown character. And I love it.
Sorry, I got ahead of myself. I should have finished watching...
I disagree with you on Jaden`s lightsaber training. Jaden was trained by Kyle Katarn, who favored Shii-Choo (or three rings of defense), Ataru and Djem So. Soresu isn`t a big part of Kyle`s method, so I would think Jaden would have the same styles as Kyle Katarn. Considering that he had already archived Proficiency in those three styles by the end of Jedi Academy, I think Jaden did go on to study Niman. His style is described as a mixed martial arts style, and Niman would also fit his role as an agent as he would have the tools to fit the needs. Considering his intigration of force abilities, he already did that in his early career but his tendency towards that tactic would suggest a training in Niman even further. My last point for a training in Niman would be his skill in Jar`Kai and his skill in wielding a blaster alongside his lightsaber, this tactic being more in tune with Niman Jar`Kai than with Ataru Jar`Kai. I think there is actually a case to be made that Jaden is/was attempting to step into his Masters footsteps and started training in all Forms of lightsaber combat, though I would say that he wasn`t a fully fledged Battlemaster during Riptide and still had a couple of years to go (or he even dropped the attempt).
Jaden also had a good 20+ years of experience as a field agent and had faced a lot more lightsaber wielding opponents in that role, making him arguably more experienced as a duelist (Bultar Swan had the advantage of sparring experience in the Jedi Order, however sparring experience vs. fight to the death experience is very different). I would give Jaden Korr the edge in terms of martial arts training, Bultar Swan`s Hand to Hand combat is impressive, but she has never faced a Master duelist in actual one on one combat and I think she might experience difficulties employing her hand to hand combat against an enemy of Jaden`s caliber.
Ultimately, my argument here has no impact on your Verdict, I just wanted to contribute this thought process to you for future analysis of the character of Jaden Korr. Maybe I am way off, but my reading of the Books and other Material on Jaden Korr made me think this.
I agree, but shien comes from soresu so...
I think he eventually mastered form VI as well
I'd love to see Kyle Katarn vs Revan; the Jedi Knight vs KOTOR debate was always interesting to me and I think it'd make for a good episode
I just like to take a second and say thank you for all the work you put into your videos and how consistent you are once again thank you
I really like the more free-flowing feel to the video. Very reminiscent of Jensaarai's videos, no need to separate every category so much, as they all feed into the question of combative effectiveness. Great vid
Holy shit a new Evan Versus video! Yuletide treats!!!
amazing
I love these videos so much!!
Great Match Evan & video! Really nice contest with two unique fighters coming in to steal the show!
I think Fenn Rau Vs. Gar Saxon would be interesting. It may sound weird, but it would be a good way to pit two Star Wars Rebels characters against each other, they both have multiple battles to analyze from, and they were already rivals that never got to actually fight each other 1v1. it could also help bring to light some more canon Mandalorian history.
I thank you for your hard work on your videos.
Thank You.
Wow, Good to see your videos again i was missing them. Thanks for the video bro.
Welcome back video is impressive as usual.
love the videos! they're always of top quality and I often completely agree with your analysis. I'd love to see you do a vs with (tpm)darth maul vs (aotc)kenobi and skywalker! I think that'd be quite fun. keep up the great work!
a new video? thank you for the early Christmas gift
Funny enough, I was thinking about these two about a day or two before you uploaded this!
Very nice; I hope to see more frequent uploads :)
It's been a long time since I've seen a video from you. This was unexpected as these are characters that are pretty obscure. I recognize Bultar Swan's pictures from the Star Wars Adventures RPG among those that you've chosen.
Damn, it's been awhile since you last updated, Evan. At least it's nice to know that you're still alive.
Merry Christmas and keep up the good work!
some battles id love to see but have never been done to best of my knowledge. I've included non force wielders too
lord vitiate vs grand master yoda
mandalore the ultimate vs set harth
exar kun vs galen marek
love the channel and may the force be with you
I'm pretty sure Jensarri did one with Starkiller vs Exar Kun.
thank you so much. seriously. thanks for this
Your welcome.
Nice going, my only critique is the videos tend to drag on a bit. Maybe you could add time stamps for each section (Skip to Physical Abilities, Force Powers, Verdict etc), shouldn't be too hard to do.
EvanNova95 Great matchup. The moment I saw the title card and Reti4's video of Bultar Swan, I already knew who the victor would be, at least in regards to their Force powers.
YES FINALLY!! When I saw this video on my feed my face blew up!! Welcome back Evan!
Great match up Evan, well done! Ulic Qel Droma vs Galen Marek/Starkiller would be cool!
Not many people put as much effort and passion into videos as you
I love your General grievous video
Damn! bought time been waitin forever for a new vs vid
I haven't watched the video. All I'm saying is Jaden better win lol
Master Of Disguise Heh. That's what I was thinking.
Well....Swan was one of the few Jedi who stood toe to toe with Vader and she was trained by Plo Koon arguably one of the 5 best swordsman of the Jedi. (I haven't watched yet either) Also, Vader was probably still getting used to his new suit at this time. I mean, that's a lot of new cybernetics that would probably take normal people months to get used to if not years. Hard to say. Colour me intrigued.
It's been a while. Cool vid
Amazing video!!!
Awesome video plz do Jaina Solo Fel VS Darth Vader
Poor Bultar her death was so bad. So much build up and than she gets run through by godamn Koffi Arana. She can join the bad death group along with Colemen Trebor, and Ulec Cel'droma.
Ditto.
EvanNova95
Hehehe I swear saying Colemen Trebor is like saying "bettlejuice" for you. Anyway thanks for the video I know the school work is brutal. Great video and good to see the underused charactors. And we haven't seen Korr in a decent versus match yet. I think the last one he was in was your Carrak and Korr video a couple years ago.....
I personally liked Ulic's death. It was out of the blue, but I found it to be strangely satisfying. Although, it didn't make sense how he became a force ghost, but whatever.
And yes. I really wish Coleman Trebor was like some type of major meme or something.
Oppo Rancisis
Yeah. I just never liked Ulec's death it seemed to out of place for his charactor.
Darth Cole
That face....Whhhyyy?
great video man hope u guys enjoy rogue one
glad you back
Great video
Man, I need to start reading some legends books!
I think Kyle Katarn vs. Revan would make a great fight as both of them have experience using either side of the force and have always been a little more on the neutral side than aligned to light or dark.
Awesome video as usual. How about Kyle Katarn vs Darth Vader?
Woah, Woah, Woah, Woah. Where did this come from? Nice work, Evan. You always manage to surprise me.
And Evan, I have a Vs. Series idea for you: Ahsoka Tano (Rebels) vs. Satele Shan
I feel like Kyle Katarn was more consistent, due to Jaden's constant doubts, but on a good day Jaden is superior to his master.
Kyle is the Chuck Norris of star Wars.
If anyone wants to know the music at the beginning of 16:22. It's called "Something dark is coming" in the soundtrack of Battlestar Galactica show.
So, Bultar Swan is basically Aayla Secura mixed with Darth Maul, with Ataru and Djem So in place of Niman and Juyo. Such a shame she never was featured in TCW, definetely was a character who deserved more exposure.
I'd say it's for the best because TCW would have contradicted the very little material that exists by turning her into some psychopath or something I'm referring to what they did to Barris' fall and how she disappeared in the obscurity.
But Bultar Swan's skill configuration makes her ready for anything soresu for dedicated defence, Ataru for a dedicated offence, djem so for dueling and can fend off enemies without a lightsaber she's ready for just about anything.
@Evannova95
good to see ur back man u've been very missed hope u had a nice Christmas and a happy new year
since I'm early I gotta versus series idea.. I think you're going to like this Kyle katarn vs kao cen darach. thank me later lol
Yes! Make this happen!
Oh my God, oh my God. This would be the best vs video ever.
Master Of Disguise If this happens I will cry tears of joy 😢😢
Master Of Disguise Yes😢😢😢
Master Of Disguise Kyle Katarn.
welcome back Evan
welcome back dude. Are you guys gonna do the council forcast for the new movie.
Please make a video with Valkorion. I know youve made one about him before, but Id say that he Is SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful than he was back then. Or one about his children Arcann or Vaylin.
Darth Krayt ( war) vs Darth Sidious ( dark empire) I know you mentioned this in a past video, but I still think it’s a fun idea.
Isn't Jaden also a practicioner of the Shien varient of Form Five lightsaber combat? In the video game Jedi Academy, Jaden did deflect blaster bolts back at shooters particularly higher levels in the game. Also not to mention Korr was a student of one of the greatest Form Five masters and battle master: Kyle Katarn.
Nonetheless, this vid is now one of my favorite lightsaber analysis because it shows how two duelists may have the same fighting styles but reflects different combat mentalities. Can't wait to watch more of your future vids!
Thanks for doing a versus on no names
lol, neither of them are no names. It's just that you know nothing
The feat of affecting force entities with his powers reminds me of Darth Nox. Gotta go play SWTOR now.
Awesome matchup cold you do kanan jarrus from rebels vs zane carrik
Xavier Stanley Would love to see that.
Jesus I haven't seen your videos in like 6 years
+Evannova95 Glad to see your return and this was once again, a very solid quality matchup. Very interesting choice of combatants and I was seriously impressed by Jaden Korr's force abilities. In you opinion, where would you rank Jaden in terms of force power? Based on your video, I want to say that hes on par with tier 3-4 levels but I don't know if I'm highballing or lowballing him. Also, where does dark side entities rank in terms of force power? I never did calcs for them because I thought they were not only tricky to get a good number, but also because I think they are > than ROTS Sidious. At least those are my thoughts. Happy holidays.
As is, Jaden Korr's Force Power is easily High Tier 3 if not Tier 2. However, his potential is easily that of a Tier 1. Give him a few more years of experience and development in the higher mysteries and he'll be set.
Force Entities are incredibly difficult to gauge because their power fluctuates depending on who they are.
For example, we have the Acolyte Spirits who can do little more than haunt ancient tombs and then we have Raktan Force Entities who are so staggeringly powerful, they literally radiate Force Energy.
EvanNova95 Damn. I was lowballing him then.
And you are right about gauging force entities. Not only do diff spirits have ridiculous power diffs, the entities themselves can be inconsistent causing debate over what feats are outliers. Thank you so much for your reply.
Hey EvanNova95 I'm a huge fan have been for years! I love your work and I've loved to see you grown as a Star Wars analyst personal my 2 favorite character in any form of Star Wars are Darth Krayt and Kyle Katarn but I was wondering after all this time why haven't you done a match featuring REVAN i figure he's a highly requested character plus there is a lot of info on him so what's holding you back from him????????
no need for explanation bro. Just keep up the awesome work :)
We need more Bultar Swan material.
Anya Curro vs Darth Traya. please Evan, I'd love to see that one taken on.
Vader was ''disarmed''. Yep hahaha he was. LITERALLY!
I have a versus series idea that would be difficult due to lack of info on both characters, but a very interesting fight, I would love to see Sha Koon vs Bultar Swan. I know this probably won't make it through but I can keep my hopes up.
That is a good idea! I want to see Sha in these.
That is a good suggestion.
I found the easter egg ;) looking forward to it!
ever think it was interesting how both Kyle and Jaden used a yellow bladed lightsaber for a time?
can yoy do Jaden Korr vs. Starkiller/Galen Marek? would be interesting to see how 2 game main chars fare against each others
#EvanNova95
could you do Obi Wan Kenobi vs Satele Shan?
Kyle Katarn vs Darth Maul (incarnation doesn't really matter for me)
It was good to see extensive and acurate breakdown of Jaden's capabilities. Rarely used character who deserves more attention from you guys. Hope to see him being used again soon.
Katarn would take out Maul, he's pretty OP. Maul has held his own against Sidious but Kyle's feats suggest that he could too.
@@Randoman590 Kyle could solo Maul and Opress high diff.
Hey is there any chance of getting an ahsoka tano vs barriss offee video?
Evan, I strongly believe that Ahsoka Tano (during Rebels) vs Qui Gon Jinn would be an excellent match-up.
I'd say Qui-Gon > Ahsoka. His custom use of Ataru would do quite well against Ahsoka.
But Ahsoka's superior usage of force abilities in combat would even the playing field :D
Ahsoka at the time of Rebels would probably win, she contended with Vader and trashed inquisitors with high level techniques, like disabling their lightsabers.
@@sebas8225 lol, those inquisitors weren't high level. They were low level dark side adepts.
Requesting for Darth Malgus VS Darth Malak. :)
Will you do mace windu vs darth revan. Those were my nephew's favorite Characters before he died.
Hanna Ding - and her brother Bill, the evil architect! ;o)
How does the Tier System work? In the Forcecast Council I hear High Level Tier One and Low Level Tier One and I have trouble understanding it sometimes. Also, where would Arcann, Vaylin, and Senya be in the Tier System?
Can you do Darth Sidious vs Tulak Hord?
Hi Evan, I've got two versus video suggestions
Quinlan Vos vs Ven Zallow
Or
Mace Windu vs Darth Caedus
I for the most part agree with the verdict favoring Jaden Korr. But I raise my eyebrow when it comes to his breakdown of his Force Lightning.
In Riptide Chapter 2 page 8-9, I quote, "He knew he'd never again see Force lightning discharge involuntarily from his fingertips. Not because Force lightning was associated with the dark side-for Jaden, the Force was a tool, neither light nor dark-but because its uncontrolled discharge represented a lack of understanding, of the Force, of himself. And he understood both now."
Aside from that righteous Jedi Academy game,, Jaden has hardly used Force lightning anywhere else but Crosscurrent. He's merely made Cameo appearances in both Fury and Vortex where he hasn't truly done anything noteworthy as the Skywalker's/Solo's are the focus of those stories. And even in Riptide I find it debatable as to weather or not he used Lightning again.
Addressing Chapter 11 page 222, the passage reads, "Jaden fell into the Force as they approached. He unleashed a blast of power that struck the leading corpses and they exploded in a shower of bone and dried flesh. Marr did the same, managing to knock several to the ground."
So with that, is Marr a capable user of Force Lightning, if he was doing the same? I see this verse describing a TK feat rather than and Energy Based one. These opponents they struck were already dead and withered, of course they would explode if struck with enough Telekinetic force.
I have little doubt that Kyle Katarn taught Jaden Force Lightning but a for him being a quote "Master" of force lightning, I don't see it. I see him as perhaps capable with high potential.
And even so Lightsaber's do negate Force Lightning should the opponent catch those bolts. So I don't see Jaden automatically winning this duel off of lightning alone but rather by breaking her force wall with his substantial TK abilities.
Hello Evan, haven't heard from you in a while. I cannot comment ob the video as I haven't watched it yet but I'm pretty sure I'm going to like it. Hope you're ok. Thanks for the video, Dante.
Great video as always, Evan. Have you ever considered doing an Obi-wan vs Kyle Katarn match up?
I have. Although I won't be doing that match-up this Season, both characters will be making appearances.
Looking forward to it! Keep it up!
you should do bastilla shan vs satele shan
Oh boy. Going into this, I greatly underestimated Jaden Korr due to only playing the video game. I was thinking Bultar's superior martial arts skills would give her the win. But after your breakdown of Korr, omg was I wrong. Jaden is a fucking powerhouse easily on par with tier 4-3 ish combatants. Btw, how bad was that fight with Alpha? Glad to see this video, happy holidays, and I look forward to your next work. Kyle vs Vader or Kun vs Krayt? Thoughts? It took me a while to get a solid verdict for these 2.
Didn't read any of Jaden's books, so it was good to finally get to know his capabilities.
To be fair, he makes Korr sound like Marek or something. While he has the power, he uses it not too often and has a clear reluctance to use lightning. Dosen't mean he can't just means his go to is not force abilities. He often left out the part where he used force cleanse ability, but i suppose that's useless.
Anyway, the fight with Alpha was extremely brutal! Like, not only was Jaden beaten to an inch of his life, but the environment they fought was something out of a horror movie! The books were good. I recommend them.
+Oppo Rancisis I must get to reading those books then. I must read the Alpha fight (as a lover of Dark Fantasy and horror)!
Can you do Darth Bane V.S. Darth Caedus, the first Sith master of The Rule of Two and the final master
Can you please do a video of Luke vs anikan skywalker. I think since anikan is not injured that the match would be fair
Love the video Evan.
I have some questions to ask:
Which Tier does Butar Swan and Jaden Korr ranked?
At 9:28, How is this a horrifying injury? It can't worse than Obi-Wan's sith torture mask and maggots feasting in his body or Anakin's full body 3rd degree burn after the duel in Mustafar.
Will you feature Anakin Skywalker in Season 7? If so, will you pit him against Plo Koon, Ulic-Qel Droma or Cade Skywalker?
1) Bultar Swan and Jaden Korr are both easily High Tier 3's. Both have consistent martial arts techniques, acute tactical awareness and a powerful connection to the Force.
The reason I don't see them breaching that Tier 2 and Tier 1 gap, comes down to a few factors.
While Bultar Swan's dedication to hand-to-hand combat makes her unique, it also comes at the expense of a more nuanced Lightsaber technique and makes her a tiny bit over specialized. Furthermore, while her connection to the Force is strong, her skill set isn't very broad and her power and understanding is lacking compared to the true masters.
While Jaden's Lightsaber technique is broad and flexible, he hasn't quite elevated his skills to that pinnacle master level. Unlike Obi-Wan Kenobi who is THE greatest Master of Soresu of the Era or Yoda who is THE greatest Ataru master of the era, Jaden is just really, really, really good. (Think of it as having a Silver medal VS a Gold one). Additionally, while he has the raw Force power and combative skills of a Tier 2 or low Tier 1, Jaden's understanding of the higher mysteries is by his own admittance downs quite compare to that of the Council Masters.
However, I want to stress that Bultar and Jaden's standings as Tier 3's is due PURLY to logistical factors. All Swan would need to do is tighty up her Lightsaber technique and develop her Force abilities more and all Jaden would have to do is gain a few more years of experience and dive deeper into the more metaphysical side of the Force. Once they do that, they would be Tier 2's easy.
2) Trust me, if you read the book you'll see what I mean.
3) I might feature him. Maaaaaaaaaybe. ;)
EvanNova95 I agree with Jaden Korr being a tier 3, but I'm not sure about Swan. Placing her as a high-end tier 3 combatant places her on par with the likes of Kit Fisto, Ki-Adi Mundi and Sora Bulq, which, I believe, just isn't the case.
Hello it's been a long time since i watch any vids on this channel and i'm just done catching up and i have a question... What happened in Darth Plagueis vs Obi-wan Kenobi? I mean it looks to me it has been decided during the conclusion that Plagueis was to dumb to use his Force abilities. In these videos the pitch is two character drop cold in a fight to death. Given his mentality Plagueis would certainly try to get rid of Kenobi leavgin a minimum of evidence, wich is impossible with a light saber that leave cauterized cut upon the body. So even if he think he can win a light saber duel he won't get dragged in it. He will try to end the duel in a way that looked like an accident and using the Force give far more option than just cutting thing. Anyway it was entertaining to watch nonetheless so keep up the good work ^^
Do a collab with Antoine about having the masters of a light saber form to decide who is the ultimate master of that form. I.e. Revan vs Krayt or Exar Kun vs Katarn
Next can you do Aayla secure vs Bultar swan or ven zallow
lol i notice assassin creed music nice
Will you be doing some sort of review for Rouge One?
Oh, I nearly forgot: when is the next Council Forcecast that you are going to talk about old canon material? I know that you had a list of topics that fans could vote on. Has that been tallied up and begun?
Can you make a VS with Valkorion? Now that his story is over.
If you ever think about using Darth Sion in a future video and people say he is unkillable, just think; the opponent could still chop his body parts off. A headless Sion wouldn't be much of a threat.
May I suggest An'ya Kuro vs Count Dooku.
Could you do Jaden Korr vs. Darth Krayt?
Darth Marr VS Lord Hoth
Despite being jedi and sith they are both very similar characters. Both were inspiring leaders who were motivated by a sacrificial loyalty to their people which ultimately cost them their own lives and both being highly regarded as martial artists/duelists (despite each of them only having maybe one or two solid combative feats to their name)(P.S. also i think hoth's default forms are I and VI, judging by his easy with group engagements[with bodies stacking 'around' him in combat]and his apprentice's description of niman[which I think could have been him simply parroting hoth's words, which would indicate hoth's reverence for the form])
Hoth isn't a viable character to use in the versus series format. He's too lightly featured and we know too little about him to make a fair analysis of his capabilities.
@@tiredjediknight3110Lord Hoth has been used once before in a Versus match
can you do a vs video with Sha koon
I got versus video suggestion, what about a versus video of Jaina Solo vs Darth Maul and the other being Mara Jade Skywalker vs Barris Offee
1. Jaina
2. Mara
+EvanNova95 what do u think of a versus series between fallen Jedi Maris Brood and Ezra Bridger?
We should wait until Ezra's story finishes.
have you ever considered doing the Team Battle Jaden and Kyle against mother talzin and asajj Ventress
Pretty hype idea:
How about a bout of non-force users? Dirge vs. Boba Fett anyone?
Durge > Boba. Fett isn't capable of taking Durge down through firepower.
Figured not, still wanted to see it happen, though.
You should do Jaden Korr vs Galen Marek