For The Empire: - The Empire also has the war altar as a heavy chariot; - You might not want to take the long rifle on the engineer in the tank, as a model can only make 1 shooting attack per turn (so its either shooting the cannon or the long rifle). I guess the only upgrade for the engineer that could make some sense is the repeater pistol, to give it 3 quickshot stand and shoot hits; - When rolling a double 1 on steam points you cannot move anymore, so you don't add that 1 to your movement either. You can still shoot the cannon though; - Agreed that a tank might not always get its 300 points back, but it's also 300 points that are very hard to kill for your opponent, which definitely adds to its value as well.
Your last point is why I've put this and the iron daemon in s tier, like they add to your points differential. The war altar is a monstrous mount. On the long rifle, I don't think it's clear that you can't shoot it and the cannon as the chariot is shooting the cannon, and the engineer as a crew is shooting the long rifle, but I admit, your interpretation could be correct as a unit has to use one weapon unless stated otherwise so...
Thanks for your reply! Agreeing on your points, except the war altar most definitely is a heavy chariot though. However, it can indeed only be picked as a character’s mount.
it's quite funny that now into it's 4th edition, with all the resources and marketing of modern gw, aos is still a terrible game system and an IP they can't give away 😂
Just quickly, the corpse cart’s ability to reduce the number of wounds due to unstable IS cumulative with Indomitable. I think you accidentally misread the note at the bottom of the page. Love me some corpse carts!
@@MalignMusingsHa! I’m running two in my current necromancer heavy Vampire Counts list. Fairly average in combat, but excellent for combating unstable and resurrecting fallen blood knights.
lion chariot is a very good mount for a prince though with the white sword (monster slayer, S7 AP-2), especially as you can screen it with shadow warriors with chariot runners and feigned flight....which are admittedly pretty useless apart from that purpose.
I wouldn't put the Beastmen chariots in S-tier, but both are pretty good. I would put Tuskgor above the Razorgor due to it being core and a cheapish defensive tool for characters. Tuskgor Chariot also has Warband for rerolling charges which is greatly beneficial for a model that doesn't have Swiftstride. It's pretty likely to hit max range charges due to that rule (4/6). Razorgor Chariot as a mount also gains Warband though. A BSB on top can deliver +3CR and 8 hard hitting attacks with AP2 or better, plus the D6+2 impact hits for the same amount of points as a naked Doombull (DB is too expensive, but that's another discussion). As a mount it's a bit expensive compared to other factions flying monsterous mounts.
I suppose it depends on how you use them. I played against Mark Wildman a bit ago and they way he was using them was devastating, almost impossible to counter.
@@MalignMusings Beastmen often play a bit different. Many moving parts that can overwhelm the opponent. Very efficient army in the movement phase if you brought the right units. 🙂
What about the Plague Furnace and the Screaming Bell for Skaven? Both Chariots. Personally think the Furnace has potential. Bell buffs are too random and generally not useful enough.
I play with cauldron of blood, the bell is 10 times better and just 35 points more expensive 😅 Why do dark elves have everything worse damn it (Death hags excluded)
Disagree, the bell and furnace I did as monstrous mounts, they don't really function as chariots. The Cauldron is okay if you're going for a heavy witch elf build as if you take multiple you can spam 5+ ward saves until they get into combat and then multiple attacks with poisoned weapons and strike first should be able to do some damage.
@@MalignMusings That's the whole pdf and when they went back after saying they would not do any changes to the pdf Neft the giant rats Just prove to me they Route it really bad so it wouldn't conflict with their age of shit released
Ive really come to like gobo chariots in units of 2-3 , warband, swift and m9 is super fast. Only being 50mm wide means all 3 are going to do their impact hits of s5.
You have to try really hard not to make an OP greenskin list Most efficient arty Most efficient cav Most efficient heavy inf Best unit in the game (Fanatics) Best magic defence Most efficient ridden monster Do i need to add more?
@@Omalley69 same, but when you have 4 of them you can take the double 1 like a champ 😅 Orcs and wood elves are the S+ tier factions, thats something i think we can all agree on
@@grlmgorglade riders worst core in the game? More like one of the best Apparently you havent come across a good wood elf list, elf characters are crazy good, sisters of thorn are broken af They have great magic and magic defence, insane mobility Elf players pick dragons cause they feel like T3 to T6 is too good to pass but a glade rider death star just deletes a unit every turn
I like the "route one" reference. Maybe a crossover video of football and warhammer tactics? Which army plays 3 at the back and hoofs it (dwarfs), who's playing 4-3-3 tiki taka (wood elves?), who's gegenpressing and causing mayhem (beastmen?). Who's the Tony Pulis/Sean Dyche 4-4-2 brexit ball, khorne chaos?
And cumbersome, so it's -2 to hit if it moves, bit of a wierd chariot really, It's a slightly bad bolt thrower or a slightly bad chariot. Three of them is okay, but then you kinda need some shades to hide behind and then you're leaning into building your army in a very particular manner.
was painting up some Tiranoc Chariot when this poped up on my feed
Yeah, they're pretty decent, cheap okay fast chariots.
For The Empire:
- The Empire also has the war altar as a heavy chariot;
- You might not want to take the long rifle on the engineer in the tank, as a model can only make 1 shooting attack per turn (so its either shooting the cannon or the long rifle). I guess the only upgrade for the engineer that could make some sense is the repeater pistol, to give it 3 quickshot stand and shoot hits;
- When rolling a double 1 on steam points you cannot move anymore, so you don't add that 1 to your movement either. You can still shoot the cannon though;
- Agreed that a tank might not always get its 300 points back, but it's also 300 points that are very hard to kill for your opponent, which definitely adds to its value as well.
Your last point is why I've put this and the iron daemon in s tier, like they add to your points differential. The war altar is a monstrous mount.
On the long rifle, I don't think it's clear that you can't shoot it and the cannon as the chariot is shooting the cannon, and the engineer as a crew is shooting the long rifle, but I admit, your interpretation could be correct as a unit has to use one weapon unless stated otherwise so...
Thanks for your reply!
Agreeing on your points, except the war altar most definitely is a heavy chariot though. However, it can indeed only be picked as a character’s mount.
Never understood why people hate square bases. Nothing makes me laugh harder then seeing movement trays in aos and 40k
square base supremacy
it's quite funny that now into it's 4th edition, with all the resources and marketing of modern gw, aos is still a terrible game system and an IP they can't give away 😂
The new game looks okay, but still it's a poor version of 40K with dragons in...
@@drakeushellblade1786 this guy knows
Just quickly, the corpse cart’s ability to reduce the number of wounds due to unstable IS cumulative with Indomitable. I think you accidentally misread the note at the bottom of the page. Love me some corpse carts!
What a fool, thanks for pointing out, I might actually paint mine up now!
@@MalignMusingsHa! I’m running two in my current necromancer heavy Vampire Counts list. Fairly average in combat, but excellent for combating unstable and resurrecting fallen blood knights.
lion chariot is a very good mount for a prince though with the white sword (monster slayer, S7 AP-2), especially as you can screen it with shadow warriors with chariot runners and feigned flight....which are admittedly pretty useless apart from that purpose.
Interesting...
I wouldn't put the Beastmen chariots in S-tier, but both are pretty good. I would put Tuskgor above the Razorgor due to it being core and a cheapish defensive tool for characters. Tuskgor Chariot also has Warband for rerolling charges which is greatly beneficial for a model that doesn't have Swiftstride. It's pretty likely to hit max range charges due to that rule (4/6).
Razorgor Chariot as a mount also gains Warband though. A BSB on top can deliver +3CR and 8 hard hitting attacks with AP2 or better, plus the D6+2 impact hits for the same amount of points as a naked Doombull (DB is too expensive, but that's another discussion). As a mount it's a bit expensive compared to other factions flying monsterous mounts.
I suppose it depends on how you use them. I played against Mark Wildman a bit ago and they way he was using them was devastating, almost impossible to counter.
@@MalignMusings Beastmen often play a bit different. Many moving parts that can overwhelm the opponent. Very efficient army in the movement phase if you brought the right units. 🙂
U forgot the iron demon have an skull cracker upgrade
It does, doesn't even need mentioning, it's S tier without it lol.
@MalignMusings what one u think better I find the gun one more reliable but the skull cracker can do more if it gey charges
More Guns!!
What about the Plague Furnace and the Screaming Bell for Skaven? Both Chariots. Personally think the Furnace has potential. Bell buffs are too random and generally not useful enough.
I play with cauldron of blood, the bell is 10 times better and just 35 points more expensive 😅
Why do dark elves have everything worse damn it
(Death hags excluded)
Disagree, the bell and furnace I did as monstrous mounts, they don't really function as chariots. The Cauldron is okay if you're going for a heavy witch elf build as if you take multiple you can spam 5+ ward saves until they get into combat and then multiple attacks with poisoned weapons and strike first should be able to do some damage.
Only monster list To go hellpit Has to get a higher rank in that list My poor old skaven
I know, love me some ratbois, they've been done dirty in this version.
@@MalignMusings That's the whole pdf and when they went back after saying they would not do any changes to the pdf Neft the giant rats Just prove to me they Route it really bad so it wouldn't conflict with their age of shit released
Ive really come to like gobo chariots in units of 2-3 , warband, swift and m9 is super fast. Only being 50mm wide means all 3 are going to do their impact hits of s5.
You have to try really hard not to make an OP greenskin list
Most efficient arty
Most efficient cav
Most efficient heavy inf
Best unit in the game (Fanatics)
Best magic defence
Most efficient ridden monster
Do i need to add more?
@@Jimmyjazz1414 must say i dislike artellery without engineers.
Rest is truth
@@Omalley69 same, but when you have 4 of them you can take the double 1 like a champ 😅
Orcs and wood elves are the S+ tier factions, thats something i think we can all agree on
@@Jimmyjazz1414 Wood elves S tier? They have the worst core in the game and every tournament list has a lord on a dragon.
@@grlmgorglade riders worst core in the game? More like one of the best
Apparently you havent come across a good wood elf list, elf characters are crazy good,
sisters of thorn are broken af
They have great magic and magic defence, insane mobility
Elf players pick dragons cause they feel like T3 to T6 is too good to pass but a glade rider death star just deletes a unit every turn
I like the "route one" reference. Maybe a crossover video of football and warhammer tactics? Which army plays 3 at the back and hoofs it (dwarfs), who's playing 4-3-3 tiki taka (wood elves?), who's gegenpressing and causing mayhem (beastmen?). Who's the Tony Pulis/Sean Dyche 4-4-2 brexit ball, khorne chaos?
Dunno much about football aside from the catenaccio = dawi. Rugby I could do but I doubt anyone would get the references.
Scourgerunner is better than Tiranoc.
Only S4 and 10 points more, so it one of the worst hitting chariots but it got a short range bolt thrower with ponderous.
And cumbersome, so it's -2 to hit if it moves, bit of a wierd chariot really, It's a slightly bad bolt thrower or a slightly bad chariot. Three of them is okay, but then you kinda need some shades to hide behind and then you're leaning into building your army in a very particular manner.