Mario vs Sonic Death Battle REMATCH Was RIGGED?!
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- Although the Death Battle Rematch was Entertaining, I couldn't help but notice how pre-determined everything was and how it was pretty much rigged. In this video I explain why I believe so.
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As much as I like Mario, you’re completely right as it was slanted in his favor. I get if he were to win, but Sonic hardly even got any hits off of him. And this is coming from a Mario fan.
exaclty ya think being fast would give Sonic opportunities to land tons of hits. And I at least expected Mario to win with a power up
Do Nathan if it was base sonic vs Mario,then mario would probably win but they decided to use super sonic and hyper sonic so sonic should of smacked mario with ease
I know this is late but
Didn't sonic barrage mario
Thats good amounts of hits
@@Bogacb I mean they can’t really count sense he was in his star form which means that barrage of punches did nothing
I mean the original one they did sonic won
Mario's win felt forced to be honest. I still enjoyed the animation though.
If they have sonic turn into his other forms is all over for Mario
@@loiiysailor1177 actually no. Hyper is most likely sonics strongest form. Plus most of sonics other forms are not canon or are activated in a certain curcumstance.
Darkspine sonic needs 3 out of the seven world rings
The werehog was sucked out of sonic by dark gia
Super is just a weaker hyper sonic
Excaliber sonic isnt canon.
Dark sonic is the only possibe form sknic has and i doubt he is stronger then hyper.
@@akeemtaylor8375 Mario lucky they didn't fight at night werehog would have rip Mario asshole a new one am just saying
@Slav Rus you Mario fans are nothing but dick riders anyway they have Mario won to please you guys
@@loiiysailor1177 True
Death Battle rarely feels fair to me these days. I feel like they must be picking favorites, and then come up with logical stretches to desperately justify it. In the fight between Nathan Drake and Lara Croft, Nathan wasn't even killed by Lara, he blew up a helicopter with a rocket launcher, and then the propeller fell on him through random chance, fatally wounding him.
Like, do you actually expect me to believe that's a fair loss? Are you telling me if Lara swapped positions with him, that she would survive a helicopter propeller splitting her in half? Of course not. I don't even care which one of the two is stronger, I'm not an avid fan of either franchise. I just think that method of having the character they want winning exposes their bullshit.
There's other examples too, like in Metal Sonic vs Zero, they had Zero win by having him somehow ignore Chaos Control's time slow, which makes no sense and they never addressed it in the recap. In Tifa vs Yang, Yang struggles to even win fights consistently in her own show, and they expect me to believe she wins a fight against someone who is an expert fighter and who can stand up to Sephiroth? In Mewtwo vs Shadow, they pulled out of their ass that Mewtwo can just decide to make you forget who you are and what you are doing, which isn't what Amnesia even does. It raises the user's special stat and raises special defense. It doesn't cause enemy confusion or anything.
I still highly endorse Death Battle for entertainment purposes. They are perfectly fine to watch if you just want to eat some popcorn and watch some fights. However, in terms of actually settling debates on who would win a fight between two characters, it's very clear that they are more than willing to pull some serious bullshit to have their favorite character win. They are not at all debate enders. Their logic is often flawed, confusing, and biased.
That's the big thing that annoys me about the show. There's a certain pretentious nature to the way that they present it, they advertise and present themselves as the end all be all authority on who would actually win a fight between the characters in question, and they double down on this in their recaps at the end of each episode, wording things as if "The losing character might be able to win in some scenarios, but in the vast majority of outcomes the victor of the episode comes out on top". My problem with this is they never actually back that up with much actual proof. We are just meant to take their word for it that there's a statistical advantage, even though they obviously just pulled that out of their ass since they couldn't possibly actually have any real data to make a statistic out of. It's just a desperate attempt to calm down the fanboys of the losing side.
I feel like the show would be much better if they made it more clear that these are merely their opinion, and the outcome of each fight isn't solid fact. If they could just do that, it would kill two birds with one stone. It helps shut up the fanboys because it's just their opinion, which they are entitled to and have backed up with their reasoning, and it would make them look a lot less pretentious and arrogant, which would make people less inclined to argue against them.
I know this comment is a year old, but in megaman cannon both X and Zero actually have resistances to time stopping/slowing effects, and even then, although it may have gotten janky with more games in the series, Chaos Control isnt actually slowing or stopping time(or at least in the beginning) it's just moving super fast/teleporting
I guess they used Mewtwo's entry in the first Pokémon movie as he does literally erase people's memories in that film.
Bryson Lepage, not trying to argue but where in the sonic canon has it ever been said you are not stopping time when you use chaos control? Just legitimately interested.
Chaos Control can be either a warp of space or a slow of time. The very first instance of Chaos Control being used is when Shadow used it when Sonic and he first met in SA2. Sonic's lightning fast senses are able to see Shadow physically move past him. He initially reasons that Shadow is moving incredibly fast, but then immediately works out that it's not that he's fast, but that he's doing something using the Emerald. This is the version of Chaos Control that is generally playable in Shadow's game released in 2005 as well.
However, back in SA2 there are also multiple instances of Chaos Control being used to outright teleport. Shadow rescuing Rouge from the exploding island, Sonic escaping Eggman's exploding capsule in Space, and Sonic and Shadow together physically moving the entire Space Colony in their super forms, to name a few examples.
Zero, as he in the Zero series of Mega Man, is in a weakened state compared to how he was in the X series, and generally survives off his raw skill as opposed to his actual gear being anything spectacular. He even uses this raw skill to defeat Omega Zero, a virus inhabiting his original body with access to all the power he had before he lost it. Zero in his Z-Series body never demonstrates any sort of powerful resistance or immunity to a time manipulation power. In Zero 4, one of the boss fights is against Popla Cocapetri, who has the power to stop time. Getting hit by his time stop attack will indeed freeze Zero in place, with escaping it being a struggle. The best way to avoid it is to not get hit by it in the first place.
Even if Zero did have some sort of resistance to this kind of power, the fact of the matter is in that episode of Death Battle they never explained it. Surely if it was a legitimate win for Zero, they would have taken a moment to discuss why Zero could win despite Metal Sonic using a powerful Chaos Control, but they never did. They just had him do it and hoped nobody would notice.
The Mewtwo case is even worse than the Zero one. They drew from the video game canon primarily for Shadow, but allowed for multiple canons to draw from for Mewtwo to give him an edge. In regards to his ability to wipe someone's mind in the movie, what they also neglected to mention is that Mewtwo isn't actually erasing memories when he does this, it's actually more of a form of mind control in which he causes someone to repress memories of his choosing so he can cause them to act within a new identity.
Later in the movie, the memories he had repressed within Nurse Joy are opened back up to her when he has his change of heart and lets her go. They were never totally wiped from her mind, he was just brainwashing her. Shadow's experience with losing his memories in the past weren't from any form of mind control, they were first from being in cryogenic stasis for 50 years and then second from hitting his head really hard crashing into the planet from orbit.
While I don't remember if Sonic Forces was released before they did their video, Shadow has since shown that he is able to put up a resistance to mind control. Infinite is able to use the power of the Phantom Ruby to mess with Shadow's head a bit, but fails to outright remove Shadow's identity from him or brainwash him. As proof that Shadow's memories are intact, Shadow manages to catch up to Sonic and warn him about how the "Shadow" he was about to fight is a fake, along with all the other illusions created by Infinite.
It's pretty clear from the events of the DLC that Infinite was trying to mess with Shadow's memories and his perception of the passage of time, but ultimately he's only able to pull off a few illusions before Shadow manages to figure out what's going on and escape. During these efforts, Shadow was still perfectly capable of putting up a fight.
I mean to be fair. They never said you should take them as the word of god or a channel who's always right. VS debating is still debating in the end and comes down to your interpretation and view on the subject matter. Have they been wrong before? Yeah absolutely I could probably list quite a bit that were wrong at the time. Just try not to take debates too seriously. I mean in the end we are talking about a tubby plumber who smashed his ass against meteors to knock a giant turtle into a black hole and a blue hedgehog who has a fine set of sneakers being able to basically go super saiyan with emeralds and makes new friends constantly (back then not so much now)
Not throwing shade on you at all just don't get too invested into the debates as they really don't matter in the long run.
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He doesn't have it but he does have the quick reflexes to be able to hit him
Here's another thing about the 2nd Death Battle between Mario and Sonic :
In the pre-fight analysis, they said "Sonic cannot use chaos control without help." Which to that I replied in my comment (which you can read at the top of the comment section) after I put my thoughts forward : "P.S. In SA2, Sonic used chaos control to escape an explosion with a fake chaos emerald (Keep in mind, the fake Tails made had the same properties and characteristics of a real one), implying he *can* use chaos control without help, he just chooses not to."
Others have brought up other points.
Animation was hand drawn, which was cool, but it sure did put them in a time crunch (hence why most of things talked about in the pre-fight didn't show up). But I honestly expected it to be a CGI battle using the unreal engine where they could go all out and use all the weapons they both had before reaching the deceive ending where all the power ups were used and gone, where it'd then be a 50-50 toss over who won.
Never thought of it as an alternate ending, either.
But like I said, am I mad Mario won? No. Your favorite isn't going to win all the time. I was just underwhelmed with how they hyped the fight up only to have it end they way they did.
Yeah while I was rooting for Mario,they downplayed the fuck outta Sonic. And the animation while good,was a bit underwhelming.Mario used less powerups than he did in the previous Death Battle.
The 100th episode itself gave me Spongebobs Best Day ever vibes.
I’m only mad that they didn’t include things like sonic dark and darkspine forms. Also they could have included facts like how in sonic heroes his lvl 3 homing attack can make tornados.
I knew from the start that they would make Mario win despite how downplayed they made him and the fight animation seemed a little rushed... idk why they would use Hyper Sonic so early in the fight? They probably had a limited animation budget
they didn't say that he couldnt use chaos control , he doesnt use the time stop
Animation was nice, but everything else honestly doesn’t make much sense.
I totally agree
Your Friendly Neighbohood Pizza Time
I know right
sonic could actually rip through mario if he runs fast enough.
@GardenHoseblanka1 what do you mean?
I disagree
@GardenHoseblanka1 no, you have too explain it
I disagree with death battle with Mario's win. They barely talked about sonics strength and blew over some facts.
Yeah, death battle has a habit of downplaying characters.
@@PrismaFox they did downplay both Mario and sonic. Its stupid that they miss details like sonic being in the super form and being in it for a week ( I think it was a week if I remember correctly) also Sega tends to change sonic all the time. Sonic forces sonic should be the strongest but he was nerfed in it. They called sonic saying he is above light speed as a bluff. Omega just said that sonic was going at the speed of light but they ignore it. They go to super sonics trophy in smash bros and said he's almost the speed of light even though there has been proof of base sonic doing that alone. With Mario I don't know as much but i know there are much better feats then Mario kicking a castle like a Looney toon character.
Plus with scaling. Base current speed should be faster then hyper sonic in the past (cause of that hyper flash) that should be obvious but that could be miss proven sense there are theory's that the super form has infinite speed.
There is a lot more that they missed. There is a community on google plus about the sonic series feats
Also one thing. Mario has gotten stronger and not just because of the normal power ups and that is because of the Mario and Luigi series
Yeah, super sonic did last for a week in sonic advance.
And Sonic has been shown going a light speed without supersonic.
And Sonic has taken hits from powerful beings before and not to mention this...
Sonic was inside a blackhole (Sonic Rider Zero Gravity) while fighting Ablis (Not Iblis)
@@PrismaFox I didn't know about the sonic rider zero gravity feat. Probably because people don't really bring it up.
Yeah, not many people bring it up. but the point is Sonic still wins Mariotards are ignoring proof cause they say death battle says otherwise
The only person that can beat Superman is Ultra Instinct Shaggy.
Lol!
@@GamerGuyd7Aces its true though
true that
yes
There is a new power waiting inside "original the character" over there. U all will perish... IM NOT CRAZY!
If Sonics reaction speed is as good as his travel speed, let's be really honest!! Mario should not even be able to touch him with ANYTHING....
Mario has MFTL+ reaction and movement speed. Sonic won't be able to touch Mario.
@@stalememes6162 but sonic is much faster.
@@LIKEABOSS-xe3ld Mario can react to things moving at 78.6 quadrillion times the speed of light. Sonic's fastest feats (including his super forms) is 7 quadrillion times the speed of light. Mario dodges everything.
@@stalememes6162 sonic has never shown his true speed.
@@LIKEABOSS-xe3ld Yes he has. That is the worst argument for somebody being faster.
Why was there a rematch in the first place,no need to awaken the fanboys (including me)
sonc- a-donc. eh because there were lots of new things added to both characters. And back then Death battle wasn’t all about research. I agree that if they used Archie Sonic, then he would win. But they didn’t and it makes sense
@@theinfinityeffect3244 you know that archie copied game
@@TheRegularMuiGoku they are the same character
@@user-ww2rq9dd4q Archie sonic isn't Canon same thing with paper Mario
@@justanidiot3994 yeah
Many things in the Deathbattle didn't make any sense. Especially the Chaos Control And usage of Hyper Sonic.
They Said that Sonic Chaos Control wasn't a Canon ability Even if Adventure 2 is Shadow Debut proving that is more than Canon.
But used Hyper Sonic Even if Shizuka revealed that Super Emeralds aren't Canon.
U forgotten that chaos control can be use in three ways n out of the three Sonic has never use chaos control to slow time down which screwattack was talking about in their analysis speaking of that's what determines the fight.
So Super Emeralds arent canon? no wonder why they didnt returned nor even Hyper Sonic, it is strange that in Mania you still have Super Tails and Super Knuckles even without the Super Emeralds but know knowing this i can understand why.
The Sonic series is inconsistent as hell, remember when Blaze the cat was from the alternate dimension then change to from future n back, remember when classic Sonic n modern Sonic were one n the same change now they r separate characters
tatsunoko98 for blaze it's the other way around
@@tatsunoko98 Sonic 06, red gem. Check ya facts.
Technically Game sonic in base can run faster than light easily. Because of generations he reinstalled reality which makes him massively faster than light. In forces he ran through a dimension where nothing exists and he did this in around 20 seconds or something
Come on man that's a stretch. Don't stoop to the Mario fanboy's level and highball Sonic in a ridiculous manner.
@@shadowthehedgehog3113 dude cmon sonic fanboys are way worse
@@somerandomboi7045 At least we don't intentionally dishonestly exagerrate Sonic's power stats to win. We don't need to because Sonic is clearly stronger than Mario. We don't need to say bullshit like "Sonic can run at the speed of light at will". If we were trying to highball Sonic like DB highballed Mario, we would do just that.
@@shadowthehedgehog3113 honestly sonic fans already did and to be fair both mario and sonic are both inconsistant with their feats
And im not even a mario fanboy even one sonic fanboy stated that the battle was unfair because they didnt use archie sonic against game mario
You don't know how long I was waiting for this video.
Haha You already knew? :P
Me too! :)
Me too 😂😂
me too
Yup, im glad somone is making a vid about the rigged fight, one day when my art style and animation skills improve i might make a real ending to this.
15:26 But in Sonic and The Secret Rings Sonic runs back to his Universe, if that took years it would still be above trillions of times faster than light. So I disagree, he is way faster than light in his base form.
TheSEGASonic plus in Sonic Forces he escapes a closed off dimension with his speed
I agree with you that Sonic is faster than light in base form
He nearly outspeeds a fucking black hole
Don't forget in Colors I believe it is, he brags about light speed being slow motion to him, literally after E-123 Omega states he is going faster than light.
TheSEGASonic True!
Yall are saying "oh yeah Mario would beat sonic because he can turn his head quick" but you also forgot mario has been knocked out sevral times, and gets killed in base form by a turtle or mushroom. I'm not saying sonic hasn't been knocked out before, but I see sonic winning. Criticize me, I dont care.
15:20 I disagree in that since in sa1 manual, he was at hypersonic speeds, sonic battle, went toe to toe against ultimate emerl in under 30 seconds, sonic and the secret rings, ran through many other universes before meeting his own, sonic colors... "Light speed is too slow", sonic generations, running through space fixing time, and the official sonic the hedgehog 2014 stated that he is faster than light. Not to mention that in your sonic theory vid his speed = strength, he only doesn't go that fast because he doesn't want to hurt anyone or the environment around him.
Great animation but i knew Death Battle would let Mario win so they could have a tie. If they have a rematch again, then Sonic would win if Sonic fans complain about the new match
Chilli Hog
triggered?
why??
sonic won 2011
mario won 2018
IT'S A TIE SO GET OVER IT
@@narutarddatsme3207 Where in my comment did i say or sound like im triggered, i knew for a fact they would let Mario win and i don't give a fuck about it. Still BS but its Death Battle sooooo i don't care. If Mario use cappy on Sonic then i wouldn't call it BS. But Death Battle say they would also included comics too. If that's the case, Archie Sonic would have murdered Mario, no question. But whatevs, i look at it as love video for Mario fans
Read carefully before calling me triggered faggot. If Mario use cappy then i would have said fair enough. Plus i agree with Gamerguy vid so are u also saying that he's triggered?
Chilli Hog
don't argument anymore, it won't change my mind or screwattacks.
You just argument because you are sad that sonic lost.
Do you hve any idea how I felt when I saw mario die as a kid??
I am so happy that mario won this time.
Finally mario won once....
By that argument why didn't they give goku the win in the second fight (superman vs goku 2)? Simple, goku can't beat superman on the other hand Mario has received a shit ton of upgrades in his new games making him too much for sonic.
The rematch wasn’t an accurate fight
Says the person with a sonic pfp
@@dynamicjackstorm He's right though
@@Venom-rr1vg he isn’t
@@dynamicjackstorm they lowballed the crap out of super and hyper form
@@dynamicjackstorm he’s right
They used a lot of headcanon assumptions for Mario's power. They even handpicked things to ignore for Sonic while even forgetting things. It's obvious in terms of feats they had to be very picky about what they could use for Mario to hypothetically win with those "calculations".
He is FTL in base as SEGA said in a official statement in a information guide. Screwattack used Unleashed as a bases for his speed (while using headcanon to assume SPD equals meters) while leaving out that the light speed dash is slower than Sonic's max speed in that game on those same measurements. Then there is Sonic's 30 second fight with Emerl when he had the emeralds, his time and space altering speed in Generations and his fights with Infinite/escaping an endless void in Forces.
I don't mind Mario losing in the first match, but HOW he lost is what pissed me off. Why did he get dizzy? Also, Mario can be powerful in the RPG games.
What sonic fought: a time eater, infinite, all stages of chaos, etc
What Mario fought: bowser, hand boss, piano, etc
(Basically sonic kinda fought stronger bosses)
@@Blue_Streak_Studios Sonic has fought really strong bosses but chalking Mario's feats up to Bowser, a hand, and a piano isn't really doing justice for either character honestly. Mario has fought King Boo (who can make pocket dimensions), Dreamy Bowser, (Fat outlier to scale him to Dreamy Bowser due to the fact he not only needed help, but the dream stone is hax.), Power Star and Power Moon users, (Solar system AP).
Don't get me wrong I see the direction Sonic fans are coming with this fight! I'm more of a Mario person but this fight is one I have very mixed opinions on.
@@Blue_Streak_Studios No, that's a lie, if you're gonna criticize Mario's power at least be genuine. Mario defeated a demon, a clown who could destroy universes, a parasite fused with an ancient dark artifact, stopped an alien invasion and along with his brother and their baby selves almost singlehandedly fought an entire ARMY of aliens, he defeated an evil witch, stopped a robot invasion with four others... Now if you wanna say that Sonic's villains are stronger then fine, but don't pretend that Mario hasn't fought actual threats, because that is *wrong*.
@@rendumguy7596 well, obviously Mario fought hard villains, I mean look at fury bowser
@@Blue_Streak_Studios Fury Bowser probably isn't one of the strongest, and why did you only include the weak bosses then?
Look, can’t we just agree that according to the settings, Mario or Sonic could beat one another
I true Sonic i totally agree especially sense they're both video game characters
My thoughts: if sonic's legs can move fast enough to outrun a black hole (for a while at least) then a single kick from sonic and the fight is over.
Nah
Yes
Mario survived cosmic events, buddy. And by using that logic, since Mario’s arms are fast enough to outswim a black hole that was sucking in stars and galaxies, one punch from Mario and the fight is over.
@@lfc_szn4274 my point is, if all feats are taken into account, then the fight is really dumb and fast because they're overly inconsistent with power, unless the fight is padded out with bullshit. I don't want the fight to be over because each fighter has a particularly stong limb, i want the feats to be more consistent, because if all of them are taken into account, then the strengths and weaknesses of each character make no sense. Or at least that's what i wanted to come accross. Guess that's my fault for not saying that in the first place, and also for thinking people would use their imaginations
@@Splonton Ok, I understand.
THANK YOU! YOU TOOK THE WORDS OUT OF MY MOUTH! ive been trying to say that mario is more cartoony and slapstick which is why he always survives things without a scratch while sonic actually shows a sense of realism when he struggles or gets hurt. i do think mario is super strong like when he throws bowser around which looks accurate but once he "survives" super novas(even tho rosalina is the one who saves him) and kicks castles the same size as him that's when i lose my shot
(probably about to start a flame war)
Everything I've heard in the comment section of this video, trying to debunk Mario vs Sonic (2018), was already covered, either by Wiz & Boomstick, or by the info-cards at the top of the screen.
I'm gonna tackle a few of the Arguments I've read for why Sonic "would win."
"In Sonic & the Secret Rings, Sonic ran all the way back to his world, making him massively Faster than Light"
I haven't watched that cutscene in a while, but If I remember correctly, it said "He FOUND A WAY back to his world", not "He ran all the way back to his world". I may be wrong, but that's how I remember it.
"In Sonic Generations, Sonic's running repaired Time"
THIS WAS COVERED IN AN INFO-CARD!! Those levels were basically reached through Wormholes, not Sonic "RUNNING THROUGH TIME!" Same Situation with Sonic CD.
I disagree tails said that by Sonic's speed he restore reality and patch in the wormholes.
Sonic Forces. Sonic was traveling interdimensional speeds, when he got out of null space
@@dakaraiwinters3300 In a cutscene shortly after, when Eggman says it wasn't possible to escape Null Space, Sonic states "I had a little help from my friend," meaning he HAD HELP in the task, & couldn't do so alone.
Doesn't sonic have multiple other super forms besides super and hyper? Like the story forms for instance?
Edit: Now that I think about it aren't there a bunch of abilities and power-ups from the storybook series that were left out?
R.U.S.E 35 darkspine is straight up universal. They really don’t pay attention to any series well tbh, If they get the outcome right it sure anint cause they research well.
I feel like you don't know enough about the Mario lore, and really only focus on every decent thing Sonic has done to really make Mario look like crap.
If you don't know, THE MARIO VERSE IS INSANELY POWERFUL. In fact, some feats make Mario pretty much Hyperversal. Hyper Sonic can't even compete with that.
But either way, good video.
hyperversal? Get a load of this guy!
@@ProtoMekka A.k.a. Super Paper Mario, but it's just my opinion.
@@ProtoMekka mario can beat godly beings in his BASE FORM.
@@SKeLeTrust paper Mario is noncanon to the main series Mario their two separate beings
if they'd made hyper sonic more accurate to how he really is, he'd just destroy mario. i don't know why the rematch had to suck so much.
Wonder why they didn't upload sonic vs megaman
Yeah and that star power up lasts like 10 seconds in the game not as much as hyper sonic hyper sonic lasts for a minute and sonic should of just dodged all hits but its cool
@@d4m0n87 yeah
7:10
Forgot the fact that mario has other invincibility powerups and mario could've used them before each one ends. They didn't do that because it would've added more time in animation.
Sonic also has invinciblility without super form
mario is just being nice to sonic, if he use invincible suit from 3d land/ world which last the hole level...
Sonic is dead.
@TruSandwich it doesnt increase his strength? Since when? Theres no evidence that proves that it doesnt. Seeing how he can touch ANYTHING in one hit and its gone. Also STOP using the mechanic in Sonic 2 pr 3 because NOWDAYS theres a limit. He did it one time YEARS which is an outlier now since he cant do it in recent games
This point makes no sense in my opinion for four reasons. One, Mario would clearly be defeated before he even get to his invincibility power ups, two because Sonic is WAY too fast for Mario to even get out those power ups, three because there is no reason to not assume that Sonic couldn't just steal Mario's invincibility power ups to use them against him, and four because even if Mario did get to his invincibility power ups, Sonic's super forms including Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic last FAR longer than any of Mario's ever could and Hyper Sonic could kill Mario instantly so it doesn't matter. Before you say it, yes I know Mario has unlimited power ups and yeah he has a White Tanooki suit which makes him forever invincible. The White Tanooki suit isn't even canon because it only shows up when Mario dies multiple times so it can't be used, and Mario's unlimited power ups are nothing to Sonic because like I said, Sonic is way too fast for Mario to even use the damn things and Sonic's super forms could kill him probably instantly so it STILL doesn't matter. If we're being realistic here, the fight shoulda been 10 seconds long. Sonic gets Super or Hyper Sonic out and Mario dies. Sonic destroys Mario with Super Sonic and absolutely obliterates Mario with Hyper Sonic. I believe Sonic wins but damn this is a really fun debate. Oh yeah one last thing, SONIC'S SUPER FORMS HAVE TIME LIMITS, BUT THEY ARE ONLY GAME MECHANICS!!!!!!!!!! SONIC STOMPS.
@@greypea549 First off, that damn White Tanooki suit can't even be used because it only shows up when Mario dies multiple times, so there. Also, the time limits in Sonic's Super Forms are game mechanics while Mario's time limits ARE NOT. Super Sonic destroys Mario and Hyper Sonic obliterates Mario with no real effort. Just my opinion.
Sonic is more powerful in his base form (no power ups in effect) than Mario in his base form (no power ups in effect and Cappy counts as a power up). That is a fact it is when you bring the power ups into the equation that things get complicated.
No he isn't. He only is as Super Sonic.
Mario is way stronger than Base Sonic.
@@cassandrasmith9625 x doubt
@@cassandrasmith9625 Nope.
@@princelamar1735 yes
My problem with your debunk is that you ignore several things during the actual death battle video, your also underestimating Mario as a character and a fighter.
Your argument about "Screw attack taking real life scenarios and applying them to cartoon characters." Is contradictory. If they didn't do that, feats like sonic outrunning a black hole wouldn't be taken seriously at all because no Mammal actually exist to do that. They have to apply some kind of logic and reason to give the best estimate. As the Mario Sports game, just because there spinoffs, doesn't mean there non-canon, they haven't done anything to question the Mario canon at all.
I'm so happy Mario win
But I'm sad in Ryu vs scorpion and scorpion win...
Basically, his whole argument the entire time was, "Sonic would win because he is more cooler." Without taking account of any actual research at all.
There is a literal gap between Mario and Sonic because Mario in base form is already enough to take on Sonic...easily. Before he would even get the chance to reach Super, Mario's feats are so staggering that Sonic wouldn't be able to *immediately* resort to Super. Plus, Sonic is known for underestimating his enemies, ESPECIALLY in the likes of Mario. While it is debatable whether or not Mario could beat Super Sonic in base given they have both defeated universal foes. However, Mario has the Bottomless Gloves which give Mario an indefinite amount of items whether it be the Invincibility Star or Metal Cap. So this fight would be stalemate until Super Sonic eventually drains out all of his energy, giving Mario the oppuritunity for the attack. Though, that's just my thoughts. I'd love to hear any other arguments regarding Mario vs. Sonic.
Also it's been awhile since I have gotten back into Vs. debates, so apologies if any of my arguments seem off in any way
@@ragingrayquaza7982 Hyper sonic stomps base Mario, even mario with the star man wouldn't last long enough to take on sonic. Plus base form archie sonic would obliterate mario
@@ProtoMekka I just explained above why the Star Powerup's time limit wouldn't matter. The Bottomless Gloves give Mario an *indefinite* amount of any power up whether it be the Star, Metal Cap, etc. He can just keep reusing the same powerup until Super Sonic drains out his energy.
Super Sonic isn't completely invincible from what we have seen with Dark Gaia, being completely wiped out. He also can get knocked out of his Super Form as seen with Knuckles (Though, I could let that slide as PIS) and from a falling capsule.
Hyper Sonic for one, is excluded because he is confirmed Non-Canon. Furthermore, It's unclear whether or not Hyper Sonic is actually 7× more powerful than Super Sonic. I mean heck, for all we know he could just be Super Sonic granted with a few new abilities.
We know the Star Power up is invincible to anything (except for falling hazards which is obvious game mechanics). Final bosses can't even damage Mario in that state.
And as for Archie Sonic...now admittedly, I believe that Archie Sonic would beat Mario. But if you throw in Kun Mario than Archie Sonic is toast. Kun Mario has basically all of Mario's and Paper Mario's feats *plus toonforce.* I can't see a single scenario where Mario doesn't win. I can assure you though, that Sonic beats Mario music wise (and overall, Sega is actually a chill company compared to Nintendo copyrighting any video with the mere mention of their characters.) But in a fight, I just don't see Sonic taking the cake for this one. Oh well, his music still kicks ass at least, right?
Honestly tho...It's not the fact that:
1) They believe Sonic _needs_ rings to stay in his Super State (though, that's been debunked by Sonic Advance with him going days in it)
2) He didn't use all his wisps
3) They say there's no official source saying "Sonic is light-speed" while using Unleashed as a source for information that, in the manual, EXPLICITLY states he can move at light-speeds pm1.narvii.com/6725/2b1ac13560f75385b43018eebff16b72f14fd51ev2_hq.jpg
4) He only used Hyper Sonic
5) Saying "Super Sonic doesn't scale to Time Eater or Solaris because he doesn't have their abilities" (which is the equivalent to saying "Jiren doesn't scale to Goku because he's using normal ki while Goku is using God Ki")
6) Saying "Sonic can't go FTL without power ups" (Sonic Heroes, Sonic 06, Sonic unleashed, Sonic generations...he literally has a move called light-speed dash that he does in short burst when he needs too and does it pretty easily. What's to say he can't go all out and go beyond that? Oh, and about the trail of rings, that's just something for the light-speed dash to work on, i.e game mechanic)
7) They used _Sonic Adventure's_ manual for Sonic's "official" speed...
8) Saying "Sonic needs to power up for the light-speed attack" (Sonic Heroes...)
9) Hell, not even the fact that they didn't even look at the fact Sonic's fast enough to cross dimensions (Sonic Forces/Sonic & The Secret Rings).
What REALLY bothers me is the fact that during fight, they made it seem as if Sonic doesn't know how to fight *at all.* During the fight, he's literally swinging wildly as if he's just _hoping_ he lands a shot. The problem with this is that in games like Sonic Battle, you see that Sonic _clearly_ knows how to fight and uses martial art styled moves. He's no Batman, but he can definitely hold his own against someone in hand-to-hand combat. Heck, *he beats Emerl who is has **_his_** abilities, his **_friends_** abilities, literal **_centuries_** of combat experience under his belt and copied **_some_** of the power from the final egg blaster that destroyed multiple stars in one shot.*
This is the ultimate testament to Sonic's combat ability. The fact that the Death Battle made Sonic look so inexperienced is kind of stupid to me even though I knew from the jump that Mario was gonna win.
Screw attack treated the rematch like a freaking episode of game theory, forget the real world analysis of speed or strength
Just lay the power ups and abilities on the table and go all out like the old days
Yeah
If it was a Game Sonic vs Mario (this time a proper no reference to T.V or comic book series and no items this time, just a straight up brawl) who would win and why?
Sonic, because he have speed and have the power to hit hard robots. Mario may have the strength. But he is more useful for his power ups. Not that's Sonic is too fast for Mario to attack him. So Sonic is the winner.
@Semajar The Debunker Who, me
Mario curbstomps.
That's stupidly wrong, but go ahead, prove it.
That statement you said about getting the white tanooki suit is so true. I don't get how so many people didn't realize this.
Which means they completely buffed up Mario and heavily nerfed Sonic. Wow.
I'm a fan of both, but yea, it totally felt rigged😂
7/8 years ago everyone said Mario vs Sonic was rigged cause Mario lost and did not use a half of his strong items while Sonic nearly used every possible ability and managed to activate Super Sonic underwater(what he can't).
Today the Sonic Fans tell us the fight was rigged cause of other dumb reason. 😅
Not true
^Two kinds of people.
The internet everybody. No matter what you do somebody’s gonna be pissed.
The animation was ok but was unimpressed overall. It was obvious Mario was gonna win but they seriously undercut sonic. My biggest gripe is despite giving Sonic as big of a speed advantage as the said in the analysis part, they didn't try to transfer it to the fight itself. Other than one short scene with sonic running circles around mario, Sonic spends the entire fight going around the same speed as Mario. Sonic never used his speed for any offensive or defensive advantage. He didn't use it to get more hits on mario than most anyone else would, and he didn't use it to dodge many of mario''s punches.
They both got downplayed super hard. This kinda depends on where you put their levels at but I believe mario still wins with some hax and power depending on where you level them both.
No disrespect but I wanna bring up how Sonic brought back the FREAKING MULTIVERSE, IN GENERATIONS (Blaze was there, so it was the multiverse).
have people forgotten super sonic can actually do
I always thought Mario was stronger than Sonic, even though I’m a bigger sonic fan. Honestly I don’t think they did it to appease the Mario fans, or else they wouldn’t have done this death battle at all (because Sonic fanbase is stronger than Mario’s). I could see some ways in which Sonic could beat Mario, but I also see many more ways where Mario could beat Sonic
There more way sonic beats Mario that Mario way to beat sonic
Meh, whatever.
@@mannycampos6885 no
Sonic is way stronger
Mario can survive black holes without help, pick entire castles off of the floor and other stuff, which is strong, yes, but sonic is still stronger. Allow me to explain something called MOMENTUM.
It's the source of Sonics power, and it makes moving things accelerate.
Imagine a car about to get into a car crash. The faster the car is going, the more impact the crash would have. Same with sonic.
Hypersonic can move at at least light speed. So his legs would not only have to move at light speed, but even faster to propel his body weight through the air resistance. Every time mario gets punched or kicked, he gets hit by an object moving faster than light. He would die where he stood.
People don't understand what speed really means. It isn't just running fast, it comes with time control, gravitational control, space time manipulation, dimensional manipulation, and absurd amounts of strength.
Mario's ass would get obliterated.
Well@@lelaoikase1132now that the sonic movie is out what do you have to say now;)(also no, Mario is stronger, thy just really dumb of you to say that)
The only thing Sonic surpasses Mario is speed, intelligence? Mario solves more puzzles, and he was doctor once.
You need wisdom and strength to lift a sword named caliburn Sonic can casually lift it around with one arm he's far smarter and stronger than Mario he also outclasses him in durability and powerups too
The speed is equality a force thank gravity.
@@charhaznable5624 uuuuum I can't understand you please use better grammar
@@chuckordinaasserordaorwhat7682 I said that speed is equal to force is a law of gravity explained by Newton, sonic is not only fast but uses that to enhance his attacks and more using friction to give effective attacks such as homing attack and spin dash, etc. Obviously this is also achieved thanks to its spines, being a hedgehog, it is almost untouchable when it takes the shape of a ball, sometimes the speed at which it runs or flies is so great that it can create wind waves, it can also make tornadoes, sonic cannot fly without them emeralds but it also has wisp, it almost escaped from a black hole in the middle of the area, it also resists it quite well without any scratches, only fatigued.
@@charhaznable5624 yup
Wouldn't Hyper Sonic easily kill Mario before he could use the Invincibility Star?
They said super sonic can’t fly at the speed of light because smash bros even tho it’s not even cannon
Lol Mario beating Sonic caused so many butthurt Sonic fans.
Lies
Manny Campos sure it hasn’t...
@@Dr.PaiPai of course it hasn't I read the comment section and lots Sonic's fans that are mature. All I see is "all mighty" mario fans starting fights like talking shit the them
@@mannycampos6885 i laughed when you said the sonic fans are mature
Because one time i said nope to a sonic fan and he said yes he would win BITCH
@@somerandomboi7045 lol that don't mean nothing that's only one
Once Sonic went Hyper Sonic, Mario should've lost because of the massive power difference that happens
@Just a NIGGA Hyper Sonic basically would've destroyed Mario by the time he went Hyper mode
@@cedricromero5082 as death battle said, mario has insane reaction speed allowing him to dodge his attacks and allowing him to use a star
@@akeemtaylor8375 and although that is true that battle in the end was just made to satisfy the Mario fans anyways
@@cedricromero5082 they deffinately failed then. Both mario and sonic were nerfed here. As for me, i think they are equa but yea.
I honestly hate the sonic fan base sometimes
Unlike the Mario fanboys, the sonic fanboys weren't screaming like babies.
@@lightgivemepower6425 tell thst to the mario fanbois who were crying about the orginal till the remstch was made.
@@alliancestopmotionstudio7104 I know they were, I'm just surprised that I didn't see many sonic fanboys raging in the comments after the fight. And that's another thing too, people have the right to call out on death battle for there misguided research of these characters, unless what there saying is total childs play, Heck the research of these two were wrong here in there, but this research of these to were heavily treated poorly, especially sonic.
I mean like, not even into the video yet, and I'm 100% sure that it was rigged. The fact that the star man last as long as it did, reaching for straws when using the castle feat. And not letting Sonic use most of his moveset, like the light speed dash, the boost, and the tornado thing he does in Sonic Heroes.
But still, I enjoyed the fight, but I still have a lot more issues with it-
1: the castle feat isnt straw picking
2:instead of the starman they could've used the white tanooki which lasts forever
3: I agree with the moveset argument
Mario Gamer 64 1. You don't see Mario use the same strength feat in the newer Mario games? How can it not be a straw pull?
2. Although it would be very likely that White Tanooki Suit could beat Sonic, we have to take into account that you have to die for the power up, making it unable for Mario to have access to. Unless you say that "it's just a mechanic" then the same rules will be have to said for Super/Hyper Sonic, since his forms in Advance has been said to last for a week. So in that case, there would be no victor.
3. 👌
Well sonic didn't have any rings to begin with in the battle
Sonic wouldn't even have super in this battle
Melee Pet
Alright, we can use that as an argument.
But what about the other wisps that could've been around the area? Like a cyan wisp, or the frenzy wisp. Come to think about it, most of the wisp forms are invulnerable.
Now let's say that there shouldn't be wisps. All Sonic has left is his speed, his own techniques. AND THE ELEMENTAL SHIELDS. They could've let him used the fire shield to counter Mario's pyrokenisis or even the Invincible Shield. Mario wouldn't have any options against Sonic because of his speed, and even if Mario survived an explosion, Sonic has indeed survived re entry.
They also mentioned in the Death Battle that it takes 2 hedgehogs to use Chaos Control to teleport something away, which is false. It took 2 super hogs to teleport something as MASSIVE as the Space Colony Ark.
Hhhh
Mario Gamer 64 ok you are no forever dumb to even bring up the white suit that shit was a game mode only ability for new players that kept dying you can't use that BS
Mario won because they just like Mario more and thats WHY they buffed Mario and nerfed sonic
And with chaos emeralds he can basically last as long as he wants
Yeah imagine the super emeralds.
What? That's stupid...
No he needs rings
@@Navitheguy Your using game mechanics for sonic so what about hey Mario can't get one shoted by sonic don't use game mechanics as feats otherwise mario will become a bubsy
(With game mechanics)
@@gregorythelasagnacat2180 hyper sonic doesn't last long TBH
They only used stuff that supports the games, like the castle feat, which is legit, was also done in the manga, which supports the games. And they didn’t use the Comic’s for Sonic, because that was Archie Sonic, not Game Sonic. Archie is OP as fuk and owned by Archie Comics, where as Game is more normal level and owned by SEGA.
BenjaminTHH - Hellfire Productions fucking thank you.
Kinda sad how only one comment here is sane
EVEN IN THE GAMES...
Sonic is still OP.
He can defeat Universal level Gods... WIth only Super Sonic.
So no... Just using the games, Sonic is op.
There is no reason for nerfing Game Sonic just because he is not Archie Sonic.
GuppinasTH Universal Gods with Super Sonic, Mario already beats Sonic in base form, he can just use his invincibility power ups to counter Super Sonic, even for a week because of how many Mario has
@@mozza5346 nah
It's kinda sad when you realized that in this kinds of battles, arguments like this are easily dismissed as "just being salty".
That's toxic debates for you my friend. They aren't fun at all and neither side ever wants to listen to potential reason most of the time as to why a character wins. It's the sad reality
I agree with you Mario can not be number 1 of everything.
Shmir Williams yeah a lot of stuff doesnt make sense
but sonic won the last and mario doesnt win everything
Yes he did good animation to 👍😎☺
Sonic can’t be number 1 either so Mario won fair and square
I agree with you
I feel like sonic should have won
1. I think that a point that a lot of people don't understand is that technically the animation doesn't count towards who wins, since the overall match is determined already based on research, the animation is just to make it look cool. 2. The first death battle was there 7TH ONE out of there now 100, so with more experience in research at this point, they looked at more of the games AND the games that have come out since there first one. 3. Probably the most valuable point is that both these series do not link to each other's games almost at all, especially Mario, so they used all the power ups from all there games to determine who would win, as of course most of there power ups haven't come back since there appearance like the Wing Cap and Hyper Sonic. 4. Once again I'll say it for them, they only use the games they have been in and not outside sources like the Archie comics or the Mario Bros mov....oh god, Because yes, if they used those as points then Sonic would have blew Mario out of the water. 5. This is one thing I won't give credit for and that would be that ever since they made the first death battle there are now THREE SONICS yeah that's right I said THREE SONICS so there is now Classic Sonic, Modern Sonic and *sigh* Boom Sonic, which means that what they should have done, is choose one of these individually, as they have all had different power ups across there games and are totally different people, even though they are still Sonic and it doesn't make any sense how classic and modern work, this was confirmed by sega, though you can argue classic and modern are the same you can't argue boom, and this is all in the games, which means they are viable, for different unique power ups just as an example, only Classic Sonic can become Hyper Sonic, only Modern Sonic would have access to the wisps and maybe the werehog, and only Boom Sonic would have such terrible gameplay, each individual things that separate them and if we take that into account then Mario would absolutely win since he's been the same Mario we all know. Though maybe in Galaxy he's in a different universe at the end but idk. I hope we can continue this debate in the comments below IN A SANE MANNER. pls. Thanks for reading.
Dude, there's like, over 20 sonics. And modern game canon sonic still absurdly fast in both movement speed and reaction time. They didn't even bring up the Super fast Emerl fight in sonic battle (where gameplay was slower than real time) or how sonic can still slow down time even without chaos emeralds in secret rings, or that he can extend his spikes while spinning (X-treme), or how he can technically control wind to some extent without even having to run (sa2), there's no stomp, no bounce, no kick moves, no wind slash, or even a light speed attack in there. Might as well just be classic sonic in this fight really. In fact, it kinda does feel like classic sonic instead of modern sonic. Speed feats weren't even that impressive in the animation. Not even a single boost in there.
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Thought something felt off about that ending. The fact that Sonic feats has been down played since generations probably didn't help either.
the120cxx Or that he can sense with his spines(Sonic and the secret Rings)
If you count SA 2 Sonic as Modern Sonic then Modern Sonic is more than enough. Also if Screwattack is gonna use feats from Sonic X then they should at least mention the fact that Sonic can be Super Sonic for pretty much as long as he wants to. Anyways in SA2 Sonic has insane reaction, being able to react to Shadow while he's teleporting. A lot of people also forget that Sonic in Sonic Heroes can do Light Speed attack by himself and in Sonic Unleashed we can further confirm that Sonic can be Super Sonic for at least 1 minute.
Also Void Wisp is literally a black hole, don't know how Mario is gonna deal with that.
If Sonic has the reaction speed to react to teleportation even for just a second, then Mario shouldn't even be able to hit him.
What the story for the animation sucked. Sonic gose Hyper Sonic because he scared of some cat Mario's. Yeah no poor timing to use that Trump card.
barring boom they are all the same sonic @@the120cxx
In Sonic colors Ds they hinted at Sonic possibly going above it or at least equal to it when he was talking to omga
What?! A Death Battle was rigged?! In other news, water is wet, the sky is up, and Earth is round (You can fight me on that one.).
I_Am_Dragoon the sky is also down if you really think about it🤔
There was so much Non cannon BS on Mario. I mean I could be wrong but I think the Mario RPG series, Sports games, and Mario world tv series are a spin-off, which means isn’t cannon.
I also feel like the whole Mario lifting up the castle in MW thing was probably just a joke or a comic gag, because we never ever see him lift up another castle or show this kind of strength again!
the thing is mario has no canon stated by miyamoto himself
In the first video, sonic won. In the rematch, Mario won, and apparently he won because they wanted to appease the butt-hurt Mario fans? I find that hard to believe.
Ever since I saw this Deathbattle, I noticed an error that might've changed the outcome of this fight. I just never said it until now because I didn't have a channel back then. Btw, I'm not some Sonic fanboy. Anyways, let's get on with it. First off, look at 9:50. It says that Sonic is as fast as lightning, which is about Mach 287. Now, they eventually said at 11:00 that Sonic's actual top speed is 200 million MPH. However, it seems Wiz and Boomstick forgot about that because they said at 18:40 that Mario's reaction speed is Mach 375. That obviously faster than 287, but that DEFINENTLY not as fast as 200 million MPH. Either they forgot to add Sonic's true top speed at the end, or something else...
Well this isn't to say that Mario's reaction speed is AS fast as Sonic's running speed, but that he wasn't too slow. This meant it wasn't impossible for Mario to hit Sonic
@@HyperAnimationsYT Yeah, but if Sonic is WAY faster than Mario, who would actually win? That's what I want to see.
During those 30 seconds, we only see Sonic running straight with the acceptation of avoiding some missing pieces of the tower. Given that Sonic can maneuver around that debris and we can witness it, (assuming this 30 seconds is 30 seconds and not time slowed down so we can see the action, which seems to be what everyone agrees on) it doesn't give us enough evidence that he can react fast enough to perceive thing at the same speed he is traveling.
They say Sonic can’t stay in his Super forms for a single minute, but in Sonic Advance he stays in his Super form for DAYS.
Then they choose to ignore Sonic saying light-speed isn’t a challenge for him in Sonic Colors made by SEGA, but choose to acknowledge Smash 4’s trophy saying Super Sonic can move at almost the speed of light made by Nintendo.
They also use Sonic Unleashed to scale his speed but if they payed attention they’d know the light-speed dash scales slower than his running speed at the checkpoint post which disproves their whole calculation
It’s pretty clear this was going to be a one-sided fight
NewTruths and let’s not forget about the fact that if Mario goes White Toonoki Sonic can send him to the sun via Chaos Control
HERO999 Right!
@@HeroTheHedgehog999 He has beaten the sun in mario bros 3.
You focused slightly too much on the animation. The animation isn't supposed to show exactly what would happen in a fight, but is instead just a fun way of showing the results. If you watch the whole video, and not just the animation, you'll see that they mention cappy in his arsenal, even if it isn't used in the animation. For the 10 second Starman, it was purely an animation choice. They could have chosen metal, mega or golden leaf Mario, so the choice doesn't really matter here. ( Considering golden leaf doesn't have a time limit ). They even mention the varied arsenal, such as Ice and Golden flower. The animation isn't a showcase of all they can do, but instead just a way to have a fun time watching. Even if just one wisp is shown in the match, it doesn't mean they didn't consider the powers of all the wisps. The problem with wisps is that they only last for a short time, generally even less than Starman. If you watched the whole analysis, you would know that they did a complete research. For exemple of things that are mentionned in the animation but not in the fight :
Mario : Stop watch, cappy, red star, wing cape, Ice/golden flower, Tanuki ( + golden ), mega, frog suit etc.
Sonic : fire, electricity and normal shields, all the wisps, chaos control etc
So, you see, they research those factor and come to a conclusion using all their arsenal.
The rematch isn’t really accurate
Yeah its rigged
Superman would still beat Goku, and Sonic beats Mario everyday
Yeahight
that was the worst death battle by far they are not even trying , just striaght want mario to win and does not give acceptable explanation
gamal saad
I am SORRY that sonic is too COOL and STRONG to be beaten by a plumber
but
HEHE
that plumber rekt him :)
mario has better games and won against sonic in high qulity.
My life is now complete thx screwattack : D
time to celebrate
DO THE MARIO
(sonicfanboys crying in the corner)
@Gage Lewis Paper Mario and Mario-Kun would even rip the shit out of Archie Sonic.
Didnt Mario-Kun appear in Super Mario Maker?
You do realize that Archie Sonic is comparable to Goku correct?
WOW I HAVENT SEEN YOU COMMENT BEFORE
Do you not understand that this was the 100 episode. They did this matchup so they can reflect back on their history. Since Mario vs Sonic is a huge matchup between two video game icons, they did the matchup at a time when they were still starting out and therefore didn’t establish any concrete rules to make the fight fair. Now that they have grown, they had really gotten down how to do a death battle, and they wanted to revisit Mario and Sonic to see nowadays who they think would win. That’s why they did this matchup and how they came to the conclusion that Mario would win, since he has proven to be way to tough and powerful for Sonic to even land a scratch on Mario.
And Sonic is way too fast to for Mario to hit
They low balled Sonic’s feats and strength
To be honest, if you haven't seen Death Battles such as Garra vs Toph, Link vs Cloud, Yang vs Tifa, Vergil vs Sephiroth, Ragna vs Sol etc you should've seen the wank and downplay happen from a mile a way. They sometimes (let's emphasize on that) like to appeal to the bigger fanbases.
True dat!
Your right about that
raven vs twilight too
Guts vs nightmare as well
@Cool Loser Note: I said "sometimes"
I always thought that at some point, sonic is FAR beyond light speed
In generations, his speed resets TIME, I don't think that the speed of sound itself can do that, but it HAS to be much faster.
Plus he can dodge and outpace lasers
Super sonic himself can keep up with Solaris in combat and dodge lasers from him too, plus Solaris destroyed ALL of time and space.
Time eater too.
I recommend you rewatch the death battle because a lot of things you complained about they DID mention and answered in the video. I also think you should watch their Death Battle Cast because when you were saying “no one requested this fight”, the whole point of this video was just to celebrate 100 battles. They thought it’d be fun if they’d bring back one of the most iconic characters they had on their channel. One complaint you had also makes no sense. You made a complaint that they basically did math to determine how much force it would take for him to punt a castle away. Yes, the feat is ridiculous, but if you ignore a canonical feat wouldn’t that be unfair? You complained that they displayed stuff from the manga and cartoons, but in that same clip Boomstick says “Wait Wiz, I thought you said we’re only using the games?” Which Wiz replies “Any official material counts as long as it’s supported by the games...” that feat Mario was able to pull off wasn’t his best feat of strength, just as they did with Sonic and his Sonic Boom feats and Sonic X feats. Another complaint that didn’t really make sense is you stated that the presentation of the fight is just for entertainment and just that while groaning how starman lasted too long, but choosing to ignore the fact that they mentioned that Mario had more ways to be invincible, so did you not realize that maybe, just maybe, that they had it last that long in the fight because it was just for entertainment? Also the recent DBC mentioned that due to them choosing to do a 2D animation, the time limit for the fight they had was very strict because of how expensive animation is. They mention the power-ups so you know it’s in their arsenal at the very least because if they don’t mention it you’ll presume they never took it into account, which they have mention that they do, they just don’t say it out loud because if the did a complete in depth look at every character and took the time to explain every little thing about a character, the video would be too long for anyone to be interested.
A part of me thinks you didn’t really even pay attention to the video and once you saw the results, quickly rushed to make this video. I thought Sonic had this in the bag because of his speed, but the main reason he couldn’t beat Mario was because of how durable he is and his reaction speed was relatively the same.
Yeah this video seems filled with salt.
I..think your right
Sonic has never shown his full power and Durability test. Sega never uses much of his Cartoon roots to make Sonic use his Full Speed and power. Sega and sometimes the fans what Sonic to be down to earth in a realist way and some wants Sonic to abandon his Cartoon roots which....lead to some negative ideas (cough Sonic 06)
Mario stuck with his Cartoon roots because Nintendo knows what's best for their series.
Sega needs to Boost up Sonic and his friends and do something mind blowing in their seires.
Completely agree with you also love ya channel
Bullshit. He has too used his full power. You're telling me he wasn't running at full speed to escape from that black hole?
@@cassandrasmith9625 he was tired from beating egg mega wisp
The original one was rigged so Sonic could win they did a rematch but know when this actual wins you complain So your video is in the wrong also Mario v Sonic has also been highly requested
Fanboy much?
Chris Nowak how was the first one rigged? Is it because of one dizzy thing at the near end of the battle.
the fact that Death Battle always makes the super form run out so quick is really disappointing. In Sonic Advance he lasts in his super form for days, the only reason he doesn't last long in the games is because it would be OP. Also the form completely regenerates all of Sonic's wounds, stamina, and Chaos Energy after it runs out so he should be able to keep fighting for quite some time afterwards. Heck, if he realized he was running low on energy he would probobly run around the world a few times and get enough rings to keep the form for as long as he needs.
Hey GamerGuyd, did you here about the bingo card and the Adventure remakes? I hope it's real, but I bet it's not. I'm hoping though. 🙏
they mentioned a mario tennis thing
but arnt the tennis games not cannon
They're canon.
@@cassandrasmith9625 not really.
@@lightgivemepower6425 That so? Give me one piece of evidence that they aren't canon. Hint: There isn't any.
@@cassandrasmith9625 dude, they're sports spin-off games. Whats next, your going to count the Mario party games and the sonic and Mario Olympic games as canon too?
Light, give me POWER!!! It’s obvious. Even Mario fans know that. Except Cassandra for some reason
Honestly my main issue, and this goes for like most death battles nowadays, is that it doesnt make the characters fully utilize their arsenal and overall makes the fights seem half ass. There r barely any recent death battles I feel are fully fleshed out and instead just feel short and underwhelming.
No offense but this is a terrible debunk
You used game mechanics, you think the animation is a accurate representation, and used no limit fallacies.
Using “to please the mario fans” as an argument to why Mario won is irrelevant.
I’m sorry but I can’t take you serious
If death battle was just trying to please fans Goku would have won the second time. I mean I still think that fight was poorly done but I digress.
Things to consider:
1: Mario didn’t survive the supernova, the lumas saved him.
2: Mario’s best showcase of durability is in Tennis Aces where he tanks the explosion
3: Sonic’s best showcase of durability is when he survives the black hole.
4: Boomstick and wiz glossed over many of Sonic’s transformations and items, while Mario used a lot of items. (Sonic only used 1 wisp, and Mario used 4 power ups)
5. Hyper Sonic goes on for 50 seconds at least, which means that it goes on for 5 times as long as Starman at least.
6. Super Sonic is extremely powerful on his own. All 3 super hedgehogs had one Solaris to fight, which means that Sonic beat an omnipotent being in Super form alone. (And we’re talking about Hyper form)
7. Super Sonic also fights Dark Gaia solo in the wii version.
8. Death battle literally invalidates these feats by saying they are “hax”
9. Sonic runs faster than when he uses light speed dash, showing that he is faster than light.
10. Base sonic would beat Mario because of the speed, durability , and agility advantage
11. Also, Sonic was outrunning the black hole, it was expanding faster he could run
12. The black hole sonic was running from was made of wisp energy, was super sonic beats in colors ds.
13. So, super Sonic has powers equivalent to a black hole, which have been shown to kill Mario in Galaxy.
14. None of Mario’s ranged power ups could hurt Sonic, because he is much faster than them.
15. An example of a sonic power up that could kill Mario is Ring Time, which turns everything Sonic touches into rings. Mario’s gold flower could do the same, but Sonic is many times faster than it. Meanwhile, all Sonic would have to do is touch Mario, and the fight would be over.
So yeah, these are my thoughts on why Sonic stomps Mario. Mario is a tough guy, but he’s no match for Sonic.
...Though, nice job realizing that Sonic's power-ups are far better than Mario's in terms of functionality, even some fans of the Sonic the Hedgehog series aren't even aware of Sonic's items, and a lot of people who support Mario winning think that he's a god because of these items. He's better off using his speed the blitz Sonic before he uses the Chaos Emeralds. And Death Battle was wrong about Super Sonic's opponents using their abilities. Time Eater tears time, Solaris is physically universe level+ for being transcended, Egg Salamander had the energy of the Sol Emeralds so it is power level, the Phantom King was being powered by the Phantom Ruby so it's the same thing as the Egg Salamander. I must point out what is correct about your comment after all.
James Plays Games thanks for dropping all that information on me. Looks like there is a lot about Mario power scaling I don’t know. I’m probably going to look more into Mario’s power scaling now, thanks to you. Also, thanks for helping me see everything I was wrong and right about in a respectful way. A lot of these debates end in a heated argument. (Just look at Superman vs Goku). btw, did you just write 5 paragraphs+ about Mario’s abilities?
@@verticaldorito I have what I know saved on a Google Document so that I can have my links ready when I need them. You're welcome for me being nice, I never care who wins, I just like to give information. 😊
Am I the only one who realizes that Hyper Sonic could just give Mario a seizure and while he’s taking that, Sonic could have just killed him?
Mario has experienced flashing lights before, so I don’t think he would get a seizure. Besides, one punch from hyper sonic would not kill Mario. Mario has insane durability.
So, ScrewAttack is becoming Animation Rewind?
But animation Rewind is better.
In my opinion. Death Battle is WAY better. They create better animations. Have far Less Videos and have more variety. They don't spam Joke/War episodes. (Eggman VS Wily was the only team based one.) I could go on all day about how Death Battle is better, but that's my opinion.
Animation rewind how's the channel doing I haven't watched since 2 years ago
@@infernalbaka557
They have been improving, animation is getting better. They still downplay characters though. Which saddens me.
GreenLight Productions
The battle reminded me of how Animation Rewind use to be....since back then they ALWAYS won by thier opinion if I remember correctly
Remember Sonic fans. THEY FOCUSED ON SOME GAMES
RedRain 115 “shows footage of the shows*
They used game mechanics even if it doesn't show how powerful Sonic actually is. Sonic can actually survive getting hit by a Badnik.
What always bugged me was that they said that sonic survived being launched into the earth TWICE within a couple weeks
Mario has the super leaf, a star that doesn't run out, bam, debunk debunked
Sonic can run at the speed of sound, Sonic can be Super Sonic which is pretty much invincible, Sonic has wisps that can help him. Sonic can destroy pure metal. Bam, debunk debunk debunked.
@@alienxotic5028 I understand all you points except the last, this has nothing to do with metal
@@alienxotic5028
Mario can carry power ups and survived a black hole and super sonic has a time limit
Debunk debunk debunk debunked.
@@lukes.854 from which game is the star that doesnt run out from?
@@iregretsomeofmypreviouscom3284 the super leaf is from super mario 3d land
Nicely put together thoughts on this. I had been waiting for this video. XD
ARCHIE SONIC ISN'T CANON
So a video about two video game characters fighting in a fan-made animation was rigged so that one of them could win. Please, show me how this affects Death Battle's overall ranking tiers and scoreboard.
If you wanted to watch Sonic win, go watch the original. I'm not angry, just confused as to why this is so serious.
I am, however, on Team Mario the whole time. Make of that what you will.
I'm on team Sonic but I respect everyone's opinions including you'res so chill I'm on you're side too.
1) The animation omitted all the stuff from the research because ANIMATION IS HARD & TAKES TIME. Screwattack talks about this in their Death Battle Cast series.
2) Stuff that occurs during the fight doesn't have to follow the research, it's made purely for entertainment. Rainbow Mario can last as long as they want him to, as long as they stick to the facts during their post analysis. Also, Mario has more than one invincibility power-up, so he could just wait out Sonic's super form.
3) They made Goku lose twice, they made Shadow lose twice, they made Charizard lose twice. If they thought Mario was going to lose this fight, then he would've.
4) I guess you haven't noticed, but using reality to gauge how strong a character is is something everyone does, they did it for Sonic in the fight too.
5) Yes, if characters are slapstick & looney, then they're usually stronger than regular characters. Looney Toons characters ARE considered OP.
6) "can't beat Sonic, period'
Vrokorta C My problem here is, Sonic Boom and Sonic X aren’t consistent either, but they used them. Sonic X is closer, sure, but Boom.....no.
Vrokorta C I will debunk some of your claims
1.) That's a pretty dumb excuse death battle have there sources and if they didn't rush and had a underwhelming fight like the animation was great, but they could have did better
2.) Entertainment can be great if the fight was good, people just because the animation=/= the fight, 2011 had a better fight, the character were evenly match in the fight, while 2018 the only good thing sonic did was throw sand at Mario's face,YEAH that's it, the whole battle was literally one sided and the battle setting was horrible, yeah let's make sonic fight in a beach, were he had a big disadvantage yeah brilliant idea, actually no that a dumb idea,
also for fucking sake stop shitty ass No Limits Fallacy on Mario invincibility power up, Super Sonic attack are able to hurt Planet Buster monsters, Mario attack nor durability isn't nowhere higher than planet level, Mario invincibility power up are 100% base on game mechanics, Super Sonic isn't he has feats outside of game mechanics, so weak can use the lava heat weakness as it limit, Super Sonic can one-shot destroy robots that can endure lava, and everyone of you that says that Mario can just counter Super Sonic with his own invincibly power ups have a brain of a Mosquito, because in that logic then the One Above All or Goddess Madoka can't hurt starman so pls stop, that what the problem Death battle didn't learned there lesson after they did Goku vs Superman and Yang vs Tifa using no limits Fallacy (Yes NLF is a real fallacy its the "Proof by Example Fallacy")
3. Still shit excuse and reasoning, I wouldn't say that the reason Mario won, what I personally believe that Death Battle made Mario won because it would get more money, and they do now that Mario is more popular and like than Sonic, and the idea of Mario vs Sonic is so mainstream it would give them views like they did with Naruto vs Ichigo and Goku vs Superman heck in the cast Ben singer even emitted that they don't care about fans debunking them they just wanted money and views proof in the being of this video czcams.com/video/v61_hxm3JHI/video.html and no this isn't straw manning it just the truth
4. I really didn't understand what you just said
5. Except Bugs Bunny is consistent with his toon force, Mario isn't, they actually lied, Mario was struggling pulling the chain chomp while have outside help with the flood in Mario Sunshine, and he can't even break blocks, then in other game he was able to lift a hole castle, seems pretty inconsistent to me, and the castle seems to be small he could of use magic, so it understand why people don't consider this feat accurate and consider as a gag feat or an outlier, and even this is true, Death Battle forgot that Sonic scales to prefect chaos who did a city comparable to Tokyo, across a map, so that feat is irrelevant
6. Yeah but that just Death battle not being emitting to things buuuut...... Deadpool vs Big Head Debunks that (and yes I know this comment happen before that battle came out)
7. I do agree with them not using Archie sonic because he would literally one shot Mario like that said in the cast,
But in was very inconsistent using the dinosaur feat in the Mario bros show and using the Anime like X and OVA
8. No it isn't, Sonic has proofing to be faster than Light, multiple of times, Omega has proving it a non biased robot and Sonic boost is faster than light do to SPD is higher than the light dash, actually Mario has more inconsistent feats if he can really reacted to sonic attacks then why couldn't he react to the magickoopa blast czcams.com/video/CCe47-xAViU/video.html and Donkey Kong czcams.com/video/P_PcOo8OVoY/video.html who is slower than Knuckles, yeah Mario MTFL reaction seems more inconsistent
Even if Mario has more invincibility power ups, they are not as strong as Super and Hyper Sonic, due to different levels of time and invulnerability. Mario’s invincibility is vulnerable to lava, while Sonic invincibility isn’t. Sonic has more power ups than what they mention and the light speed things is consistent, they just didn’t do good enough research on it. Consider you have a guidebook TELLING YOU he can easily run at light-speed in base, game mechanics, statements for characters,etc. Death Battle researcher just didn’t do a lot or they outright just ignored the obvious, or used terms wrong like with his Sonic Colors running feat.
@@justjosh9353 bruh, Sonic in every of his form fucking dies from spaces on levels💀💀💀💀💀
@@user-yo1im9pi8z aren't those called gameplay limitations
They say sound because his name is sonic and that means the nature of sound or sound waves and it’s kinda his trademark thing
Cappy would not stand a chance against one punch man.
Mario would win because, he gets stronger every game because he gets new power ups and abilities every game.
Same is said for Sonic, he gets stronger too
Same with sonic😑
Sonic gets strength from chaos emeralds
Mario has strength from within and from power-ups
True, Mario would most likely win, but if they weren’t nerfing Super Sonic and Hyper Sonic, that plumber would’ve been dead, can’t change my mind.
“why would they make Batman lose twice?”
He lost 3 times
The episode was good. Honestly I can see your argument, but to me it's just a form of entertainment, so I dont really take it seriously.
Ikr
Remember in Sonic forces Sonic gets faster every second
A remake felt necessary since you have NEW games and updates to the Character's powers and such. Plus it's not like you can actually KILL Mario anyway given the fact he's a star child.
Nope the battle was still rigged no matter what you say
@@godzillamonsterultraxz4770 get out your feelings. Sonic aint all that.
@@Jojo41323 yes and speaking of which Archie Sonic is literly broken and would probably clap Mario
Yes they did need a rematch it’s been like 7 years since then Mario has had a LOT more games = more power ups better and Mario is stronger and more durable than sonic mario has also had the on parr on reactivity
I would've agreed,if they didn't use Hyper Sonic.
nah, the outcome seems fine to me....
There was a guy who claimed that since Mario defeated god-level entities such as Dreamy Bowser and Smithy, Sonic doing the same with Solaris or Dark Gaia didn't mean an automatic win. Yeah, because power over a dream realm or emperor of an intergalactic army is TOTALLY equivalent to a god of time that exists at all POINTS in time simultaneously...
Said person also brought up the White Tanooki Suit, which was explicitly NOT allowed in the video given the only way to get it is "die a lot". Sadly, he wasn't the only one to try mentioning it.
Dreamy Bowser has power over the dream world, which consists of quintillions of different universes and timelines. So yeah, Dreamy Bowser >>>>>> Solaris
@@cassandrasmith9625 so that's mean Void>>>>>>> dream bowser
Believe me even I knew mario would win. And to the people who say that the invincibility items can't stop lava. That's just game mechanics you can't scale the Character to the game mechanics. Like if we scaled sonic with just the sonic 1 mechanics that means he is not faster than sound. It was not forced whatsoever. If any one wants to argue. Than be my guest
People who say Mario isn't far faster than light need to learn that Sonic has never ran sound speed visually, which is very funny. That's my favourite example of something like bad cinematic time, or game mechanics where the characters are toned down so they are actually playable.
That was... put together. By the way, will you please do the top ten favorite final bosses in Sonic games?
My number one is dark gaia
Rigged? They have nothing to gain making Mario the winner and Death Battle had no issue giving sonic the win in the previous fight. Mario has received buffs over the years and sonic has pretty much been the same over the last couple years, deal with it.
Animation was great but everything else was flawed and Mario's feats were exaggerated. (His kicks are stronger than nukes and he is durable enough to tank an atomic bomb based off the Mario Tennis Open intro??)
Dude the sport games are canon
Josiah John uh dude, no they are not. They are spin off games. EVERY sports game is a spin-off. Even party games.
@@darksonicyt5430 in one of the rpg games luigi diary staed that he enjoyed the sports and parties
@@somerandomboi7045
"Dude the sport games are canon"
That's no excuse to do mental gymnastics to make Mario seem stronger than he really is.
@@shadowthehedgehog3113 what are you talking about
Honestly... Mario could just destroy the universe if he seriously wanted too just from Cappy alone.
Really how?
@@somerandomboi7045 he could possess ANYTHING he wants with Cappy for as long as he wants as long as it's not to physically large, which means sonic is under Mario's control until he doesn't care anymore.
@@aaronpredum9907 true true
@@somerandomboi7045 there's also the invincibility leaf which lasts forever.
Aaron Predum uh posses anything. *small goombas. Rocks, plants I could go on really* he can’t posses EVERYTHING. I’m playing the freaking game right now you know.
Sonic vs. Mario is rigged but super and hyper kills off Mario so badly
Hypet isn't canon and no
Imagine doing so in depth about a for fun animation.