Mouse Comparisons: Fnatic Thorn, Pulsar Xlite V3, Xtrfy M8, Fantech Helios, Endgame Gear OP1we
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- čas přidán 11. 01. 2024
- Here's a comparison between 5 great mice to hopefully help you choose what's going to be right for you. Mice are so good these days, I think many of us are choosing just based on shape and weight, plus some extra features.
Let me know in the comments what you think! And which mouse or mice are catching your eye out of the Fnatic Thorn, Pulsar Xlite V3, Xtrfy M8 Wireless, Fantech Helios II and Endgame Gear OP1we.
Also just a note on the M8, the grip width is slightly smaller than what I can measure, because it flares out a bit at the base and goes inward at the fingers, but it's not that far off, the recommendations are still pretty right, but I'd say that's why it looks smaller than the dimensions make it seem.
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Just to clarify for anyone new around here... I think the most important measurement for aim is the grip width, so because the OP1we has a slim grip width, it feels a lot like the MZ1 size wise, but obviously the length will make it look bigger. Same for the M8, the grip width is actually less than the measurement due to the base being wider than where the fingers go. Too hard to measure that properly, but that should explain why some of it seems "off" by looks and measurements given. The M8 looks like a smaller mouse than it is because of the shape.
And for future, I've been super distracted by learning game design, rewriting book 2 of my series, working on music, getting back into health and fitness, trying to make other videos and ... basically I don't really have 40 hours to dedicate to each mouse review like I was. I feel like we're in a good place with mice so they really don't need that much time dedicated to them anyway. So, I'll try keep the site up to date and do more comparison videos or quick shape analysis vids. Let me know how that goes and if there are issues, we'll address them then. Otherwise, hopefully this new style will be good so I can dedicate more time to all the other creative projects, which may or may not include new mouse designs too. 😊
>I think the most important measurement for aim is the grip width
That's for your specific grip with Quake. You like smaller mice for your grip but for palm grip I can't use anything under 65mm wide.
Maybe new mouse design I’m hype
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Hey big fan of ur videos but i had one question. Im a TF2 player and quake and tf2 have many similar aspects, so is rocket jumping in quake similar to tf2 if u know
I'm loving the Lamzu Thorn. It fits my hand and grip style really well and the build quality and performance are just great. Also loved all the things you got in the box, especially the grip tape, I'm one of those people who needs it because otherwise, the mouse would just slide out of my hand so I really appreciate they included it in the box.
What's your grip style and your hand size ?
Got em all, and the thorn by far my favorite!
Great choice, I really enjoyed using it too, but still a bit big for me these days. OP1 was my pick just because of the size, and the shape is good too, of course.
@@RocketJumpNinja i like all of em so now and then i switch
Thanks Rocket, great video, thinking of picking up the Thorn
OP1we is my favourite mouse right now. Both aim and comfort. This mouse made me question Your theory, actually thinner grip width feel more comfortable and more precise. But the best thing about it is that it's the same width in the front as in the middle.
I'm a simple man. I see RJN upload, I click.
Wow, well said. Amazing.
Hi RJN. Do you have any plans to do a Lamzu Maya review? I would love to see how you rate it compared to the Atlantis mini or Atlantis V2.
Hey rjn, nice video as always a pleasure to watch! I am waiting for my thorn to arrive, with my 20x10 hands and claw grip, i wonder if you think it’d be good for me
I really love the feel of the Deathadder v3 in the hand. Its at the very end of what I personally consider a good weight, I really don't like super light mice as I need to feel like I'm holding something in my hand.
I agree -- Mice are so good these days that performance (sensor, etc.) is mostly irrelevant. I like seeing these comparison reviews. The format makes a lot of sense and would definitely help newer users make a good decision among similar top performers. Shape and click feel are the most important things for me.
I previously wanted to buy a Lamzu Thorn, then when Pulsar released the XLite V3.
bro this is what i want.
I bought the XM2we about a year ago and it's been good. The switches do feel a bit on the heavy side. I switched to the G Pro X over the holidays because I got a really good deal and I like the G Pro shape and switches better. The And now you mention it the endgame gear does get oily and I actually don't like their coating because i felt like i had to wipe it down daily because you can feel the oil.
Hey also I want thinking maybe in your reviews you can go over the way the buttons click and do a test on the mouse button 1 on how fast you can click it. that would definitely be noteworthy if the mouse allows you to repeat a single click easily.
There is a new Zowie mouse on the horizon that is going to be really interesting. Low weight, unique shape, and three sizes of course (only 1 size has been released so far).
do we have a name?
@@something4114 Zowie U2.
Yeah I'm interested to see what the shape is like on that one.
@@RocketJumpNinja It seems to be very S2'ish but with much more curvature in the middle without flairing too much, and a much wider back.
The medium that most reviewers just put out looks a little too big for me, if they're really going to release a small version though then I'm very interested
Going to try the OP1we because I live for heavy clicks. I’m a recreational climber and struggle with misclicks from my podgy big fingers, light click mice are frustrating to use. Even the GPX2 clicks felt too light.
that's a good point. i learned typing on old school typewriters and thus i type pretty heavy handed and i also click with a lot of force usually. i also love a lot of resistance with switches and buttons.
Im down for u to test as many mice, dont need long reviews this kind of roundups seem great. So much to chose from now as a palm gripper but zowie shape still the best for me (za12 ec2 ec1 fk2 s2 u2) but maybe its the coating that makes them godtier, the handfeel cant be replicated rly
I understand you when you talking about loud clicks. For me it's so hard to pick a new wireless mouse that fits my hand regarding the shape and has quiet or at least moderate click sound. I'm used to my old SteelSeries Rival 310 with its very quiet and pleasant clicks with short travel distance. Unfortunately all of the modern alternatives that I've tried had very loud clicks. Like SS Prime shape felt good but those clicks were insanely loud. Those chinese lightweight ergo mouses had loud clicks too. Someone has to stop this clicky madness.
Yeah from talking with companies, I know there have been ongoing issues getting the right switches for years... many of them are looking for alternatives. If these are it, then I hope they find better ones.
try a hotswap mouse if you don't feel like soldering in switches yourself
How has your MZ1 held up over the years? I had an MZ1 myself and it was by far my favorite mouse in terms of size, shape, feel, etc. but my first one developed an issue with the clicks that made it unusable. The replacement that I got also developed the same issue.
Have you experienced any issues with yours or has it held up pretty good? Definitely plan on picking up another one in the future. I feel I may have just gotten supremely unlucky with the two that I received.
Outside of that, another great video. I always appreciate your mice reviews and have used your website multiple times to compare different products.
I owned one for a year. Around 4 months in the cable got damaged at the strain relief side used on a bungee, so I called an RMA. they accepted it and I got another one. The exact same problem happened a few months after again. I called an RMA and they said that after the merger they refuse to RMA for my country. I bought another mouse and haven't looked back. Amazing shape, horrible business practice :(
The clicks on mine were fine even on the lowest debounce though
Any chance of doing a review of the WL Mouse Beast X/Mini?
What would you recommend for a pure fps gaming mouse that is budget friendly or even just under 100 cad? I am maining a Razer Basilisk V3 Pro for productivity and rpg's or casual gaming but I want a nice light mouse for more fast paced games but spend way too much money on the Bask, that I dont want to spend another 200 on another mouse lol.
Hey RJN, I have 19x10 hands and use a pincer claw grip. I utlise the same side of my palm you demonstrated in this video. However, I often transition to fingertip grip for micro-adjustments. I'm trying to find a good shape for my hands. Do you think something like the Helios II would work well for me? Or would something like the X2H or X2H mini give me more room of in fingertip? Love your videos mate.
I also main claw grip, where I use the right side of the palm to make contact and often transition to fingertip.
I have small hands and use small mice. My favourite shape is the Hati-S, but the Atlantis Mini I main now is fine as well.
A few learnings I made:
-In the past, I used huge mice like the old Deathadder and the G403 for like a decade competitively and while it wasn't optimal, you get used to pretty much anything, so don't stress about it too much.
- Very flat mice like the Glorious O- are too low for claw grip for me.
-The only mice that really cause an issue with occasional fingertip grip are mice with a high and wide hump at the back, like the MM711.
-The grip width on RJN is not really accurate or comparable for everyone. It says that the Atlantis Mini and the Hati S Ace are pretty much identical, but for me the Atlantis Mini feels waaay wider. Might depend on the grip.
I can't tell you anything about the Helios or X2 family unfortunately.
You should try out the Beast X and Beast X Mini! I really do think they are part of the next generation of mice.
Yes, I really want to know RJN thoughts on the beastx mouse
Funny enough, I nearly developed RSI trying my damndest to get used to the xlite v2 mini shape. Which is why I still stay away from the thorn, because the dimensions are nearly identical based on the spec sheet. I found for my hand that ergonomic shapes that are too small for my hands become immensely incompatible.
Do you plan on doing a review of the Beast X Mini from WLMouse?
What would you advise for a (very) long time MX518 user? been using that mouse shape since the MX500, which means over 20 years. I'm a fingertip / palmgrip user with 18cm long hands. I had the g502 a couple of years ago, but it sucked to be honest.
I completely agree with the comment you made about buttons. Most of optical switches feel horrible, too loud and hollow imo.
please tell me, with the new cherry xtry lineup, you were allowed to improve the MZ1?
Do you know by any chance what are the best mouse micro swiches out there ? Would like to replace some huanos blues with pink dots
Can you do a full video on the difference of all the polling rate
Using the S1-C for a long time. Not sure if I should go for S2-C or another mouse. I like Zowie but wireless would be fun. I do a palm/fingertip grip :/ bit lost
Which mouse would you suggest being similar to the mz1 but slightly bigger for 19cm hands?
My thorn just came in today :)) finaly made the upgrade to wireless (from glorious model d)
The problem with the M8 for a palmer and yes we could palm this mouse is that there's no room for a extended ring finger and it should be wider at the front just a little otherwise it would be a great mouse for a palmer.
Zowie s2 is the mouse I’ve been using for years and it’s excellent
awesome review, I've been watching your reviews for a long time, greetings from Ukraine
Please review the FK2-C. I know you did the B, but the C is much better.
OP1we uses Pixart 3370, while all the other mice listed use Pixart 3395 sensor. (Razer uses the 3399). The 3370 has about 5% more drift. It's not much, but considering all the other mice listed have 5% less drift.
What about the xlite v3 es with the display? Is it as good as these mice?
Timely upload Mr Ninja
Can u recommend me wireless mouse close to zowie S1 i've never tried S2 so i think something like S1 will be better.I use fingertip and i was thinking about Vaxee XE or zowie U2 or they are not that good for fingertip,im open for other suggestions aswell.
You say that bigger companies might be more reliable, but do you have any insights about which companies have support and actually honor their warranty? I've been using Logitech for about 20 years now, got a Superlight 2 directly from them 4 1/2 months ago which has a scroll wheel defect now and they just circle around the same questions for hours, basically ignoring my answers until they cancel the chat. I'm fine with spending 150+ euros on a mouse, but would like to have it last at least 2 years without major problems - something that Logitech the last 5 years / 4 mice wasn't able to.
Helios II Pro doesn't have slam-click prevention (like it will literally fire if you lift and slam it aggressively) and like RJN mentioned, there are going to be quality issues. My mouse 4 button died in around 25 or so days. Shape is good, though. Never owned an S2 myself. It also has 4K polling for a 13 USD separate dongle (didn't notice a difference on 1khz vs 4khz and I play on 3200 DPI). Paracord cable included was trash but the freebies it comes with and the color-way and design are actually pretty okay. For the price, you have to try it if you've never owned an S2.
I hate zowie mouse.... i bought 2 to try them out send em both back (trash mousewheel) and they still use old sensors.
Which mouse would you recommend me i like the glorious D shape but the mouse is outdated old sensor problems in CS2
Have you ever done anything on the Glorious mice? I can’t seem to find anything from your channel on them. I’d love to know some info on them because I like their price tag
They are good but get the logitech g pro superlight
No Endgame Gear OP1 8K?
That's the best one I've found so far, so I got it a few days ago.
Great mouse made of quality components with no-nonsense design and software interface.
More substance than style.
What about the Outset AX Wireless vs the Thorn / Xlite V3?
i want to buy a new mice right now i have a old viper but i want to switch to a smaller mouse that is less curvy is the lamzu altantis mini also that curvy my little finger at the right side of the mouse feels weird cause i think when its smaller it doesent matter anymore the other option would be the pulsar x2h mini its hard cause you cant try the shapes of these no name mices what would you prefer
Is the mz1 ever going to get upgraded to a new sensor?
I’d love to see an upgraded version, less weight, wired, and PAW3395 sensor. I’d actually try it. 8k wired mice definitely have the lowest latency.
PS get rid of the rgb, absolutely no reason for them to be on a gaming mouse. They do look nice I admit, but they add weight and add additional power draw and generate more heat, wired or wireless. Make a MZ1 Pro 8k Wired, the real gg
Habe you tested Vaxee Outset Wireless yet?
Do you know anything about a MZ1 refresh?
My Man!
I no longer play games, but I used to watch your channel a lot. Now I am just looking for a very comfortable mouse for daily use. Laptop touchpad sucks haha. I remember the zowie f2k and the g403 I believe were some very comfortable mice for general daily computer use although not for click intensive games I used to play as I was more of a claw grip. I ran the razer abyss, followed by the g302 then finally the G-Pro near the end of my gaming career. Gaming aside... any other suggestions for a comfortable daily mouse, while gaming I did claw-grip but now I wouldn't mind a palm or palm-claw, medium-large hands. Thanks
Probably the Viper V3 Pro, very safe but still good design, it's fairly big too, kind of similar to the G403 but I'd say more comfortable in a way. But if you want something more like the G403, then the DeathAdder V3 Pro, so you get that asymmetrical design. Both are top tier for gaming too, if you ever do want to jump back in. And if you really jump back into games, then I'd say get something smaller. For comfort though, I'd say larger is better, so check those 2 out.
@@RocketJumpNinja Thanks mate :) Appriciate that you continue to provide so much for us over the years and continue to respond to comments when you can knowing how many people watch and comment. Respect, all the best 🙏 Very helpful as always.
All good, and I should probably mention some alternatives so it doesn't look like that comment was sponsored by Razer, they're just the easiest ones to think of off the top of my head. Pwnage Stormbreaker and Pulsar Xlite V3 are also very good options for G403 alternatives, that'll give you some extra size choice too. The Pwnage mouse is basically like the EC2 size though, while the Pulsar Xlite V3 will give you an option of a G403 sized mouse (S3 / size 3).
@@RocketJumpNinja Yeah I hear ya haha, curious, how do these compare to zowies in comfort? Its been years but from what I remember the Zowie Fk2 I believe i bought once to test was super comfy.
Stormbreaker is an EC2 clone, so it's great. Basically same deal with Pulsar Xlite. And yeah the Razer mice are similar enough to be very comfortable compared to Zowie too. They may lack some of the more subtle curvature for that extra Zowie comfort, but otherwise, they're good.
The xlite V3 also comes in a smaller size.
Whats your main mouse at the moment ? I use an wired xtrfy for like 5 years, want to move to something wireless... have same hand dimensions and same grip as you
Xtrfy MZ1 Wireless of course (I designed the shell)
@@RocketJumpNinja i have the m4, love the quality, but its an ergo mouse dont know if i'll get used to yours so fast... i'll give it a try next month
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I think it would be better to use a 0-100 scale rather than a Top 40 list at this point. For example, the mice with all the best weight/features/quality etc. could be 95-100, the ones that would be top but have some minor issues could be 80-95, the good but maybe slightly outdated mice could be 60-75, and the mice that have too many issues or heavy/weirdly shaped might be below 50.
It's only a suggestion of course. I just think this would better convey the message that there's not a major difference between the top mice except shape because even though you reiterate this in almost every video, there's still going to be some people who associate "best" with the highest or lowest numbers and 1 being 40 times lower than the bottom of the list might mislead some people.
pls do review on beast x mini
9:34 - 9:38 was very cool. 😎
I love light mice, but for WoW they don't have enough buttons (except that one from Steelseries, which is unfortunately pretty bad, because the side buttons are so stiff you have to crush the mouse every time you want to press them). I always get back to G502.
Yeah buttons can add a lot of weight, so if companies are pushing toward that goal, then they most likely won't add them. The SteelSeries one isn't any good? Didn't they come up with an MMO mouse with holes in it? Aerox 9... no good?
@@RocketJumpNinja it looks good, but the side buttons are really stiff that it feels like I will crush the mouse while pushing them + they are pretty far forward and I have a short thumb. So far the best solution is 2 mice, G502 for WoW, G Pro X for everything else. Corsair Darkstar is 96g, but I it is not available here (yet) and the difference is not that big in comparison to the new G502 anyway.
@@Quettesh what about the razer naga v3 wireless. weight is down and has the latest sensor and the buttons are easy to reach and press. I had that steelseries one but had to give up on using it
I also play WoW and can't see using more than 1-2 side buttons on mouse. I bind everything on kb.
@@wsgacademy5378 I have bad experience with Razer. I had Razer Naga Pro and it spent more time in RMA than on my desk. It always took 1-2s to wake it up from sleep (sometimes moving was not enough and button press was needed), I had to often reconnect the dongle or it started dropping the connection and left button started double clicking in just 4 months (3rd RMA -> refunded).
Also it is heavier than new G502 (102g), since they don't count AA battery in the mouse weight (96g + AA battery). I'm not considering that to be a light mouse.
For a short time I had Razer Basilisk X HyperSpeed, and it had the same wireless issues - returned in 14 days. Also Razer SW is one of the worst I've ever encountered, even Logitech doesn't force you to sing up with an online account. With G Pro X and G502, I've never had any of these issues, waking from sleep is immediate (like they were not in sleep mode at all) and the SW is not perfect, but not as annoying as Razer's.
I don't like the trend of wireless mice and how some companies are giving them priority, but thankfully we have Razer and Endgame Gear who don't forget the preferences of their users, the only wired Logitech mouse is the new G502, all the others are wireless. Lately I'm liking the ergonomic mice that are inspired by the EC2 or the mythical Microsoft intelligent mouse, but I'd like it to be smaller, I'm waiting for a Deathadder V3 mini or a Pulsar elite V3 mini. I wish Endgame Gear has an ergo mouse (EC) with its analogue technology, pcb specifically for the switches like in the Logitech GPRO, an mcu that allows 8000hz, and a thin cable that Zaunkoenig has implemented in its new M3K would be perfection.
I forgot to add an ultra-low profile design to the front of the mouse like on the Xtrfy M8 and the new Cherry Xtrfy M68 and M64 mice.
@@Xaero_ZRX-33 I hated wireless tech my entire life.
My Xbox Controllers often randomly disconnect and the only fix is to restart the PC.
My headset sometimes randomly disconnects for 2 seconds.
I still remember the first wireless mice 20 years ago that were laggy and heavy as shit.
But I finally gave wireless mice a second chance and I was astonished how well they work today and how awesome, free and light it feels without a cable!
It's funny to me that you value 8khz over wireless. The majority of FPS pros still use 1khz.
Usually, I am highly sensitive to FPS and input delay and I have a 360hz monitor and ~600FPS in CS2. I can tell the difference between 120hz and 240hz 10/10times, but I cannot feel the difference above 1khz polling.
Hey, im about to buy 32 inch Samsung Odyssey like urs, so can u tell me if u still have it and how its going? ty
Still got it and it's going well, but it's on my testing PC now, while my main usage / gaming PC has the Corsair 45" OLED. The Samsung has a few annoying things about it, but overall still great fun to use, I just wanted something bigger and ultrawide, and OLED.
@@RocketJumpNinja ty for ur reply, appreciate this
Hi! What mouse would you recommend for me? Using an xlite v2 mini rn (i prefer the gpx scrollwheel but mouse buttons of xv2 felt much better). Mice I have used before: gpx (didnt like the hump), glorious model o- (broke lmao). Hand length is around 16cm and width is 8.4cm. I use a palm claw grip and usually just play valorant and casual games on my pc. Trying to find a lighter mouse that I can try out^^
i need a review for op1we🥺
It's a bit sus that not a single zowie mouse is top40? They can't even beat Corsair Sabre RGB Pro Wireless 80g?
Can you please review the new Razer viper mini signature edition
New?
Razer don't have one for me and I don't really want to spend 400 Australian Dollars on a mouse that's going to sit in a box after I put a lot of time into reviewing it... if they send me one, sure, I'll take a look. But I'm not spending money on it, especially that much.
Vaxee AX Outset wireless when ?
Miss you
review u2 please.
Still waiting on the g703 ultra light😂
might want to try sprime pm1 as its the closest shape to it and its light weight of 43g
I didn't use the OP1we yet, but I could imagine it is quite similar to the Lamzu Atlantis Mini that I use right now.
The Atlantis has more aggressive curvature, but I like that.
My hands are 18x9 and I use anything from fingertip to claw. The mouse could even be a few mm shorter and thinner.
Xtrafi doesn't work with some Linux distros reliably. And they won't make a firmware fix cause they didn't make it for linux. So I cannot bother with that brand anymore. I got your first design from them. And I liked it. But it fails at gaming in Linux.
Why don’t you compare your own mouse? Is your mouse perfect for you yet?
Revamp the mz1 for the love of god
I was really impressed with the M8 but it is just TOO tiny.
its just a smaller gpx
The side buttons on the OP1we are amazing, you're capping unless you got a bad copy. The only issue about the OP1 is the main clicks, they are too heavy for CS.
Chapters pls.
If I was a fish I could swim, but I am not so it gets more complicated...
Rather obscure choices for the international markets
ur discordlink is down btw