SuperSized Insane-O 390XP vs. Insane-O 395XP
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- čas přidán 29. 08. 2024
- A special thank you to my son for the cinematography help on this one!
First, while we were at the tear down bench, a quick look at the combustion chamber size reveals that the 390s' is huge ~ 10cc. In comparison to the 395, we see it is decidedly smaller ~ 8cc.
As a side note, the 390xp is the successor the the 385xp. I had the opportunity to test the prototype "38?" - 385 in '00 (if memory serves). This is around 10 years after the testing for the 394xp. Regulations change a lot in that amount of time, hince the mondo volume sized 390xp chamber.
Next on the list we compared piston displacement differential between these two saws. If you do the math, rounding to the first decimal, the 390xp comes in at 87.9cc whereas the 395xp comes in at 93.6. That's 5.7 ccs. It is important to note that 3ccs in a chainsaw is a big deal - the 390 is giving up almost twice that amount of volume.
So, in all fairness, we gave the little saw a supersizing by modifying the combustion chamber. I looked at the timing for the runs and the little saw is only about 3 seconds slower. There is NO doubt that after comparing this Husky 390xp with a modified combustion chamber against an also insane-o-ized 395xp, This 390xp "gets with it" and an insane-o 390xp will simply spank a stock 395xp.
This is the same chain that was used to test drive the 661-c in the
I am currently available porting work and/or custom saw modifications. If you are interested please shoot me an email.
danger_cat@rocketmail.com
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I have had a chance to run the 390 for three days and it's just starting to turn the corner, this saw is a different kind of cat! very happy with the zipkit. Jack really knows his way around these saws. I have a 461/insane o monster that will give a stock 661 a run for its money and this 390 is a screamer, it will zing a 36 with full comp all day and still running a fairly dark screen. It'll be a beast when it's broke in and carb is dialed in. Thanks Jack, I will report on the 395 next week when I get some time on it.... I have had a chance to run the 395 some, it is very fast with loads of grunt, it will pull a 42 with authority, very happy with both these saws. Thanks again Jack
Jacob Mitzkus there is no doubt an insane o 461 would dominate a stock 661. Logger wade just posted a vid of a 461 insane o putting the hurt on his 395.
Thanks for your comments!
How do I get you to do a saw for myself?
Yer boy has givin it the thumbs good job young Jackson
She Cuts EH? haha!
The one other channel that I have a look at for saws - Mr Beelar sure knows how to hot rod those saws.
Buckin' Billy Ray Smith boys that 395 is a nice lookin rig there
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Buckin' Billy Ray Smith Buckin your everywhere bud
I've watched all your videos a couple times. best faller on CZcams by far. in my humble opinion. I'm also a northern California logger.
Rick hi.
Thanks, and for watching.
@@hotsaws101 can i set 13200 rpm for 372xp oem after one blown tank? saw after replacing the piston ...
@@Sensei948 hi.
How are you not getting heat form that tuner who uses the same avatar?
You can set it wherever you want. There is no way for me to tell you it is "this", and it is "this" every time.
The chain is going to play a huge role in the process.
Also, thinking that I've gone down this same road with you numerous times before. My stance is not going to change.
The link to the video shows how I do it. It is the same every time when doing a one time adjustment session on a saw that is broken in. On all saws that allow the operator to adjust the needles that is.
1st. Get the low speed circuit set. I like the saw to drop off of high idle fairly quickly. No Da Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding like what can be seen sometimes on a 2-cycle dirtbike.
One or two then they hit lowspeed idle.
Adjust the high speed circuit according to how YOU want the saw to perform.
I never owned a tach until ~ 4 years ago. I tuned in a falling application by ear. This requires the chain to be dialed in. It is what keeps the engine in check.
An audible miss at high idle will net a good running saw. I've found they will last a long, long time as well.
I've never, sans the 346 in the high winder series video, melted a saw down. I did it on my 346 purposefully.
I'm not into "x" rpms personally. The factory says 13.5K for the upper limit on the 372 series saws. It would depend upon the saw's state of tune however.
Some saws will run better at a different rpm level than others. So,,, having the saw testing done where the saws are at the same rpm is not necessarily fair to both.
You need to experiment. Because again, there is no "x". It's get the b&c on, go use the saw while listening to it run. Again, audible miss at high idle, freewheeling.
The assumption here is that the saw being tuned has the b&c on with the chain tension is set for use.
czcams.com/video/asI83G2Go9Y/video.html
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both great saws Mr Jack, glad to see you came through winter and enjoying the view of Mt Emily once again. safe cuttin pard, and great work from your assistant as well
Both saws are awesome saws. Great vid as always.
Nice work!! I really liked the 661 c you did a while back. Stay safe out there!
Great saws love the 390xp.
First time here. Have an old 288 and thinking one day to replace with a 300 series so wanted to hear your comments. And appreciate you putting out helpful vids like this!
I was a bit shocked to run into Mr.Self Appointed Self Righteous of the Manly Tree World...
Sure interesting isn't he...
I've been around long enough to know that God can reach anyone...
Perhaps especially those at either end of the hot/cold scale!
God bless you brother.
Randy hi.
I have a 288 under my bench now that will be in Psy-Ko trim at some point. I'll be able to run it against some of the 390s that come through.
I did run cousin Gary's 288 and a 390 last winter. The 385/90 platform has a lot better flow characteristics and came out on top. But, I built the 288 ~ 17 years ago so it has a fair amount of time on it. Not really an equal/fair comparison. I think in the end with all thing done equally that the 390 will prevail. Likewise, I think that the 288s will last a little longer. With a slight burble at high idle they are pretty much bulletproof.
Assuming you were you referencing another viewer/poster in the second paragraph? I don't have a lot of spare time to peruse yt and consider myself "outta the loop" on what others are posting/doing for the most part. "Prolly" considered out of the loop in the builder's fraternity as well.
You are right though, anyone and everyone is reachable. The question becomes, will they hear His voice.
Blessings to all in your camp as well on this day.
@@hotsaws101 Sorry I'm so slow getting back to you. Been traveling into area with NO WIFI and iffy Cell service. Now home again.
Thank you for sharing your experience re the two saw series.
Please head me in the right direction!!!
Just purchased a Husqvarna Compression gage, 20K Service Tachometer (DTI-20K) so plan to test the 288 and go from there...
Your question, "Will they hear His voice?" Applies to me as well... So easy to set my ideas of priorities ahead of His...
always nice to see a comparison between saws
Nice work on the saws and nice camera work Jackson. That little saw pulls pretty good against the 395. Looking forward to the mighty might saw off too! Looks like the weather is improving a little too.
You seem to have 0 wasted motion. Love that.
Nice work Jack, I think the 390 has the edge on the 385 I got from you a few years back.
Nice saws. Think you were a lumberjackin in all your previous lives the fluidity of your cutting is smooth..
Nice work Jack and good job on the camera Jackson!
On Gods green earth northern Wisconsin. Good day to you. Nice video help! Awesome saws, good work.
Very quick!!! Awesome work
Good video and nice saws!!
some nice saws. here in Lofoten Norway its gods white earth 😅
I have a 395 , it sounds nothing like that. Thanks dude
I have a 395 with a 32 X-Tough Light bar (Sugihara) .063 gauge and a skip tooth Husqvarna X cut chain.
The balance with this particular bar is incredible. It doesn’t heat up and it cuts like an absolute monster. I would like your opinion of this combination? Thank you
I'll run a 70 to 80 cc saw with a 32 or 33" (110 drivers .375). I like the combination to slightly nose heavy. Where is bar is canted down at about 15 or 20°. The "flickability" is better - balance wise for speed limbing.
Once I zipp a 592 it is a 3' and up bar mo-chine.
I got away from the Sugi bars ~ 15/18 years ago. They had a bad go with the rails (inside) being like mush. I prefer the Tsue bars or the Sugi. A bit less mass and they have the best rails.
Thanks for watching.
I just saw this reply. Thank you so much. I am far newer on my saws then you. You have probably forgotten more about Soss than I will ever learn. I appreciate your wisdom, and experience. I plunge cut a lot, and the exceptional balance on my saws really helps and helps reduce fatigue. I’m in good shape and I’m strong and the weight is an issue, but you talk about the benefit of a nose, heavy bar can you explain that to me. I’m almost 6 foot two and I weigh 200 pounds. I have long legs and long arms. I’m just offering the Ergonomics Month if it makes a difference. Thank you very much.
Wow
Great running saws you build that 395 is especially impressive can you get the same gains out of a 394?Really enjoy your vids.
The 395 was/is a copy of the 394 with a few minor tweaks. So yes it can be done.
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Very very nice
Geart saw Master
How much fuel does a ported saw burn? Is it true that's its double the amount?
Luke hi.
Not with my builds for the most part.
45 mins. to an hour of gnawing. This is about the same as the stock version. Getting WAY more wood on the ground at the end of the day. Could be partially due to my chain though, lol.
Thanks for watching.
@@hotsaws101
That's good know, thanks.
very nice
Hey Jack,
Do you ever build any 576xp AT saws?
Hello. Only if/when someone asks.
Thanks for watching.
I been using my alaskan mill with a 460 and was wonderin if using a hot rod saw to mill with would be asking for trouble..?? I don't wanna burn my modded 394 up. Im probably gonna use my 064 on the mill and it needs an impulse line and a miagi guru like yourselfs special love..lol..your a great hand at fallin and workin on em too...one day I will send you one..even if I'm 73 and bedfast...lol.
Milling and dyno run are synonymous. Not all shops' abilities are the same, so it's hard to speak for someones' handiwork. Generally, I "wood" fatten up the high speed screw a fair amount and make a cut or two while listening to and watching the screen/s. When it warns up, it will lean out some. You want a definite miss at high idle when you back out of it while cutting. The 2100/210s and 288s were the same way.
And oh yah, was wondering if milling with a 460 is a time waster? It's a good thing for me though because you will reach (at least feeling that way) the 73 number quicker as you hair goes grey waiting a 460 to burn through a run. Prolly won't be able to pull start it at that age anyway - mantle piece..... Just sayn.
Thanks for watching.
hotsaws101 done a nice cedar today and ground the chain last night and it wS all downhill milling and thee ol 460 done fair I guess
Arborist460 The last paragraph in the 1st response (revised) was coming from a place of levity. Hope it did not get missed as such. Reason is, both my grandfathers gave me their saws when they were unable to start them. Both were in their 70s' and both were grey.
On a follow up thought, did you ever find a good 181?
No. But I'm glad you remember me..lol..been alot transpire in the family here lately and just about everything including work has had to wait....I'm one little guy trying to take care of both parents plus my wife and 2 kids..and am spread very thin...all I can do now is pray my good friend...I really do appreciate you takin time to chit-chat with an ol country boy...I wish you well..and b3 safe in the woods..I worry about people I know are on God's doorstep everyday...but he will take care of us I know..
More than the beasts of the field and the birds in the air.
If you are still looking for a good 181 maybe shoot me an email, I have 12% of a plan......
what do you prefer inboard or outboard clutch? 390 or 395
Hello.
Outboard clutch is the only way to go. Depends on the bar length, wood density, ground conditions, what are you actually doing (i.e. head faller, or bucker). 36" and down 390 generally. 36", 38", 41" the above really applies. True 42", 48" 50" etc. no question which saw.
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I wish my 395 cut like that
Marti woodchip ... everyone's has their opinion ... but if u don't like what's on tv 📺 ... change the the channel ... Jack builds rippers and most find his vids both entertaining and informative... later
Hey Jack, do you want your boys following in your area of work? Was your father a faller?
There are good and bad points to working in the woods - like all occupations I imagine. Hopefully, they do something stimulating, something that they can't wait to get to in the morning and sink their teeth into. Also hopefully, something they strive to be good at. That "wood" be success!
My dad was/is kind of a cat skinner extraordinaire. He could do things with an old cat with cable blade that some couldn't with a new machine sporting hydraulics. His dad was the handfaller.
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hi jack wondering were you are located.
How can I get a hold of u cause I want u to build me a saw
Hello. My email is in the description area of most of the recent videos. But just in case, danger_cat@rocketmail.com
Thanks for watching.
how can I get in touch with hotsaws101
I usually try and put the email address in the description. danger_cat@rocketmail.com just in case.
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Nice Jack ... check out my "Black Cat" 395xp - not insane-0 d but runs pretty well with a sqr/sqr 24" bar