@@gabrielsaavedrapina9215 Lang Lang is a prodigy, he can play a Chopin etude with an orange, he has good bonds with his father (even performing with him) and he is a very emotional and expressive pianist. Don't expect that people would flock to Zimmerman while leaving Lang Lang in the dust. Lang Lang is an excellent pianist, but Zimmerman is also one too. But using Lang Lang as an insult to make someone look like an "NPC" is immature as fuck.
@@gabrielsaavedrapina9215 it's clear you don't know what actual skill is. people in the classical community who are immature and not very smart often value how niche or unknown a composer or performer or work is rather than the actual skill or talent someone has. "oh you like [insert performer]? well [insert other performer] is better and your performer sucks!"... yeah I bet you feel really special and superior now lol.
You may not know that when Zimmerman performed at Disney Hall several years ago, he came out in the second half and told the audience how terrible America is!!! His playing was dreadul all night--he pounded the piano and rushed everything because he thought American audiences were too stupid to notice. He changed the second half of the program and instead played Polish military marches! He certainly has no problem cashing American checks. We made his international career, and he rewarded us by basically telling Americans to go to hell. He doesn't deserve to be listened to at all anymore. The beautiful, young pianist he once was is gone forever. I wrote about this incident in the Los Angeles Times, and it got published, so I know what I am talking about.
@@maestro7PL I mean, it may be a pretty immature way to express it, but I understand why he holds a grudge. When he came to the US to perform a concert in 2006, the TSA destroyed his custom-made personal piano because they were worried it might be used to smuggle explosives. His stake as a Pole in certain US foreign policy decisions probably doesn't make his outlook any rosier.
As always Zimerman making such an excepcional performance, not too fast like the others do, just the right tempo in my opinion, this is my favourite Concerto N.2 performance now
😊 in terms of an appropriate and wonderful tempo is very hard to define, like pornography (please pardon this analogy), you will know it when you hear it! As a professional classical guitarist, it seems my first reaction to pieces that I am familiar with played by another is first with regard to the tempo choice. In a way, I think it is the most important decision which effectively communicates one's own artistic version of what they consider getting the most out of what the composer intended. Interpretation, therefore, is driven by this decision, and in a certain way, in retrograde! Sort of a chicken and egg thing!
In this concerto there is an infinite spaciousness, a sense of perennial expansion, just like in the universe itself. Krystian Zimerman takes time to breathe in the unending beauty in every phrase and note. His playing is powerful and extremely refined at the same time, never being sentimental for its own sake. Thanks for the upload!
The 2nd Rach Concerto truly is a miraculous concerto. It would be a miracle whoever composer made it. And Zimmerman certainly is not slouch, either. Many thanks for posting this performance here 👍
Every single Rach concerto brings its immense weight and charm along... The 2nd one is simply overplayed, overmediarized (yes, I made it up) and simply it's everywhere on concert programmes. I'd rather hear more of his 4th original versions being played.... His 4th is an extension to all his sonatas, that are simply out of this world.
This is my favourite piano concerto and my favourite piece of music. Listening closely to this movement, without distractions, takes me to a place of calm. ❤
Have been in love with Rach2 since 17 years old decades ago. Rach 3 always seemed inferior until last year when Yunchan Lim did his earth-shaking performance of it at the Clyburn. Great quality recording on youtube. Still love 2 but 3 is now my favorite.
I was first introduced to Rachmaninoff as a teen. I recall my first recording - a Red Seal album which was by far the most expensive record I purchased back in the late 70’s. I prized that recording of Rach’s third concerto. And where his second is unquestioned beauty, it is his third piano concerto that I find most revolutionary. It is a challenge for new listeners to appreciate and daunting for new performers. But it’s allure is true for the experienced ear.
I so love to feel this passage under my fingers that sometimes I forget there's more to this concerto to play. The orchestra was remarkable and the conductor was very sensitive to Zimmerman's rubato, and phrasing.
Absolutamente HERMOSO. Me hace recordar la mejor interpretación de éste concierto en mi opinion la de Werner Hass en 1974 ( Muerto trágicamente en un accidente en Nancy Francia en 1976 ) se cumplen 50 años de esa interpretación, qué pueden escuchar también aquí en CZcams. Cómo también la de Rapsodia sobre un tema de Paganini op.43 ( dónde todos recordamos somewhere in time de Christopher Reeve y Jane Seymour) Gracias por éste precioso momento.
Horowitz playing theRachmaninoff Third Cto in Dm. Given that Rachmaninoff came up on the stage and stated that Horowitz cuold play it better than he could?
Claudio Arrau is mentioned several times below! What do you think of his comment about the Rach being a "shallow composer" or when he stated that Rachmaninoff wrote "parlor music!"
These bits of music are insufferable: Imagine being in a restaurant and having your main course taken away from you when you are only half way through it!
Who determinded that Zimerman is the greatest pianist, and that Rach's second is the greatest concerto ? Zimerman sure is a great pianist. But there are other as great. Rach's second is a great concerto for some people, not for others. There are other great concertos.
@@Marcel_Audubon Now listen, Marcellino piccolo, nobody needs neither luke-so-and-so's judgement nor your own little opinion about great concertos and great pianists. Get that into your small pin's head and go out for a large breath of fresh air, it'll do you a lot of good.
@@luke9947 Oh, YOU did ? Gospel word, then. Oyez, oyez, people of the earth luke 9947 has judged, let this be engraved in marble and bronze, world without end !
Ah fringe composer who was a grandmaster of form but lacked Rachmaninov's talent for memorable melodies. Which is why no one ever listens to his stuff. And that's why his works can't be the greatest.@@teodorb.p.composer
@@Quotenwagnerianer Wouldn't use the word "memorable" for what Medtner's melodies supposedly lacked. You really don't have to look far whatsoever in his oeuvre to find incredibly catchy melodies (see HIS second piano concerto, B theme of the first movement, op. 17 no. 1, his sonata-ballade, sonata romantica, skazka op. 26 no. 1, skazka op. 51 no. 3, etc. etc. etc.). Honestly, even a cursory glance of his catalogue of works would've revealed to you how silly (and yet common) a criticism this is. But I digress. Maybe you meant the "grandeur" or "it-factor" was always present for Rachmaninoff, but not for Medtner, which is fair. Rachmaninoff's soaring melodies that seem to last for literal pages would do horribly if subjected to the same obsessive melodic transformations, diminutions, and augmentations that Medtner was so adept at. Two different composing philosophies.
i love what eric carmen did with Rach's music - in though i heard just a hint of one of the melodies in this piece. Gotta go back and look at pieces eric carmen took the melodies from for his two hit songs
I (played) this work. All 3 movements. I say this not to aggrandize myself, because I could never play it well enough to do it with an orchestra. My point is simply that there are tens of thousands of amateur pianists who can actually do this. Rach 3 is a whole different matter. I could never do that as well as Rach 2. Not that either are easy. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
Music is not about the technical difficulties of the work. In that case, for example, Paganini would be far superior to Mozart, Chopin's Nocturnes would not be particularly "great," and Godowsky's etudes would be the cream of the cream. 😉😇
@@luke9947 C’mon. I NEVER said I could play it better than Zimmerman. I’m a retired doctor. My point is the astonishing fact that (probably) hundreds of people around the Globe can play it. Please don’t put words in my mouth. If I were good enough to become an artist, I might have done it. Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
Glad you like this pianist, and maybe he's got some recordings out there, but I think this excerpt is very average. He hits all the classical piano cliches, especially the elongated pause in the first count of every measure. I'd recommend Kissin's Rach 2 for something great. But thanks for posting, it's always nice to learn about recordings I've never heard before.
I think it's a good idea to refrain from such arrogant critisisme about a pianist who does exactly the opposite of what you're blaming him for. Keep working on developing cognitive faculties..there' always hope.
I happen to like Op.18 and Rachmaninoff BUT labeling this work and the pianist as the Greatest in the greatest is hyperbole! Certainly, the composition and the pianist are excellent but the author has not presented the basis of the ratings.
Don't confuse "greatest"with the most "popular". Rachmaninoff 2 Is arguably the most popular computer ever written, and for good reason. It's a very beautiful fantastic concerto, despite what the snobs think about it. But greatest, I don't think so. Rachmaninoffs own third concerto is far superior.
I'm not very fond of this recording simply because the piano part takes too much place and doesn't highlight the genuine creativity of the orchestral part. Zimerman is great, Ozawa too, but the recording isn't.
@@thegoodgeneral That's why I'd rather listen to Richter/Wislocki or Weissenberg/Karajan (even though Karajan has his tendency to slow the tempo too much). Rachmaninoff had a great orchestrator talent that needs to be honored.
What genuine creativity of the orchestral part ? Rachmaninoff's concerti have among the most uninteresting and badly written/orchestrated orchestral parts among all well known romantic piano concerti
Greatest is subjective of course. Beethoven 4 is great, as is Mozart 20, Schumann, Saint-Saens 2 for example. All have their special moments and are compositions of the highest order just like Rachmaninov 2 or 3.
@@philinh9169 Brahms 1, Brahms 2, Schumann, Tchaikovsky 1, Tchaikovsky 2, Tchaikovsky 3, Beethoven 1, Beethoven 2, Beethoven 3, Beethoven 4, Beethoven 5, Bartok 1, Bartok 2, Bartok 3, Ravel G, Ravel left Hand, Prokofiev 1, Prokofiev 2, Prokofiev 3, Prokofiev 4, Prokofiev 5, Poulenc, Scriabin, Stravinsky, Schönberg... I can go on for a while if you want. Basically any concerto by someone who knew how do a proper orchestration. Yes, Rachmaninoff's piano concerti, just like Chopin's, are on the same level as Domino's Pizza.
What is the point of a comment like this? You can't possibly mean this is inadequate in some way. Besides, music isn't a competition. You can like different interps.
Why in the name of heaven isn’t the piece being played identified? One comment says Rachmaninoff #2 and another says Rach 4. Performer’s name would be nice too but one comment says Zimmerman.
It's rach 2, mvt 2 as mentioned in the video's description - starting from bar 119. The description also has a tagged music video from Zimerman's rach 1-2 album and it does match the audio, it's easy to figure that they are the same from his rubato and use of dynamics.
Siempre he tenido debilidad por el Concierto 2, desde mi adolescencia. En cuanto al tercer concierto aun no sé porqué tiene tanta fama, me parece una obra totalmente fallida. A no ser que una obra deba ser alabada por su dificultad técnica
Both concertos are masterpieces, but the Rach3 has the composer bearing his soul, expressing a lot of the tragedy he was feeling, and if you know his story it makes sense. It is dark, it is full of raw emotions, and at times he finds moments of resolution. I listened to it about 20 times and then got completely hooked. You've got to be prepared to go on the journey of self-discovery with him. Good luck.
I really like this movement, but don't see anything particularly special about the performance. It pretty much sounds like this when played by any top-shelf pianist. Nothing critical intended here. Happy listening.
Saying this is “the greatest” implies there is no other way to interpret this music. As if every slight change in tempo and chord voicing he does is “correct” and if anyone doesn’t perfectly mimic him they are not “the greatest”. Even Zimmerman would argue it is not possible to give “the greatest” performance. He’d ask you why you think your knowledge of Rachmaninoff is “the greatest” and what gives you the right to rank performers? You realise Rachmaninoff recorded this? You’re saying this is better than Rachmaninoff’s performance! Why not just say you love his playing?
@@Marcel_Audubon luckily this “dope” has found someone to direct and correct him. Please explain the correct way to interpret the meaning of these words. I’m so grateful that someone is here to tell that I’m a dope and educate me. I love it when random people on the internet insult me. It makes them feel so much better, and makes me feel so terrible and little. Hey look at me everyone - I’m a broken man. Marcel’s staggering intellect has crushed me like an ant.
@@whoisthispianist194I'm not here to educate you, just to tell you you're a dope. You'll have to educate yourself, and please do it before commenting again.
I am sorry but even though Zimmerman is an excellent pianist, there is no comparison with the greatness of Arrau. Arrau’s technique, interpretation, tempo, touch, understanding, has no equal. In my opinion only Richter and Argerich come close to Arrau’s mastery.
Come on Boris! Wilhelm Kempff and Emil Gilels more colorful beautiful piano sound than Arrau! The Greatest are Really=Artur Rubinstein(The God!) Emil Gilels( The King Pianist!) Sviatoslav Richter( the Genius!) Grigory Sokolov( The Giant Of Piano! The Titan Of Piano!) Radu Lupu( the most colorful piano sound!) Wilhelm Kempff( the most beautiful piano sound!) Solomon Cutner( the best structure for music!) Krystian Zimerman is a dull boring Robot! Zimerman his Grieg concerto with Karajan have cold dry piano sound! Zimerman his Brahms piano concerto no 1 with Bernstein had the most boring mechanical dull first movement coda!
@RaineriHakkarainen I'd add Stephen Hough in there. I know he's not fashionable to mention but he never performs anything which isn't technically brilliant and interpretatively outstanding.
@@RaineriHakkarainen The greatest pianist of all time is Hansi Wurst, born in 2357. And the greatest piano concerto has not yet been composed. Please be patient, it will be time for it after the next ice age. And of course, Bernstein is an ignoramus - how can he work with Zimerman?
I don't think Zimmerman is even close to the greatest pianist living, let alone the greatest ever. He also hates Americans and will not tour in the US. He's a punk.
and this would be the "greatest piano concerto"? It seems to that it is "your preferred piano concerto", which is a completely different concept, my dear.
However Zimmerman is not Rachmaninoff by any stretch. Listen to Rachmaninoff play this movement. There is no number 1 pianist of all time as Zimmerman can be a bit eccentric and what about Kissin, Agerich, and Hough? sorry Christian, you're good but not the top of the heap.@@TylerHumphrey05
Love Zimmerman but get really tired of anyone calling anyone the "greatest pianist". Just say that he was your favorite and leave it at that.
Or a pianist I prefer? 🎼🎹🎹
wow it's just clickbait calm down
I bet you rather Lang Lang
@@gabrielsaavedrapina9215 Lang Lang is a prodigy, he can play a Chopin etude with an orange, he has good bonds with his father (even performing with him) and he is a very emotional and expressive pianist. Don't expect that people would flock to Zimmerman while leaving Lang Lang in the dust. Lang Lang is an excellent pianist, but Zimmerman is also one too. But using Lang Lang as an insult to make someone look like an "NPC" is immature as fuck.
@@gabrielsaavedrapina9215 it's clear you don't know what actual skill is. people in the classical community who are immature and not very smart often value how niche or unknown a composer or performer or work is rather than the actual skill or talent someone has.
"oh you like [insert performer]? well [insert other performer] is better and your performer sucks!"... yeah I bet you feel really special and superior now lol.
The amount of hate thrown around in the comment section by people that can't deal with clickbait 101 is hilarious, good job OP.
You may not know that when Zimmerman performed at Disney Hall several years ago, he came out in the second half and told the audience how terrible America is!!! His playing was dreadul all night--he pounded the piano and rushed everything because he thought American audiences were too stupid to notice. He changed the second half of the program and instead played Polish military marches! He certainly has no problem cashing American checks. We made his international career, and he rewarded us by basically telling Americans to go to hell. He doesn't deserve to be listened to at all anymore. The beautiful, young pianist he once was is gone forever. I wrote about this incident in the Los Angeles Times, and it got published, so I know what I am talking about.
Encore un commentaire d'un frustré qui se prend pour un musicien...
@@maestro7PLNever did get why all the commotion.
@@maestro7PL Could you post a link to what you wrote about this in the LA Times, and also one to the review of this concert if there was one? Thanks.
@@maestro7PL I mean, it may be a pretty immature way to express it, but I understand why he holds a grudge. When he came to the US to perform a concert in 2006, the TSA destroyed his custom-made personal piano because they were worried it might be used to smuggle explosives. His stake as a Pole in certain US foreign policy decisions probably doesn't make his outlook any rosier.
As always Zimerman making such an excepcional performance, not too fast like the others do, just the right tempo in my opinion, this is my favourite Concerto N.2 performance now
What if it was supposed to be too fast.. or too slow.. Rachmaninoff wasn't always very clear about his markings.
@@alanpotter8680 True, IK, but in my opinion is a nice tempo, some pianist play too fast for me
😊 in terms of an appropriate and wonderful tempo is very hard to define, like pornography (please pardon this analogy), you will know it when you hear it!
As a professional classical guitarist, it seems my first reaction to pieces that I am familiar with played by another is first with regard to the tempo choice. In a way, I think it is the most important decision which effectively communicates one's own artistic version of what they consider getting the most out of what the composer intended. Interpretation, therefore, is driven by this decision, and in a certain way, in retrograde! Sort of a chicken and egg thing!
Rachmaninoff played this movement so quick. I don't know what version I prefer. Both are great. That's the wonder of music...
In this concerto there is an infinite spaciousness, a sense of perennial expansion, just like in the universe itself. Krystian Zimerman takes time to breathe in the unending beauty in every phrase and note. His playing is powerful and extremely refined at the same time, never being sentimental for its own sake. Thanks for the upload!
The 2nd Rach Concerto truly is a miraculous concerto. It would be a miracle whoever composer made it. And Zimmerman certainly is not slouch, either.
Many thanks for posting this performance here 👍
👁️👄👁️
Every single Rach concerto brings its immense weight and charm along... The 2nd one is simply overplayed, overmediarized (yes, I made it up) and simply it's everywhere on concert programmes. I'd rather hear more of his 4th original versions being played.... His 4th is an extension to all his sonatas, that are simply out of this world.
It is extreme beautiful and played by masterly Zimmerman is absolutely sublime.
I m more of a rach 3 person, but, yeah, this is wonderful and he is always perfection, one of the most acomplished pianists of all time.❤
This is my favourite piano concerto and my favourite piece of music. Listening closely to this movement, without distractions, takes me to a place of calm. ❤
This is certainly one of the most tender and emotional interpretations of this exquisite masterpiece. Plenty of rubato and nothing rushed. Loved it!
--- Rach 4 is vastly underrated IMHO --- everybody and uncle Andsnes and aunt Yuja are playing it now
Have been in love with Rach2 since 17 years old decades ago. Rach 3 always seemed inferior until last year when Yunchan Lim did his earth-shaking performance of it at the Clyburn. Great quality recording on youtube. Still love 2 but 3 is now my favorite.
I’ve noticed that as people mature in life Rach 3 seems to become peoples favourite.
@@worldmusictheory Very true, but the week before I heard Yunchan Lim do 3, I still preferred 2
Although i much prefered no.2 than 3, 3 is another big masterpiece ofc!
I was first introduced to Rachmaninoff as a teen. I recall my first recording - a Red Seal album which was by far the most expensive record I purchased back in the late 70’s. I prized that recording of Rach’s third concerto. And where his second is unquestioned beauty, it is his third piano concerto that I find most revolutionary.
It is a challenge for new listeners to appreciate and daunting for new performers. But it’s allure is true for the experienced ear.
Martha Argerich did it for me. I'll check out Lim but so far IMO she owns the third.
I so love to feel this passage under my fingers that sometimes I forget there's more to this concerto to play. The orchestra was remarkable and the conductor was very sensitive to Zimmerman's rubato, and phrasing.
Como dijo hace muchos años el gran César Vidal, este movimiento es de una belleza insoportable. 😢
Don't know if he's the best pianist ever and this is the best piano concerto ever, but for sure this is a great performance of a splendid piece.
the best recording of Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto 2 ever
absolutely.
This is absolutely amazing
🎎🎏🎋⛩️🎴🎑
2:57 what a moment!
When Rachmaninoff touch the heaven
The beauty of this part is incredible
Absolutamente HERMOSO. Me hace recordar la mejor interpretación de éste concierto en mi opinion la de Werner Hass en 1974 ( Muerto trágicamente en un accidente en Nancy Francia en 1976 ) se cumplen 50 años de esa interpretación, qué pueden escuchar también aquí en CZcams. Cómo también la de Rapsodia sobre un tema de Paganini op.43 ( dónde todos recordamos somewhere in time de Christopher Reeve y Jane Seymour) Gracias por éste precioso momento.
I definitly will visit this exciting music place❣️🎹❣️🎶❣️Thank you for the music. Your new friend Carlos.
When Sviatoslav Richter played the Brahms 2nd, I think that was when the best met the best!
This was very good too!
Richter Rach #2 is also one of the great concerto recordings of all time
Agree
Les instruments ne se parlent pas, ils s'aiment ❤
Absolutely sublime ❤❤❤😊😊
Rachmaninoff must surely be the greatest pianist for this concerto. .
THANK YOU!
My favourite piece of music is Beethoven op.58, especially played by Arrau(a true legend in my opinion).
Heaven on earth!❤❤❤
Since when is this the greatest piano concerto?
2.19.2024
lmfaooo rekt
A great rubato lesson.....
…ethereal…
Horowitz playing theRachmaninoff Third Cto in Dm.
Given that Rachmaninoff came up on the stage and stated that Horowitz cuold play it better than he could?
Maravilloso concierto
But also give Kissin's interpretation a listen its fantastic
Ugh！
Claudio Arrau is mentioned several times below! What do you think of his comment about the Rach being a "shallow composer" or when he stated that Rachmaninoff wrote "parlor music!"
Not many people could write music like Rach, did Arrau write anything to compare to this?
I disagree with Arrau although I have several of his recordings.
Much as I love the Rach 2, the 3rd is probably my favourite of all his compositions.
These bits of music are insufferable: Imagine being in a restaurant and having your main course taken away from you when you are only half way through it!
Not gonna happen! Remember, this is CZcams! 🎼🎹🎹 🎶🎶
Greatest... greatest...
This beauty must be illegal to listen for free
What unfortunate comment
Shutup 😂 its not free when you see some ads
Великолепный пианист!!!
Listen to Rachmaninoff's own recording. Zero schmalz
Greatest pianist, greatest concerto? That's debatable. Though I will admit Rach 2 probably the most popular piano concerto.
.....when Michelangeli meets Beethoven 5.....
Hell yeah
Clickbait. It werked.
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Who determinded that Zimerman is the greatest pianist, and that Rach's second is the greatest concerto ?
Zimerman sure is a great pianist. But there are other as great.
Rach's second is a great concerto for some people, not for others. There are other great concertos.
I did
calm thyself, sweetpea, you didn't answer the phone when they were making the determination, so they let luke9947 be the judge
@@luke9947 lol
@@Marcel_Audubon Now listen, Marcellino piccolo, nobody needs neither luke-so-and-so's judgement nor your own little opinion about great concertos and great pianists. Get that into your small pin's head and go out for a large breath of fresh air, it'll do you a lot of good.
@@luke9947 Oh, YOU did ? Gospel word, then. Oyez, oyez, people of the earth luke 9947 has judged, let this be engraved in marble and bronze, world without end !
Greatest pianist?
for sure
lol right?! 😊
@@melonica90 Richter? Horowitz? Rubinstein? Gilels? Rachmaninoff? Cortot? Cziffra? Michelangeli? Arrau?
@@JamesMGarrenismeListen to Richter’s Rachmaninoff Concerto 2
Don't be mad bro, I know it's actually One of the greatest
My Favourite music ever! It´s just missing a Cadenza in the 1st movement. AWAITS ABUSE Lol!
greatest piano concerto? this doesnt sound like prokofiev 2 to me 🤔
prokofiev no.2 and 3 are also my top7 list
And the Prokoviev 2 sure doesn't sound like Beethoven 5 to me. ;)
Guys, Medtner's piano concertos rules
Ah fringe composer who was a grandmaster of form but lacked Rachmaninov's talent for memorable melodies. Which is why no one ever listens to his stuff.
And that's why his works can't be the greatest.@@teodorb.p.composer
@@Quotenwagnerianer Wouldn't use the word "memorable" for what Medtner's melodies supposedly lacked. You really don't have to look far whatsoever in his oeuvre to find incredibly catchy melodies (see HIS second piano concerto, B theme of the first movement, op. 17 no. 1, his sonata-ballade, sonata romantica, skazka op. 26 no. 1, skazka op. 51 no. 3, etc. etc. etc.). Honestly, even a cursory glance of his catalogue of works would've revealed to you how silly (and yet common) a criticism this is. But I digress. Maybe you meant the "grandeur" or "it-factor" was always present for Rachmaninoff, but not for Medtner, which is fair. Rachmaninoff's soaring melodies that seem to last for literal pages would do horribly if subjected to the same obsessive melodic transformations, diminutions, and augmentations that Medtner was so adept at. Two different composing philosophies.
i love what eric carmen did with Rach's music - in though i heard just a hint of one of the melodies in this piece. Gotta go back and look at pieces eric carmen took the melodies from for his two hit songs
Who knows what the name of the 70s pop song that uses this melody?
Eric Carmen uses the melody in "All By Myself"
Barry Manilow wrote lyrics and sung to the Rachmaninov theme.
I like it when hate is the main aim of comments here.
it makes people realize what a nice person I am.
😅
Oh, bologna!
Zimmerman is truly great but the greatest living classical pianist is Grigory Sokolov. Unfortunately, he doesn't perform in the U.S. anymore.
I (played) this work. All 3 movements. I say this not to aggrandize myself, because I could never play it well enough to do it with an orchestra.
My point is simply that there are tens of thousands of amateur pianists who can actually do this.
Rach 3 is a whole different matter. I could never do that as well as Rach 2. Not that either are easy.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
Music is not about the technical difficulties of the work. In that case, for example, Paganini would be far superior to Mozart, Chopin's Nocturnes would not be particularly "great," and Godowsky's etudes would be the cream of the cream. 😉😇
Sure, you play it better than Zimerman
@@luke9947 C’mon. I NEVER said I could play it better than Zimmerman. I’m a retired doctor.
My point is the astonishing fact that (probably) hundreds of people around the Globe can play it.
Please don’t put words in my mouth. If I were good enough to become an artist, I might have done it.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
I always liked Rocky
Anyway, best current pianist, especially in Rachmaninoff, is Ekaterina Mechetina.
Thanks to Rachmaninoff and Eric Carmen for this gem LOL.
You can hear him singing around 1:53 lol
Greatest concerto???
actually for clickbait. tbh my favorite concerto are Busoni's Piano Concerto and Brahms Piano Concerto No.2
@@melonica90 i prefer Schumann's and Scriabin's but OK
@@oritdrimer4354Scriabin good, Schuman meh, i like the last movement thou
@c05.63 Scriabin??? It is like a fake Chopin...I am not sure if Scriabin really knew how write a concerto
@@PP-wp2bx I will say quite the opposite. That Chopin is a fake Scriabin
Greatest piano concerto?
Not the greatest but one of them✌🏻
Which one is the greatest then? I personally love this one to heart, especially the 2nd and 3rd movement.
@@MarcoReus1109everyone have their own taste man mine is the brahms 2
The greatest ever to be turned into a top ten pop song.
Beethoven 5
He plays some things well, others, well he would not be my favorite for Brahms among others.
Rocky II.
Rachmaninov
Composer
Glad you like this pianist, and maybe he's got some recordings out there, but I think this excerpt is very average. He hits all the classical piano cliches, especially the elongated pause in the first count of every measure. I'd recommend Kissin's Rach 2 for something great.
But thanks for posting, it's always nice to learn about recordings I've never heard before.
John Ogdon from the 60's is better. Seen him play it live, too!
I think it's a good idea to refrain from such arrogant critisisme about a pianist who does exactly the opposite of what you're blaming him for. Keep working on developing cognitive faculties..there' always hope.
@@thepianocornertpc there are 2 Gods here! Or are they the same, humble one? Mystery!
Kissin? Now you’re talking!!!
Superlatives, Greatest, Biggest, Best....Why?. Where do you go from here
Up! High! Highest! eh? I dunno, that’s deep.
Vasery!
演奏家って、こんな楽譜を読める人達のことなんだー。
I happen to like Op.18 and Rachmaninoff BUT labeling this work and the pianist as the Greatest in the greatest is hyperbole! Certainly, the composition and the pianist are excellent but the author has not presented the basis of the ratings.
Don't confuse "greatest"with the most "popular". Rachmaninoff 2 Is arguably the most popular computer ever written, and for good reason. It's a very beautiful fantastic concerto, despite what the snobs think about it.
But greatest, I don't think so. Rachmaninoffs own third concerto is far superior.
This title is peak hate-baiting and I'm here for it. For hating that is, WTF "k"RYSTIAN "z"IMMERMAN IS A NOBODY AND SO IS RACH 2 😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
I'm not very fond of this recording simply because the piano part takes too much place and doesn't highlight the genuine creativity of the orchestral part. Zimerman is great, Ozawa too, but the recording isn't.
Agreed, almost feels like they’re way back in the mountains and the piano is right in front of you.
@@thegoodgeneral That's why I'd rather listen to Richter/Wislocki or Weissenberg/Karajan (even though Karajan has his tendency to slow the tempo too much). Rachmaninoff had a great orchestrator talent that needs to be honored.
What genuine creativity of the orchestral part ? Rachmaninoff's concerti have among the most uninteresting and badly written/orchestrated orchestral parts among all well known romantic piano concerti
@@arielorthmann4061 According to you. I personaly find it excellent.
Sultanov plays it best!
ashkenazy for me
Argerich playing rach3
I love Krystian Zimmerman but saying this is the greatest concerto is like saying Dominos Pizza is the greatest dish
So Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No. 2 is on the same level like Domino's Pizza? Name a better one
@@philinh9169Beethoven no 4
@@philinh9169Rach 3
Greatest is subjective of course. Beethoven 4 is great, as is Mozart 20, Schumann, Saint-Saens 2 for example. All have their special moments and are compositions of the highest order just like Rachmaninov 2 or 3.
@@philinh9169 Brahms 1, Brahms 2, Schumann, Tchaikovsky 1, Tchaikovsky 2, Tchaikovsky 3, Beethoven 1, Beethoven 2, Beethoven 3, Beethoven 4, Beethoven 5, Bartok 1, Bartok 2, Bartok 3, Ravel G, Ravel left Hand, Prokofiev 1, Prokofiev 2, Prokofiev 3, Prokofiev 4, Prokofiev 5, Poulenc, Scriabin, Stravinsky, Schönberg...
I can go on for a while if you want. Basically any concerto by someone who knew how do a proper orchestration. Yes, Rachmaninoff's piano concerti, just like Chopin's, are on the same level as Domino's Pizza.
Not either.
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I would say "greatest" piano concerto is the Rach 3.
many would agree it
Rj
In my opinion Zimmerman is not a pianist for Rachmaninoff. There are much better interpretations available.
What is the point of a comment like this? You can't possibly mean this is inadequate in some way. Besides, music isn't a competition. You can like different interps.
666 isn't a nice number, so I'll change it to 667
You are my hero. no joke!
We are waiting for his rach3😭😭
Eh baby boy : Zimmerman was my prof in Vienna ; he is wonderfull but he is not Horowitz, Guilels or Gziffra !
Cziffra ❤🎉🎉
You were fortunate! Have you any recordings on the market?
Why in the name of heaven isn’t the piece being played identified? One comment says Rachmaninoff #2 and another says Rach 4. Performer’s name would be nice too but one comment says Zimmerman.
It's rach 2, mvt 2 as mentioned in the video's description - starting from bar 119. The description also has a tagged music video from Zimerman's rach 1-2 album and it does match the audio, it's easy to figure that they are the same from his rubato and use of dynamics.
Read the Description.
I hate Zimermann raaaah!??!? Rach 2 mid Raaaah??
hoping to see you here lmao
Isn't Richard Clayderman the greatest pianist in the world?
wrong
😂
All By Myself got from here
Siempre he tenido debilidad por el Concierto 2, desde mi adolescencia. En cuanto al tercer concierto aun no sé porqué tiene tanta fama, me parece una obra totalmente fallida. A no ser que una obra deba ser alabada por su dificultad técnica
Both concertos are masterpieces, but the Rach3 has the composer bearing his soul, expressing a lot of the tragedy he was feeling, and if you know his story it makes sense. It is dark, it is full of raw emotions, and at times he finds moments of resolution. I listened to it about 20 times and then got completely hooked. You've got to be prepared to go on the journey of self-discovery with him. Good luck.
We’ll watch for your performance at Carneige Hall. It’s sure to be a ‘Sold Out’ concert. Scalpers everywhere! 🎼🎹🎹🎶🎶🎶
I really like this movement, but don't see anything particularly special about the performance. It pretty much sounds like this when played by any top-shelf pianist. Nothing critical intended here. Happy listening.
"The greatest piano concerto"? 🙄
We can talk about other Piano Concertos but this explains about the entire life of the world
Saying this is “the greatest” implies there is no other way to interpret this music. As if every slight change in tempo and chord voicing he does is “correct” and if anyone doesn’t perfectly mimic him they are not “the greatest”. Even Zimmerman would argue it is not possible to give “the greatest” performance. He’d ask you why you think your knowledge of Rachmaninoff is “the greatest” and what gives you the right to rank performers? You realise Rachmaninoff recorded this? You’re saying this is better than Rachmaninoff’s performance!
Why not just say you love his playing?
it doesn't imply that, but you saying so implies you're a dope
@@Marcel_Audubon luckily this “dope” has found someone to direct and correct him. Please explain the correct way to interpret the meaning of these words. I’m so grateful that someone is here to tell that I’m a dope and educate me. I love it when random people on the internet insult me. It makes them feel so much better, and makes me feel so terrible and little. Hey look at me everyone - I’m a broken man. Marcel’s staggering intellect has crushed me like an ant.
@@whoisthispianist194I'm not here to educate you, just to tell you you're a dope. You'll have to educate yourself, and please do it before commenting again.
Not greatest, even not one of. He seems dont understanding the piece.
greatest pianist? but its not kissin tho
This emotional schlock is the greatest piano concerto?
Come now, it might be "schlock" but it is a composition of real genius. One of the greatest 20th century pieces of music in any genre.
What do you mean by "emotional schlock"? Explain
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What a terrible interpretation! Sergei will be turning in his grave.
I am sorry but even though Zimmerman is an excellent pianist, there is no comparison with the greatness of Arrau. Arrau’s technique, interpretation, tempo, touch, understanding, has no equal. In my opinion only Richter and Argerich come close to Arrau’s mastery.
Come on Boris! Wilhelm Kempff and Emil Gilels more colorful beautiful piano sound than Arrau! The Greatest are Really=Artur Rubinstein(The God!) Emil Gilels( The King Pianist!) Sviatoslav Richter( the Genius!) Grigory Sokolov( The Giant Of Piano! The Titan Of Piano!) Radu Lupu( the most colorful piano sound!) Wilhelm Kempff( the most beautiful piano sound!) Solomon Cutner( the best structure for music!) Krystian Zimerman is a dull boring Robot! Zimerman his Grieg concerto with Karajan have cold dry piano sound! Zimerman his Brahms piano concerto no 1 with Bernstein had the most boring mechanical dull first movement coda!
@RaineriHakkarainen I'd add Stephen Hough in there. I know he's not fashionable to mention but he never performs anything which isn't technically brilliant and interpretatively outstanding.
@@RaineriHakkarainen
The greatest pianist of all time is Hansi Wurst, born in 2357.
And the greatest piano concerto has not yet been composed.
Please be patient, it will be time for it after the next ice age.
And of course, Bernstein is an ignoramus - how can he work with Zimerman?
‘comparison is the thief of joy’
@@clarkelliott5389
a fine and wise comment / I hate this idiotic "Playing the Jury" in search of the GOAT
Pretty dang good America- hating pianist!
I don't think Zimmerman is even close to the greatest pianist living, let alone the greatest ever.
He also hates Americans and will not tour in the US. He's a punk.
Billy Joel is in trouble !!!!
and this would be the "greatest piano concerto"? It seems to that it is "your preferred piano concerto", which is a completely different concept, my dear.
Nope actually the Rach 2 is objectively the best concerto and Zimmerman is objectively the #1 rated pianist of all time in all 14 categories.
@@TylerHumphrey05 Thank you, God, for having shared you OBJECTIVE, humble point of view with poor humans like myself. I really appreciate it!
However Zimmerman is not Rachmaninoff by any stretch. Listen to Rachmaninoff play this movement. There is no number 1 pianist of all time as Zimmerman can be a bit eccentric and what about Kissin, Agerich, and Hough? sorry Christian, you're good but not the top of the heap.@@TylerHumphrey05