"She Looks EXTREMELY Uncomfortable Being Sexy" | The JBP on Chloe Bailey
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People are tired of sex. We miss pure, raw, regular talent. This image seems way to forced on Chloe. It’s killing how naturally divine she truly is.
I keep thinking artist will stop going to Labels and start owning and releasing their own music whenever they want.
The industry clearly doesn't know what people want to see or listen to anymore.
@@ithamarlowe6158 I hope so 🤲🏾
We miss real music these artists are trash compared to our old era
I agree 1000% !!!
She got into this industry being strong minded , having morals , not to take that away from her nor saying she no longer has it but I feel like recently being around all the ppl she’s around is causing her to “fall in line” so she can stay on the top and that’s how we lose so many people
@@ithamarlowe6158 the industry pushes what THEY want us to see and hear. They sell black people sex and thug culture to keep us distracted from discovering our gifts and bettering ourselves. Anywhere you see big label funding behind a black artist you better believe it comes with a side of sex, guns, and dope dealing.
Chloe should be amongst H.E.R, and Ella May. Those girls have that innocent girl next door vibe to them. That’s what i get from Chloe, not this bare it all for the world to see.
She is amongst HER and Ella Mai. They are all currently touring the same concert venues.
They’re the real sexy. And what about here sister? Halle, didn’t need Disney to be herself prior to the mermaid contract
They are also sexy but classy too
Oh. You mean she should be amongst the other young ladies with real talent. Agreed.
@@LadyIrrigator she has real talent, a writer, producer, dancer, actress, vocalist, if anything they should catch up with her
True sex appeal doesn't come from how you dress. It's simply part of who you are as a woman. The more you stand in who you are it shines through. Chloe is super gifted. She's still finding out who she truly is.
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She can start an only fans
Oh really y’all saying that to Cynthia Santana after post partum wen she trying to look SEXY for joe after the baby and he rejected her?
@Frank Sanchez OH shut up. We saying it to whoever.
She clearly stated that she loves being over the top and sexy, it’s not a front or a mask! Her influences are over the top and sexy, y’all swear y’all know ppl and you don’t! Every time it comes to a celebrity y’all wanna speak for them even after they state their truth! She isn’t trying to be anything other than who she is, sex Appel doesn’t make you who you are, she’s a sweet loving, intelligent, talented women who knows her talent, her “sex Appel” her grace and what she love! If you don’t know anything about her don’t speak on her, like I said she stated why she’s over the top many times and if you wanna educate yourself before speaking on her CZcams IS FREE!
I’m glad Melissa was there because she nailed it. Chloe is trying to find her identity. She’s only 24. This sexy side is a part of her self discovery.
So she can take a break nothing wrong w that …… the public dnt need to see it … she’s doing too much
@@faithjames8900 no one ever told Beyoncé she was doing too much when she was doing movies and tv shows and tours and videos and albums.
@brandonbarnswell8059 My only thing is that she just doesn't look natural doing it. I belive Sexxy Red and Meg, but I don't believe Chloe. It's like she's trying to fit in with the cool kids at the back of the bus.
@@normandy2501 of course when you’re trying to find your identity sometimes it comes across as unnatural but I will say that she’s feeling more comfortable lately. I just went to see her live and it felt believable. I think she needs more happy music. She’s too early in the game for the f men, men ain’t ish music.
Finding who you are is not something you need to be doing in an Entertainment Industry surrounded by perverts and pedofiles, not the time to be offering yourself as a product to the world.
The problem is whilst she’s singing fuck this and fuck that… when she comes up in an interview, she is the sweetest, most innocent young type of person ever. I’ve never heard her say fuck anything in an interview. The supposed brand with the booty all hanging out and cussing does not come through at interviews. There’s no fake sex tape released. There’s no man to be with to cheat back on. She doesn’t have the messy stuff going on in real life that matches the brand.
Exactly!!!
Exactly
I didn’t come for an act
I came for the sisters I fell in love with BEFORE BEYONCÉ ❤
Facts
That’s a very good point. She comes off as way different in interviews
You just defined Beyonce.... Sweetest girl while on interviews but her music and performances are very provocative.... Even Tyra banks noted it and found the two personalities super conflicting
You don't have to show skin to be sexy. I think the instant switch from innocent/wholesome to showing skin, twerking, etc. Is backfiring.
It's her personality. She's dressing very provacative but still has virgin eyes. Ice Spice shakes her butt in a tracksuit and breaks the internet. Chloe's like "Please want me" and Ice Spice is like "You can't have this because I already know you can't satisy me. Quit calling me". She needs to do a Willow Smith and find her true calling.
You made ICE SPICE sound so darn provocative that I NOW see it in her and I couldn't 😂😂😂 Dag! You NAILED it!
Not really. You can tell Ice Spice is awkward too, just not Chloe awkward
@@seismic6435 the streets don't care if you awkward
Right ? She didn’t give us the time to adjust to it , she just went straight from Chloe and Halle to this sexual image
Good comparison
Agreed. I think she needs a different avenue for her personality. Everyone shouldn't have to be overtly sexy for fame, and for most women of color....showing massive skin is a pre-requisite.
Her voice is amazing and her natural beauty is stunning.
You don't know her personality
@@tyrelljefferson7718 personality can be non verbal...if you are familiar with non verbal communication you would know...body language and personality are not distant cousins.
@@missbusiness1216 exactly its pretty obvious
Great response I wonder y she acting like Meg
In my opinion, I completely understand this is like "church girl syndrome...but maybe being "coveted" and intimate only on an intimate level IS who she is...or she would be able to break out of that "church girl thing" with a little more ebb and flow , and it wouldn't appear so painful.
She looks uncomfortable and out of place...thats not breaking out of your shell..thats trying to be something your not.
There was a comment that said Chloe is a product of her time and I would agree…the whole IG model vibe. Her sexiness comes off as cringe because it does appear/feel like she is trying too hard, and I think that’s why nothing is sticking.
There are women out there who are so goofy and silly and that’s where their sex appeal lies, and she strikes me as that type of young woman….and the fact that she can sing, write and produce on top of being beautiful and stacked is hella dope. So it leads one to think why does her current image/project come off so cheap feeling/gimmicky? That’s why ppl may feel it’s inauthentic, all over the place, and that she’s trying too hard.
I feel Chloe doesn’t realize she exudes sensuality/sexuality naturally and once she learns how to harness that I think she’s going to be great.
This comment here! 👏🏾
You took the words out of my mouth! She’s trying to hard to be something she already is. All she has to do is be her natural fun loving self and stop trying to be a sex symbol.
Totally agree!
That’s how you feel, and not reality. Appeal to reality.
If this is what she wants, then she’s going to do it.
You’re trying to make excuses so people on the outside can accept her which in reality she doesn’t really need.
@@MzBunny2790 Or she’s dressing the way she wants and y’all are assuming things because you think you know her despite only seeing her on the internet.
ladies, sex appeal can NOT be taught. It oozes out of your pours like sweat. When it isnt natural, it looks akward.
She tried too hard, and her fan base wasn't ready for the good girl gone bad or wild yet. Also, I think are tired of everything being so sexual.
Agreed
Sex sales 365 days
Right I like how you went from good girl to wild bc that's exactly how it went..absolutely no middle ground.
@@labelmeposh rihanna did lol but times weren't different
@Sanaaniz Hanesclouds Not to me..Rihanna went island girl, then shut up and drive, then half naked. It was gradual.
It’s clear that Chloe is battling image issues right in the public eye, but it’s ultimately impacting her “brand” and how people receive the music. It’s sad that her music is struggling because she is very talented. But when I think of an artist that I see as a blueprint for balancing femininity, sexiness, yet cool and relatable, Aaliyah did it best. The music was mature, but it didn’t overpower who she was. Regardless of all the other issues she had behind the scenes with Robert, she appeared relaxed at all times. She was attractive to men and women wanted to be her home girl… I know times are different now, but it would benefit her to have a mentor that’s an OG in the music business… they would not allow this “image-overhaul” to happen to Chloe
Perfectly said!
Beyonce is the mentor lol
I fck wit this comment 💯
Stop blaming B. Shes given Chloe too much control cause she believes in her for some reason
@@b1gflp I was actually referring to mentors in the music industry… like areas that A&Rs and managers used to support in. Just my opinion, but I don’t think that other artists have the time and vision to support other artists in business and image decisions
I’m glad Melyssa gave Chlöe grace and a realistic perspective about growth
She wasn’t on Disney/Nick. But here’s a few that made it. Ariana Grande, Hillary Duff, Jonas Brothers, Zendaya, Miley Cyrus, Demi Lovato, Selena Gomez. Chloe problem is that she tried to become a sex symbol over night and it feels forced. Also Ungodly Hour was a great album. And her Chris Brown and Future collab could’ve been on different songs. Her 2 worst songs started the album.
Coco Jones and Keke Palmer as well started on Disney/Nick
Demi lovato is a mess
@@YThis114 I 100% agree with your take, I was a fan of Ungodly Hour because it was a great project, both girls were cussing and talking sexually but it came natural in the song, it’s like she’s going away from her sound.
I don’t consider her a “Disney kid” but I was reminded that her and Halle did the same movie that CoCo Jones was in. Around this time they also competed in a radio diney competition that aired on disney channel. But Chloe and Halle went viral on youtube, so they’re like youtube famous.
She doesn't have a problem. It's 1 album & she's a new & relatively unknown artist. I don't understand how so many people have a synopsis on why she didn't sell well when they can't even name a song.
HER was the first artist I ever saw transition perfectly into adulthood. She had to hide herself though
HER has the talent on its own and NEVER marketed herself solely on her looks. Chloe is just the opposite.
@@Rocanala Chole has the talent on her own as well. If she showed just her talent, I feel like she would already be very popular
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I guarantee you once Halle debuts and become successful while still keeping a clean persona it’s going to make Chloe reconsider
As it should. The cherry on top would be Halle finding her own brand of sensuality (which she seems to already be finding), and then seeing fans praise her for being authentic. Hopefully this will make Chloe explore her own brand further because this forced ish isn’t working out for her.
I think so too. Because Chloe is saying that ppl are “hating” on her for being who she is. We’ll see about that once she sees Halle becoming successful while also being herself within HER music.
The selective outrage kills me. Chloe is 25 and grown. These men still chase after women her age and with her sex appeal. The complaining is weird. She’s expressing herself in a way she sees fit and it doesn’t affect anyone. The music still slaps so what’s the issue really.
COME ON WITH THE FACTS!! These same men in their 40s refuse to date a woman over 30 years of age, but are somehow repulsed by Chloe who is 25 and chooses to be sexy? It's a problem for them because being sexy is something that THEY don't think SHE should be doing. But who the fuck are they to be policing her actions as a grown ass woman who pays her bills.
Wtf does any of that have to do with why she didn’t sell any albums? Instead of answering the question you’d rather change the subject
Right let her do her
Sidenote: Joe said something important “We are in the microwave/instant gratification era” which is sooo true! Not just with celebrities but regular people and I see the same issue with dating.
Yes indeed
“If there’s no spark on the first date , I don’t want him “ 😢
I feel you but some are growers not showers 😉
Yup! I've always said this generation are MICROWAVE kids. Everything is the click of a button.
Sis. Spot on. 👏🏾
Chloes pivot to being super sexy aligns with her moving out of her family home! She was homeschooled all of her high school years with strict parents now she can provide for herself and that sex demon is running wild lol
This is typical for college kids as well. My dorm was a cat house fr. One of my roommates parents told me to not let any boys in our room, and I was like you better tell that to your daughter cuz I ain’t the one bringing johns in here 😂.
When she does entirely too much to prove she’s sexy and grown, it comes across as cringey since she already has our respect for being undeniably talented. She doesn’t have to lower herself into being a sex doll to “make it”, she and her sisters elegance is a part of their likability. Jasmine Sullivan and summer walker don’t bust it open but everything they sing on hits!
The greatest spike in interest was when Chloe dropped that buss it challenge. Probably the first time the shade room posted her.
That affected the approach
@@thigsproductions facts. the worst thing that happened to her was the reaction from social media for her doing that. for a while it seemed like she was posting some kind of thirst trap at least every two weeks then a twitter or video crying about any negative reaction to it lol.....
That’s very true! Chloe before that challenge was seen as the good girl that doesn’t do any of that stuff, but after she did that challenge and revealed her body more people grew an interests to that, but I also think people are not believing what they are seeing because again Chloe was growing up in a religious family background and going from that to very loose girl is very fast and not believeable
Definitely. She’s been chasing that high ever since.
Melissa gets it ! Every girl especially ones coming from strict religious households go through this ! It’s just more cringe bc it’s on the internet and small reminder from what most went through.
So every woman wants to act like a whore? Not true.
@@YThis114 facts
Sounds like an excuse to be a h** 😂
Melissa is trying to defend Chloe because that's what women tend to do. Women tend to come up with excuses to justify each other's disgusting behavior instead of holding each other accountable. Melissa was known as a big video h0e so she feels good when another girl is trying to imitate that image that she proudly wears on her sleeve. Instead of holding Chloe accountable, she cheers her on because she doesn't want to be the only women who have hit the wall and now living a sad lonely life, she would like as many women as possible to join her. It's sick!
@@HiphopPushpromo Melyssa Ford is trying to put an intellectual spin on the obvious. Chloe is definitely employing the "sex symbol" marketing strategy to sell herself. Melyssa Ford did it also because we all know, as well as she does, that sex sells. No need no deluge us with pendantic verbiage
I agree 100% Chloe was marketed to the public in a very specific way and now trying to steer away from that is ruining her career
I LOVE Chloe! And her album was really good! The issue is, She doesn’t connect with her audience and Vice versa because People don’t know who she is. They aren’t buying into the image she’s put out there. I agree, that she has to grow in front of the world because if she did it behind the scenes and popped out as THIS, the result would be the same. I think we should allow grace to her and respect the process. But you also can’t please everyone.
I think she should’ve taken the Rihanna route. The Miley Cyrus route. The Taylor Swift route. Slowly transition into the sound and look you want. But you can’t just JUMP into an image after people have gotten used to who you were in the group. That’s why she would have to show the growth in front of the world. Unfortunately people don’t like change. They want to be eased into it. If you just jump into something else, people won’t understand it and it turns people off. And I think that’s what happened here.
But I DO love Chloe and I’m still rooting for her. Because she’s one of the few PERFORMERS who can actually dance, sing, write and produce.
SHE doesn't know who she is, she has been practicing being a star her whole life and didn't live a lot.
SHE SHOULD HAVE TAKEN THEN CHLOE BAILEY ROUTE. She's not a creative artists, she's a created artist
What you think isn’t the reality. She’s her own person, and does what she wants. If she sees this as perfect for her, then it is. And what you think fails to actually matter.
@@KingstonTV334 You know her?
@@Gr0ot yeah, just as much as you do.
She's overly sexualizing herself and it's very awkward because she looks so young tbh. She has actual talent and can really sing maybe some ballads and I'm more subtle approach would help her career. But it's not like she's not doing good at the moment lol
the young female rappers are doing the same thing.
I think it's because we've known her since she was a kid, so we see and feel the discomfort. But if you watch her video where she's talking about this, she said she has a sensual side that she wants to portray in her performances, even if she is a little nervous doing it. she's a young woman exploring her sexuality. I think people criticizing her coming of age mostly makes her nervous. I personally don't like it either but I'm not Gen Z so I'm trying to mind my business and not parentify her. It reminds me of sweet little Janet Jackson all grown up became this latex goddess as an adult R&B artist.
The moment he said she was a nickelodeon artist, was the moment I knew his upcoming opinion would be invalid. Because not only was she not on Nickelodeon, but he doesn’t have a relationship with her in real life.
These are podcasters, not experts or psychologists. To be bitter about the actions of anyone, outside of yourself, is just a display of ego.
What they should focus on is their own integrity. Getting their own mindsets in order. Making a positive impact in their own lives and communities.
Be wary when you listen to another person’s opinion and remember that this is only entertainment. Not truth.
Exactly.
Let's not forget she went viral off of the Buss It Challenge. Columbia seen the praise she got off of that and tried to capitalize off of it by marketing and pushing her as this sex symbol. So her record label is partly responsible but ultimately she is responsible. You have to put your foot down in the industry, know who you are, and have boundaries on what you will or won't do. Or these people in power will put you on a path you may not have seen or intended for yourself. To me Chloe is someone growing into her womanhood and there's nothing wrong with that, but there is a way to do so with taste. Hopefully she can get people in her circle who can serve as true mentors and who truly have her best interest at heart.
Wow
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Well said!! After the buss it challenge is when her management & label completely changed her image
Putting that grown Lady in a box 🎁. Cholie gone do what she wants like it or not
@@superwisewomenmaga9727 exactly this woman is 24.
“She’s trying to be looked at as something she’s not” = this is a classic play into Madonna/whore archetypes. A woman can be or look different ways, it doesn’t have to be a fake thing for her or define her entire personality. Leave the girl be.
How did y’all not mention Miley Cyrus and Arianna Grande during this conversation they went through all of that getting older
So true
Yea but Ari does the more innocent sexy method which is more subtle and not so in your face like chole
@@basketbawll02 True but I’m just talking about the fact that they grew up in the public eye as well and have to navigate becoming a woman in front of the world.
Joe is right. I think that this is why young artists are so sensitive and get derailed from the path of true talent because they post everything for validation. Combined with labels creating microwaved artists is the cause of depression and unnecessary beef.
I think people don’t have a problem with her finding herself. It’s that she’s trying too hard and it’s coming across as being forced. It’s with the performing, the way she dresses, things she does and says. It’s way overboard and not needed for self discovery.
You’re right cuz hardly anyone would care if her transition seemed more authentic.
Agreed
She’s literally growing up she’s finding her footing her tour is selling out tho so dont let that one week of bad numbers think that was it. She is literally girls who grew up and want to change their image too quick and look grown and sexy. She’s extremely talented writes produces sings beautifully. Her demographic will change. It’s confusing people because she tried the change too fast. But she’ll be ok. Love her energy. She’s more talented than a lot people who are selling too. She’s proven she can do it well before
She’s so beautiful. She don’t have to do the sexy thing. Just be a beautiful self respecting young woman
Sexy is in you not on you.. she just needs to be herself! Love Chloe she’s talented.
Exactly!!!
I been saying this for a while this not how we got introduced to her, kinda seems like the industry started exploiting her and convinced her into whoring herself out to sell records 🤦🏽♂
No, no, no. We are NOT doing that blame the industry bulljive lol. SHE chose to go this route because she wanted to be Beyonce's heir apparent so she felt the need to go toe-to-toe with the other girls that are on top of mainstream R&B material-wise (songs about getting done wrong by fuck niggas, constant references to being the baddest bitch, hypersexual music videos, etc.) like SZA, Jhene Aiko, Summer Walker, and her own mentor circa the 'Beyonce' album era. This was all Chloe's choice, ain't no record execs making her do this. I wouldn't be surprised at all if five years from now she's blaming the industry for it though...
@@dawb86so u don’t really know 😭
@@itzcandy5896 The proof's in the pudding. Why would they make her go this route and not her sister? She wants this and as I said will later take the easy way out and blame the sexist industry years later...
@@dawb86 no offense but she isnt good looking enough to be Beyonce's heir.
Exactly
I agree with Joe on that, you don’t have to show the world your growth process. I think Melissa is a poor mentor to young women to do anything but sell sexy looks. None of us are free to just do what we want without criticism and some of us ask for the overt criticism by exposing our lives on social media daily.
Cause you don’t agree with her she’s a poor mentor?
@@Alisol96 it’s just immature advice that doesn’t often produce success. Chloe can teach Melissa more about building a successful career outside of sex.
Yea I think the full blown s4x kitten thing was confusing to ppl especially cuz we seen her with her sister in a totally different light.
Both attractive women but her sister seems to be more true to herself and her image and thts why she's not criticized as harshly.
I also feel maybe this was always HER and they told her to be the " good girl" but tht was never really her. Either way, shawty needs to find who she is musically and stay there, the audience doesn't know how to take her.🤷🏽♂️
@Disappointment Nah, Chloe has freedom to find herself, cuz I guarantee this maxed out over-sexualization is not what the label is telling her to do.
Chloe wasn’t on Disney or Nickelodeon. She and her sister worked their way to where they are now with their talent and EVENTUALLY signing to Beyoncé’s label. I started listening to her album a few days ago and it’s actually a solid start. People don’t buy albums anymore. At the same time I think the album could have been promoted more. Physically, she’s made it clear that this is who she is. She’ll continue to grow. She’s not even 25.
I grew up in church and dressed how my parents wanted me to dress. When I got to college and did what I felt most comfortable with, actually wearing clothes that fit me and weren’t to big and baggy, ppl that knew me growing up said, “I changed, and it wasn’t me”. But, it was me. And this might be Chloe. She just under a microscope.
Same thing happened to me. My mom used to cover me up or get my clothes big to where I could grow into it, so it always felt weird in tight stuff but at Chloe’s age I did a lot of learning and experimenting with my style
@@MichelleG333 exactly I was the covered girl for years so the assumption was made that I never had sex lol so when I was pregnant at 24 people went whoa wth ??? Lol 😆🤣😂
@@MichelleG333 from 19-24 that was me finding myself and experiencing life.
If you look at other women in the industry that are deemed “sexy” they switch up their clothing in music videos and aren’t always revealing. The problem with Chloe is it’s all too much and too soon. To Melissa’s point she is still finding herself and what works for her brand but I think after this year if there is still backlash from the “sexy” version of her, she will need to switch it up to remain relevant. That’s my take on it.
Britney Spears had a hard time coming out too sexy yet she did that role and played it very well fr!!
Agreed but Britney was an industry plant and used by her family and label to be sexy. They didn’t even want her to sing in her regular voice so she had to forge a baby voice to appeal to men. That is completely different. Also Britney’s sex appeal didn’t feel forced because they marketed her as an innocent school girl in the beginning which is a lot of men’s fantasies. The packaging was right at the time.
Dosnt seem that way to me. The women deemed sexy just continue to push the envelope and get more naked. But the same way people feel about Chloe,I feel about Beyonce lol. Beyonce doesnt feel authentic like say a Rhianna when shes trying to give sexpot. But Beyonce at least usually doesnt overdue it with the lyrics and content. Chloe could dress sexy without doing all the extra stuff she does in her videos. Beyonce never comes off like a wanna be stripper. So Chloes team and choreographers need to go back to the drawing board
Well there’s another point. It depends on who you are referring to. Beyonce isn’t sexy to me at all, she is just pretty. Rihanna though is sexy and has always been deemed sexy before she started getting heavy into raunchy lyrics at one point. My friends and I were discussing sex appeal and she said Halle (the younger sister of Chloe) has more sex appeal than Chloe does and I have to agree. Some women just have “it”.
It definitely was too soon. In my opinion she should have gave us bits and pieces over time. Once she showed that side, she NEVER stopped, so it came off as doing too much. Skai Jackson isn’t an artist, but a disney kid that I believe is smoothly transitioning into adulthood, at least style wise. (She got into some scandals with Solange’s son, and maybe another time) but as far as how she and Marsai Martin present themselves as young adults, it wasn’t like “wham bam here I am!”
I think she is going through that "Disney paradox" where they start marketing themselves using racy imagery to shed that "innocent" image.
Exactly.
Chloe and Halle has a true gift from God. They ‘re voices in harmony is phenomenal and they play instruments. I’ve watched them when no one knew who they were as babies in CZcams. It came from me arguing about how music was gimmicky and soul less not being classical. So I was called a “hater.” Even though I have a history documented in archives of my family being musical. I have two uncles who have a degree in the musical art.. one was a composer at Wash University with an orchestra. Another one make jazz music from his head playing piano. My brother has music videos as a rapper that’s from 10 years ago before the shooting and demonic drastically occurred as of today. Chloe is not into her skin, Chloe is not in this jezebel spirit that came from colorism that she can be a mixture of things from portraying different ethnic backgrounds to cross-over. That’s why it seemed forced. Chloe is not from the generation where men was color- struck on lit-skin complexion. So Chloe don’t have this entity in here to strip her ego as what Oprah said a”madam” to men fantasy. Chloe is with this ethnic culture that’s not exotic but regal. So, she had to sing Beyoncé’s songs while I was looking for new real music that came from the artist experience they wanted to share and not copied nor bought to rush their career. So I found them as well as a another true musical artist named H.E.R. When I found H.E.R. I literally cried tears of joy cause her music came from her signature self. When I saw her on tiny desk, I insanely spoke on it Argumentative on gossip sites, basically any comment section on how music last leg is held by H.E.R. Being herself. Then I mentioned Chloe and Halle while people was in aweee, Hypnotize of starstruck with other or artist. People didn’t pAy any like narn attention. So mentioned older artist like goapele Activism music and background still it was like…crickets. Then I let the brainwashing continue while I appreciated these new and old artist I’ve discovered that was soulful. Until, I look up and then Chloe and Halle was signed by someone with an album called “unholy” I’m like is this some kind of retribution from my knowledge of music from my blood lineage. I’m like no way this not that serious. I’m just a nobody that commented faithfully on how music has changed and therefore it’s not any attention for me as a threat to anyone in the industry. Especially whoever manage them but NOW it’s starting to look like they may have been given advice that’s not in their favor. I don’t know but my discernment doing my journey has given me the best messages while everyone being pessimistic on comparing artist. Music doesn’t suppose to divide it suppose to bring us TOGETHER.
I’ve been saying this for a min. Like it’s okay to be attractive and show talent idk why these young girls feel like they need to be sex symbols to blow up.
Sex sales.
Chloe wasn’t a Disney or Nick young star though
Nick Young had his moments 🏀
She was in the industry as a child. I think that’s what they meant. A lot of ppl watched them grow up. That’s why her sister is seeing relationship back lash
@@TheInfamousThey305 priceless. shouts out to swaggy p
@@TheInfamousThey305 This guy 😂
@@jayharris1359 but she wasn’t a “child star” tho. Everybody they named to compare her to were legit child stars. She had small, minor roles and then Beyoncé signed them in 2015. That ain’t a child star
I think this is it. Its contrived. Her and her sister had a lane of their own and pure talent that made it to be forced sexuality and its too much. She was sexy on that tiny desk concert with her sister in jeans. That was their time to shine and take it to the next level and her management ruined it.
I truly wanna know. How do you all know this isn’t really her ? How can you say this isn’t who a person is and you NOW get to see it. We don’t know her.
Exactly that young lady is grown they just want the good girl image .
I think that if some balance to it all 😊 she will be ok. I never knew who this beautiful, young lady was, but I watched her performance and I felt the same way that a lot of the other critics felt. Too much and appeared forced.
The OG's remember that this is what happened to Janet Jackson. that year when she came out as sexy and everyone was in shock. But people immediately accepted it because everyone was waiting to see that for one,lol, and she looked very comfortable doing it. i believe it was Renee, her Bf at the the time that was instrumental with that image change for her. if u dont look comfortable, people will not believe you, might as well stay clothed
Janet’s “sexy” phase started on her fifth album.
@@janeli4616EXACTLY. THE CONTEXT IS CLEARLY LOST ON HIM. JANET HAD #1 ALBUMS AND SINGLES BEFORE SHE SHOWED A BELLY BUTTON.
@@janeli4616 wouldn’t it be her 4th album because there was “Dream Street”, “Control”, “Rhythm Nation” and then “Janet”…that fourth album is infamous rolling stone cover…”If”, “Throb”, “Any time, Any place” and “you want this” is on that album….then her fifth album “Velvet Rope” had “I get so lonely” where Jane is takes off her shirt whenever she performs it…
@@ahub87 before dreamstreet she had the janet jackson album . I think that was 82 or 83
being more sexy and edgy happened so fast for sure, I remember her and her sister doing Covers of Songs on youtube years ago and they was so innocent so for me it was weird AF seeing her doing the scene in Swarm and now the music is trying to be more sexy and Ratchet she should've transitioned into that slower is all I'm saying but beautiful talented girl she will bounce back
It's her label encouraging and pushing that image to reach an "older" "different" fan base. But with her talent alone she will attract the right fan base
She's 24 years old though I don't think they told to do that buss it challenge people were suddenly interested in a sexier image after that.
As awkward & forced as she comes off at times, I’m still a fan of Chloe’s. I think she’s really fucking talented. I’m surprised her sales are so low because she’s seemingly a popular artist, at least in black spaces. I haven’t seen her be positioned as a mainstream/crossover act. But she’s got 6 million IG followers & I believe the stat is 2% of your social media following will actually pay for your product, 10K is way below that mark. This is a bump in the road that I’m sure she’ll bounce back from. Meg can’t sell albums but she’s still treated like a giant mainstream artist so Chloe will be fine
What does megan have to do with this ? Megan has nothing to do with chloe's album sales
"Black spaces" don't support their own, unfortunately.
Her sales are low bc nobody is buying physical albums and they haven’t found a way to properly showcase internet streams yet. She’ll be fine, honestly all this talk about a flop will only make her bigger. Her team knows exactly what they’re doing.
Unfortunately follower count doesn’t equate to who is actually consuming the music. I would say that ChloexHalle did not really make mainstream sounding music (in Black spaces) until their first album, but they started to gain more casual fans while performing that album. They were considered “good girls” and probably had more alternative r&b fans as well as younger fans (who couldn’t pay for the music). Chloe has gained a lot of popularity due to her looks and maturing body. But she is extremely talented and I hope that she is able to find a balance where she doesn’t have to rely on a sexy image.
Meg the stallion has 20+ platinum & gold records.. Her music definitely sells.
She’s a good girl, who is being pushed to be too sexy…She should be wholesome
Good girl can be sexy
Chloe has been like this as a performer since she was young. It's clear y'all never actually supported Chloe x Halle or you'd know that. On youtube, Chloe x Halle were more reserved because that's who they are off stage. But on stage, this is very much who Chloe has always been. Except she was a literally child and couldn't be as overt. So yea, y'all are creating a version of Chloe that never existed. She's not uncomfortable being sexual
Chloe isn’t a Disney or Nick star but she was in a Disney movie and a lot of other movies when she was younger.
Freeform, the channel that airs Grownish, is a subsidiary of Disney Corp, just like ABC so it's definitely under the umbrella.
Chloe does the most…she comes off as thirsty and she tries to hard to be a sex symbol. Just be you, stop trying to do to much to soon.
A good example of an artist with transition is Rihanna. From “Pon the Replay” to “Good Girl gone Bad”
But she looked authentic to herself in both
And she was younger than Chloe doing that too
I always say this I said Rihanna had the perfect transition , she came out she was sexy but didn’t have much “ swag “ she didn’t flop but she wasn’t the it girl , then boom she got a new stylist different producers and completely changed her look but it seemed authentic because Rihanna is already very experimental, and now look she’s an icon lol but she also changed when everyone and they mama wasn’t on social media criticizing everyyyy single thing an artist does
You can tell they are making her do all of that. Most girls who come in the industry are forced in that position of showing more skin. It starts off small and gradually they have to show more. She's playing the game.
Nah it's all her sadly
I can't believe she said "bodacious" LOL girl
It's crazy if a young woman decided she want to go through her sexy era... Why is the world telling her it's forced. Have we all forgotten the feeling of being young.....25..... Wtf.... Support the girl and stop talking ish about her. Buy the album or stream it... Simple. Let's get the numbers up
Exactly
Thank you I said the same thing she's trying to be sexy to fast the lane was set for her she went left
I thought I was the only one. Sexy just ain't her.
What is being sexy too fast at 25 years old?
@@r.johnson1170 that wasn't her image.. she was upheld as a classy young woman not all of a sudden she's a fast as lil thot
Loveee the lady’s perspective! So insightful!♥️♥️♥️👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
It comes off forced and awkward and it happened right after the buss it challenged . It happened overnight .
Chloe isn’t no damn Nickelodeon girl
Truth is Joe feels extremely uncomfortable finding Chloe sexy.
She's not "sexy." She's FLAUNTING herself but that's not necessarily sexy. H.E.R. got sex appeal.....
progress for him
EXCATLY 😂😂😂😂 he so use to plastic smh
He’s not the only one. I saw a whole thread on twitter about beautiful women with zero sex appeal meaning they’re good looking, but don’t know how to be sexy. Chloe, Angela Simmons, & Ayesha Curry were at the top of the list lol
That’s a stupid assessment of what he said. I completely disagree with your take
Yeah man forcin the sexy like a mf.. she cute😭
Naturally she’s not cute though. She has a great body.
Sexy doesn’t have to mean wearing overly suggestive clothes or doing overtly sexual movements and gestures in your music. Some artists or regular people are comfortable with this and it looks like it comes to them naturally and that’s fine. I find artists like Sade sexy and sensual and it’s just effortless and natural for her because I think she stays in a lane that shows her sex appeal that’s comfortable to her. And it shows! I think more artists need to find their own way of conveying sex appeal that isn’t so forced. I think Chloe, just like many young ladies, is still finding herself, and she should be given the grace to do so without all the judgement. She’ll find a lane that suits her and she feels more comfortable in in her own time.
A couple of things. I'm glad Melissa gave her perspective since she's a woman. I agree with Melissa when she says Chloe is being her authentic self. Being authentic doesn't necessarily mean smooth. Chloe has got to be left alone and given the grace to be herself. Let her figure out it.
I also feel there's very little middle ground for young Black female singers. So many are dropping it, bussin' it, and twerking. I get why Chloe's doing it. She's a product of her time.
Very valid point
The equivalent of this is being a nerdy kid from the suburbs but you always admired hood things your whole life. Then getting grown enough to make your own decisions and then choosing to go hang out in the hood and with gangs and etc. except everyone is looking at you like you don’t belong because your known for being from the suburbs and a nerd .
That's a bit extreme lol. I say that because growing into an adult you in fact CAN become a very sexual person naturally, doesn't matter how you were raised or where. Thing is, it's more like confidence versus arrogance/cockiness. A confident person feels self-assured about who they are when they walk in any room. A cocky person is going in the room trying to prove to everyone in it they're what they want you to believe they are. Chloe's doing that and SHE doesn't even really believe it. She's misguided...
Interesting take
I get what you mean,lol that was me , I was nerdy suburb girl ,and once I left home I tried to be umm... different,lol
I always stood out, even when I tried not too.
The moral of the story is be yourself ..
Chole Biggest problem It's the same problem some wrestlers go through when they were in a tag team their whole entire career. And then they try to become a singles star And find out 50% of the work of a tag team is easier than 100% percent as a solo star then as a solo star they try to find themselves But they find themselves still trying to do a tag team style as a solo, so the first mistake is changing the gimmick or persona to far from what they are use too and that change is normally too Drastic which can confuse your fan base and the fan base can see through the BS, She's in the career limbo where she's trying to be two different things at once and that's the problem
Ask Edge
@@samuelrigaud6595 he became a great solo star
Totally agree. I had this conversation with a few people about the inauthenticity and hypersexuality.
MOST PEOPLE ARE BEING HYPOCRITICAL..YALL PRAISED HER DOING THE "BUSSIT " challenge NOW YALL TEARING THE GIRL DOWN SMH
This somewhat seems like identity politics when there’s a lot of women who struggle with embracing their sexuality. A lot of women are beautiful and sexy but don’t know how to carry it just yet.
Yooo the intro on today’s Pod was sick asf! I was thinking its no way you play the Jay track without Drake 🔥🔥🔥🔥 I love Saturdays
Miley Cyrus did the same thing when she made the transition from Hannah Montana to who she is now... when she did song with Mike Will made-it
growing pains are real. must be a mindfuck to do it with an audience.
Melyssa going introspective/retrospective
She can’t help what she looks like it’s just the masses that want the persona to match
No. She can look just like that and not make it a point to push that angle. No one TOLD her start posting thirst traps almost weekly on IG or doing hypersexual music videos. She chose to do so because she wants to be the 'IT' girl.
@@dawb86so when Halle posts herself in a thong bikini it’s ok b ur when Chloe does it... “thirst trap” all cuz of their body shape. Y’all need to stop policing this 24 ur old, she looks good and it’s ok to show it. She don’t work out for nothing
What trips me out about the 40 year old hip hop demographic is that they never gave a fuck about ChloexHalle and never listened to their music outside of maybe Do It. They don't give a fuck about Chloe's music because it doesn't appeal to them, as expected. So why even try to tackle a topic of "what went wrong" with her first week sales and try to pin it on her grown ass decision to express her sexiness? And who gives a fuck if it's forced to people who don't believe it and aren't trying to receive it in the first place?
She's headlining a sold out tour performing in the same venues as artists who sold 30-50k their first week this past year. That's where she is making her real money...from shows, not streams. They won't speak on that though.
I'm so glad somebody said this!! Thank you!! My view of it is all of these people that are talkin bad about Chloe but saying that she's so talented where were these people when Chloe and Halle first two projects dropped? No one boosted their sales then but have everything in the world to say now? Please Chloe will and is just fine.
@@arielmcfadden644 They weren't around because they didn't care. Their most commercial album was Ths Ungodly Hour and most of them didn't even listen to that. It only sold 20k its first week and still isn't even certified gold. The only things that they knew about them up until a few years ago were Do It and The Little Mermaid. Thet weren't even being posted in blogs. Tbh, they didn't even start getting posted until the Verizon performance and that was because people were gagging over Chloe's stage presence. They loved her extraness then. Then they really started getting talked about more when they made their individual pages and it was moreso because people gravitated to Chloe, but Chloe committed the ultimate crime of flaunting her body too much as a grown ass woman I guess. How dare she make grown men, who only followed her page because of her looks, uncomfortable by showing too much of her body?
This!!
I see where Melyssa is coming from. Chloe is still trying to find herself. I personally don’t think she’s reached the life experience level yet to exude sex appeal. She still comes off little girlish and that’s okay. Nothing wrong w that. Rihanna came out with her good girl gone bad thing and it was BELIEVABLE. She exuded sexy naturally. But Rihanna had also been in committed relationships since 16-17 with Chris. Experiencing adult things and probably having consistent sex. Speaking from experience myself, things like that can help you come into your ‘womanhood’. I think Chloe just needs to experience more things. I don’t even think she drinks.
I've been saying the same as Melissa. I think she's very comfortable in her skin and in her presentation. I think the public hasn't caught on yet. They want her to still play little girl and she's really out here dating rappers and being a grown woman doing grown woman things.
exactly
To Joe’s point Zendaya tried the music route, didn’t flourish as maybe expected, then became an all time great actress
I'm so happy somebody else finally said it. I thought I was the only one.
As a man Melissa is a woman I'll just say she's right
Halle on the other hand is going to stay too herself and she’s the one we need to look out for .. just wait on it ! Chloe’s album is a banger tho .. sounds like a platinum album to me 🧐
7:52 joe thank you for speaking up. I was like is nobody seeing this?
i think the overarching issue with both chloe and halle is that they grew up so sheltered. they are the perfect examples of “i was homeschooled and now im in college wylin out”. she is 25 experiencing fame and also coming of age things under the lime light which isnt always the best combination. even with halle shes dating a complete asshole who gets off on purposely humiliating her on social media yet she blindly stands by him (and is potentially pregnant). had this been halle 2nd or 3rd serious relationship and not her 1st, theres a high chance they wouldve never got this far and she honestly wouleve never got with him in the first place.
im not gonna say their parents did them a disservice but….i think alot of their downfall are due to the fact that they are so inexperienced in life outside of working.
No truer words have ever been spoken by Joe Budden!!!!
it sounds and looks awkward
All facts about Chloe. And that last take was definitely referring to Cardi B...and those like her.
Cut-Off Joe, is BACK*lmaooo*...!!
All that smoke for a young woman 30 years younger than him is insane
I bought 9,999 copies of her album
1. Chloe is not a Disney/Nick star
2. She HAD A fan base in the R&B -Neo soul demographic. They could open for a Fantasia/Beyoncé/HER. That is Mr Fantastic reach from what this solo music is. The money is the audience
they've had fans who've been around since their early teens is the point he was making with that comment...
@Malcolm Xavier you missed the point. Disney/Nick star meaning child actor/singer who we've seen "grow up" in the public eye. We've seen Chloe "grow up" in front of us. That's why people aren't buying the radical shift of her brand from child/teen pop-star/r&b singer and actor, to super adult mature singer/actress even though she is 24 years old. The problem is, is that it was such a radical shift, and not a gradual one.
Prime example of it being done right is Mariah Carey. Look at her earlier albums. First 3 albums she was in young adult pop genre. She was 19 years old when she released her first album and she was marketed as such. But the shift from pop to adult r&b/urban contemporary started with Daydream. She started having features by rappers, her image became more adult oriented, and her sound was more soulful and sensual and less poppy. Then with Butterfly, it was full on "sexy time" Mariah Carey. The transition was complete, people had bought into it because we saw it coming, and it was a gradual shift. It's not happening like that with Chloe Baily. It's just an abrupt lane shift and you didn't give people enough time to see the transition and get use to what was going to be the "new norm".
@@FreePlayMode #1 is only to state that that mega machine wasn’t behind Chloe and Hailey. That’s it. It’s a different game altogether. I disagree with Joe and I’d say the Disney/Nick kids have hit more than missed. Ariana Grande, Selena Gomez, Olivia, just to name a current few.
Chloe and Halle won season 5 of Radio Disneys NBT (Next Big Thing) show and were later featured on another of their shows
Same with Janet as Mariah. On 'Control' she was still singing songs like "Let's Wait Awhile" but hinting at her young sexual awakening with "Funny How Time Flies." Next album, doing more love songs and ballads and not even pushing the sexual angle that hard. When she got to the 'Janet' album, that's when she came with "If" and "Anytime Anyplace" and it was made clear that she was a grown woman with experience on record. By the time she got to 'Velvet Rope' Janet was just all the way out there with it lol. With Chloe, it's like we were expecting her 'Control' but she just lept straight to Velvet Rope..... 😂
I feel like she wasn’t promoted enough. I like her and I had no idea her album came out.
I think the problem is they trying to push her as the next Beyonce.
Chlöe is a STAR!!! Tour is sold out two weeks after dropping her first solo album. Watch the concert clips. Her fans are lit!!! She's only going to get bigger and better. Hope she pays all these hating outlets dust!
Sold out your buy the venues are small. It’s still an accomplishment tho
Those 1k venues . Come on man. That’s nothing
@@bigazTV And what room can you sell out? Chloe just started! Y’all are so hard on her. Everyone has to start from somewhere and that’s with small venues. You can’t just start singing today then blow up tomorrow. You’re witnessing an icon in the making.
@@byMichaeltavon everyone starts somewhere, venue size doesn't matter...still sold out.
@@bigazTV most people's favorite rappers can't sell out 1k venues...
A lot ppl liked the songs she remixed on Praise This. I think she should finish her tour & take time out to rebrand. Let her sis carry them for the next cpl years. Halle’s sound is more authentic. ❤
What Halle sound? She ain’t released no music and authentic cuz it’s the same shit she gave y’all in the group? I’m prouder of Chloe for going outside the box and daring to take risks and be different than go the same old route😉 Halles snippets all sound like the same boring shit. She’s going to flop even w the little mermaid and the color purple backing which will be even worse
Then pay attention to Halle. But Chloe has fans who love what she brings, which is why her tour has sold out dates.
Yeah I said that too like I feel like Chloe’s sound was in the movie praise this with the little snippets and demo mixes they have of her in there.
@@TClark777 yes never said she didn’t have fans, I’m still a fan & have an opinions. Every artist rebrands.
Boyyyy music is just not gone sale the same. The “star” and “celebrity” of our childhood is dead. We all think we stars now so sometimes we not really going out or way as much to support who we do say we admire. Shout out to the JBP
This conversation was a mess and it was all over the place. 😊😊😊
Her come solo career is very similar to Janet Jackson. No one like to hear Beyoncé awkwardly cuss either but I don’t hear anyone complaining. everyone has multiple sides. She doesn’t have to be slutted out in real life to give off sexy. I think she’s very sexy it’s all about opinion at this point
neyonce gradually worked her way through it though thats what Chloe should bw doing but Beyonce also didnt grow up in an era where u feel like you HAVE to be the sexually empowered bad bitch so she could take her time,Chloe is a sweetheart she just needs time to figure herself out
Beyonce is a highly balanced and transparent individual whom is extremely easy to understand and connect with. She can get away with being vulgar silly and gracious at any given time because she is highly understood and respected. Nothing is forced, but chloe is an extremely forced corny exaggeration of womanhood, and it comes across as not only try hard but also very awkward ignorant ghetto.
@@YThis114 Nah, chloes level of raunchy is Self Titled beyonce. Not Sasha fierce. Actually the treat me video is very bet uncut. Chloe has already surpassed beyonce in vulgarity and thats says a lot for a debuting artist, already worse than cardi b nikki and Meagan. Chloes solo career is keri hilson 2.0 it will not last long. The unnecessary profanity, a X scene, instagram post that look like onlyfans, a song about fngering yurself, licking the mic. Smh
@@YThis114 I knew chloe was LOST when she posted that random thot video of her linking and sucking a lolipop.
@@YThis114 perfectly said!!! 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I love joe but sometimes he don’t do his homework before he speaks on things as a fact and that is not a good look
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽 yup Melissa said exactly what I’ve been saying. Well said boo
People think just because an artist is in front of your face all the time means it’s going mean good album sales and that ain’t always the case , I barely ever hear people talking about her music it’s always social media gossip or when she twerking or showing off her body
She's more famous to black folks
@@samuelrigaud6595 I don’t never hear people talk about her new music it’s always about what she was wearing or doing on a tv show