I HAD A MONOCHROM CAMERA ALL ALONG! | Nikon D800 | Sebastian Oakley
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Housekeeping: I state in the first 40 seconds that I'm using a JPEG Preset of the Monochrome picture profile setting in the Nikon D800. I understand this STILL has its Bayer filter. - Thank You!
Seems there are a lot of confused people here. I work for a manufacturer of cameras, both colour models and what we call "monochrome".
Let's clear it up: a colour sensor can output a black and white image, in fact all of the original digital numbers are a grayscale originally anyway - it's simply the debayer algorithm which applies a colour (appropriate to the optical bayer filter over each pixel) and interpolates colour to neighbouring pixels.
A "monochrome" sensor is not monochromatic. It is in fact panchromatic, just as visible spectrum black and white film is. There are no colour filters applied on the pixels and therefore the image is sharper and is not interpolated in any way. Unlike black and white film which typically has sensitivity in the UV - VIS wavelengths, a CCD or CMOS typically has sensitivity in the VIS-NIR wavelengths, however some newer back-side illuminated sensors have good UV sensitivity too.
A "monochrome" sensor has native sensitivity to NIR wavelengths, but they can also have a cover glass applied on the sensor which blocks NIR wavelengths. The Leica monochrome does not, but has an optional NIR & UV blocking filter which limits sensitivity to the VIS wavelengths - or what film users understand as "panchromatic".
A colour camera with a personalised desaturation on the colour channels is not what is commonly understood as monochrome, and it suffers from the inherent lack of optical resolution at the pixel that a colour camera suffers from. There IS a difference.
I don't think I ever said this was BETTER than a fully Monochrome sensor camera. This video is merely to show I can shoot in a "preset" and still enjoy shooting it, this time in black and white.
While I fully understand your point and know your reasoning behind your very long, and expertly laidout comment - I know there is a difference, but not everyone can AFFORD the difference.
@@SebastianOakley Your title "I HAD A MONOCHROM CAMERA ALL ALONG!"
Now you say "I don't think I ever said this was BETTER than a fully Monochrome sensor camera"
It's correct that you never said what you have is better than a monochrome camera, you said it IS a monochrome camera.
It's shooting a black and white image preset that Nikon themselves call Monochrome - don't hate the player, hate the game
@@SebastianOakley now you’re describing a monochrome setting. I agree your camera has a monochrome setting. But it’s still not accurate to call it a monochrome camera.
The reason is because some cameras exist with monochrome sensors and these are commonly called monochrome cameras.
Personally when I read your title I thought the video was going to be about removing the color filter.
So the subtle differences in language are causing all the buzz in the comments.
Pinned comment explains all.
You're going to get a lot of comments about bayer filters because of your video title. "I Had a Monochrom Camera All Along" really suggests you're getting everything advantageous about a sensor without a bayer filter, and that's just not the case here. There's nothing *wrong* with that, and your perspective and experience shooting monochrome with a color camera is still valuable. But, you're setting viewers up for frustration when they get randomly recommended your video in the sidebar and it's not what they expected. I'm not familiar with Nikon cameras or your channel, and when I clicked I was hoping this was going to be about some easy way to debayer because there was something special about this camera that allowed that based on the title.
I will take onboard your comments, but I clearly stated at the beginning of the video that this is a "Jpeg Preset of the monochrome picture profile".
If people don't like it after that then they can turn off of they so wish.
You can do what you like with the settings; you still have a Bayer filter in front of your sensor, which means you do not have the full spatial resolution for the full color spectrum.
In aerial work I have had D800s modified to have the Bayer filter removed - It can become a true monochrome camera.
It is also possible to have the IR filter removed to use it as a true IR sensor, using the appropriate deep-red filter over the lens.
These modifications are done by specialists, but they are not "that" onerous, if you really want a true monochrome or infrared sensor.
That's very true, but some photographers just want to go out and shoot and this preset does just that.
While I fully understand this isn't a true Monochrom camera - it does take black and white images, regards of full information or not
I think the lesson here is that cheeky titles leave your viewers totally confused lol
No - that would be " I turned my D800 into a Monochrom camera"
This video is merely stating a fact you can shoot it totally in black and white - while not completely Monochrom at it's sensor - with a preset it still shoots black and white images
@@SebastianOakley Oh I get it. I was just cracking up at the comments. I once titled a video "perspective grids in one minute, plus a ten minute perspective intro" and very first comment was dude saying "one minute, why the video 11 minutes??" 🤦
CZcams gon CZcams.
haha - I get your point - if it continues I'll just make a comment and pin is saying "I CLEARLY say JPEG PRESET" lol
I agree...and the spelling in the title, monochrom with no E at the end, suggests something leica-like...
Will admit that is deliberate and kinda secoind nature to me as a Leica user - but full transparencey I made the title like that
D 800 ROCKS - no matter how you use it!
The D800 is a remarkable camera, one that I love so much!
just wondering if you came across a setting where the flash pops up when reaching a minimum shutter speed ???
Personally I haven't, but I am sure you can find that out either in here or in the manual online.
I never used the flash at all, and always used the camera in manual mode, sorry I couldn't be more help to you
Hi Sebastian, please be aware that you don’t have the colour information in the picture file when you shot with a monochrome sensor. I edit my photos with Nik Silver Efex and to play with the different colour filters in post gives me a lot of creativity. I don’t want to miss it, that’s why I shoot raw on the colour sensors D700 and D780 and use the colour information during editing.
Hi Thomas, You are completely right with you Shoot RAW and then play with the color profiles to get certain looks etc - something that I missed out on this video. Personaly, I like how the jpegs are with my custom tewaks to the monochrome setting in the picture menu - but you are completely right too :)
"Monochrom" is a total misnomer here. Mono=single, chrome=colour. In colour theory black, white, grey all are defined as having no colour. Which would be "achromatic". In the evolution of black & white (B&W) film, humanity started with sensitive layers (emulsions) that are sensitive in one colour band of the humanly visible spectrum and this is where "monochrome" comes from. It also explains the weird B&W tones in early movies and the use of black lipstick to get lips contrasting skin tones. The next generation of emulsion was "orthochromatic" (orthos=correct) that was deemed "just" to colour in its grey tones.
This then was followed by "panchromatic" (pan=all) B&W film.
The reason we call B&W print material monochromatic still today is that such print paper indeed has only sensitivity in one spectral colour band and hence we can have a green, amber or red light in the darkroom during processing.
The sensors in the Bayer paradigm are colour-blind but panchromatic and this set of definitions makes calling a B&W camera "Monochrom" the most stupid thing we can do in photography.
We get colour in the Bayer paradigm by a Bayer filter grid of exactly sensor grid proportions and alignment that cuts each photosite in the sensor down to one colour band, making it monochromatic, but as different photosites see a different colour band, we can make guesses as to the missing colours from each of the photosite's data elements. So the raw file has monochrome data elements. Then the process of mathematically precise and repeatable wild-assed guessing for missing colours - called deBayerisation - tries to turn the photosite measurement values into RGB pixel values - when that fails, we have Bayer noise, as I call it, but members of the Bayer conspiracy prefer to call it luminance or colour noise.
A Leica Monochrom has a panchromatic sensor and the resulting file is not raw but ready for use without raw processing and as it is a grey scale (because digital photography uses integer values - the photosites are actually analogue) it has no colour, so in the case of that file monochrome also is a misnomer.
The most expensive part in a full frame Leica M may be the OLPF and that was left out of the "Monochrom", plus it does not need the complexities of deBayerisation, its consequent generation of digital artefacts being absent hence no need for demosaicking, and so the image processing software should be dirt cheap too. But the red dot ...
Oh, the Mudbricks [1] using terms like "blacks" and "whites" in their ACR product of course is beyond misnomer - what do programmers know about colour theory.
When history becomes hysterical ...
[1] a mudbrick is also called an adobe
Thank you for your comment and historic record in why Monochrom is a misnomer. While factual, I use Monochrom becasue it is the widely used term in this case.
@@jpdj2715 I was not prepared for this sort of information when I watched a little bit of this video and went in to this comment section. You have simplified b&w photography for me. I was disappointed that this video was not about infrared or full spectrum conversion that I wish for my D3400.
I'm sorry you came to this videeo and didint find what you where looking for, but if it was to do with full spectrum or infrared those terms would of been in the title. I hope you have better luck in your search
I've been shooting B&W for a while on my D-7200 and they look pretty good to me.
Yep, I think the monochrome setting on the Nikon's is very nice, I just tweaked mine a little to give it better contrast
D800 is a great camera. Unless you shoot mainly in very dim light or at night, and constantly use high iso, then the D800 is more than enough. A true monochrome sensor does have advantages over one with Bayer Matrix, but it does not show it unless you push the camera into very high iso range or in very low light.
Thanks for the comment. The D800 is a brilliant camera, and now can be had for a steal on the second hand market
Yes, I have had one for years. Last year I picked up a decent D810 which is even a better camera. It is remarkably sharper due to the lack of the AA filter and that damped shutter. @@SebastianOakley
@@lensman5762Interesting... I might have to pick up one over time
You just can't beat an optical viewfinder. My Canon 200D isn't going anywhere anytime time soon. EVFs just can't beat the optical viewfinder. By the way the D800 is by no means "little".
I love an optical viewfinder - been around for decades, if it isn't broke don't fix it - but I must say the only EVF I have enjoyed was on the Leica SL2-S.
I think I said little, as I normally have the hand grip on it all the time, but I understand is far bigger and bulky than my Leica's or other cameras on the market :)
Dont know what the point is ? I have a d800E and M11, that means the M111 is a monochrome if i shoot in RAW ??? what is your essence?
There is no rym or reason, just a prefrence of shooting choice - you can use your M11 in Monochrome setting, much like I use my Leica M-E in jpeg monochrom etc. This was merely an experiament for me and telling my braind that my Nikon D800 was for shooting monochrome images, made a custom black and white profile for it and shot it.
that nikon d800e is an awesome camera isn't it? only my GFX comes close to that dynamic range
Never used the GFX sereis of camera from Fuifilm so can't comment - but I do really enjoy this camera as much as the day I first got it
And I thought you were going to remove the D800's Bayer filter somehow. My day is ruined.
My apologies... Maybe that's another video, but my DIY isn't the best!
Nice black and white 'profile'. However, the audio on this video is horrendous. So tinny.
Thanks for the feedback - I'm looking into a better michrphone for talking head things. Should be fixed soon!
bro, you still have a bayer filter in the D800 sensor. the mochrom sensor is different. Also, you never shared your settings for B&W or made any comparions with the Leica monchrom images. So put bluntly, tI would say this video title was clickbait and i wasted 8 minutes of my time today.
I stated within the first 40 seconds of the video that this was a JPEG Present of the monochrome setting.
reported for clickbait
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