Why Your Voice Sounds THIN (And How to Fix It) Get Better TONE
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You're not alone. Everyone goes through a phase where they don't necessarily like the sound of their voice.
It might even be at least tolerable while you're singing, but when listening back to a recording of yourself?? ... Forget about it!
Or maybe you're mostly ok with your singing, but there's certain tonal things about it... You can't quite nail it down, but you wish you could fix!
Well, it doesn't have to be this way. In this video, I show you with a neat visual aid, how to bring out GOOD qualities in your singing voice while minimizing the less desirable attributes.
You have a whole world of tonal and character control available to you if know where to look and how deal with what you find! - Hudba
Relationship goals 2021: Find someone who looks at you like Chris looks at a spectral analysis.
That's the goal right there
These past “why your” videos have been spot on!
Glad you’re enjoying!
It’s interesting to realize you aren’t really born with the voice you’re born with. You really shine the light on how to technically make changes to get different tonal results. This channel is a one of a kind. Ps The RX spectral plugin is a nice visual teaching tool.
Ya that’s a great one!
I have a free app on my phone called spectroid which looks identical to what he has here.
I would say technique allows you to open up the full potential of your biology
Chris you should totally make a video about singer's diet soon cuz your voice always seems very clean. Also I feel like I struggle with thick mucus problems more than others.
Great idea
@@chrisliepe This would be awesome!
Would love that
Adding compression, grit, and therefore, overtones, are the same techniques audio engineers add to create similar overtones, which, generally, leads to a more interesting sonic experience. Great stuff! Thanks!
Yes, exactly!!!
All the tricks and mistakes about volume to sound powerful are just amazing when you bring that to us, Chris.
Cheers from Brazil. Take care and stay home.
Chris is a good teacher. I like his guitar lessons esp on playing in worship band. He is good in what he is doing.
recently started watching your stuff again and realized how tense i've been all this time while singing. your videos are so great and i'm so grateful for them!
this video was once again incredibly helpful! the visualization really did it for me! only you succeed to explain these things in such a comprehensible manner👏🏽
Beautiful Chris, the visual tells a huge story. I LOVE the way you break things down.
Spectral analyzers like this one can show us so much. Try feeding a sine wave from a signal generator into one, and then compare that to a voice. It's literally what makes sounds interesting -- the difference between a flute and a cello or saxophone.
Amazing Video Chris! You have really taken vocal tone to the next level. This one fits perfectly with your forward singing video, and the internal tone control video you have. All Highly recommended.
Really cool video, it's a great way to "show" how to sound
Yo can i just say your videos have been helping me develop singing over the past year in lockdown and have really helped me perform for songs i write, i really appreciate the videos my guy :D
Thanks for making this! It's cool to see the differences that compression and techniques can make.
Glad you liked it!
Top-notch tips as always Chris, thanks for sharing with us!!
Glad you enjoyed it
Really, really interesting video Chris! Thanks for sharing this!
Chris, the vocal genius. Great and very useful to see these interesting insights man. Thanks for such an amazing content!
My pleasure!
This is awesome. Seeing the science behind the voice is really interesting and helpful. Thanks!
This visual just tied everything together in my mind
Nice! I've been geeking out on this for quite a while now :) The unmentioned elephant in the room here is how different vowels resonate differently. E.g. that 4:41 "I went into head voice and only the fundamental tone remained" is actually explained by the oooh vowel only resonating at low frequencies - your following aaah in head voice had a lot of harmonics. Actually I would love some videos from you on vowel shapes/vowel modifications/etc and combining them with spectral analysis would be even cooler :)
Another cool thing I noticed that you didn't mention is that adding distortion to the voice introduces overtones in the middle between the original ones. Normally overtones are at whole numbers of the original frequency (2x, 3x, etc), but with distortion I get them also at 1.5x, 2.5x etc, which almost means that the fundamental pitch has dropped an octave!
What an amazing, interesting video, thank you Chris!
What fantastic visuals here Chris. I'm 100% convinced and clear now about how and why I should to apply the techniques you demonstrate so well. You've also taught me something about my DAW (Reaper) I didn't know was there. It also has a heap of editing functions and stuff. Woooo. I'm excited to use this tool. This vid is a gem and so are you :)
Fantastic!
Clever approach, really inspiring
Been struggling a lot with this since i started singing in my upper range! This lesson is on point!
The best moment for me to watch this video! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
I'm frightened! The more I strive to sing better, the less I can sing!
I'm losing my voice!!!
I'm worried.
Wow, I never thought of this what a cool way to teach.
Great videos Chris. All really insightful and super helpful. Peace
Glad you enjoyed!
Wow, I'm blown away. I'm incredibly happy to have found your channel! Your way of teaching is very easy to understand and I've learnt so much from just a couple of videos. I'm excited to do dying cat and crow exercises, hehe. Best on CZcams, without a doubt! Thanks so much Chris : )
You're so welcome!
In a minute you already get like 11 likes, people already KNOW your video is going to help them without watching lol
I like that :)
You're so right. It's funny but this guy is so accurate and his analyses so good that it's exactly what you say : no need to know the vid to know that's quality. Again.
Chris channel has grown immensely in the last 2 years, when i first found him out in facebook ads he had 2000 or 3000 subs on youtube, now its going towards 150 mil, only means hes doing things right, im trully glad, he helped me so much already just thru these youtube videos, now its allways my first recomendation to other fellow singers
@@davidhenriques9048 Well, your math is off by a factor of 1000, but the rest is true!
Great breakdown
Hey, Chris! Great video! And it made me think... I'm from Russia and our language is very "open" sounding in its basics (speaking in some regions and folk singing). In some cases it drastically changes this problem of thin sound to an opposite one. I mean there is more information in upper harmonics, but there is lack of "space" in sound
Chris is the only vocal coach I think I've ever had to turn my volume down to watch lol
hehe i'll try to adjust it in future videos :)
@@chrisliepe oh no you're good man, it's impressive af that anyone could have that kind of vocal power
Cool video! Thanks Chris
You bet!
This is great, man! Thanks so much!
Glad you like it!
Super awesome 👏🏾
I would love to see you do an analysis video on Niel Fallon of Clutch. If you watch their early live videos his voice was kind of thin sounding but over the years he has cultivated a powerful open and resonant vocal tone.
When I started managing more demanding subglottic air pressure levels, high and low, is when all these voice colors and overtones emerged. But it has to done right or you lock yourself up. Thanks Chris.
Yep, you have to pay attention, but there's so much gold here!
Good stuff! I wish I could comment on your thoughts live with my take things so people can learn from the convo.
Maybe I'll start premiering some of this series so we can do that !
Awesome as usual Chris. You might consider a tutorial on "why am I running out of breath so quickly" or " how to Sustain long notes". Any tip on that matter in addition yo the "classics" breath support and cord closure?
Great suggestion!
it really is about adding & taking things away from the vocal projection
In self-teaching I had to taken advantage of high awareness of the muscles in my nasal, throat, abdominals, neck, chest & back.
it definitely felt like some Rock Paper Scissors meta stuff
That's a good analogy! ...The rock paper scissors game!
Thank you as always
Your channel is saving my ass on a project I’m working on. Lol thanks Chris!
Thank you, Chris. I'd be interested to look at a spectral analysis of singing with a tight throat, tight tongue, tight neck/shoulders as these are the things we're told hinder good tone. Also showing how poor diaphragm support may make a thinner tone, ie. More from the throat. Guess I'll just have to analyse myself😁.
Hi Chris.
I got hold of an app. Singing forward, pronouncing words properly, even in rock vocals Vs singing lazily had a much greater frequency range - 1Khz to 8K had more content.
I've noticed less oomph in my voice when just recording using a smartphone. However bass in my acoustic guitar seems to be picked up. Of course I am not benefitting from proximity effect, careful mixing.
One mixing tutorial on YT suggested not following usual cutting bass/100Hz low cut for male rock vocals. Instead, allowing down to 50Hz. Again, it may well be lower overtones.
The thing I want to avoid is too much chest voice in higher notes and sounding shouty.
Hey man, I found these at the right time. Your Thom Yorke video got me comfortably accessing higher registers I haven’t in a minute. Do you give private lessons at this time? I’d be curious.
I do! Head over to chrisliepe.com and request an invitation to my course. I offer options for private lessons for those going through "Discover Your Voice"
Hey Chris, great video, always looking for tips on how to get a better tone out of my voice.
If you are planning on doing more singer videos, Joe Duplantier from Gojira would be super helpful.
Yessssss
Chris, I think you should make a video on when it’s actually normal for the voice to thin out because singers might be confusing that for a weak, thin tone, which translates to unrealistic/unhealthy expectations. This was my case because I developed a nasty habit of shouting (at first) all notes around Ab3-B3 (I’m a Bass-Baritone) onwards and expected every single note above that to sound with the same qualities of my chest voice, not realizing that as I went higher my tone should thin out to transition into mix, then light mix and finally full head voice in order to maintain consistency and not fuck my voice up. That expectation made me hate my tone and think there was something wrong with me. Thanks to you I realized that wasn’t the case and your videos have helped me tremendously to improve my tone, my distortion and technique.
This is a great insight and idea for another video. Thanks!
Hi Carlos, I'm a bass baritone by nature too. Just mentioned the thinning vs shouty. I think careful mixing, mic, mic technique and the room reverb/size can all contribute to how we hear/shape our sound too.
No it's not natural to thin out . We can keep a heavy bassy tone in the high range if we want. Vocalists like noble man do that. People say they're inborn talents.but ik they're a technical thing. Something about the overtones
Thank you. Good.
interestng as ive been praticing technique, forwardness and use of resonance, it seems my speaking voice has changed a bit without me noticing, my girlfriend especially she tells me my voice has become louder and gained a more pronounced reverb like atribute (I call it the zing that added brightness at the end of your words), its funny because i didnt realize at first but now as ive been introspecting a bit i do notice it as well especially "the zing" you know that taking the sword out kind of brightness (part of the overtones), how cool is that, i never realized the speaking voice would also gain attributes from learning to sing thou it makes sense, i didnt do anything consciously to cnahge it tbh it just showed up
Thank you
actually, what you're doing is similar to what you would be doing with your voice if you were overtone or throat singing, which is actually what I do a lot of. So I just need to do more of it :-) because actually, if you were to reshape your mouth, suppose you were saying the word Oreo. Eventually you're going to hear overtones come out of your mouth that are extremely high pitched. Look up the rainbow voice by David Hykes from the blade soundtrack. I think you'll find it interesting based on what you're doing here :-)
**EDIT** Right after I spoke about overtones, you mentioned that. Lol. 🖤⚡
Hehe. Ya so fun to see
actually chris u need to make a video. comparing different isolated vocals with spectral analysis. its an idea.
ill need to see my voice now 😊 !!!
Great suggestion!
Great video. I was able to get rid of 95% of my breaking problems when singing higher.
However, when I sing in a mellow voice, the notes become breahty and sometimes it's all breath and no musical notes.
Hopefully we'll see a video that addresses vocal breaking in mellow voice soon.
Lots of love.
Just got over this myself!!
Lack of air for me.
Did anybody else see the glitch at 7:23? I feel like more and more videos on youtube/streaming services having undercover messages.... but other than that, thank you for being magical and informative Chris.
Ya, not sure what's going on there. No undercover messages in this one... just a weird video tracking glitch of some kind. Digital errors. Glad you enjoyed the video!
Masterful display of vocal control. Thank you for this! So useful. Can anyone recommend a phone app spectral analyzer?
Audiotools for iOS is good
Hello Chris, could you look into a singer named Toru (TK) Kitajima. He's a japanese singer so I'm not sure if you'd be able to. But his singing is really unique, he does a lot of whispering falsetto, I don't know if that's what its called but it's really unique, specially for metal music. The song Unravel is a really good showcase of his technique and style. If you do decide to check him out, the the first take live performance of Unravel is really good (though it is an acoustic arrangement).
I'll check it out! Sounds very interesting and cool!
Hola Chris. Espero estés muy bien. ¡YO REALMENTE QUIERO VER CLASES CONTIGO! Soy cantante y a eso me dedico (Por ahora canto covers, pero es mi meta y convicción producir mi música, ya que también soy compositora). Canto desde los 8 años de edad y pues, tengo actualmente 23 años de edad, sin embargo, nunca estudié mi voz.
Hace un año y medio tuve un accidente de transito donde tuve múltiples fracturas y fue bastante engorrosa la recuperación, puesto que pasé muchos meses en cama, sin actividad de nada ni cantar; ciertamente esa experiencia me dejó mil aprendizajes, como ver la vida desde otro punto de vista más consciente, saborear más los momentos, las personas, las historias por muy efímeras que sean, a veces se nos va la vida mirando mas no admirando lo que tenemos a nuestro alrededor incluyendo a nuestros seres queridos. Es como si, volteas al pasado y ves tu vida desde otros zapatos y perspectivas, viendo con claridad tus errores y aprendiendo lo que aún no habías aprendido de ellos.
Pero, también me dejó muchas inseguridades y miedos que también me afectaron vocalmente (Estrés excesivo) y que poco a poco he trabajado en superar.
En fin, lo cierto es que llegó la pandemia y no tuve la oportunidad de volver a mi ritmo habitual de antes del accidente donde cantaba casi todos los fines de semana (pero lo que nunca hice fue dejar de componer); cuando recuperé más mi salud, comencé nuevamente a ensayar mi repertorio de la manera en que toda la vida lo había hecho, solo que comencé a notar que ya no rendía mi voz como antes, los tono que me eran normales ya no los llegaba tan relajada y esto realmente me empezó a deprimir Chris, sentía que sin mi voz no era nada, ¿Dónde quedarían mis canciones y letras? ¿Cómo hacía si mis convicciones de vida giraban y giran entorno a mi voz? Luego de unos dos meses de llorar casi que a diario, decidí ocuparme en ello. Identifiqué mi irresponsabilidad al cantar toda la vida sin una vocalización previa o un estudio de mi voz, y comenzó mi búsqueda por tomar clases que canto.
Vi mil videos en CZcams de distintos vocal coach y me surgían los mismo cuestionamientos sobre los métodos que todos sugieren, también me volvió aquella inconformidad que siempre he tenido sobre el rango vocal en el que todos me posicionaban porque yo sabía que podía llegar a mucho más, y me hice la siguiente pregunta: ¿SI MIENTRAS LIMPIO LA CASA ESCUCHANDO A JAMES LABRIE, STEVE PERRY O STEVEN TYLER, EN OCASIONES, ALCANZO MUY BIEN SUS TONALIDADES ALTAS, POR QUÉ NO LLEGO A ESOS TONOS NATURALMENTE O CADA VEZ QUE LOS INTENTO? y ese análisis me llevó a darme cuenta que las técnicas estaban en mí y yo no les estaba prestando atención, así que a partir de ahí las he buscado y me ha ido genial Chris (He ido de poco a poco, aun estoy con Steve Perry pero ya domino varas de sus canciones en Journey, luego pasaré con James LaBrie de DREAM THEATER y, por ultimo, con Aerosmith 'aunque a él le tengo un poco más de recelo por su voz ronca ya que yo no la colocaría así, o al menos no me gustaría', pero voy muy bien,), sin embargo y, a pesar de irme bien con lo que cada día descubro y conozco de mi voz, sabía que aun necesitaba los conocimientos de alguien estudiado pero no como el montón, sino que fuera más allá de las técnicas convencionales, que me guiara y reforzara y retroalimentara, lo que yo ya había logrado; además de transmitirme sus conocimientos.
En esa búsqueda TE ENCONTRE A TI CHRIS, sentirme identificada con todo Lo que cuentas en tu Pagina web, solo tomó un par de minutos. Y luego lo que me mostraste en las tres lecciones gratis de "Free Your Voice" simplemente quedé fascinada y con un sentir enorme de necesitar y querer aprender de tus conocimientos.
Gracias mil por como yo, NO quedarte con lo que "ya está estudiado", sino cuestionarlo y dedicarte a estudiar tus descubrimientos... Pero, aun más grande, GRACIAS INFINITAS POR COMPARTIRLO...
PD: No hablo ingles :'( y ese es mi impedimento para ver tus clases, a pesar de que lo estoy estudiando, debo decir que me falta muchísimo :''(
!Ah¡ Y si lees todo hasta el final, te ganaste el cielo jajajajaja Porque vaya que me extendí. Gracias CHRIS.
¡BESOS Y ABRAZOS DESDE VENEZUELA. DIOS TE BENDIGA Y GRACIAS POR TANTO!
ESPERO VERNOS PRONTO EN TUS CLASES PRIVADAS.
Your voice is beautiful.
Thank you! 😊
When you do a vibrato your pitch goes down and back at your note like Freddie Mercury? Did I see right?
7:24 video glith, for a moment i though my video card was failing lol
Awesome video from a production perspective. Is there any plugin that can show the frequencies like that in a DAW?
Waves has a couple that offer a spectral analysis.
We'll see you for more :)
Could you react to Remington Leith? His voice is so unique
These days i stop to sing on my karaoke but now i should have to continue.
fire vid and 1 hella cool dude
Hey Chris. How do I get my vocal chain in Studio one to play in real time while I'm recording? I can either get a delayed reverb or on playback hear how the the effects sound.
Check out Joe Gilder’s Home Studio Corner channel. He does everything with studio one!
On point
How to sing like Axl Rose? I'd love to see you make a vid for him!
czcams.com/video/-8lLKaMxeQU/video.html
Can we get the reverse of this. As in a tutorial on how to turn a deep voice into a thin voice ?
Coming:)
Ok, Chris, here's a tough one for ya. I've been struggling all my life to improve my voice. It's ok down low, but it gets progressively worse as I go up my range. It's not that I'm unaware of technique. I've paid for a dozen highly recommended courses - including being a paid member of your course. But honestly, I have to face the fact that I was given a rubbish voice by God. I literally feel suicidal about my voice sometimes. Music is so important to me, but the one thing I desperately want is a powerful, soaring voice. But alas, I can't have it. It's been 25 years of effort and frustration. I don't think I've improved at all. I try all the exercises, I've paid a fortune, but nothing can help me. I'm like a guitar with 1 rusty string. So my question to you is: is it healthier for some people to just quit singing? Is it simply not worth the anguish if you can't get the result you need? It's starting to feel that way. I just feel sad when I sing, and I think I'm feeling sad when I hear other people sing beautifully now. It's a wound in my soul now. Why was I born with such a need to sing, but such a rubbish instrument to go with it? Probably impossible for you to answer this, really, but I'd be interested to hear your thoughts - even if you do recommend me giving up singing. I would respect your opinion a lot.
NEVER give up. In EVERY scenario like this I've encountered, it is never a problem with the actual voice. It is all a problem with the mind/mindfulness and bad thinking. Once we cure the mind, the voice blossoms. Giving up will give into the lies you are continuing to believe. You must come to terms with YOUR voice... stop comparing to others and focus on creative opportunities. This is the ONLY way to unlock your creative potential... Is to be a producer... a creator... look at Tom Waits... Look at Tom Petty... NOT GOOD VOICES... but they are sold out in their own characters and creativity!
aww shit )why do i found your channel now? When i have no time to watch?
ah... thanks for watching when you can!
I like my voice when I´m hearing me in the instant, but when I heard my records..I hate it!
Good video but the title doesn't fit in my opinion. I thought it would be about improving the chest resonance, not the overtones. But helpful still. In my experience it helps to sing on pitch because overtones are easier to tune. Higher tones in general I guess. That's also why tuning the low strings on the guitar by ear is a bit more challenging. If you have good overtones in your voice you can intinate easier right?
Interesting... just downloaded spectropro on the iPad and experimented.. my fundamentals got bigger brighter with a low larynx vs more nasal. I must have accidentally increased volume. Nasal/forward had more overtones
RIGHT... more overtones is GOOD, or at least good to realize and play with
Everyone who has ever tried to teach me to sing has always said to "belly breathe" and not to let your shoulders rise when you breathe. I've found it has never made a difference for me. Do you have an opinion on that common teaching?
Well that advice do help you nudge to a better way. Its not wrong, but its not the whole picture. If you raise your shoulders you breath shallow and its unnecessary tension. Saying "do belly breath" is easier sad than done. Stopping your shoulders move is the first step of developing your support, by redicating it you will realise how weak your real support really is, probably thats why you didnt feel any difference.
"The belly breath" is way to go, but its not actual belly more a 360° feeling under the ribs. The easiest way to feel what support supposed?to feel like is sit down on a stairway and put your legs to the nearest step.(not the same as you sit on) that way your knees at the lvl of your chest. In this position the diapragh will engage whether you want it or not. Breath in this pose, do short laugh like "ha ha" on different notes, get the feeling of it around your core. Even if you do everything right, support developement takes years. As your support devs. so does your singing.
SO well said... Focusing on keeping your shoulders still, will add more tension to your neck. We don't want to be focused on that. We want to be laser focused on downward support muscle engagement and facial resonance. Let the shoulders do that they do!
Where can I get a spectral analyser?
lots of apps, or adobe audition like I use here
Shout out to the dozen of us that use Audition
What software do you use for recording your voice?
Mostly pro tools. But for this video, Adobe audition.
@@chrisliepe thanks
Hey Chris,I have a doubt.
My voice sounds really good(it's really warm and I can do really good fry screams and my clean singing is really warm) when I wake up. After like 4-5 hours my voice sounds a little broken and childish. And at night,it becomes warm again. I'm 15 btw. Is it because of my age?
It's not because of age. It's most likely, you're pushing your voice too hard early in the day without really FEELING your voice out. You might be wearing it out. Spend more time warming up, but less time going full out. 30 min or so. Then feel your voice out... don't burn it out too early :)
@@chrisliepe Thanks Chris! I'll warm up before I sing and scream from now onwards.
I've got the exact opposite problem lol
Same solution tho! Play with the resonance in the face and see what happens!
You had a little Craig Wedren thing going on there for a second
hi chris got an audition for a soundgarden tribute band next few weeks any tips :) avail for a 1 to 1
Check out my Chris Cornell videos if you haven't already!! I think those will be a great help! Good luck!
@@chrisliepe soundcloud.com/ssyne/superunknown-by-soundgarden-rough-sketch-vocal-warm-up love to get a few lessons
Everytime is sing past *D5* or on *D5* my tone sounds thin and weird in my mix 💀
there's a video coming on that! :)
So what happens when you do this and there's no bright yellow fundamental anywhere no matter what you do? Give up and take a vow of silence?
I've not seen that!!
@@chrisliepe Thanks for taking the time to reply, turns out I was just being dumb and my input levels were too low. :) Love all your videos and recently signed up for your vocal course. Hope to get to it when my kids allow!
Almost sound like Darkness for a minute there.
7:23 oof glitchy
Not sure what is going on there... no weird hidden message tho :)
Starting to sound a bit Jeff Buckley there round 4:50 .. ha
Comment for da algorithm
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Wow, time goes by so fast!
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@@will7953 lmao😂
Chris is a good teacher but really expensive for a middle class guy
my voice sounds like it's in a tin can when I record it... pretty much always....
What microphone are you using?
@@fi4re Sm7b
damn wtf 4:40 that is crazy
hehe
I love doing experiments like this, thanks for sharing and wear a lab coat next time! :)
haha.. great idea!
I think I pissed Ken Tamplin Off he asked me to email someone who is better and can teach better I emailed him you LMAO you've helped me alot you can tell from when I 1st started back to now hell of alot better my CZcams is Chad Shep check it out no joke you've helped alot