9. Are There Forgeries in the Old Testament?

Was the Pentateuch written by Moses? Or were ancient scribes trying to deceive us?
Chapters:
00:00-00:54 - "Time mistakes" reveal a forgery
00:55-04:28 - Time mistakes in the OT
04:29-06:56 - The concept of "historic anticipation"
06:57-09:33 - The Book of Daniel
09:34-10:44 - More forgeries?
10:45-12:57 - Example: Writing style
12:58-15:14 - Christian defense of Moses' authorship
15:15-15:35 - Conclusion
Series Bibliography:
Barker, Dan - God: The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fiction
Barker, Dan - Godless: How an Evangelical Preacher Became One of America’s Leading Atheists
Buckser, Andrew and Glazier, Stephen D. - The Anthropology of Religious Conversion
Callahan, Tim - Secret Origins of the Bible
Carrier, Richard - “How We Know Daniel Is a Forgery”
Carrier, Richard - “Josephus on Jesus? Why You Can’t Cite Opinions Before 2014”
Carrier, Richard - Not the Impossible Faith
Carrier, Richard - On the Historicity of Jesus
Carrier, Richard - Sense and Goodness Without God
Conway, Flo and Siegelman, Jim - Snapping: America’s Epidemic of Sudden Personality Change
Coogan, Michael D. - The Oxford History of the Biblical World
Copan, Paul - Is God a Moral Monster?
Craig, William Lane - Reasonable Faith
Currid, John D. And Chapman, David W. - The ESV Archaeology Study Bible
Dever, William G. - Did God Have a Wife?
Dever, William G. - Has Archaeology Buried the Bible?
Durkheim, Emile - The Elementary Forms of the Religious Life
Ehrman, Bart D. - Forged: Writing in the Name of God
Ehrman, Bart D. - Forgery and Counterforgery
Ehrman, Bart D. - God’s Problem
Ehrman, Bart D. - Heaven and Hell
Ehrman, Bart D. - How Jesus Became God
Ehrman, Bart D. - Jesus Before the Gospels
Ehrman, Bart D. - Jesus Interrupted
Ehrman, Bart D. - Lost Christianities
Ehrman, Bart D. - Misquoting Jesus
Ehrman, Bart D. - The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture
Ehrman, Bart D. - The Triumph of Christianity
Finkelstein, Israel and Silberman, Neil Asher - The Bible Unearthed
Geisler, Norman L. And Howe, Thomas - The Big Book of Bible Difficulties
Geisler, Norman L. And Turek, Frank - I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist
Hagglund, Martin - This Life
Ham, Ken, Ed. - Demolishing Supposed Bible Contradictions: Volume 1
Ham, Ken and Hodge, Bodie and Chaffey, Tim, Eds. - Demolishing Supposed Bible Contradictions: Volume 2
Harwood, William - Mythology’s Last Gods
Helms, Randel - Gospel Fictions
Helms, Randel - Who Wrote the Gospels?
Holden, Joseph M. and Geisler, Norman - The Popular Handbook of Archaeology and the Bible
Kennedy, Titus M. - Unearthing the Bible
Koukl, Gregory - Tactics: A Game Plan for Discussing Your Christian Convictions
Lewis, C.S. - A Grief Observed
Loftus, John W. - The Christian Delusion
Loftus, John W. - Christianity Is Not Great
Loftus, John W. - The End of Christianity
Loftus, John W. - Why I Became an Atheist
Loftus, John W. and Rauser, Randal - God or Godless?
MacDonald, Dennis - Does the New Testament Imitate Homer?
MacDonald, Dennis - The Homeric Epics and the Gospel of Mark
MacDonald, Dennis - Mythologizing Jesus
Matthews, Victor H. And Benjamin, Don C. - Old Testament Parallels
Mazar, Amihai - Archaeology of the Land of the Bible 10,000-586 BCE
McDowell, Josh and McDowell, Sean - Evidence That Demands a Verdict
McLaughlin, Rebecca - Confronting Christianity
Newberg, Andrew and Waldman, Mark Robert - Why We Believe What We Believe
Nicolaou, Corinna - A None’s Story
Nongbri, Brent - Before Religion
Shanks, Hershel - Ancient Israel
Stavrakopoulou, Francesca - God: An Anatomy
Strobel, Lee - The Case for Christ
Strobel, Lee - The Case for a Creator
Strobel, Lee - The Case for Faith
Wallace, J. Warner - Cold-Case Christianity
Wolff, Catherine - Beyond: How Humankind Thinks About Heaven
ChristianAnswers.net - “Is the Bible Accurate Concerning the Existence and Destruction of the Walls of Jericho?”

[@WagesOfDestruction]

I stopped listening when you talked of Ur, Joseph was sold for twenty pieces of silver. When Columbus landed in the Americas in the Bahamas, it was not the Bahamas then, but you call it the Bahamas because we know the area where it is; the same logic applies to the biblical writer. I think you should know your facts before talking about these subjects.

[@join.arethion]

Hi. Thanks for watching! I always appreciate feedback, but I think there's a misunderstanding here.
The Christian claim is that the Pentateuch was written by Moses. Based on the Bible's own chronology, the events in the Joseph story were taking place around 1700 BCE (give or take, depending on the Exodus dating you use). Moses would have lived between 1400-1200 BCE. Yet coins weren't invented until 650 BCE. Consequently, if Moses were the author of the Pentateuch, writing in say 1300 BCE, he *also* would not have known what a coin was.
That's not the same situation as the "Bahamas" example you cite, which actually proves my point here. I call it the Bahamas because I'm living now. Using your analogy, the writer knows the word "Bahamas," i.e. the writer knows about coins and so lived after 650 BCE, which proves the writer was NOT Moses, who lived before coins were invented. Thus, Moses' "authorship" of the Pentateuch is false. The actual writer lived after 650 BCE. The way only to defend Moses' knowledge of coins in ~1300 BCE is via "historic anticipation," which I address in other videos.
Hope that helps clarify. :-)

[@WagesOfDestruction]

@@join.arethion Mmmm The Pentateuch ( Torah, the first five books of the Hebrew Bible) does not contain any explicit claims that Moses wrote the entire five-book collection. Some statements within the Deuteronomy book suggest Moses wrote some specific portions. However, it does not make a blanket claim that Moses was the sole author of all five books.
The authorship of the Torah has been a matter of scholarly debate even before Jesus. The traditional Jewish and Christian view is that Moses wrote the entire Torah. But even these traditionalists knew of lines in the bible that Moses could not have written, which troubled them greatly.
Today, few believe that it was written by Moses. For Christians, it's generally no big ask, as they feel that the Bible as a whole was divinely inspired but written by human authors. The Jewish view is more complex.