Milwaukee vs DeWalt Cable Stapler All-Out Contest! in 4K
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The best is the one you already have batteries for.
Thanks!
Exactly 💯!
Unless you already have batteries for both lol 😅
That is a great point
I use the DeWalt because I already have batteries. Also the Milwaukee is 12V while most of their tools are 18V, so that means another set of batteries.
I been using the Dewalt for about a year, a little breathing room under the staple is preferred in my opinion. When I need them more snug a little tap with my Kleins tightens them right up. I've had so many sparky's make negative comments, say it's junk, a toy, not necessary and so on, but invariably they all ask to borrow it. Truth be told though I'm a tool guy, I spend a lot of money on tools, I like to have the right tool for the job.
welcome to my life. why waste your money on drugs when we can all share in a tool addiction?
Wire should be snug
I like the Dewalt ‘cause you got a little bit of play with your cables and they’re still secured
You are assured that no cable will be damaged. It's a good point.
I just got the DCN701 (dewalt) only because we are building our house, but I just tried it on 12/2 MC in our shop and it works perfect. Now I will be getting another one or two to use on commercial wiring projects when wood is used.
I have both. I like the milwaukee better as i can get in tighter places
The milwaukee feels more solid
Thanks Chuck!
As an electrician I prefer my staples on the tight side rather than loose. When splicing inside my box, after removing the jacket i am able to pull on my wire without having the romex slide deeper into my box, leaving too much jacket inside.
Thanks Zak, good point!
I’m heavily invested in the 20 Volt Max platform, but recently invested in a 12 volt Milwaukee plumbing tool for Pex A expansion technology. I’m a DIYer and am having to replace all my wiring and plumbing throughout my whole early 70s house. I have some of Dewalt’s 12 volt tools too, so am already invested in 3 different battery technologies. So, I could buy either tool in the bare tool option.
I’ve never met a tool I didn’t want to have so I have been coveting a battery powered wire stapler I was considering Milwaukee’s but after seeing this side by side comparison I’m leaning more towards the Dewalt’s tool now.
I’d like to thank the Sparky Channel for such great content. I watch countless videos here to help me do things according to the code book. Love your channel. Keep up the great content.
Thanks so much Ken! Best wishes with the '70's house. Yes, cable staplers are a real time-saver!
@@SparkyChannel My decision for Dewalt’s tool lies in it being cheaper to buy, faster to use, and less likely to damage a wire. If you want to secure a run tighter, you could always give a couple of hammer taps to staples you wanted tighter.
Thanks for the best wishes on the 70s house. It was built by someone who didn’t know code or or totally ignored code. He did use 12 gauge wire throughout the house but he used a bunch of gray direct bury Romex which is a nightmare to remove the sheath. Replacing old receptacles with that wire along with the fact that most boxes have more cable than code allows gives me great difficulty along with worrying about too much heat generation.
I just removed about 30 wires that all ran together through just one hole in each joist. They were so tightly packed I could barely pull them out of the holes one hole at a time. Some wires were even darkened from the heat of being so tightly packed.
The plumbing is also very far out of code especially the DWV system. Often fixtures don’t have any vents, or he used sanitary tees on horizontal runs and even put some in backwards. The whole house is a real mess. I sometimes think it would be cheaper to tear it down and start over, but I’m am having to do all this work while two families are living there full time.
The Milwaukee stapler is actually pressure sensitive so if you want a loose fit, just press lightly against the wire/cable
The website description from Milwaukee doesn't state this, or at least i didn't see it...
I do prefer a tighter staple and sometimes need to hammer the Dewalt staples where I feel they need a tighter hold. The Milwaukee seems a bit better in this area.
Thanks!
I’ve got the Dewalt unit but from looking at the Milwaukee i need to get a new unit. Great video
Who needs a cable stapler when you've got all the time in the world to hammer in each one by hand on that ladder you love so much
OK, thanks!
Nice comparison.
A lot would depend on the battery platform your already using.
I had both D-20v and M12.
I moved over to M12/M18 to go with 2 batteries and only 1 charger (I also had brands of battery tools, which got to be a royal pain [6 different battery types]).
I chose M12/M18, not because Dewalt was bad, but rather M18 expanded to other fields (HVAC, plumbing, electrical, mechanical..) As a farm and a facility engineer I have to "do it all".
DeWalt hands down and if you put a DeWalt power stack battery on it'll be even lighter. The only plus for the Milwaukee is the larger staple count but being the DeWalt is 2 lbs lighter it's a trade off most will gladly take. Thanks for another great video
Thanks! Well thought-out reasoning.
Thanks Bill! If the Milwaukee was available a year or so ago, I probably would have leaned that direction. The staple drive is really different between the two units. I tend to like my cable runs fairly neat and straight. In my opinion, the DeWalt leans toward more of a cable "support" role than a "securing" one. I do as someone else mentioned below, tap the staple nearest the boxes and a critical direction changes. This I feel allows me to "secure" and tighten the runs of cable and keep things, in my view, more workmanlike. As I said in your previous review, I probably won't reinvest in a new Milwaukee stapler at this time in my career. Thanks again for the comparison!
Hi Don! It was a very interesting comparison for me to make. I really didn't know how it would turn out. Your method sounds great!
A staple is a means of securement. If they were on top of trusses they'd be supported but still need to be secured, so that's where staples, zip ties, etc. come into play. If they are run through a bored hole then they are considered secured and supported.
@@SparkyChannel Thanks Bill
@@illestofdemall13 Agreed. Referring to the DeWalt stapler, I likened the loose fitting staple as more supportive than securing. The DeWalt stapler, to me does not "securely fasten" the cable in place within 12" or 8" of a box just as in 334.30 (A) Horizontal Runs Through Holes and Notches In other than vertical runs, cables installed in accordance with 300.4 shall be considered to be supported and secured where such support does not exceed 1.4-m (41/2-ft) intervals and the nonmetallic-sheathed cable is "securely fastened" in place by an approved means within 300 mm (12 in.) of each box, cabinet, conduit body, or other nonmetallic- sheathed cable termination.
Have been using DCN701 for 4 year (Europe - flat cables - mounted to aerated concrete and to wooden roof costruction). I must say I love this tool. Have 2 of them - in case one is broken :). A week ago let a Milwaukee staff came to me and present Milwauke tool. My impression - stay with Dewalt. Milwaukee has some advantges - more handy, more balanced imho, loads 3 sets of staples (Dewalt - 2). But what I noticed during 20 minutes operations 2 things that convinced me to stay with Dewalt . Ok - 3 things - price of staples - in Poland almost twice the price of Dewalt- sometimes it matters. Second - the mechanism preventing the cable to be damaged by staple (in tight/high/dark spaces where you fight to put the tool properly) is waaay better in Dewalt :( Milwaukee shoots even without cable under - just press the stapler and it shoots - in Dewalt there must be wire ..or something that you want to mount under the nozzle (?) and than it releases the staple to be applied. It is esp. important fore me if i use cat6 cable or tv cables. It is probably possible to modify that thing in Milwaukee (needs to cut 2 mm of the "tongue" in the nozzle. Probably. But warranty is then gone ...and the effect is not confirmed - it is just my best guess so far. The third thing is a jammed staple removal ! Look at the construction of the Milwaukee. IF staple is jammed it takes A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT to remove it - fought almost 6 -8 minutes to remove a jammed staple. Just because of construction of the staple magazine. And belive it or not - sometimes they jamm - more often than you might think. Milwaukee is a good tool but because of above mentioned reasons i stick with Dewalt. Oh btw - both staples need some kind of warning/signal - "last staple" - imagine the feeling when you climb up the ladder, hold the cable , balancing ...and realise that the previous shot was the last :(((( And (i know - it is not easy to achieve -looked into inside of stapler ) the regulation of the power of the shot would be a huuuuge advantage.
I have the Dewalt stapler! I love the thing, saves me a ton of time, compared to banging in staples old skool lol I use Dewalt tools, so that's why I brought that one. I also can staple 6/2 no problem. A must have tool for residential electricians
Great tip!
In what house are you installing 6/2?
@@matsudakodo I SAW THIS IN TENNESSE FOR A/C UNITS IS #6-2 SEU
Great video Sparky, obviously they are both quality tools and either one would be a good choice. As usual, I think it will come down to the battery platform that you're using. I'm a DeWalt guy so it's an easy choice. I don't think there is a big enough difference with either of them to get somebody to buy outside of their platform.
Great point!
I wish they had the ability to tune staple depth, that feature would make either one just that much better. The Milwaukee would get into tighter spots more easily so my vote is for that guy.
Neither company wants to do that for liability reasons, but I agree with you. Thanks!
Yea, listing my dewalt kit for sale this week since everything else I use is m18 or m12
Milwaukee makes superb Nailers 23-up. But I prefer the looser staple, especially on data, audio… electrical not as important but still should allow movement and not squeeze or pinch cable.
I assumed there was a adjustment, since not then DeWalt.
So you can adjust the depth of the staple depending how much pressure you put on the gun. Just tried it out yesterday on coax.
Alright, it’s a Sparky Saturday Night Tool Smackdown event…. LOL.. I didn’t realize Dewalt had a cable stapler…. Another great informative video. Enjoy the rest of your weekend Bill…..
You bet. Thanks Bill. You have a great weekend as well!
I have both and I actually like the Milwaukee better. I have drove staples into native with that one and the design of the Dewalt will not let thoes staples drive in. I have also had problems driving the Dewalts into trus lumber.
Thanks Kevin!
I’ve owned both, sold my dewalt to a coworker who is a dewalt guy. I think the dewalt is a better feeling stapler, but the Milwaukee wins just for its size. That was my only complaint ever about the dewalt
Thanks Bob. Nice comparison!
I just wanted to say thank you for this comparison. It was very thorough. Have a happy New Year!
Thanks!
Having the cable a bit loose under the staple is actually preferred by inspectors in ontario canada. If the cable doesn't move, it's a failed inspection.
That way there can be no damage to the cable.
I guess "secured" is another one of those ambiguous terms in the code book.
I think buy the one that fits into your battery platform. I bought the M12 because all my power tools are M12 and M18.
Definitely a compelling argument. I use Dewalt primarily for 18v/54/108 tools but M-12 for 12v. I have both systems but the Dewalt does great and it was on the market first. 🤷🏻♂️ I like both brands. I’d rather it be a touch loose, i can always use my lineman’s pliers or hammer to tighten it up slightly at bends or wherever needed
@@nsatoday I bought the Milwaukee only because all my tools are Milwaukee. I think the trick with it is to use light pressure on the M12. Sparky demonstrated in the last video showcasing the M12 Cable Stapler that there was a difference in staple depth depending on how hard he would push against the wood before pressing the trigger. The DeWalt seems more fool proof, I'll admit.
Hi Kris! Yes, they are both excellent. I love that the Milwaukee takes 45 staples compared to 34. Yes, a light touch works great with the Milwaukee.
Well said, that makes perfect sense.
I am a homeowner. But have done quite a bit of electrical and data cabling. I have both battery platforms, based on your video, I think I will go with Milwaukee’s. I have one of those Gardner Bender things and they are horrid on my opinion. I have tremendous grip strength yet a lot of those staples are loosely goosey.
I run a Milwaukee platform, with 1 exception...this stapler. I prefer the Dewalt for 2 reasons: 1. I like the looser wires. Milwaukee should do the same, at least give us a depth changer. 2. You can dry fire the Milwaukee but need a cable in place to fire the Dewalt. My 2 cents
Thanks for sharing!
That is helpful to know about dryfiring. I was looking at using this as a secondary use without nm wire.
Ive been using the dewalt for a few years and honestly I dislike the fact that it doesn’t choke the romex enough to help it from sagging or buckling
Thanks Angel!
Still enjoying my DeWalt stapler. I will never go back to cable stapling by hand. Thanks Bill!
Right on brother! How is your daughter doing?
@@SparkyChannel She is a little fire cracker and she has a little brother now too! I have a feeling she'll be out on the jobsite with me in not too long! God bless you Bill!
This exactly why I use "per task" when purchasing. Milwaukee and Dewalt 🎒
Thanks!
Here is a trick, with the millwauke if you press it more it gets tighter if you wanted it looser get it barely touching and will be a looser staple every time.
True, excellent tip.
i use Dewalt for moreless 2 years (electrician) only on aerated concrete (europe-different technique of building homes) and i must say i LOVE IT it speeds my work 3 times , is easy to handle. minus of dewalt - no regulated force of hitting mechanism - for aerated concrete sholuld be a little more power ...so thats why i try milwaukee because it seems to be stronger . another issue of dewalt - in time the mechanism is going to be loose and staples stuck from time to time. also if you load staples mustdo it carefully - if you close it quick - staples deform. but anyway a goodpiece .
Both of them need a thumb wheel to fine-tune the staple depth. Shocked neither figured that out. Would be a very easy improvement seems to me.
True, but it would be a liability issue for the companies. Someone might adjust it down too far and damage cables.
I have been using the Dewalt stapler for 2 years now, it’s great for Romex but I wouldn’t want to add up the time lost when working with Ethernet cable as it tends to slip between the depth/ safety guide and won’t function until you pull the cable out of that gap and focus on making sure the cable is in the middle of the guide finger. Looks like the Milwaukee has much less space for this to happen and slow the job down, if doing this for almost every staple. If someone has the solution to this issue, I’m open to suggestions. Since I already have the Dewalt, I’ll modify it to reduce that gap so Ethernet cable doesn’t do this. Even though I have mostly Dewalt tools, I’d go with the Milwaukee as I do have a couple M12 & M18 batteries.
Thanks!
Even though I have mostly makita saws I go with milwaukee for nailers and staplers they are just better
Both are great and useful but I own the gardener bender cable stapler and it works as good for romex and coaxial cable and more.
Thanks for sharing!
Dewalt all day, you don’t want to crush the insulation on the romex
Yes, crushing the Romex would be very bad.
Yes, you're correct. I've used my buddy's Milwaukee stapler before, but I now think I'm going to get the DeWalt one eventhough the Milwaukee one is more compact.
I use M12, M18, & 20V Max. Had no idea there was a Milwaukee. I bought the DeWalt thinking they were the only ones with this sort of stapler. After watching this and having used the DeWalt for many rough-ins, I'm happy with my choice. I usually turn to M18 first, then DeWalt, and M12 last and have switched some DeWalts for Milwaukee's. This wont be one of those tools. One note is it's a pain sometimes stapling a single low voltage wire, but works out either way.
I love Dewalt but my journey in WA would kill me if my cables were that loose. Milwuakee secures way better
I seen the label said also good for cat3/5 or coax. Can you do a comparison for us low voltage guys? I’d like to see which is better for cat5/6 and how many wires you can fit under a staple or if they pinch too hard.
Check out my vid on the Milwaukee cable stapler. One of the staples pinched the coax so I wouldn't use the Milwaukee for low voltage. I would hand staple with the correct staple or use a specific low voltage stapler. The DeWalt would be fine because it leaves the staple a little high, but the staple is really too big (3/4") unless you're using multiple low voltage wires in a run. Just my opinion.
I am a low volt wire guy, I just use those staples to zip-tie my wires to
I’ve had the Dewalt for a few years now and I’m happy with it. I’ll buy the M12 stapler when the Dewalt fails.
Might be a while... Thanks Ron!
using my stapler today, I learned that I don't like it for stacked wires running up the inside of 2x4s. I prefer to hammer those up
Which stapler do you own?
@@SparkyChannel sorry the milwaukee, just seems a bit tedious to get both wires lined up and stapler vs slapping a staple over it. 😉
@@FixthisCD I see, thanks!
Sparky channel tool magic for the win!
Thanks!
I've owned the DeWalt cable stapler for about 5 years now and IMO, it's one downfall is that the cable detection nub is not sensitive or wide enough, making it sometimes fail to fire a staple when just single runs of 14-2 Romex is being secured. If the nub was just 1mm longer and wider, it would work far better.
Thanks Rob!
@sparky channel I am kinda surprised that there aren’t any depth gauge adjustments on the tools; so make those “micro” adjustments that sometimes need. Yes, the tools have the “auto adjust” features; but sometimes us users need to make adjustments.
For now, after sing this vid….sticking w/ my DeWalt, as still works great, and like said….this my 2nd DeWalt tool, but see no reason to change for the Milwaukee
Cheers Bill & thx again for the work takes for making these vids 🙏🏻✌🏻
Thanks so much! That was a fun one to make.
Yeah I wish there was a depth adjustment too. With the Dewalt I find that I have to use my hand for depth adjustment - push down hard to really sink in the staple, limp wrist it for a very loose staple. Also have to adjust firmness of pressure based on how hard wood is - green wood you can be a lot softer on the grip than 100 year old old growth.
I have not tried the Dewalt, but the Milwaukee easily adjusts between light and firm stapling depending on how much you depress the safety plunger. It's pretty intuitive to do even after 1 day of using it.
I tried Milwaukee staples on my DeWalt gun, according to the box they have exactly the same measurements. Though it couldn't shoot them sometimes as the Milwaukee insulation jammed the gun. Wish there is a modification to make it cross compatible with Milwaukee staples as that what my supply house has.
I tried it too. Neither staples can be used with the opposite brand.
They want to sell you their staples! Just like printer ink, toner, etc.
@@matsudakodo Yep.
This is great!! Will watch this later on! This weekend!
Hope you enjoy it!
In my opinion I think I would like to use Milwaukee even though it weighs more I would like it to fit in smaller openings. Thanks
Great point! Thanks Ernie!
I don't understand why these manufacturers can't get it right either get the automatic adjustment right or put a switch for high low power. I like my dewalt but single cables too loose and hard wood good luck. Tempted to try milwaukee if it has pressure sensitive power? but that looks way to tight looking at video. Staples do seem thicker and might work better in hard wood.
I often had to come back after my dewalt to tap the staples in. So far the miwi haven't had to yet
Sounds right.
Both these are ok… make one they will staple MC inside a metal building and I’ll be impressed 🙏🙏
They aren't for metal studs.
Trakit
I dont care what brand you love, but i love not smashing my fingers. I have the dewalt and there is some sort of glue on there. If you have to pull a staple, you might as well cut it
No smashing fingers for sure!
Milwaukee all day
Thanks!
Exactly what I was looking for! Debating to make the switch from DEWALT to Milwaukee.
What are your thoughts about switching?
I like the fact that the Milwaukee does staple tighter. The DEWALT leaves a little too much wiggle room for my liking but that’s why I always hammer in the first and last staple with my linesman so I’m able to pull the romex tight and keep it neat.
Just an extra step I won’t have to do with the Milwaukee but it’s not a major issue as I always have my hand tools on me. The DEWALT stapler has saved me plenty of time running wires through crawl spaces and attics.
@@joshd605 Excellent!
Well, I decided to switch since someone offered to buy my whole DEWALT set and staples that I had. Much happier with the Milwaukee stapler. I’d say it sinks the staples in Atleast 1/16-1/8 of an inch more than the DEWALT ones on the same piece of wood.
for me is dewalt..bcoz,,the wire can move...pra hindi gaano maiipit ang wire,pra din hindi masugatan ang wire
for me, the dewalt failed to make the wire secure. if the wire can move that easily, it can be snagged and pulled out of position, possibly even damage the sheathing by dragging it through the staple.
Thanks Ken!
Hi Bill, great video. I have the M12 and it really makes life easier. In a crawl space, being able to have all you need to staple in one hand is super convenient. On a side note, where does one get a digital copy of the NEC like yourself and so many code guys use in their videos? Ive been searching for one but with no luck?! Thanks!
Great tip! The NEC website has free access.
I have the Dewalt stapler,it saves me an enormous amount of time.I just wish the staples were more secure like the Milwaukee.It makes your work look so much better when inspection time comes.
Thanks Spencer!
Exactly
Dewalt's are too loose. You either have to use way more staples than you otherwise would, or you have a sloppy job with loose wires everywhere.
Thanks!
Or you have to hammer them in tighter which is counter productive. The point of the tool is to not have to use a hammer Lol
You want them a little loose you know nothing obviously
@@loucifer4205 Nope. You want them holding just enough so the wire won't move. But not more than that. It's a fine line that these cable staplers can't straddle. That's why I still do it the old-fashioned way.
@@phi5head I'm saying I rather have a little looser like dewalt than too tight by Milwaukee
you can use Milwaukee staples on the dewalt but Milwaukee won't work with the dewalt staples.
I got to this by asking if the staples are interchangable.
M12...., but it would be nice to buy the lower cost staples.
Can you test the new Klein stapler vs the cable boss
Electrical contractor here. Both are terrible. That's why I'm investigating a battery operating one
Hey Bill, In Milwaukee's promo they show that the M12 Stapler can be shot without having a wire in place (to make a zip tie mount). My biggest issue with my dewalt stapler is when I try to tidy up something like Tstat wire or alarm cable, it is often too thin to activate the safety mechanism. I was hoping to see how the Milwaukee works to allow shooting a staple without needing to manipulate the depth gauge?
Interesting. I 'll consider that.
Just need to press it down until center is activated or you could always use a sacrificial wire like a piece of coax
1:05 of this video czcams.com/video/RChUkHWC-xc/video.html appears to answer my question. The dewalt will not shoot without a wire and drives me crazy. Does the Milwaukee work like it does in this video? No wire needed to shoot a staple.
@@kevinhayes6318 yes, the Milwaukee will fire with no wire.
@@kevinhayes6318 my guess is the milwaukee has a safety like nail guns do, which releases the trigger when the gun is pressed against a surface, and then it has a separate depth guide that is positioned by the wire to set the depth it drives to.
A couple of things here . First and foremost is the NEC code the two words support and secure- that interpretation can vary from inspector to inspector, that’s the gray area. Other then that I like the deeper line-up gauge on the deWalt better and I think it does a better job more consistent stapling. Holds a little less and is heavier and a little bigger. But I myself tilt to the deWalt over the Milwackee. The big thing I’ve found over the years using cable staplers is the line-up gauge and being able to get the cable in the right place and not stapling into and through the cable. That function and ability reduces time and stress.
The deeper fork on the front of the DeWalt really does make it a little easier to line up. The last thing you ever want to do is put a staple through the cable, especially if no one notices it and then the drywall goes up. Thanks Joel!
@@SparkyChannel got that right. The big fear nobody notices. I installed a 400amp service into my 67 year old house replacing the Zinco breaker box , I found a hole mess of BS in the house.
@@MrMopar413 That's why I always preach safety on this channel. ῼ
@@SparkyChannel got that right. I’m retired heavy industrial. Safety first. Safety rules are written in human blood. Even with safety rules and procedures I’ve had some very big near misses but thankfully no hits. Hay just for laughs do you know about a channel on CZcams titled Refined ??? It’s a riot.check it out👍👍.
I have dewalt and seeing it compared to Milwaukee I'm glad I got dewalt. Being an electrician and having to put circuits on arc fault or ground fault protection if wires are pinched like Milwaukee will do will create problems. No matter how hard you push dewalt is the same. Milwaukee changes on how hard you push and you can see the damage it causes.
Excellent point. Arc fault breaker problems can be so hard to find, particularly if it's something inside a wall.
What a matchup
It is a good match-up! thanks Frank1
thank you so much，
No problem, thanks!
How do these do with more fragile wire like Ethernet cable
I’m a low voltage tech and have staples countless new build apartment units, I have the deWalt gun, and it’s very friendly against cat6 and coax cable, the most I can get in one staple is 2 cat six and 2 coax but have to be careful or you’ll puncture one of the wires, but it’s very low voltage friendly
Always good stuff. Thank you
You bet. Thanks!
@sparky channel
Thx Bill for doing this vid. As was so hoping you would!👍🏻👍🏻
I remember the 1st vid you made w/ dewalt stapler as that’s what there was, till others started. Asking and now Milwaukee has theirs.
O, being able to see the differences/comparisons side-by-side is pretty cool, since don’t have the Milwaukee. But still use the dewalt, which is nice and works; but have more Milwaukee, Metabo HPT/hitachi, Bosch, Makita tools than DeWalt (as like buying tools that each brand does best , and at a great price) which means I’ve got a DeWalt able stapler, blower, and that’s it😆
So, might change o the Milwaukee if DeWalt ends up dying, b/c if tools works till and well…..not really makes sense to switch tools, even if have more Milwaukee batteries and accessories etc; but time will tell.
Thx again Bill for making this, b/c I really almost bought the Milwaukee Cable stapler soon as saw it; but had to take step back and thick about why? (Meaning: was b/c prefer Milwaukee, metabo/hitachi, Bosch, and bostitch over DeWalt; yes know Bostitch IS DeWalt, lol, but for some reasons my pneumatic Bostitch prescision point pin nailer, siding, & roofing nailers are still going strong whereas we’ve used DeWalt versions of the roofing and icing nailers and they didn’t last a season🤷🏼, and have had my Bostitch pneumatics for years!), b/c if have a cable stapler that does work, and do have 2 batteries that can swap out when 1 is dead…..hey go out and buy the new Milwaukee…..so I did not; but did wanna see more vids/reviews about BOTH to see if one truly better and should be using, compared to jut buying most expensive and staying in platform when the tool might not be “as good” as some other brands.
Hope makes sense, sorry about long comment and going off on tangent there……
Have a good one Bill, and really do thank you for this and other vids; as your opinions really do matter to me ą your not just a reviewer….you’re in the trades and “know” the nuances of a good tool vs a great tool, and than a tool you shouldn’t waste time and money on.
Cheers Sparky😊✌🏻
Yes, no sense spending money unnecessarily. I tried hard to make the video fair and unbiased. I'm glad to hear that it helped. I know I wouldn't have any problem using either one of them. Thanks!
How does Milwaukee stapler do with 16 or 14 awg fire alarm wire?
It works fine.
Loose cable is much better for data one, you don’t want to get damaged cables after working 3 days…. That’s what happened with me 🤨🤨
I like both companies equally but I feel DeWalt wins this one.
Thanks Bobby!
Is Mikita in the mix yet? Great video again!
Not yet. Can't wait until they make one! Thanks!
project farm made a review of just standard staplers, new Ryobi and Makita were best. $80 vs $229
czcams.com/video/5zOQk0Y3sYI/video.html but not for cables
I use both battery platforms, but I’ve got more Milwaukee M12 batteries, and no 12v Dewalt tools or batteries. So I’m gonna have to go with Milwaukee.
The DeWalt is a 20V Max tool, not 12V. Still Milwaukee?
Yes, I’ll still go with the Milwaukee. Lower profile, and as long as it doesn’t damage the insulation or jacket, I’m good with tight. Just came out from under a house with a tight crawl space and it was not fun dragging my tray with a hammer, staples, and dikes, with barely any room to swing a hammer. Besides, all my Dewalt batteries are 5 amp and bigger for my big tools. Lol. Thanks for replying. Great channel.
@@SparkyChannel The good news is the plastic on the Milwaukee staple was deformed, not the metal. It seems the plastic is meant to be a buffer zone between the hard metal staple and the soft sheathing of the NM cable. I'll do an experiment on a scrap piece of NM when I get my M12 Cable Stapler by over driving a staple then removing it to inspect the sheathing of the NM. Then I'll strip off the sheathing to inspect the inner conductors for damage.
I go with Milwaukee dewalt goin out of market very soon !! But thank you sparky for all your share videos that make me learn a lot God bless you !!
Thank you! And GBY as well!
So great.
Thanks.
P.S if I am going to get then Milwaukee is always first.
Right on, thanks Tommy!
The Milwaukee cable stabler you can use it in other things right not only cable
Yes, that's true.
Dewalt is better because you have the option to make adjust to the cables position whereas the Milwaukee would require you to remove staples to make adjustments.
That's a good point. You can always tap the 1st and last DeWalt staple in a little with your linesmans or a hammer.
There's no depth guide on either one of them that's odd?
it looks like there is a depth guide in the cable channel. - the drive mechanism drives to the depth that blade in the middle is pushed to by the cable.
They each have non-adjustable depth guides.
The tongue in the centre of the mouth makes contact with the cable automatically setting the depth. This is why it works exactly the same way with stacked cables as a single cable.
Nobody wants a loose wire in certain circumstances
Yep.
In those “certain circumstances” you just give the staple a quick tap with your hammer or linemen’s!
@nitaexplore711 there's no point in having a stapler then
Roofers occasionally have to use a hammer and so do framers. I doubt they would say that their nail guns are useless. @markk3948
I am more curious about the discrepancy in the stapling capability of the Milwaukee from your 2 videos.
Hi Gary! What discrepancy are you referring to?
@@SparkyChannel In that first video that I saw of only the Milwaukee, it didn’t have near as many “failing” staples as it did in this one. I only really remember 2 that didn’t pass your tests. In this one almost every staple failed.
@@garyprn2000 Actually, most of the Milwaukee staples were just right. It's just that I pointed out any that I thought were too tight. That might have made it appear that most were failing, sorry.
Definitely the milwaukee the dewalt was always way too loose
I see reviews complaining that the Milwaukee is too tight. Maybe they don’t use it more than just the video but to install cables looser with the Milwaukee you simply don’t push the gun down as hard against the wire. Put the gun down so the wire slightly depresses the plunger then pull the trigger and you get a snug wire. If you push the plunger all the way down and hold it tight to the wood then it will sink it tight. There is no way to get the Dewalt to hold a wire tight. The dewalt only does loose and looser.
I got the Milwaukee and although heavier I like the lower profile. I rewired my outdoor kitchen which has a low-pitch hip roof. I was able to get into the tighter spaces with the Milwaukee. I don't think the DeWalt would have worked in the corners.
Thanks for sharing!
You are splitting hairs on which is better. Go with the battery platform you already have. I already have the Dewalt one because it was available a year ago. A year of use beats not available.
Excellent advice. Thanks David!
I was gonna say the same. I've stuck with dewalt for many years and I am content with their tools. buying the bare tool itself saves a lot
almost 2 lbs lighter and cheaper staples? no brainer! Plus win goes to first to market. You snooze you loose Milwaukee! I own 2 dewalt. Crazy time saver
Milwaukee is better quality and sinks the staples correctly, unlike the dewalt.
Those loose staples wouldn’t pass electric inspection where I’m at. Romex can’t move under the first staple from the box
According to the Home Depot website and other comments, the M12 is actually lighter.
Deealt should make thier unit smaller then milwaukee - that b advantages in tight spaces...
Now I just need more new work to justify buying one!!
I hear that brother!
I'm wondering how well it works with cat 5,6 and coaxial cables
I may be in the minority, but I prefer the custom staples for the low voltage cables.
@@SparkyChannel which custom staples?
Tried the Milwaukee for some low volt today and it is very safe, but I opted for a loose stapling that did not actually compress the cables at all so they will still move back and forth loosely and could come out of the stud bay if you don't use enough staples.
Yellow gang or get out.
Thanks.
Loose by Default. Red or dead 😉
Does it take the 5A 18V batteries??
No, the Milwaukee does not. It takes the 12V batteries (all sizes).
Always dewalt
Thanks Paul!
🎉🎉🎉 # ( 1 ) The Big Winner 🎉🎉🎉 **** Dewalt For Sure ***
Love my DeWalt tools
Can you use these on MC?
Yes you can. I just tried it out yesterday. Does just fine with it.
With the only thing, that some inspectors will want un insulated staples
Can I just ask do the dewalt staples fit the Milwaukee? Are you able to try this?? I only ask as I’m UK based and have managed to purchase the Milwaukee cable stapler but they don’t sell the staples yet.
my understanding is the staples are proprietary to each driver.
I tried them both ways. The Milwaukee staples shot a few times in the DeWalt stapler before jamming and the DeWalt staples didn't work at all in the Milwaukee.
Thats great thank you for trying. My Milwaukee cable stapler turned up today so excited just need to wait for someone to stock the cable staples so I can use it 🤦🏼. Thanks again
@@pgoymer1980 have you found a stockist yet mate? Tempted to get the milwaukee stapler. Any good?
Hey Bill ! I was really hoping you would make this video. I like my Dewalt stapler and how it secures and supports the staples leaving them a little loose so that I know the staples are not damaging the conductors. Dewalt for the win in my book. It weighs less too… the stapler is often above my head so this matters to me !
Right on! Sounds good to me!
❤️❤️❤️ Milwaukee 😍😍😍 close shout between them 🤔🤔🤔
Thanks Paul!
Few discrepancies I've noticed. One the kit cost should've been included. They are the same cost of $299 most notably because a m12 platform is going to be cheaper than the 18/20v equivalent.
The dewalts weight is off l. Your previous video had it at 5lb 11oz with the battery and the assembly by itself is listed as 4.7 by dewalt. No way are they are going to market it as a 1lb heavier. Something was off with the scale.
Personally I prefer tighter cables but looser cables couldve been useful. Both brands should consider making depth adjustments so you can choose to leave it lower or tigher. Give yourself more slack with coaxial cables that you might damage otherwise while making the romex cable tight since that is how I interpret "secured".
I have used both. I like the Milwaukee so far. Fits in tight spaces and easier to pack and take out. Holds more clips, has a depth gauge. If you get used to it, you can run data cables easily.
DeWalt is longer and more chunky, doesn't fit in as many places that Milwaukee fits in so far Ive used, it has less staples can be a pain in the ass when you need the 11 staples extra. The depth thing doesn't matter, both are equally good. Weight is about the same as a m18.
You do not use it alot, but when you do, it is a tímer saver. Both are good. Pick the one where you have extra battery in. Your tool preference.
Thanks!
I wouldn't buy either one unless they are adjustable.
There is too much variation in the WOOD you're stapling too
Thanks!
That's what thr 9ah batteries are for
Kidding