How to Level Up With A Robot!
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- Practice with these robot drills to upgrade your game fast!
+ Clever Ways To use a robot
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Chapters
00:00 Intro
01:06 PowerPong robots
01:43 Phase One Stroke Development, Repetitions & Movement
06:27 Clever ways you can use a robot to practice
08:55 Phase Two Special Touches
12:34 Phase Three Variations and Randomizations
14:00 Favorite Robot Drills
19:55 Closing Thoughts - Sport
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Awesome video! Could you please expand on your 1300-1700 robot training? All the routines, training schedule, anything and everything, that's probably where the majority of your viewers are. Would help a lot! Thank you!
Robots helped me a lot. I’d also like to add that one other essential training aid is a rebound board. I know a lot of decent players can’t get even 5 reps when using a rebound board, shows how inconsistent their strokes are.
Love the rebound board! It’s taught me how to control my own spin and placement on every shot.
@@PechPongTT same here. It is so useful to help one understand one’s own spin and placement.
Looks like I’m getting a rebound board now😁. I just ordered a robot
Your instructions and advices are the best, everything makes sense.
Outstanding. What you said about hitting and then getting stuck is one of my major concerns - I see no way out. Anyway your videos are always so insightful. Keep going!
Excellent video, Seth. I wish more advanced players would talk about how they use robots in their training. I learned several new things from this video even though I'm a old veteran and a guru of the table tennis robot industry (played 50+ years and worked in the robot industry for 30+ years). Here's a tip I'll share that can make robot training more beneficial-use several differently colored balls in the robot and assign a different meaning to each one. So, for instance, in the drill where you were working on different touches for serve receives, you could signify white balls to mean use a short drop shot; an orange ball, a heavy, long push; a blue ball, a flick; etc. If you need more colors than white and orange, get a bunch of white balls and dye them various colors. This forces you to wait for the ball to be released before you decide what type of return you will do, much like you have to do in a real game. This really makes you have to concentrate especially hard. Try it sometime, I think you'll like it!
Great idea! Love it I will have to try that one
How do you get certain colors to feed into the machine? You can’t. The machine picks up whatever ball is on top of the pile of balls you have on placed
@@jasonhaiflich8967 And that's exactly it! We will not know what color ball is going to come next, and we are compelled to think about how we will respond only after seeing the random color. "This forces you to wait for the ball to be released before you decide what type of return you will do". Now, we could certainly have our own sequence of responses in mind, but that would take the randomness away.
Outstanding, thank you very much for the tips.
What fantastic tutorials! 👏 thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge.
Thank you! I’m glad you find them helpful!
This is great timing. Im looking at getting a table at home soon so I'll be using some of these and your previous tips with the return board. Your videos are always so detailed, ive been sharing your channel with a few of the players at my club and every one has come back to tell me how good your videos are. Keep up the amazing work
Hey thank you so much for the compliments and the referrals!! I try my best on each video and really stick to the things I know because I think we are all on a learning process in this game. More to come 😁
OMG! I am sure this is exactly what happened to me at the tournament today. I have a great robot as I don't have a training partner. I was felling very good training until the tournament. Will change my robot training and getting 2 chairs 😂 Great video Seth!
This page/channel deserves more! Excited for the growth and exposure to come with all the useful/informational content you deliver. 10/10 will recommend lmao
Thank you! I got into CZcams during a very competitive time but I’m up for the challenge of growing my channel while delivering the best advice and content I can 👍
Such a great, informative video! Thanks Seth!
Thank you! Glad you liked it.
Can’t wait to buy one!
I have been staying away from the robot lately for exactly the reason you state in this video... That it is very easy to get comfortable hitting the same ball over and over again with the WRONG technique. This video gave me lots of hope for training with a robot again ❤ thank you very much!
Right to the points.
Pure gold!
To put the robot an a chair far away from the table or sideways
is a great idea. I will implement that to my robotraining!
Great to hear you got something from It!
Loving it, good stuff 😊
Thank you :)
Amazing man, thank you very much for this video!
No problem! I’m very glad you watched and enjoyed it :)
Awesome tips! I have this same robot and use it refularly but never thought about moving the robot back for serves and other balls - genius!
Thanks! Yes it was mainly because I was having trouble with long fast serves! I got a little creative
@@PechPongTT yes! I have the same problem! It's easier to stay back from the table for those but then it's hard for me to move in and flick. I also have trouble reading the amount of spin. Going to try this out.
Any tips on how to set up those drills? Do you set powerpong robot height low or high for it?
Great lessons
Thanks!
Great video
Thanks, great stuff! Love my little robot.
Yeah they are awesome tools for practice 🙌
Thanks so much, your video helps me a lot .
Thanks for your advice last month where you advised my 11y/o kid to `Enjoy` her first competition (QED not worry). She won both matches against old/er experienced players (even winning from 2 sets down in one). 1st place in the group category. Won a Shirt & Competition Diploma. You had a bro to train with, she has an older sister who competed a bit to help train. Kids are clunky at first with matches.
I’m very happy she had a great experience in her first tourney! And that she was able to regain focus and come back, if emphasized she can take that experience (of coming back from down) with her for many years glad to hear it 😁😁😁
nice video, finally someone touching the subject in a serious way
im training with my robo pong 3050xl twice a day for a year now in addition to training at the club and i improved super fast with everything kinda, my strokes got much stronger and safer and i can open up backspin very good now on backhand as well and when im warming up with people i look like a much higher rated player than i currently am coz my basics got so much better
i still struggle with reading sping on good serves the most since i cant train that with a robot but thats pretty much it appart from wierd uncommon balls that i also lack expirience in
what im doing with the robot is usually:
- warming up with topspins random fh / bh and then random all over the table
- random serve recieves random backspin to sidespin both sides all over the table short-long so i can train to push them or flick or topspin
- playing all balls that fell off back into the net with training my own serves
- serves from empty to a lot of backspin to train to loop different amounts of spin
- a full game excercise which starts with random back/sidespin serve, into random backspin balls short/long that i flick/topspin open up, into slower and then faster topspins all over the table and then it starts all over
its really nice just playing this one for a while since it brings all kinds of balls and i can just go go pretty similar to a match
ofc it cant replace regular training matches but its a very good practice
what i still need to implement more is falkenberg movement which im a bit lazy on right now
Hey great to hear you have seen improvement by using a robot, your routine is pretty strong! I too need to start doing large movement drills more often! We can get it 💪
One thing the powerpong is lacking that the 3050 xl has is the ability to randomize everything on every ball. Powerpong only has randomizing what pre-programmed ball gets spit out. So it's not possible to set up a randomly placed, random spin serve then a randomly placed backspin ball then a randomly placed topspin ball, all with random amounts of spin. I really thought the top of the line robot would have that functionality.
Thank you
Thanks for this, really appreciated
No problem! Happy to share
Loved the graphics, acting winning against the robot vs real world, good video!
Thanks for watching! :)) now you know how you could improve with a Robot!
@@PechPongTT 5% off is a good deal! I might have to grab one!
Well thought and well explained 👌👌👌
Thank you! It was a tough one to organize but i liked how it turned out
Great recommendation to put the robot away from the table to practice receiving serves. The range of serves you can create is much bigger and more realistic than only using the robot on it's usual place. Thanks 🙏
Glad to help!! Thanks for watching
Great tutorial, as always! PowerPong allows sharing the drills. Do you know if a repository of drills exists?
Excellent tutorial Seth! Would you mind to share the robot training setup with me? Thanks
This TT robot video is not "one of the best..." as it is actually the best video on TT robot. Thank heaps Seth. I just wish you share your top 20 drills instead of the best 6.
Hey maybe I will show more at the end of a match review here 😁
@@PechPongTT stop "forcing" me to watch your matches as I've already watched all of them 🤣
@@cafephin2024 hahaha YOU WILL WATCH ALL OF THEM!!!! lol jk jk
Hi Seth, great video, thank you, really like the 5 drills you mention at the end. I have the same robot, and as you know, the drills can be exported and imported to another robot, would you mind sharing those drill files?
Hey I would love to share them with you. Maybe we can connect on Facebook or Instagram and go from there? My Instagram is PechPongtt and my Facebook is Seth Pech
Great idea Bernie and Seth, please let I join this drills share too. Power pong should has a forum to share the drills
Hi Bernie, I asked Seth about power pong reliability, support, parts, etc. Have you had the chance to use Butterfly Amicus Prime?
A TT robot should definitely be used in a smart way. It is easy either to improve very much with it or stuck in illusions and sheer mistakes. I experienced both things) but now I seem to advance rapidly, thanks to a good choice of routines. I use Butterfly Amicus Advance, it's flexible enough for everything I do.
Glad to hear you found a setup and routine that work for your game keep improving 🙌
Great video. I thought the car would crash into the house. What shoes do you wear / recommend? Thanks.
What's up Champ? Great video as always, what do You think about timo boll web coach?
Timo Boll web coach is amazing! He’s really insightful!
Hello. is POWER PONG ALPHA PLUS a good alternative to OMEGA?
Do you have any tips on any other option that is good. Want to be able to train, among other things, loop against non-spin, backspin and topspin?
BR
Jan
Thanks for the content. I wish I know this. I messed up my stroke using robot the wrong way
It’s ok you didn’t mess it up! You can dial it back in with practice 🙌 I learned some bad habits to but it’s very possible to fix them :)
I donated my Butterfly robot to the Fremont Table Tennis Acadamy I'm going to train on the return board I like the things I can do with my flip and also the dead ball loop...
Good plan 👍
(1) what is the ideal stool height to sit the robot on for away from table and to side of table placement of the omega robot? (2) in your fav 6 drills at the end...various positions. is that drill also various spins? (SS, BS, TS) in one drill?
Thank you very much for the all tutorial . However I wonder if you could tell me how to set up the robot( like the spin, speed) for practicing at level 1300/1700 and up. I’m really appreciate. Again thank you very much.
Will it be possible to share the diagram showing location and speed etc? I have robo pong. Also, I would like to spend a week with you one of these day to coach me. I probably should visit you or maybe when you visit California.
what is the balls/minute cadence you use for the game-like scenarios (like 60% forehands with 2 random backhands)?
Hi Seth. Any chance you can share the power pong drill files? Thanks.
Great content, thanks again. Have you had a chance to use the Butterfly Amicus Prime robot and compare it to the power pong omega that you are using? Is power pong reliable and easy to purchase when parts are needed? Thank you, I am deciding on either butterfly or power pong, your input will be greatly appreciated!
As far as I’m aware, the Butterfly and Power Pongs are actually the same robot, made in Hungary. The difference is the control software and user interface. Also some older models require an external control box, the new models have the control board built in, but I believe that the design and mechanicals are the same. I’ve had my Power Pong 5000 (requires a control box for my iPad to connect to) for 4 years, very reliable, consistent and zero issues. Great support too from UK Power Pong distributor.
I have had a chance to try both, the software on PowerPongs robot is light years ahead it’s really easy to program drills I tried the butterfly and really struggled to make drills with it. Also I know support for the robot if something goes wrong is reliable.
Great video as always, the only problem is that I don't have a space for the table at home... Not to mention a robot...
Anyway, could you do a more specific tutorial on forehand and backhand topspin against backspin? Your tutorials are golden so I would really appreciate such a tutorial ;)
Hi! I figured that may be the case for some people. I was thinking if you want to slow it down when it’s close you can just aim the robot to hit both sides of the table like a serve. And that’s a good topic to discuss I know many people have trouble with that part of the game.
@@PechPongTT if only I had a robot... We have one at the club set up like you say, but it's so inconsistent with the placement that you can hardly focus on the correct technique because every ball is different.
There are of course some tutorials on that, but I find your videos to be the best coaching guides on YT, you have a great way of explaining things, so I think it could help many players if you recorded such a video.
@@Brozi ok thank you I will keep that In mind it’s an important topic to be focused on
@@PechPongTT many thanks ;)
Hi Seth, would you be interested in doing some individual coaching online ?
Hi, love your stuff. What thickness K3 are you using? On what blade?
Cheers from Belgium
Hey, I use max sponge
@@PechPongTT is the difference between 2 and max big? In comming from 09C max and a bit scared of the speed difference
@@Flantispin would like to know the difference as well, playing 09c FH and rakza z BH right now
Lol that is me at 2:00. Jpen
Somehow I knew you or the other guy would find this video 😂
I experienced in a tournament this weekend that I had practiced so much vs. underspin and topspin balls that I wasnt able to adapt to a player that didnt spin much and just hit really fast nospin balls. Table tennis is so hard ... this balance between trying to learn the right technique and winning vs players that either go with fast equipment early and win a lot of games with speed or players that uses thin rubbers to control the game instead of developing the skills to control the game with spin ... I have to just trust the process, but its really tempting to just take a shortcut when losing to players that dont play with spin. I also find myself not being able to throw out the "practice the right technique" -mindset in matches. My practice with robot has probably made me not so adaptable to all the different types of styles and I am not good at reading the movement of peoples rackets so I sometimes dont get my feet moving in time because I focus a lot on the ball movement instead, which comes much later. All in all I think the robot practice has helped a lot on my technique, but there is a big skill gap in my game. If you were to judge my skill based on my strokes, you would maybe think that I am much higher ranked than what I am.
Table Tennis is hard! That’s for sure, and being a spin player can feel like an uphill battle against non spin players. What I have found in my experience is that each person has a slightly different view of control some people feel control by using less spin and others feel control with more spin. This is of course in a range because it’s very hard to play this game by flat hitting everything. It’s ok to take the long road it will pan out! :)
@@PechPongTT the worry I have now is if I am on the right road because I recently turned 39 and my legs get really really tired hahhahaha! A player in my club dont move much, but hes on a pretty decent level by hard hitting backhands and super fast gear
@@z0uLess then you must adapt! If you feel your physical cannot improve your level you should find different ways to play. More defensive, more flat more deceptive.
@@z0uLess man im 41 and im playing daily with a robot, 4 days of the week in the club and 2days gym
dont be lazy its a sport after all and you can work on ur specials while training ur fitness as well
@@Blackain66 so you have probably worked your way up to it and made your body used to that amount of trainin. I started playing table tennis at the age of 38. I can run marathons with no major recovery issues, but staying bent down in the knees like that for 15 hours per week makes my knees fail and its physically not possible for me. Its a question of whether you can learn an old dog a new trick -- a question of which I dont have the answer to.
Do you have any recommendations for cheap ones?
I grew up playing with RoboPong, I think they are pretty easy to use I would get one with a net so you dont have to pick up the balls every time.
@@PechPongTT thanks! Still seems a little out of budget from what I can see online. Would you recommend avoiding the Ipong v300 or do you think that can work?
How to develop a forehand like Aruna even Harimoto has a tough time defending against in Singapore Smash ? Maybe we need a video on all different styles of killer forehand ?
Yes a video about that would be good, I think quadri is social he is very physically strong and can move the racket faster than most. Someone was telling me when they went to watch the best players in the warm up hall there was no comparison between ma long and quadri, he just makes so much more speed
@@PechPongTT Is there a way to increase racket speed ? So, old car is unable to move as fast as a new one ?
Hey Peck! I want to post videos of my matches just like you, but I'd hate to post without a scoreboard. How do you add a scoreboard/tracker to your videos?
I made each one as a jpg and I put them on each point. I have over 100 different point combinations haha. Copy the settings and paste them across the whole match. Would be cool to see them let me know when you start uploading 😁
@@simonsays2006 yeah it took one good evening to make all the JPGs but now I just drag and drop them.
@@PechPongTT I thought you just trim the videos, watch them, and record the scores on an app as a separate video that gets overlaid
@@simonsays2006 that’s an interesting idea I make all my videos in Final Cut Pro
@@PechPongTT Ah, I use Vegas Pro 14 but haven't dove into it yet in terms of use. But if I can't overlay a scoreboard video using that, I'll set up jpegs
I have a different robot. In game situation, I find judging the drop position on my side of the table. Can you please tell me how to judge the Bounce coming on my side of table. I often move too far in and the bounce comes right below my racket. Hard to judge these bounces.
What was the lower end robot you used?
Robo pong 2030 I believe
Is the App from Power Pong better than Butterfly Amicus?
I think so the software was built from the ground up, I feel it’s more user friendly. I’ve tried both and I felt the power pong was easier
But why didn't I think about moving the robot further back!. Thanks a lot for this. Awesome tutorials.
Haha I’m sure you would have eventually! Glad to help
I spent the past 2.5 years working on the robot 5-6 days a week it destroyed my match playing. I stopped using it about 60 days ago and started practicing with humans again and I am making some shots I never had in the past, hitting a tournament on the 30th...
Yes it can have that effect If not done in combination with real playing! Good to hear you are on the up though!
@@PechPongTT The biggest gain might be from my service practice, I also added that to the regimen 1-3 hours a day 6 days a week....currently, Im still practicing my serves 4-5 days a week and playing with lower rated practice partners (teaching) 3 days a week...@64 Im still trying.
you must have done a lot terribly wrong then, most likely with a bad robot doing unrealistic spin, i had one too which i replaced with a good one pretty fast
a robot cant replace real matches but it can be a very powerful addition where you can train ur shots to be super reliable and strong and also ur footwork ofc
@@Blackain66 No, I worked my ass off on a butterfly robot and also Newgy my footwork and techniques are strong my level is up...
Hi Seth, thanks for sharing ur experiences w training w tt robot. am a table tennis coach and will try to incorporate ur ideas into future training w students.
Glad to hear you liked it, hopefully your students improve with the mentioned methods :)
U13 lebel vidio please
what is brand is the robot?
Its called PowerPong
I have a newgy robopong 2050. I can’t relate to the drills you demonstrated.
Hi, you cannot program the robot to do the drills I did or?
If you watch closely, Seth was using a Newgy 2050 in some of those drills he demonstrated. Many of the drills he demonstrated against the PowerPong robot can be done with the 2050, including those with changes in ball speed or timing. The only ones a 2050 can't do are ones that have either a change of spin or a change in the trajectory within the drill. The 2050 can mechanically change placements, speeds, and timing (time between shots), but it will be limited to one spin and one trajectory for each drill (because spin and trajectory has to be changed manually).
10:08 I am tired tonight, I will come back next time from here
Good plan!
How can I get this robot in India....?
I talked with the robot company owner he ships world wide, if you have trouble you can email or call the phone number on the website I listed a link in the description
Hi Seth, you only showed us 5 of your favorite drills at the end instead of 6. Did you forget one?
Congratulations you caught my mistake! I don’t know how I messed that up. I thought I had six sorry for the miscue
🌎🇪🇨🙂👍
8 balls 6 in the forehand is 75% in the forehand;) not 60% ;)
Quick maths
You are a robot though...
Two robots is better than one ☝️
1 year late but i have a question.
What is the difference from the alpha,delta and omega robot?
Because i was looking to buy the omega but is very expensive😂😂