This was a very interesting video! As someone with their own animated pilot, I can relate to a lot of what has been said. I worked on my pilot alone with a low budget and I've seen some people compare me to the big shows (TADC etc). Obviously my work can not be that high quality. Luckily, most people are very understanding and encouraging. I enjoyed making my pilot so much and I think if you have a fun idea and are enjoying it too, that's all that matters!
Oh hi xd Earth guy rocks! About people comparing, ehh people gonna do it, they like to compare company stuff with company stuff too. Most people don't consider behind the scenes, now if they were put in your shoes trust me they would sound different 🤣
It's somewhat refreshing to see an indie production, where the creator is working on it because they are passionate about their cool idea, as opposed to one produced by a megacorporation because they want the money. It's awesome to think that the indies might get more of the spotlight in the future.
I'm an aspiring TV Show Writer in college, and I really appreciate this message. Don't expect newcomers or independent productions to be perfect. There are so many amazing labors of love that are just effected by important factors, like budget or scheduling. And the people who create them are not perfect either, because we're human beings who can't make everything perfect, even as labors of love.
The explosion of the indie scene made me have a passion for animation. It's also just overall refreshing that indie animation stuff has a wide audience.
@@CrazyGreenFluff Hi! I don't have any official episodes out yet but I have made an announcement video and lot of short animations about it! It's called Pip and Friends. The premise of the show is about Pip, Bèbè, Latte and Ham goes on adventure from doing basic life things. It's a slice of life/ comedy show with hints of fantasy( From the crazy things they get into lol). Think like the looney toons show basically. Thank you so much for asking me about my project :D and I hope my explanation helps :)
@@PrettyYukiTheArtist that sounds like fun! i will check your animations out, and i will subscribe and await any further announcement or progress! thank you for telling me about your project ^^
If anything, the success of indie animation on CZcams, can show that for as much as we consume media from companies, subconiously or not, we can also go about extending that appreciation to indie animators, as they’re passionate for the medium just like general fans and viewers are.
Reminds me of when indie games were starting to emerge and shook up the stale video game industry for the better. I rarely look towards AAA games anymore, 90%+ of my games are indies. I hope a similar boom can help the animation scene as well.
I’m hoping that indie animations continue to grow in the next few years! I been following a couple of the indie animation mention in the video and I’m glad to hear that they know how important it is for artist to be artist! Can’t wait to see how everything goes in the future!
My two favorite indie animated series are Fairy Foxes by StickFreeks, and TOME by Chris Niosi! Fairy Foxes is about six magical foxes who live in the clouds and must use the mysterious Akira Amulet to win a war against evil hawks who want to destroy humanity! TOME: Terrain Of Magical Expertise is about a group of friends in a realistic VR game, investigating the recent uprise in hackers and uncovering the mystery of a strange power that infected the main character out of nowhere! I recommend checking both out! Fairy Foxes has a small community and has been going on since 2008, and we're currently awaiting episode 15! TOME began in 2014 and ended in 2015 [this may be inaccurate] and had an RPG game produced in 2020!! The creator, Chris Niosi, is also a voice actor that works in anime dubbing! He voiced Reigen Arataka in the English version of Mob Psycho 100!! :D I also have my own indie animated series that I'm working on; it has three episodes out already and the fourth one is in production! Awesome video as always, Fionapollo!
Wow, another person who likes TOME. It's especially really cool to see how Kirbopher has changed in terms of his animation work from 2011(when TOME started) to 2015(when the TOME series ended). It's also really cool to see how TOME compares to TvTome Adventures, which is the older sprite-based Flash animated series it is a remake of.
Finally the video is out! I'm so excited! Indie animation is legit my favorite thing to talk about. The fact that TADC has THAT many views (which is deserved) makes me smile so bad but, I'm not blind enough to see how worried it can be if the series pilot is just a one off thing and people forget about the hardwork involved. As for other pilots I highly recommend people look into the pilots that GLITCH prompted in their streams as they seem like our new upcoming pilots I believe should have a spot beside Helluva Boss, Murder Drones, and Lackadaisy. I'm also someone who's into promoting smaller less known pilots and while I don't know any now this video is a good motivation for mento start now. Very good video
Just like Indie gaming, Indie animation is also fascinating and impressive, especially uploading on CZcams, is fantastic. As much if your not a scumback and not treat your employees like crap, whatever something new is coming up, always support them, donate them and wish them the best for their works to come true!
I found indie animation to be very interesting because you never know what could come out of there (my boyfriend with Lackadaisy and myself with Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel/The Amazing Digital Circus). I, myself, have been working on a webcomic since the pandemic hit and I'm halfway done with sketching the first chapter. I'm very curious with where indie animation is gonna go
@MrRainbow228 My comic is about 4 supernatural beings who use their powers to get rent paid on time with help from their landlord and a fashion magazine VP. So it's a supernatural slice of life comic
Just wanted to pop in before finishing the intro to say something real quick: My dream currently is to have my own indie cartoon series (at least a test pilot or pitch reel or something) that is publish-ready so I can get the ball rolling for me personally (it’s hard for me to start something (mostly due to too many ideas) but I find my groove pretty quick once I finally begin!) However, I’m also kinda nervous about just how much attention my projects may get. It’s both great, but it can backfire very quickly! I don’t want to have a fandom or fanbase that gets too big and too toxic for me to handle! And I know I can only do so much, and I have to pick my battles! But I’m just both excited and nervous about the whole thing, especially since the internet would technically be my boss in this case…
I want more people to appreciate the concept of watching fewer episodes in a single sitting. It's great to spend time pondering each episode and letting everything sink in rather than get your answers straight away that you forget the smaller details like foreshadowing or themes just by binging. Disney Plus shows may be all over the place, but they're doing the right thing in releasing one episode a week, letting each episode sink in.
SCPeeps is a rather new scp indie animation focuse on an abandoned and wierd site following the scientists and other staff going about their daily life. The pilot aired 3 months ago, I hope that they make more soon I honestly live it.
2:49 To answer this question, I myself have been planning on creating a bit of a passion project, a comic series called "The Extraordinary Spider-Man" I've been tossing around ideas and concepts for 6 years and I'm not entirely sure if it'll be any good. I guess what I want to do is try telling a different kind of Spider-Man story which at this point seems like a bit of an eye roll but I guess we'll see
I just got to finish this video and gosh dangit I wish everyone working in or are just fans of indie animation should watch this video, CZcams is such a new thing let alone indie animation so it has such of variety work-wise. When I was making Howling Hoods, it was originally just meant to be a rough webcomic while I worked on something else however after some personal issues I ended up kind of jumping the gun and turning the comic into a pilot, and honestly, I wish I had the knowledge I had now when it comes to animation mainly because it's such a different medium, I have a more professional production now and I am improving with each update but I wish people knew it's a big thing to work on. Anyway great video
I can imagine how much this topic speaks to you. Your indie project Mint & Friends is quite promising and this whole trend feels like reassuring that also your time has come. Of course, it's still not easy to put forward this kind of project, and you know best how much passion, time and effort it still takes. But at least these good news bring the necessary impulse to carry on in hopes that even your project might someday work out. As for myself, I'll stay around and patiently wait for new sketches and hopefully the first full episodes of Mint & Friends to come out!
I got so excited multiple times because I recognized a ton of the creators and shows you mentioned and I'm so happy that they're getting more attention!
Well, I'm currently getting a passion project off the ground myself! And animated fantasy series...I'm still working on the characters, but I have a pilot and five episodes scripted so far... ^_^
I am currently writing a series myself, im a huge fan of animation and anime. I have basically stepped away from the mainstream studios and have hope for more independent companies. This series is my pasion project, and i feel hopeful that this series is going to be big.
I think indie animation is great. I haven't seen many beyond Hellava Boss, TADC, Lackadaisy and Murder Drones but i really do enjoy both the different styles of animation and the humour & plots In the case of Hellava and Murder, its also interesting seeing where the studios have taken the show after the pilot,seeing how deep each show gets with the story and characters. Watching the pilots, I never got the impression that it would go that way Also, Deepcut has started an indie show too. Garnet Heart, I believe
I'm leaning towards not being threatened by something that has more heart and soul and has brought more uproarious joy than any Disney remake ever could. The world needs more talented small-scale projects headed by passionate, unfettered creatives.
What worried me is that people don't have an appreciation for how much indie animation costs to make, and how a bad studio can easily blame the creators for the studio's shortcomings. See Crunchyroll and High Guardian Spice as a Prime example.
@@sethisevilone02Thank you for proving my point. Reactionaries hated it from Day 1, judging it for being "woke" as some all-defeating quality. Do you have any idea what limited budgets and executive meddling do to a story? It means you have to rush it, as opposed to the slow burn shonen-style storytelling Rae wanted. And even then, we got exceptional depth + character development with a world to support it.
@TheNightmareRider they didn't even tell you what being a guardian was Cmon don't die on this hill I've seen shows had this same issue but still told better stories Mr enter reviewed every episode and explain my issues perfectly
@@sethisevilone02 "They didn't tell you what a Guardian is" They literally did! Just because it isn't explicitly spelled out doesn't mean it wasn't explained. A Guardian is a fairly generic term like "Hero". It means different things to different students, but are all tied to the same goal of protecting the world. I've addressed all these bad-faith critiques before.
Wonderful video and quite insightful too. Personally, im hopefully that indie animation can be a new Avenue for people who didn't have a choice before. That being said, i do have my concerns. Talking into account on whats going on the tadc and past with RWBY. I hope people (the veiwers) realize their mistakes and give the artist some breathing room. For any artist, i recommend look at the history of rwby and see how community got with it is today. Each artist have their own style, level of funding, team size and dedication that lumping everyone into the same boat is just not fair. Eveyone have their stories to share, so let them show it you how they wanted. For all the indie artists and those who worry that the bar is set too high. Don't worry, the bar will be different for everyone, how do i know this? Because CZcams have seen this happen before, a subsection of indie animation that most people tend to overlooked, Minecraft. Aphmau through the years set the bar for her stories being told in that media butit wasnt push as harsh onto other creators and artists like xylophoney and rainimator. Just go out there and let world see your art.
It's nice seeing indie animation get more recognition, especially as someone working towards making pilot (not any time soon cause there's a lot I need to work on, but I'm doing a lot of prep with scriptwriting and character designs for a comic, then once it's up and running I plan to animate a short anime-opening styled video as an animation test and to promote the comic and then hope grow enough support from the comic to be able to pay a few friends to help me animate a pilot). But it is scary seeing how high the standard is becoming for the viewers. I really hope more indie protects continue to kick off and showcase their cool original stories and that fandoms and communities change for the better (as in the toxic patterns that reoccur in each project that gains large recognition).
I’ve seen many indie projects. This from slideshow story time, animatics, and animation. All of which has displayed a cornucopia of creativity and thoughtful application of the talents they have. It’s always wonderful to see peoples creativity on full display, regardless of the scale they are able to employ. It can be difficult to keep my own expectations in check but knowing that is half the battle. What I care most about as far as expectations go, is that people don’t burn themselves out. Any project I find any amount of joy or even just catches my interest leaves me immediately grateful for the work they did to make it happen. To the specific extent that I’d hate to see them overwork themselves in a fervor to meet expectations they aren’t obligated to reach in the first place. A lot of this attitude comes from a general care for my fellow inhabitants of the coil, however I wouldn’t be totally honest if I didn’t mention the greedy streak that also wants them to take breaks. I’ve found in the years I’ve lived that as kind as a person is we all have bad days. In our worst we can let our kind hearts slip, however greed is a bit more persistent. Using logic to make your greed want the same thing as your kind heart goes a long way to keep a lot of expectations in check. It’s not always the valiant honorable figure I want to be but it’s usually pushing me to be good if not always for good reasons. All this to say, if you like something someone made you can at least try to be kind to them. If for no other reason than to keep their morale up. It’s fine just never resort to cruelty. It’s easy to cast judgment in the world but quite difficult to create. The least we can all do is try to be understanding. That all on display, I wish you all a pleasant day. Sincerely -The Void
I've been working on an indie video game project for well over half a decade and have only really started promoting it on Twitter. It's called Battle of Transgressions, a platformer about a young goddess with her siblings on a quest across the world to head back to their parents residing back in Heaven against an outerversal presence that wants the child in order to bring about the Game Over.
My partner and I are making a fantasy comedy series here on CZcams! We're just two people but we're massively passionate and have decided to take a real stab at it since we got laid off back in October. We're able to get out a 1-3 minute episode per week, which is faster than we've ever done, but we still catch ourselves wondering: is it enough for growing an audience on CZcams? CZcams tends to favor creators who post more frequently and longer videos. Luckily, we had a few meme shorts go viral earlier this year, so we know what CZcams is capable of and we're determined to use that experience/knowledge to help our original series succeed. It's also exciting to see indie animation blowing up here on the platform, and it definitely gives us even more hope and validation that we're on the right path. I would love to see more indie animation of all budgets succeed!! Maybe it's just me, but I think there's something special about imperfect animation and/or animations made from smaller teams or even just one individual.
Great video as always. I love how this topic is done with other Indie Animation creators talking about it. My friend and I are working on our own indie animated series as well that I joined in on because this was my friend's show idea that I REALLY WANT TO BE A PART OF!!! Plus, we both have so many ideas of what to do. We just need to find a way to structure it right. Of course, budget, crew and cast are the main obstacles to hurdle, but we always have a passion for this and to make a good first impression on the pilot and that's what matters most to us as a creative duo.
Thank you for all the shout-outs for indie animators! It's really good to see someone giving attention to the artists who need it the most! I'm working on an indie animation pilot right now, but I don't want to say too much about it because I feel like I'll lose motivation to finish it once I get the satisfaction of showing it off!
This has been an insightful video about the current indie animation landscape. I'm not full within the main parts of the indie animated scene, likely due to the fact that a lot of my own works (as well as works from those in the animation community I reside in) are mainly made as a hobby. ^^; I do wish those that are doing indie animation as more than just a hobby well!! ^-^
I'm working on a comic thing mostly for practice purposes, I don't know how I feel about having such a "student" quality piece of art out there but hey, I've been told to just do the thing and I've seen some webcomics that are... interesting... to put it nicely so I think my mostly proper grammar and little experience with writing can shine in place of my sketchy art with no color, drawing a few panels a day is very tiring specially when I'm not sure how a scene will look and I have to sort of go with the flow, I'm using the illusion of perspective without doing any measuring and most of these scenes are inconsistent since getting the feel for a 3 dimensional area without actually having it in front of me is kind of hard so I've given up on that and just want to have a background as opposed to empty space, I do use very big panels mainly because I've had problems with reading the text in the webtoon format and I want to try and fit as much text and make it as big as possible the thing I'm doing is called Dragonblood, still don't know how long I want the chapters to be but I do have some idea on the process, I can't imagine doing all those panels in a few days to appease the algorithm so I expect the thing to be buried on arrival which is good for me because this is all an excuse to practice and learn.
Thank you for making this video!! We've been doing commercial work for years and are trying to make the leap into indie work, this was mad informative!
Absolutely amazing video!!! You drew everyone so wonderfully!!! I LOVE The Amazing Digital Circus, and I hope indie animation keeps thriving and growing more and more!!! I'm so so excited for Lumi and the Great Big Galaxy, as well as Defenders of Alodia!! I also hope to join the indie scene one day with my own passion projects once I'm ready!!
i'm excited to see how wide the display inspirations and productions we'll get to see in the future. as someone who aspires to run my own production i am eager to step into this community myself.
the success of a lot of indi projects have been very exciting to see. Its been giving me the motivations to move forward with my own project that ive been sitting on for well over a decade. Been posting little skits of story boarding attempts on tiktok and been getting a little bit of attention, with is so motivating. Im thinking of posting them on youtube as shorts but, im trying not to burst this bobble of motivation. very good video, and a good prospective of how other indi developers think and feel about the industry as a whole.
It’s insane just how many animated projects have been coming these past few years, I’m having trouble catching up with seeing all of them 😅 There are Hundreds of years worth of work ready to be watched for free online, and I’m happy to add my years to it Go Indie!
I am sooooo hopeful for the future here! I, like many others have my own project in the works, and I can't wait to see all the awesome stuff that's bound to come!
Sorry I’m late, but I’m always very impressed and thankful to see how much research you do for your videos! You do so much to get clear views and opinions on a topic (and having multiple perspectives to keep thing forums becoming an echo chamber), or get proper information to make sure the facts are straight. Thank you so so much for putting in so much effort into your research, and to your videos in general!
That video was encouraging and insightful. I’ve been learning a lot about the animation industry’s problems lately and how indie animation is on the rise. It’s inspired me a lot in making my own indie cartoon. The pilot’s out now and since then, we’ve been working to make the show better.
Found this to be some great commentary. I don't think it really matters about how much backing some of these indie projects have, there have been some really good projects (The Big Lez Show) that imo easily best these really beautifully animated projects that have indie studios, and hundreds of people working on it-- just because the writing is so good, and you can see the love from people like Jared.
The support for indie animation has been so inspiring and exciting! I’m currently working on my own indie project called “Star Map” that’s been in the works for a few years 💫
this video's great!! as someone who's working on my own indie animated project, hearing everyone's input and love for animation is so infectious and makes me want to create and tell stories 💪 executive dysfunction be damned!
(making this comment while listening to this video) i love glitch when MD (murder drones) and Digital Circus (including metta runner and sunset paradise) the thing that i'm scared and worried about the TADC is the dramas that have been happening, the Micheal kovach controversy, the Sean chiplock drama and the gooseworx drama, for the sean chiplock drama (the Va of kinger) i gotten mad because people have been digging up his past from 2010 which is f-ed up cause it was in the past and i'm scared and worried for sean, the drama with goose is really darn dumby dumb cause again her old art isn't really a harmful thing to me cause i have seen more f-ed up things so it does really piss me off, Micheal kovach's controversy drama (i do still love Micheal no matter what) but the thing is when i didn't realize a person euthanized micheals voice and the VA of Caine (with two ai's that sound like both of them which is really not right cause that IS called using someone's voice technically, i think if i'm not wrong) and those drama's.....are making me really nervous and sad how people dig things up to ruin someones life, me referring to Sean when he gotten harassed by a i think it was 16 year girl and sent his fans after them (i think it was still the 16 year old's slight fault for making him do that, his old tweets as well is just a angst thing, unless i'm being dumb here :p) them getting harassed is really NOT good (especially the getting doxxed part) i do think people need to understand to not make drama happen cause it'll only make things worse and i really want those drama's to stop, keep TADC to a calm manner and not make the fandom to be more toxic to the point i do not want to hear anymore problematic, chaotic and toxicity of how fandoms can be
I’m new to this channel and this video talking about Indie animation as a whole… I can honestly understand some of the pros and cons listed but as someone who has been inspired by an indie series to take on animation, I just hope to make it far enough in the future once I get better at it. Indie animation has been a big inspiration the past year and a half for me and I’m happy to see indie animation get recognized as the future of animation basically and I have big hopes for all of these projects to be successful.
aspiring animator here! ive loved animation since i was young, and ive always had an obsession with creating characters and worlds, and im now starting work on my own animated project! great vid :)
I found GLITCH when Meta Runner came out and it was one of my favorite series when i was younger , tbh changed my life lol, i first saw it with my bestfriend
This was a really good video, and I have similar thoughts. It's exciting to see what independent creators are coming up with, and it has inspired me to make my own series as well. These are exciting times for the world of animation.
As someone working on their own animated series and this pretty interesting! It's also so refreshing to finally see so much originality from small creators, (I haven't heard of so many of these creators!) Showing once more to big entertainment companies that people DO want original works and if studios aren't willing to take the risks than we will. Great video! 💛
Very on point commentary on the matter, I agree with everything, especially the unsustainable high standards that take form in this cases.... Plus I didn't know anything about these project and resources you shared, I'm going immediately to check them out!!
Great video! I just seen a smaller upcoming indie series called Swift Spark and the Defense Five (the main character is actually voiced by Vincent Martella voice of Phineas from Phineas and Ferb) getting some unfortunate comments like it isn’t as professional looking like stuff like Lackadaisy, etc. Mind you there’s only one person working on it and it looks amazing, show it some love if you can! It worries me that people will keep being ignorant and mean towards smaller creators 🙃 I’m actually a voice actor who have been very much in love with indie animation for a while now and I’m actually apart of Defenders of Alodia VA cast so thank you for showing some to so many cool series! All these indie series and projects NEED to be given chances no matter how “small”!
I am currently working on several indie projects ( I’m an artist, animator, vocalist , voice actor and actor ) as well as some individual fan projects and my own stuff and going to public events and irl stuff all at the same time, I’m glad for everything I’m doing because I like it and I’m doing it with passion but it can be overwhelming, I had so many stuff to do with a deadline and to wake up so early I forgot to eat for a few days and feel ill, I’m healing and I finally got the guts to ask for help and glad I did
After seeing how big indie animation is becoming, I’m really eager to start my own animated story. For as long as I can remember, I’ve been wanting to tell the story of my OC Falcon. As of now, I’m working on a few animations of my character and his skills as a warrior
I'm a bit scared in regards to indie animation, because my dream is to technically have an animated project myself. I say technically because I don't have a team at all, and fully animating what I envision by myself is impossible for a person like me. As a compromize I want to do something in a sort of picture book style with an animated sequence either once per episode or once per chapter. What I am most scared of is the reception of my project. My story at first largely involves meeting and getting to know more people, and getting them to join a group of knights. I don't want to show the main cast all at once because of that. I find it fun to speculate what kind of person someone might be. So a pilot where everyone is interacting isn't really something I would go for. My current plan is that I have 5 chapters, each introducing one or two characters of the main cast, all devided into pretty short episodes. I really hope I can release episodes with larger, but consistant gaps, since I really like having a bit of time between episodes since it gives you something to look forward to, but also to take in what you just watched, and knowing when it will continue. Since the chapters are pretty closed at the end, I also have more time inbetween the chapters to prepare for the next one. I am pretty scared that because of the style, or the release scedule, my work will let down, in my current case, a too high standard to reach, and that everyone will be unrationally angry at it. I'm also scared that people could get weirdly angry or hate everything in my series because I have some queer themes in it. And often, when your writing is just pretty mid, people are a lot harsher. Personally I hope my work gets a small but kind following that really enjoys it, but I really just hope I can get at least the first chapter out without much trouble.
Indie animation is not a competition. We can congratulate TADC without putting down the other successful indie shows, especially when they helped to shape the indie landscape that lets TADC thrive.
This video and what the studio flimpo said in the end really motivates me to keep working on my indie series !! Especially since i have most of the season one planned the only thing i gotta do is keep posting about it and hopefully i can release an animated pilot in a few years :') But the webcomic pilot is on the way !! Thank you sm for this video and this lil "indie artist support" ❤❤❤
Love your videos so much .I'm currently working on a passion project to bring to light narcissistic abuse and the trauma that a victim might run into, I'm bad at wording stuff.
As for my own ideas… I have had an idea for a long long time for an animated series that uses 2D characters (frame by frame/rigged hybrid models) against a pseudo-simplified 3D animated environment, that resembles early CGI in stuff like early PIXAR shorts and those CGI segments/elements in the PBS Kids show, Between the Lions! The story is kind of a Dr. Jackle, Mr. Hyde kind of story, but with the zany-ness of Beetlejuice and the Mask, all wrapped up in a certain aesthetic that indie horror fans know all too well… and as of typing this, I have the overall series generally mapped out in my head, and I have drawn the main cast so many times I can draw them from the most insane camera angles! I just need to get the first script drafted! Also, My current plan as of typing this (things can always change) does involve moments that most likely will require you to grab a lot of tissues…and I mean…A LOT! I’M TAKING NOTES FROM PIXAR’S CRY FACTORY FOR THIS ONE! (As of typing this at least! Again, things could change! Don’t hoard all the Kleenex just yet!😅) One last thing: I love meta humor and fourth wall breaks, so I will use them in this, BUT…I’m not gonna go overboard! Don’t worry!👍
Yeah, Indie coming up in the world is amazing, all we can do is hope and remind people that theres a difference between a corporate funded animation studio and folks coming together to do it on their own. And even then, remember that amoung the indies theres a difference between hobbiests, indie with a full team and indie studios with like 4 to 9 friends.
I’m very happy indie animation is getting more attention. But at the same time it has me feeling weird. It just feels like people are turning away from anything from mainstream animation completely. I’m not trying to bat for the big studios, but there are plenty of shows from big studios, past and present, that I really like: such as The Ghost and Molly McGee, Amphibia, Transformers Prime, Danny Phantom, Ed, Edd n Eddy. I could go on. And while there are plenty of mainstream shows that I don’t like, I still want to look at what they might make next, in addition to watching some great indie works. But it feels weird with all of this “abandon mainstream” sentiment going around.
Yey its because dumb people on the internet do not want to just let cartoon and indie cartoons co exist and heck mabey I'm the only one that has a feeling that indie do have its downsize and some few cracks have there own flaws that can be improved but nope internet people spend most of the time putting indie on this petalstol that I don't they can even reach if this keeps going on like in a few years everything on the indie will fall apart if they keep increasing the expectations and once everything breaks than they will have no one ealse to blame but themselves on the internet and mabey the internet probly will not listin and heck the example already is happing with hellva boss a show that had great potential but in s2 everything was messd up and now the internet hates Viv and even with hazbin relise people on the internet doesn't know to actually give good feedback and and will stop bashing and even if it was also part Viv fault for being a pussy on vaild critism and her reputation has already been in the trash and if stuff like this keeps happening to different indie projects than in a few years they will start to question aboyt indie as a whole in animation and heck even indie vidoe games had a zero problem with it despite people even in the comments nagging about aaa gaming nonsense and even hasn' good ones like spiderman and even nintendo games for that matter atleast it's more more stable compared to what's happing with indie cartoon right now and right now it seems good that indie doing good but what will happend if the internet keeps up with the expectations and not meeting those expectations start to bash and attack people on Twitter tiktok and other platforms
And we'll once the bubble pops than people will start to get more and more scared of creating there own indie cartoons and well have less and less and less indie cartoons thanks to people on the internet being the worst that's my own worst case scenario in a few years and where already on this road with doxxing popular equal bad bull crap and also the Viv drama nonsense so more and more would just decide that making an indie cartoon on CZcams is bad because of the people on it
And yey its great that indie is getting more attention but will this really last in long trem if the internet doesn't leran to just change for the better and stop with the toxicity perfection was the entire smg4 its gotta be perfect actually predict the future of indie animation people wanting every single indie product to be a gravity falls and wanting it to be perfect with no flaws and even creators hurting themselves the way smg4 did to just make a perfect vidoe as a representation of indie creators having to deal on the internet on a bassist when doing a series and has internet people leran nothing and still blindly ignore the good shows from mainstream and they treat mainstream like its there firend even if its really dumb to think that
We're gonna need like a playlist for all the projects coming out, even if it's just a trailer! Like maybe we should like gather to watch a pilot every week haha
What is best about this is that these animations are made with passion and creative freedom, which is what allows 8 college students and a tonne of coffee to outdo a studio with millions tow throw around
I've been a big fan of SMG4's content since 2016, while his SMG4 content has not been the greatest over the years (I actually made my own gmod videos because of it), I do like what he's been doing in terms of indie animation
I’m creating a magical girl series that will eventually have it’s own manga called "The Wicked Prophecy". It would be amazing if it can be turned into a full blown anime but I have to wait and see where it goes when my manga releases.
So I've been working on a pilot episode for a dark fantasy series for a year now. I’m still in school and am only done with a storyboard so don’t expect something soon. No voice actors either, working on it.
10:00 it was always weird to me how hypercentralized control over your life is labeled "late stage capitalism", when I was raised being taught that hypercentralized control by government was a communist thing, and hypercentralized control by government, through private companies was a fascist things. Yes, that is the thing that made me want to comment lol. Now that i am here though, I agree with the cancel culture opinion.
It has more to do with how society treats people as "commodities" and "products". Much like how social media influencers promote themselves as some "brand" based on a more generic "relatable" slice-of-life fantasy. Fame also plays a role since many online people with a fanbase end up turning arrogant and trying to craft an unrealistic image of themselves (which becomes an issue when controversies of their bad deeds come into light, be it actual crimes or just petty personal fights they had with an old friend)
As someone going to college for animation, I really hope that I get to work on an indie animated series sometime. If anyone wants to see any of my animations, they're on my YT channel.
As a sole animator indie creator, it brings me joy to see how much progress has come since 2018 with works such as Cliffside! Now in 2023, there's so much more awareness and love for indie, and as someone whose enjoyed MAKING animation since I was a child, it's just amazing! Currently I'm making my own 2d animated shorts as a part of a wider series/story world known as 🌊 Dew Surfers 🏝 about cats on a tropical island and their lives! No pilot is planned for now but maybe someday a full arc could come out of all the stories I have to tell! To #indieanimation forever!!
I feel like another issue is audiences feeling entitled to a certain show going the way THEY want it to go and not respecting the creators choices. One series I watched the creator got death threats and had to delete their twitter account because people harassed him because the series ended on a cliffhanger and in a way they didn't want. While I think it was a dissapointing ending, I know that harassing someone over such a thing is way too far.
I myself am working on a short that will be the pilot of a series, although right now I am in a very early stage of writing and creating a separate channel for the project, sometimes I get discouraged by my lack of ability to explain The series is going, but I try to encourage myself to be able to better express the chaos that goes through my head and well, trying to do all this in a third world country that does not usually pressure animation and art in general, it doesn't help but see how you do. They manage to continue even being in a worse situation than me and completely alone, it motivates me to continue with everything without fear, And well, the fact that the general public sees indie productions in the same way as those from large companies can be a double-edged sword, since on the one hand they already see it as an equal but they may have very high expectations about what to see. in them, Personally, the real problems (in addition to money and high expectations) is this toxicity that exists in the haters of certain projects, this has already been seen especially in indie video games and it also goes hand in hand with this "moral puritanism" "The truth is that this is the real problem because let's be honest, if they were screwing you 24/7 you would have already abandoned and canceled everything, while you are reading this I'm sure that about five cases of this have already come to mind." what am I talking about, There are also other things, but I would be more related to the people who work behind these projects who perhaps should deal with the issues more maturely instead of fighting among themselves because three years ago they fought on a dircord server, Fortunately this doesn't happen that often, but they will still have to be more professional and adults to talk about this instead of hinting at each other. well even with all their failures in this young comunnity i am have hope for the future
Oh I have been waiting for this moment ever since Fanime (fan anime or fake anime) was discovered in 2012. Everyone’s got a story to tell and I’m all for it!
while they can be long, your videos are great. and the being long isnt an issue. it just means you have alot to say. and i like what you have to say. i just need to spend time listening to what you have to say. and thanks for standing up for artists. i hate how much corporate profit is killing so many things right now.
You should make a video about "Our Spellbinding Lies" it's a new indie series here on CZcams, made with a team of less than 10 people so its quality compared to the team number is extremely good. They released the pilot episode just yesterday!
I am unsure if Part 2's title is an eggcorn for "The Grapevine" phrase.... But anyway, it's great to get to see indie animations' skills, talent, and creativity! The Big Studios really need more competition to kick them in the butt and start allowing their people to break out of the little boxes they've been shoved in.
As of this message, The Amazing Digital Circus has 176M views! I've been watching indie animations on CZcams for about 10 years now, there's been many really great productions, it's just now eyes are finally opening up on them!
Been working on a passion project called "Elemental Stars" for the last five years and by early 2024 i hope to finally share it with the world here on YT. With this new outlook of indie animation i can't wait to see other projects get released! Update : Final Teaser Uploaded czcams.com/video/_Ty3AmWdmZo/video.htmlsi=5nvCBRS_H_Pl7gt-
I’m working on my own fangame of a really popular Roblox game. It’s a lot of stress, especially because I’m a student, not yet in college, and I’m always short on time. It’s a lot to live up to
I've been working on a project for over 10+ years, i only get to work on it when i have any free time i can deticate to it. currently is a unpublished novel. but i'm hoping to get it made as a animated film as a little legacy to leave behind once i'm 6ft in the ground. i'm a fan of horror comedy and i don't see enough of it in the main stream. so that is why i created Bernie Miller: Phantom Punisher. a love letter to my favorite 1980s horror comedy 'ghostbusters' that is also has very loose elements based on my actural life.
I am planning on working on an indie animated pilot. The script is done and i have a few animators from Twitter who i ask, but i don't have the money and plan on doing a Kickstart to fude the pilot but my goal with the pilot is to pitch it and get it pickdd up by network or studio as the story i image is not what meets indie aniamtion is and my dream of seeing my show on tv or streaming.
The reality is we're in an Indie era with all forms of media. In the 2010s the shift was indie games becoming big, and indie music, now in the 2020s the shift seems to be indie animations becoming big. It makes me wonder what will be the next thing will be.
Now hearing what other inde developers have to say now I feel more motivated to work on my own inde animated series beast wars Forged In Steel and can’t wait to work on a trailer this year
super cool video! i’m currently a first year animation student who’s trying to keep an eye on the indie animation scene! my dream is to be able to turn the comic i’m working on into animation series, and chances are if i ever get the resources i want it to remain an indie project due to how i don’t trust larger studios with an extremely queer story :,D i’m both excited and nervous for the growth of the indie animation scene, and i’m really hoping things continue to turn out positively overall but anyways yeah! like i mentioned before i’m working on a comic that i’d like to turn into an animated series someday! it’s a reboot of a comic i attempted to make while i’m in high school, and i’m hoping to be able to share it with the world sometime next year!
This was a very interesting video! As someone with their own animated pilot, I can relate to a lot of what has been said. I worked on my pilot alone with a low budget and I've seen some people compare me to the big shows (TADC etc). Obviously my work can not be that high quality. Luckily, most people are very understanding and encouraging. I enjoyed making my pilot so much and I think if you have a fun idea and are enjoying it too, that's all that matters!
Ooo another indie project for me to obsess over!
Ah thanks so much for the support and pinned comment btw! ☺️
Really, I had the opposite. The dude kept comparing me to industry level. Seriously, I simplify my art style for time reasons.
Good luck 👍
Oh hi xd
Earth guy rocks!
About people comparing, ehh people gonna do it, they like to compare company stuff with company stuff too. Most people don't consider behind the scenes, now if they were put in your shoes trust me they would sound different 🤣
It's somewhat refreshing to see an indie production, where the creator is working on it because they are passionate about their cool idea, as opposed to one produced by a megacorporation because they want the money. It's awesome to think that the indies might get more of the spotlight in the future.
Which I'm glad we're not getting Meg anytime soon.
Disney:
Basically Gooseworx vs Vivziepop
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Spindlehorse is indie.
@@inkersbrew6370 But Hazbin got picked up by a big studio instead of staying indie. So basically Gooseworx is passionate, while Vivzie wants the money
I'm an aspiring TV Show Writer in college, and I really appreciate this message. Don't expect newcomers or independent productions to be perfect. There are so many amazing labors of love that are just effected by important factors, like budget or scheduling. And the people who create them are not perfect either, because we're human beings who can't make everything perfect, even as labors of love.
The explosion of the indie scene made me have a passion for animation. It's also just overall refreshing that indie animation stuff has a wide audience.
Honestly, we are in an great era for indie animation! Great video as always and im working on my own animated series myself!
What's your series about? Have you produced and episode or any kind of video about it yet? I love checking out indie animated series! :O
@@CrazyGreenFluff Hi! I don't have any official episodes out yet but I have made an announcement video and lot of short animations about it! It's called Pip and Friends. The premise of the show is about Pip, Bèbè, Latte and Ham goes on adventure from doing basic life things. It's a slice of life/ comedy show with hints of fantasy( From the crazy things they get into lol). Think like the looney toons show basically. Thank you so much for asking me about my project :D and I hope my explanation helps :)
@@PrettyYukiTheArtist that sounds like fun! i will check your animations out, and i will subscribe and await any further announcement or progress! thank you for telling me about your project ^^
@@CrazyGreenFluff Thank you so much!! I will give been giving out updates so stay tuned!!
These people basically made the next Toy Story, I don't know how they are gonna top themselves😳
If Toy Story managed to top itself with Toy Story 2, they can do it. Just as long as their audience doesn't raise unreasonable expectations.
If anything, the success of indie animation on CZcams, can show that for as much as we consume media from companies, subconiously or not, we can also go about extending that appreciation to indie animators, as they’re passionate for the medium just like general fans and viewers are.
Reminds me of when indie games were starting to emerge and shook up the stale video game industry for the better. I rarely look towards AAA games anymore, 90%+ of my games are indies.
I hope a similar boom can help the animation scene as well.
I’m hoping that indie animations continue to grow in the next few years! I been following a couple of the indie animation mention in the video and I’m glad to hear that they know how important it is for artist to be artist! Can’t wait to see how everything goes in the future!
My two favorite indie animated series are Fairy Foxes by StickFreeks, and TOME by Chris Niosi! Fairy Foxes is about six magical foxes who live in the clouds and must use the mysterious Akira Amulet to win a war against evil hawks who want to destroy humanity! TOME: Terrain Of Magical Expertise is about a group of friends in a realistic VR game, investigating the recent uprise in hackers and uncovering the mystery of a strange power that infected the main character out of nowhere!
I recommend checking both out! Fairy Foxes has a small community and has been going on since 2008, and we're currently awaiting episode 15! TOME began in 2014 and ended in 2015 [this may be inaccurate] and had an RPG game produced in 2020!! The creator, Chris Niosi, is also a voice actor that works in anime dubbing! He voiced Reigen Arataka in the English version of Mob Psycho 100!! :D
I also have my own indie animated series that I'm working on; it has three episodes out already and the fourth one is in production! Awesome video as always, Fionapollo!
Wow, another person who likes TOME. It's especially really cool to see how Kirbopher has changed in terms of his animation work from 2011(when TOME started) to 2015(when the TOME series ended). It's also really cool to see how TOME compares to TvTome Adventures, which is the older sprite-based Flash animated series it is a remake of.
I am so grateful to help you out with this.
Thank you so much again for doing so!
Finally the video is out! I'm so excited! Indie animation is legit my favorite thing to talk about. The fact that TADC has THAT many views (which is deserved) makes me smile so bad but, I'm not blind enough to see how worried it can be if the series pilot is just a one off thing and people forget about the hardwork involved.
As for other pilots I highly recommend people look into the pilots that GLITCH prompted in their streams as they seem like our new upcoming pilots I believe should have a spot beside Helluva Boss, Murder Drones, and Lackadaisy. I'm also someone who's into promoting smaller less known pilots and while I don't know any now this video is a good motivation for mento start now. Very good video
Don't forget Ramshackle!!! It's being produced by ZeddyZi and her team. It's awesome and was featured in the stream!!!
@@inkersbrew6370 Thank you for reminding me! I'm definitely hyped about that one with that UNIQUE art style
@@TDisHere Ikr??? Also it's going to come out by February (I think?) according to the kickstarter, though I wouldn't be shocked if it came out later.
Glad I could help! -Milo
Just like Indie gaming, Indie animation is also fascinating and impressive, especially uploading on CZcams, is fantastic. As much if your not a scumback and not treat your employees like crap, whatever something new is coming up, always support them, donate them and wish them the best for their works to come true!
I found indie animation to be very interesting because you never know what could come out of there (my boyfriend with Lackadaisy and myself with Helluva Boss/Hazbin Hotel/The Amazing Digital Circus). I, myself, have been working on a webcomic since the pandemic hit and I'm halfway done with sketching the first chapter. I'm very curious with where indie animation is gonna go
@MrRainbow228 My comic is about 4 supernatural beings who use their powers to get rent paid on time with help from their landlord and a fashion magazine VP. So it's a supernatural slice of life comic
Thank you again for reaching out to interview me! I was honored to be a small part of the interview and was glad to share my input. :)
Thank you too for agreeing to be a part of it, I really look forward to seeing Lumi and the gang come alive!! 🌟
Just wanted to pop in before finishing the intro to say something real quick:
My dream currently is to have my own indie cartoon series (at least a test pilot or pitch reel or something) that is publish-ready so I can get the ball rolling for me personally (it’s hard for me to start something (mostly due to too many ideas) but I find my groove pretty quick once I finally begin!)
However, I’m also kinda nervous about just how much attention my projects may get. It’s both great, but it can backfire very quickly! I don’t want to have a fandom or fanbase that gets too big and too toxic for me to handle! And I know I can only do so much, and I have to pick my battles! But I’m just both excited and nervous about the whole thing, especially since the internet would technically be my boss in this case…
I want more people to appreciate the concept of watching fewer episodes in a single sitting.
It's great to spend time pondering each episode and letting everything sink in rather than get your answers straight away that you forget the smaller details like foreshadowing or themes just by binging.
Disney Plus shows may be all over the place, but they're doing the right thing in releasing one episode a week, letting each episode sink in.
SCPeeps is a rather new scp indie animation focuse on an abandoned and wierd site following the scientists and other staff going about their daily life. The pilot aired 3 months ago, I hope that they make more soon I honestly live it.
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To answer this question, I myself have been planning on creating a bit of a passion project, a comic series called "The Extraordinary Spider-Man"
I've been tossing around ideas and concepts for 6 years and I'm not entirely sure if it'll be any good. I guess what I want to do is try telling a different kind of Spider-Man story which at this point seems like a bit of an eye roll but I guess we'll see
I just got to finish this video and gosh dangit I wish everyone working in or are just fans of indie animation should watch this video, CZcams is such a new thing let alone indie animation so it has such of variety work-wise. When I was making Howling Hoods, it was originally just meant to be a rough webcomic while I worked on something else however after some personal issues I ended up kind of jumping the gun and turning the comic into a pilot, and honestly, I wish I had the knowledge I had now when it comes to animation mainly because it's such a different medium, I have a more professional production now and I am improving with each update but I wish people knew it's a big thing to work on.
Anyway great video
I can imagine how much this topic speaks to you. Your indie project Mint & Friends is quite promising and this whole trend feels like reassuring that also your time has come. Of course, it's still not easy to put forward this kind of project, and you know best how much passion, time and effort it still takes. But at least these good news bring the necessary impulse to carry on in hopes that even your project might someday work out.
As for myself, I'll stay around and patiently wait for new sketches and hopefully the first full episodes of Mint & Friends to come out!
I got so excited multiple times because I recognized a ton of the creators and shows you mentioned and I'm so happy that they're getting more attention!
Well, I'm currently getting a passion project off the ground myself! And animated fantasy series...I'm still working on the characters, but I have a pilot and five episodes scripted so far... ^_^
Awesome Goodluck
@@trixtheghostwalker6634 thanx! This is two years in the making...lol
I'll def watch it when it comes out :)
I am currently writing a series myself, im a huge fan of animation and anime. I have basically stepped away from the mainstream studios and have hope for more independent companies. This series is my pasion project, and i feel hopeful that this series is going to be big.
I think indie animation is great. I haven't seen many beyond Hellava Boss, TADC, Lackadaisy and Murder Drones but i really do enjoy both the different styles of animation and the humour & plots
In the case of Hellava and Murder, its also interesting seeing where the studios have taken the show after the pilot,seeing how deep each show gets with the story and characters. Watching the pilots, I never got the impression that it would go that way
Also, Deepcut has started an indie show too. Garnet Heart, I believe
I'm leaning towards not being threatened by something that has more heart and soul and has brought more uproarious joy than any Disney remake ever could. The world needs more talented small-scale projects headed by passionate, unfettered creatives.
What worried me is that people don't have an appreciation for how much indie animation costs to make, and how a bad studio can easily blame the creators for the studio's shortcomings.
See Crunchyroll and High Guardian Spice as a Prime example.
hgs was aways going to be doomed no matter what
the writing world building and characters were just awful
Nothing was going to fix that dumpster fire
@@sethisevilone02Thank you for proving my point. Reactionaries hated it from Day 1, judging it for being "woke" as some all-defeating quality.
Do you have any idea what limited budgets and executive meddling do to a story? It means you have to rush it, as opposed to the slow burn shonen-style storytelling Rae wanted.
And even then, we got exceptional depth + character development with a world to support it.
@TheNightmareRider they didn't even tell you what being a guardian was
Cmon don't die on this hill
I've seen shows had this same issue but still told better stories
Mr enter reviewed every episode and explain my issues perfectly
@@sethisevilone02 "They didn't tell you what a Guardian is"
They literally did! Just because it isn't explicitly spelled out doesn't mean it wasn't explained. A Guardian is a fairly generic term like "Hero". It means different things to different students, but are all tied to the same goal of protecting the world.
I've addressed all these bad-faith critiques before.
@TheNightmareRider ONE OF THE CHARACTERS ASKED WHAT A BEING A GARDIAN WAS IN THE SHOW AND DIDNT GET A ANSWER FYM
Wonderful video and quite insightful too.
Personally, im hopefully that indie animation can be a new Avenue for people who didn't have a choice before.
That being said, i do have my concerns. Talking into account on whats going on the tadc and past with RWBY. I hope people (the veiwers) realize their mistakes and give the artist some breathing room.
For any artist, i recommend look at the history of rwby and see how community got with it is today.
Each artist have their own style, level of funding, team size and dedication that lumping everyone into the same boat is just not fair. Eveyone have their stories to share, so let them show it you how they wanted.
For all the indie artists and those who worry that the bar is set too high. Don't worry, the bar will be different for everyone, how do i know this? Because CZcams have seen this happen before, a subsection of indie animation that most people tend to overlooked, Minecraft. Aphmau through the years set the bar for her stories being told in that media butit wasnt push as harsh onto other creators and artists like xylophoney and rainimator.
Just go out there and let world see your art.
It's nice seeing indie animation get more recognition, especially as someone working towards making pilot (not any time soon cause there's a lot I need to work on, but I'm doing a lot of prep with scriptwriting and character designs for a comic, then once it's up and running I plan to animate a short anime-opening styled video as an animation test and to promote the comic and then hope grow enough support from the comic to be able to pay a few friends to help me animate a pilot). But it is scary seeing how high the standard is becoming for the viewers. I really hope more indie protects continue to kick off and showcase their cool original stories and that fandoms and communities change for the better (as in the toxic patterns that reoccur in each project that gains large recognition).
I’ve seen many indie projects. This from slideshow story time, animatics, and animation. All of which has displayed a cornucopia of creativity and thoughtful application of the talents they have. It’s always wonderful to see peoples creativity on full display, regardless of the scale they are able to employ. It can be difficult to keep my own expectations in check but knowing that is half the battle. What I care most about as far as expectations go, is that people don’t burn themselves out. Any project I find any amount of joy or even just catches my interest leaves me immediately grateful for the work they did to make it happen. To the specific extent that I’d hate to see them overwork themselves in a fervor to meet expectations they aren’t obligated to reach in the first place. A lot of this attitude comes from a general care for my fellow inhabitants of the coil, however I wouldn’t be totally honest if I didn’t mention the greedy streak that also wants them to take breaks. I’ve found in the years I’ve lived that as kind as a person is we all have bad days. In our worst we can let our kind hearts slip, however greed is a bit more persistent. Using logic to make your greed want the same thing as your kind heart goes a long way to keep a lot of expectations in check. It’s not always the valiant honorable figure I want to be but it’s usually pushing me to be good if not always for good reasons. All this to say, if you like something someone made you can at least try to be kind to them. If for no other reason than to keep their morale up. It’s fine just never resort to cruelty. It’s easy to cast judgment in the world but quite difficult to create. The least we can all do is try to be understanding. That all on display, I wish you all a pleasant day.
Sincerely
-The Void
I've been working on an indie video game project for well over half a decade and have only really started promoting it on Twitter. It's called Battle of Transgressions, a platformer about a young goddess with her siblings on a quest across the world to head back to their parents residing back in Heaven against an outerversal presence that wants the child in order to bring about the Game Over.
My partner and I are making a fantasy comedy series here on CZcams! We're just two people but we're massively passionate and have decided to take a real stab at it since we got laid off back in October. We're able to get out a 1-3 minute episode per week, which is faster than we've ever done, but we still catch ourselves wondering: is it enough for growing an audience on CZcams? CZcams tends to favor creators who post more frequently and longer videos. Luckily, we had a few meme shorts go viral earlier this year, so we know what CZcams is capable of and we're determined to use that experience/knowledge to help our original series succeed. It's also exciting to see indie animation blowing up here on the platform, and it definitely gives us even more hope and validation that we're on the right path. I would love to see more indie animation of all budgets succeed!! Maybe it's just me, but I think there's something special about imperfect animation and/or animations made from smaller teams or even just one individual.
Love this! Really interesting stuff! ❤
Great video as always. I love how this topic is done with other Indie Animation creators talking about it. My friend and I are working on our own indie animated series as well that I joined in on because this was my friend's show idea that I REALLY WANT TO BE A PART OF!!! Plus, we both have so many ideas of what to do. We just need to find a way to structure it right. Of course, budget, crew and cast are the main obstacles to hurdle, but we always have a passion for this and to make a good first impression on the pilot and that's what matters most to us as a creative duo.
Thank you for all the shout-outs for indie animators! It's really good to see someone giving attention to the artists who need it the most!
I'm working on an indie animation pilot right now, but I don't want to say too much about it because I feel like I'll lose motivation to finish it once I get the satisfaction of showing it off!
This has been an insightful video about the current indie animation landscape.
I'm not full within the main parts of the indie animated scene, likely due to the fact that a lot of my own works (as well as works from those in the animation community I reside in) are mainly made as a hobby. ^^; I do wish those that are doing indie animation as more than just a hobby well!! ^-^
I'm working on a comic thing mostly for practice purposes, I don't know how I feel about having such a "student" quality piece of art out there but hey, I've been told to just do the thing and I've seen some webcomics that are... interesting... to put it nicely so I think my mostly proper grammar and little experience with writing can shine in place of my sketchy art with no color, drawing a few panels a day is very tiring specially when I'm not sure how a scene will look and I have to sort of go with the flow, I'm using the illusion of perspective without doing any measuring and most of these scenes are inconsistent since getting the feel for a 3 dimensional area without actually having it in front of me is kind of hard so I've given up on that and just want to have a background as opposed to empty space, I do use very big panels mainly because I've had problems with reading the text in the webtoon format and I want to try and fit as much text and make it as big as possible
the thing I'm doing is called Dragonblood, still don't know how long I want the chapters to be but I do have some idea on the process, I can't imagine doing all those panels in a few days to appease the algorithm so I expect the thing to be buried on arrival which is good for me because this is all an excuse to practice and learn.
Thank you for making this video!! We've been doing commercial work for years and are trying to make the leap into indie work, this was mad informative!
Absolutely amazing video!!! You drew everyone so wonderfully!!! I LOVE The Amazing Digital Circus, and I hope indie animation keeps thriving and growing more and more!!! I'm so so excited for Lumi and the Great Big Galaxy, as well as Defenders of Alodia!!
I also hope to join the indie scene one day with my own passion projects once I'm ready!!
i'm excited to see how wide the display inspirations and productions we'll get to see in the future. as someone who aspires to run my own production i am eager to step into this community myself.
the success of a lot of indi projects have been very exciting to see. Its been giving me the motivations to move forward with my own project that ive been sitting on for well over a decade. Been posting little skits of story boarding attempts on tiktok and been getting a little bit of attention, with is so motivating. Im thinking of posting them on youtube as shorts but, im trying not to burst this bobble of motivation. very good video, and a good prospective of how other indi developers think and feel about the industry as a whole.
It’s insane just how many animated projects have been coming these past few years, I’m having trouble catching up with seeing all of them 😅
There are Hundreds of years worth of work ready to be watched for free online, and I’m happy to add my years to it
Go Indie!
I am sooooo hopeful for the future here! I, like many others have my own project in the works, and I can't wait to see all the awesome stuff that's bound to come!
I enjoyed Digital Circus too.
Sorry I’m late, but I’m always very impressed and thankful to see how much research you do for your videos! You do so much to get clear views and opinions on a topic (and having multiple perspectives to keep thing forums becoming an echo chamber), or get proper information to make sure the facts are straight. Thank you so so much for putting in so much effort into your research, and to your videos in general!
That video was encouraging and insightful. I’ve been learning a lot about the animation industry’s problems lately and how indie animation is on the rise. It’s inspired me a lot in making my own indie cartoon. The pilot’s out now and since then, we’ve been working to make the show better.
Found this to be some great commentary. I don't think it really matters about how much backing some of these indie projects have, there have been some really good projects (The Big Lez Show) that imo easily best these really beautifully animated projects that have indie studios, and hundreds of people working on it-- just because the writing is so good, and you can see the love from people like Jared.
The support for indie animation has been so inspiring and exciting! I’m currently working on my own indie project called “Star Map” that’s been in the works for a few years 💫
this video's great!! as someone who's working on my own indie animated project, hearing everyone's input and love for animation is so infectious and makes me want to create and tell stories 💪 executive dysfunction be damned!
(making this comment while listening to this video) i love glitch when MD (murder drones) and Digital Circus (including metta runner and sunset paradise) the thing that i'm scared and worried about the TADC is the dramas that have been happening, the Micheal kovach controversy, the Sean chiplock drama and the gooseworx drama, for the sean chiplock drama (the Va of kinger) i gotten mad because people have been digging up his past from 2010 which is f-ed up cause it was in the past and i'm scared and worried for sean, the drama with goose is really darn dumby dumb cause again her old art isn't really a harmful thing to me cause i have seen more f-ed up things so it does really piss me off, Micheal kovach's controversy drama (i do still love Micheal no matter what) but the thing is when i didn't realize a person euthanized micheals voice and the VA of Caine (with two ai's that sound like both of them which is really not right cause that IS called using someone's voice technically, i think if i'm not wrong) and those drama's.....are making me really nervous and sad how people dig things up to ruin someones life, me referring to Sean when he gotten harassed by a i think it was 16 year girl and sent his fans after them (i think it was still the 16 year old's slight fault for making him do that, his old tweets as well is just a angst thing, unless i'm being dumb here :p) them getting harassed is really NOT good (especially the getting doxxed part) i do think people need to understand to not make drama happen cause it'll only make things worse and i really want those drama's to stop, keep TADC to a calm manner and not make the fandom to be more toxic to the point i do not want to hear anymore problematic, chaotic and toxicity of how fandoms can be
I’m new to this channel and this video talking about Indie animation as a whole… I can honestly understand some of the pros and cons listed but as someone who has been inspired by an indie series to take on animation, I just hope to make it far enough in the future once I get better at it. Indie animation has been a big inspiration the past year and a half for me and I’m happy to see indie animation get recognized as the future of animation basically and I have big hopes for all of these projects to be successful.
aspiring animator here! ive loved animation since i was young, and ive always had an obsession with creating characters and worlds, and im now starting work on my own animated project! great vid :)
HOLY CRAP HULLABALOO MENTION?!? I literally got so hype when you mentioned it, I’ve loved that show for so long!!
I found GLITCH when Meta Runner came out and it was one of my favorite series when i was younger , tbh changed my life lol, i first saw it with my bestfriend
i always forget that ur channel is not that big because they're so well made 😭
This was a really good video, and I have similar thoughts. It's exciting to see what independent creators are coming up with, and it has inspired me to make my own series as well. These are exciting times for the world of animation.
As someone working on their own animated series and this pretty interesting! It's also so refreshing to finally see so much originality from small creators, (I haven't heard of so many of these creators!) Showing once more to big entertainment companies that people DO want original works and if studios aren't willing to take the risks than we will. Great video! 💛
Good on ya!
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Very on point commentary on the matter, I agree with everything, especially the unsustainable high standards that take form in this cases.... Plus I didn't know anything about these project and resources you shared, I'm going immediately to check them out!!
Great video! I just seen a smaller upcoming indie series called Swift Spark and the Defense Five (the main character is actually voiced by Vincent Martella voice of Phineas from Phineas and Ferb) getting some unfortunate comments like it isn’t as professional looking like stuff like Lackadaisy, etc.
Mind you there’s only one person working on it and it looks amazing, show it some love if you can! It worries me that people will keep being ignorant and mean towards smaller creators 🙃 I’m actually a voice actor who have been very much in love with indie animation for a while now and I’m actually apart of Defenders of Alodia VA cast so thank you for showing some to so many cool series! All these indie series and projects NEED to be given chances no matter how “small”!
I am currently working on several indie projects ( I’m an artist, animator, vocalist , voice actor and actor ) as well as some individual fan projects and my own stuff and going to public events and irl stuff all at the same time, I’m glad for everything I’m doing because I like it and I’m doing it with passion but it can be overwhelming, I had so many stuff to do with a deadline and to wake up so early I forgot to eat for a few days and feel ill, I’m healing and I finally got the guts to ask for help and glad I did
After seeing how big indie animation is becoming, I’m really eager to start my own animated story. For as long as I can remember, I’ve been wanting to tell the story of my OC Falcon. As of now, I’m working on a few animations of my character and his skills as a warrior
Back during the start of metarunner I didn’t think indie animation could get better anytime soon. And then it just kept getting better and better
I'm a bit scared in regards to indie animation, because my dream is to technically have an animated project myself.
I say technically because I don't have a team at all, and fully animating what I envision by myself is impossible for a person like me.
As a compromize I want to do something in a sort of picture book style with an animated sequence either once per episode or once per chapter.
What I am most scared of is the reception of my project.
My story at first largely involves meeting and getting to know more people, and getting them to join a group of knights.
I don't want to show the main cast all at once because of that.
I find it fun to speculate what kind of person someone might be.
So a pilot where everyone is interacting isn't really something I would go for.
My current plan is that I have 5 chapters, each introducing one or two characters of the main cast, all devided into pretty short episodes.
I really hope I can release episodes with larger, but consistant gaps, since I really like having a bit of time between episodes since it gives you something to look forward to, but also to take in what you just watched, and knowing when it will continue.
Since the chapters are pretty closed at the end, I also have more time inbetween the chapters to prepare for the next one.
I am pretty scared that because of the style, or the release scedule,
my work will let down, in my current case, a too high standard to reach, and that everyone will be unrationally angry at it.
I'm also scared that people could get weirdly angry or hate everything in my series because I have some queer themes in it. And often, when your writing is just pretty mid, people are a lot harsher.
Personally I hope my work gets a small but kind following that really enjoys it, but I really just hope I can get at least the first chapter out without much trouble.
Indie animation is not a competition. We can congratulate TADC without putting down the other successful indie shows, especially when they helped to shape the indie landscape that lets TADC thrive.
This video and what the studio flimpo said in the end really motivates me to keep working on my indie series !! Especially since i have most of the season one planned the only thing i gotta do is keep posting about it and hopefully i can release an animated pilot in a few years :')
But the webcomic pilot is on the way !!
Thank you sm for this video and this lil "indie artist support" ❤❤❤
i fucking love your art. keep up the good work
Love your videos so much .I'm currently working on a passion project to bring to light narcissistic abuse and the trauma that a victim might run into, I'm bad at wording stuff.
fascinating, as usual.
Thanks for this video, I have new stuff to check out!
As for my own ideas…
I have had an idea for a long long time for an animated series that uses 2D characters (frame by frame/rigged hybrid models) against a pseudo-simplified 3D animated environment, that resembles early CGI in stuff like early PIXAR shorts and those CGI segments/elements in the PBS Kids show, Between the Lions!
The story is kind of a Dr. Jackle, Mr. Hyde kind of story, but with the zany-ness of Beetlejuice and the Mask, all wrapped up in a certain aesthetic that indie horror fans know all too well… and as of typing this, I have the overall series generally mapped out in my head, and I have drawn the main cast so many times I can draw them from the most insane camera angles! I just need to get the first script drafted!
Also, My current plan as of typing this (things can always change) does involve moments that most likely will require you to grab a lot of tissues…and I mean…A LOT!
I’M TAKING NOTES FROM PIXAR’S CRY FACTORY FOR THIS ONE! (As of typing this at least! Again, things could change! Don’t hoard all the Kleenex just yet!😅)
One last thing: I love meta humor and fourth wall breaks, so I will use them in this, BUT…I’m not gonna go overboard! Don’t worry!👍
Yeah, Indie coming up in the world is amazing, all we can do is hope and remind people that theres a difference between a corporate funded animation studio and folks coming together to do it on their own. And even then, remember that amoung the indies theres a difference between hobbiests, indie with a full team and indie studios with like 4 to 9 friends.
I’m very happy indie animation is getting more attention. But at the same time it has me feeling weird.
It just feels like people are turning away from anything from mainstream animation completely. I’m not trying to bat for the big studios, but there are plenty of shows from big studios, past and present, that I really like: such as The Ghost and Molly McGee, Amphibia, Transformers Prime, Danny Phantom, Ed, Edd n Eddy. I could go on.
And while there are plenty of mainstream shows that I don’t like, I still want to look at what they might make next, in addition to watching some great indie works. But it feels weird with all of this “abandon mainstream” sentiment going around.
Yey its because dumb people on the internet do not want to just let cartoon and indie cartoons co exist and heck mabey I'm the only one that has a feeling that indie do have its downsize and some few cracks have there own flaws that can be improved but nope internet people spend most of the time putting indie on this petalstol that I don't they can even reach if this keeps going on like in a few years everything on the indie will fall apart if they keep increasing the expectations and once everything breaks than they will have no one ealse to blame but themselves on the internet and mabey the internet probly will not listin and heck the example already is happing with hellva boss a show that had great potential but in s2 everything was messd up and now the internet hates Viv and even with hazbin relise people on the internet doesn't know to actually give good feedback and and will stop bashing and even if it was also part Viv fault for being a pussy on vaild critism and her reputation has already been in the trash and if stuff like this keeps happening to different indie projects than in a few years they will start to question aboyt indie as a whole in animation and heck even indie vidoe games had a zero problem with it despite people even in the comments nagging about aaa gaming nonsense and even hasn' good ones like spiderman and even nintendo games for that matter atleast it's more more stable compared to what's happing with indie cartoon right now and right now it seems good that indie doing good but what will happend if the internet keeps up with the expectations and not meeting those expectations start to bash and attack people on Twitter tiktok and other platforms
And we'll once the bubble pops than people will start to get more and more scared of creating there own indie cartoons and well have less and less and less indie cartoons thanks to people on the internet being the worst that's my own worst case scenario in a few years and where already on this road with doxxing popular equal bad bull crap and also the Viv drama nonsense so more and more would just decide that making an indie cartoon on CZcams is bad because of the people on it
And yey its great that indie is getting more attention but will this really last in long trem if the internet doesn't leran to just change for the better and stop with the toxicity perfection was the entire smg4 its gotta be perfect actually predict the future of indie animation people wanting every single indie product to be a gravity falls and wanting it to be perfect with no flaws and even creators hurting themselves the way smg4 did to just make a perfect vidoe as a representation of indie creators having to deal on the internet on a bassist when doing a series and has internet people leran nothing and still blindly ignore the good shows from mainstream and they treat mainstream like its there firend even if its really dumb to think that
Saw the thumbnail and all I can say is this….
I’m up for the challenge.
We're gonna need like a playlist for all the projects coming out, even if it's just a trailer! Like maybe we should like gather to watch a pilot every week haha
That's such a good idea!!!
What is best about this is that these animations are made with passion and creative freedom, which is what allows 8 college students and a tonne of coffee to outdo a studio with millions tow throw around
I've been a big fan of SMG4's content since 2016, while his SMG4 content has not been the greatest over the years (I actually made my own gmod videos because of it), I do like what he's been doing in terms of indie animation
I’m creating a magical girl series that will eventually have it’s own manga called "The Wicked Prophecy". It would be amazing if it can be turned into a full blown anime but I have to wait and see where it goes when my manga releases.
I agree people should watch MY indie animation series, HOWLING HOODS
They SHOULD!!
Wait. You made a cartoon?
And that will be on my list thank you!
Yes called HOWLING HOODS@@kootunesscrewy
@@GreayWorks Coolio.
So I've been working on a pilot episode for a dark fantasy series for a year now. I’m still in school and am only done with a storyboard so don’t expect something soon. No voice actors either, working on it.
10:00 it was always weird to me how hypercentralized control over your life is labeled "late stage capitalism", when I was raised being taught that hypercentralized control by government was a communist thing, and hypercentralized control by government, through private companies was a fascist things.
Yes, that is the thing that made me want to comment lol. Now that i am here though, I agree with the cancel culture opinion.
It has more to do with how society treats people as "commodities" and "products". Much like how social media influencers promote themselves as some "brand" based on a more generic "relatable" slice-of-life fantasy.
Fame also plays a role since many online people with a fanbase end up turning arrogant and trying to craft an unrealistic image of themselves (which becomes an issue when controversies of their bad deeds come into light, be it actual crimes or just petty personal fights they had with an old friend)
As someone going to college for animation, I really hope that I get to work on an indie animated series sometime. If anyone wants to see any of my animations, they're on my YT channel.
As a sole animator indie creator, it brings me joy to see how much progress has come since 2018 with works such as Cliffside! Now in 2023, there's so much more awareness and love for indie, and as someone whose enjoyed MAKING animation since I was a child, it's just amazing! Currently I'm making my own 2d animated shorts as a part of a wider series/story world known as 🌊 Dew Surfers 🏝 about cats on a tropical island and their lives! No pilot is planned for now but maybe someday a full arc could come out of all the stories I have to tell!
To #indieanimation forever!!
I feel like another issue is audiences feeling entitled to a certain show going the way THEY want it to go and not respecting the creators choices. One series I watched the creator got death threats and had to delete their twitter account because people harassed him because the series ended on a cliffhanger and in a way they didn't want. While I think it was a dissapointing ending, I know that harassing someone over such a thing is way too far.
I myself am working on a short that will be the pilot of a series, although right now I am in a very early stage of writing and creating a separate channel for the project, sometimes I get discouraged by my lack of ability to explain The series is going, but I try to encourage myself to be able to better express the chaos that goes through my head and well, trying to do all this in a third world country that does not usually pressure animation and art in general, it doesn't help but see how you do. They manage to continue even being in a worse situation than me and completely alone, it motivates me to continue with everything without fear,
And well, the fact that the general public sees indie productions in the same way as those from large companies can be a double-edged sword, since on the one hand they already see it as an equal but they may have very high expectations about what to see. in them,
Personally, the real problems (in addition to money and high expectations) is this toxicity that exists in the haters of certain projects, this has already been seen especially in indie video games and it also goes hand in hand with this "moral puritanism" "The truth is that this is the real problem because let's be honest, if they were screwing you 24/7 you would have already abandoned and canceled everything, while you are reading this I'm sure that about five cases of this have already come to mind." what am I talking about, There are also other things, but I would be more related to the people who work behind these projects who perhaps should deal with the issues more maturely instead of fighting among themselves because three years ago they fought on a dircord server, Fortunately this doesn't happen that often, but they will still have to be more professional and adults to talk about this instead of hinting at each other.
well even with all their failures in this young comunnity i am have hope for the future
Oh I have been waiting for this moment ever since Fanime (fan anime or fake anime) was discovered in 2012. Everyone’s got a story to tell and I’m all for it!
while they can be long, your videos are great. and the being long isnt an issue. it just means you have alot to say. and i like what you have to say. i just need to spend time listening to what you have to say. and thanks for standing up for artists. i hate how much corporate profit is killing so many things right now.
You should make a video about "Our Spellbinding Lies" it's a new indie series here on CZcams, made with a team of less than 10 people so its quality compared to the team number is extremely good. They released the pilot episode just yesterday!
I am unsure if Part 2's title is an eggcorn for "The Grapevine" phrase....
But anyway, it's great to get to see indie animations' skills, talent, and creativity! The Big Studios really need more competition to kick them in the butt and start allowing their people to break out of the little boxes they've been shoved in.
Lol it probably is meant to be grapevine, i make up the section titles in like 10 seconds as i go along
But yes!!! It's such an exciting time atm!
As of this message, The Amazing Digital Circus has 176M views!
I've been watching indie animations on CZcams for about 10 years now, there's been many really great productions, it's just now eyes are finally opening up on them!
Been working on a passion project called "Elemental Stars" for the last five years and by early 2024 i hope to finally share it with the world here on YT. With this new outlook of indie animation i can't wait to see other projects get released!
Update : Final Teaser Uploaded czcams.com/video/_Ty3AmWdmZo/video.htmlsi=5nvCBRS_H_Pl7gt-
This is very interesting.
I’m working on my own fangame of a really popular Roblox game. It’s a lot of stress, especially because I’m a student, not yet in college, and I’m always short on time. It’s a lot to live up to
I've been working on a project for over 10+ years, i only get to work on it when i have any free time i can deticate to it. currently is a unpublished novel. but i'm hoping to get it made as a animated film as a little legacy to leave behind once i'm 6ft in the ground. i'm a fan of horror comedy and i don't see enough of it in the main stream. so that is why i created Bernie Miller: Phantom Punisher. a love letter to my favorite 1980s horror comedy 'ghostbusters' that is also has very loose elements based on my actural life.
I am planning on working on an indie animated pilot. The script is done and i have a few animators from Twitter who i ask, but i don't have the money and plan on doing a Kickstart to fude the pilot but my goal with the pilot is to pitch it and get it pickdd up by network or studio as the story i image is not what meets indie aniamtion is and my dream of seeing my show on tv or streaming.
The reality is we're in an Indie era with all forms of media. In the 2010s the shift was indie games becoming big, and indie music, now in the 2020s the shift seems to be indie animations becoming big. It makes me wonder what will be the next thing will be.
Now hearing what other inde developers have to say now I feel more motivated to work on my own inde animated series beast wars Forged In Steel and can’t wait to work on a trailer this year
super cool video! i’m currently a first year animation student who’s trying to keep an eye on the indie animation scene! my dream is to be able to turn the comic i’m working on into animation series, and chances are if i ever get the resources i want it to remain an indie project due to how i don’t trust larger studios with an extremely queer story :,D i’m both excited and nervous for the growth of the indie animation scene, and i’m really hoping things continue to turn out positively overall
but anyways yeah! like i mentioned before i’m working on a comic that i’d like to turn into an animated series someday! it’s a reboot of a comic i attempted to make while i’m in high school, and i’m hoping to be able to share it with the world sometime next year!
8:26 It’s exactly as it sounds. Have a character get literally drilled into with a power drill.
cool vid thx