Cub Cadet HDS 3186? - Will it Mow?
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2019
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Part 1 here - • Cub Cadet HDS 3185 - W...
In the first video we made it run, but will it mow? We need some parts before we can find out. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
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that description of the car parts industry sounds exactly like the firearms and firearms accessory industry. Have seen hundreds percent markup. Also, just looked up OEM honda carburetor: $70. The chinese clone: $20.
I know I just can’t function at my work bench without a jar of momma’s homemade jelly there to inspire me. I see Wes that you are the same.
Do you know how many hours were on the machine when you bought it? There is a 3185 for sale in my area with almost 1000 hrs on it. They are asking $1200. Seems a little too much considering the hours on it.
I started working on small engines when I was 12 years old and still do. I’m a journeyman electrician also, 22 years in the electrical trade.
I can tell you one thing, your one sharp dude! Keep it up!
We've become obsessed with credentials. This is largely because we have outlawed eye cue testing (I know it's misspelled. CZcams autodeletes my comment if it includes the right spelling).
A lot of people are shocked to find out. No other psychological test in our history has the explanatory and predictive power of the eye cue test. That is why they banned it. While not technically illegal in a de jure sense, it's de facto illegal because we very stupidly believe all people and groups are equal and so if you use an eye cue test, it leaves you susceptible to lawsuits. California have actually outlawed testing certain children in school.
But it's very real. That's what you're seeing in this video. An above average eye cue.
ok so you're not a 'mustie1' with all his bone yard stuff, but I like the way you work round your problems. I'm subscribed to both of you and you both are well worth my attention, he likes vw's and scrappers, you like bigger stuff like drag line stuff. keep up the good videos. I hope my subscription helps, you help me with ideas too. thanks.
When I was kid in the 80's we had two 1968 Wheelhorses. Only once do I remember both running at the same time. We were always borrowing parts from one to keep the other running.
Heh. The one I had as a kid came with an aluminum block Briggs and Straton engine. I rebuilt it twice and both times it overheated and scored the cylinder. We had bored it beyond the limits, so I got a free cast iron bore Kohler out of an ancient 3 wheeled golf cart that went through a flood. I got the engine freed up, rebuilt the carb and ignition, put it in the tractor, and it's been running for 20 years. My dad still uses it some.
Before I retired I worked for one of the largest bearing suppliers in the UK, and we were a major supplier of IKO bearings, a quality supplier of rotary and linear bearings. IKO are made by Nippon Thompson, and IKO stands for Innovation, Know-How, and Originality
Hey Wes love your video's. I spent 30 years in marine, industrial, diesel & gas engines and diesel electric sets for sale and rent. Enjoy your repairs and ethics. Keep it going. Congrats on your new spiffy shop. I like it.
I love watching Wes work, good logical thinker, good workshop practise, good footage and editing, well done. Cheers from Australia.
Mustie approves of the parts scrounged from your hoard
Wes, I am in my late 70's and remember. as a kid, when helping my father in the garage, working on cars and him saying something was fubar. At that time I never asked what it meant. It is really funny hearing a young person using it today. Good on ya.
I know all about the Cub Cadet price gouging. I needed a spindle assembly for my Cub Cadet. I called the dealer they wanted $120 for one. I used the PN for the assembly and ordered the exact same part off of Amazon for $26
Yeah that is certainly outrageous
I did the same thing with the ball joints in my backhoe's control linkages. Just got 4 of them off of McMaster for around the same price case wanted for 1. Great vid as always Wes!
Great video Wes and great price on the Cub Cadet! Can't wait to see the new shop!
Super video series, always a pleasure looking over your shoulder. Best of luck with the move and new pad.
like your approach and explanation. Great work on that Cub, you basically have a totally restored one now, except for paint. Happy mowing
I've watched a few videos by now and you seem like you would make an awesome neighbor. Your calm steady attitude is perfect for youtube keep it up!
Heh. I dunno. CZcams wants drama, conspiracy, and burnouts...
Very nice. I have its smaller brother. Got it for a fair price at 300 bucks running and mowing but needs some work like yours. But I figured when I wanna start painting my Kubota G1800 itll be nice to run to keep from having alot of mower down time.
Good advice on your videos too!
One mower brand I've had great luck with is Honda. Have a rear engined snapper style one and a HR215 self propelled. Parts are pretty high but they are definitely awesome. And Cub cadets like these and the older ones are very great and with decent maintenance should last forever.
Great video Wes. I think you are spot on as to price (s) purchase & sale. Just throwing this out there for what it's worth. With the advent of filming your repair's, i.e., that you can show a potential purchasing customer all repair's made to an item, if that wouldn't translate to being able to ask say for an extra 10 or maybe even 15 percent additional. As I'm commenting, you may have already sold this tractor, but just something to consider say on your next project, i.e., document all repair's via video camera of your choice. As you explained for the Tie-Rod ends, I would think the same would apply to the Blade Cutting Housing Assembly's, i.e., Club Cadet doesn't make them, they just purchase the aforesaid item, in bulk. I'm glad you have learned on your own the *Eleventh Commandment.* For those who may not know, just what in the world is the *Eleventh Commandment.* ANSWER: Eleventh Commandment = Thou SHALL NOT PAY RETAIL.
13:00 to 17:20 should be a standalone video. Brilliant insight about parts I had never heard of. Proper title, description, and hashtags would rake in the views and comments.
Thumbs up for the socket press action. lol Then later in the video you have an actual driver set. Now maybe I am the last person on the internet using sockets. Sounds like cub cadet parts are about 30%higher than Deere.
Crazy that parts could be more than Deere. It's not a Cat.
Like hytran fluid LOL! That stuff is over priced. Yes it's good, yes it's way more expensive than it should ben
Nice job ding that up. 👍 My parents had a cub cadet with a plow and mower from the early 70’s when I was a youngster. They took care of it and it lasted until 2004 when the transmission went bad and it cost to much to fix. They sure don’t make them like they use too.
Remember old Roy from the Boyd Coddington show? When I watch you fix this old mower all I can hear in my head is Roy hollering: "Why do we only work on junk!? Why do we even bother with this stuff!"
LOL!
As always, great video!
I remember that guy. He was hilarious! He'd get more done with one had full of Lucky Strikes than any of the other jokers in the shop.
Excellent discussion on parts industry.
Really enjoyed the repairs. I've replaced bearings in idler pulleys before by drilling out the spot welds or rivets that hold the 2 pulley halfs together and reassembling with pan head bolts and lockouts. Seemed to work fine and ez to replace the bearings the next time.
That works! I can't get over how much runout these stamped steel pulleys have.
Excellent work, both content and production. Subbed
Wes I have a 3204 and have done lots of work to it. I absolutely love it and it's a beast of a machine!!!!
Wess you remind me of a friend I had known for 42 years. He was like you he could fix or build anything. He passed a few years ago and I miss him very much. He was the guy that made your computhane hammers. His brother still makes those same hammers 🔨. Different name on them now. Name was John C. Trusty Jr. He was a genius in my point of view ,his brothers are still at it. Thank you
Always nice to go from renting to owning your shop congratulations and got most moved out pretty fast @Watch Wes Work
I like Mustie1 too. He could work on the space shuttle. But you are dang smart too and have an excellent channel that is going to continue to grow not only because of your skills and ability to teach but also because of your personality. Thank you very much for these videos.
You did a great job, my experience has been the transmissions are a major problem,
I ran a case mower for years it was highly complex over built machine for a mower, hydraulic drive,
Now I bought a new 0 turn Bad Boy, I really like it, great mower,
Liked both videos on this lawn tractor bro. Stay safe
Serious old time skills rebuilding the deck. Things my Dad would do, which is who I learned from. You bought it right for sure given what you put in it, parts and time. One like that sold privately here in Mi. for 2k but it was in very good shape.
That's where I learned it too.
Hey Wes luv your vids!Got a little trick for ya!To keep grass from stocking to the inside of deck clean down to bare metal make sure it s really dry ..make solution of used engine oil and a little bit of wax gently warmed slather on and put out in the hot sun to bake .....works great!
Wes same thing in the aerospace industry I worked in my whole life. They actually make a lot of their profit off of special tools and system test equipment. They also make a profit when the aircraft return to the manufacturer for major overhaul and updates. 👍🇺🇸
Good job and best of luck at new shop .
Hi Wes,
I am a new sub to your channel. Love your humor and references to Mustie1. LOL
In the recent past i repaired mowers and small engines for the local community.
Just for the record, I HATE CUB CADET. High prices, complexity, and poor quality. I found that I could get almost anything for CC on Ebay for a lot less, from PTO clutch to belts to bearings, etc.
That goes for all other mower parts.
Went to the manufacturer for part numbers and searched on Ebay for that number.
95% of the time Ebay had the part for cheap and free shipping.
Just catching up on your past videos.
Thanks for sharing and happy you got a place with your own shop.
Seems like the prices for Cub Cadet stuff is about the same as John Deere which definitely is expensive. But it seems to be well built. I did some work in the MTD factory where this tractor was built, so I have a bit of a soft spot for them.
I don't know man. You are just as good as mustie1. Keep up the good work and thanks for the content.
Looks like the front axle center pivot is worn. You have went this far just as well look into it. Enjoy your channel, keep it up!!
Always interesting Wes thanks for sharing 👍🇦🇺
Thanks for stopping by!
Nice fix, I just got my 92 MTD going, have a twin cylinder yard machine with hydrostat to look at!
Good for you $200. Kohler make a great engine, we have several and have been reliable. "No more rent", nice. Take care Wes. Good luck with the move. Looking forward to seeing your new shop.
Hopefully it's coming soon!
man you do great work love to watch you.
Tractor supply has a good price for the belts. Working on junk is good practice as we are all getting cheaper and wanting to get by as cheap as we can. If you are going to toss the old pulleys let me know I have been welding mine for a couple years now and I weld about as good as I can see any more. Be cautious on the blades you buy, I got some that bent when I was mowing tall grass. Also I used a piece of EMT as a sleeve in the front axle where it steers because that wears fast. You did an awesome job a lot more than I would have. The tires stay up if you add the green snot since they run at 20 pounds a tight corner can roll the bead.
I agree entirely. I too am admirer of Mustie except for his love of 'ratty' beetles
That's some fine fabricobln there Wes. Once again you fixed something better than factory. Hope the move is going well.
It's going as well as it can. It's never fun.
Best of luck on the move , that seems to be a really nice little tractor , like you said head and shoulders above the little MTD type .
It is quite a bit more beefy than the homeowner units. Oddly some of those have bigger decks than this one. .
Those pulleys.... I had to do the same thing in my snowblower attachment. $20 from factory part or a $2 bearing.
"Other than everything, this mower deck is fine..."
Pretty normal from my experience. It's kind of like a trailer. It might look good on top, but the horror is on the bottom side.
hahahaha
Might as well add it ALL up for a whole new deck huh... 😂
Hell might as well get a whole whole new mow instead of spending 500$
Excellent work on the Cub Cadet. Bought for $200, 500 and odd for dealer parts and another couple of hundred on bits and ends and of course your time, that doesn't leave any profit if you sell at $800! But at least you have the machine. Maybe a wash and wax... At least you now have a viable machine. Good luck with it.
Yeah, there's no margin on these things. If you watch Mustie1, he rarely messes with riders that need deck work. It's just too expensive. But for my own uses, it makes perfect sense.
Those plastic bushings on the wheels are a real "education" for a non-mechanic like myself. My old MTD Yard Machine, which I plan on keeping until it just falls out from under me, uses those plastic bushings. What I did not know is you HAVE to know which ones as there are two different kinds and using the wrong ones just means you wasted your money. Luckily, my shop knows my machine and gave me the correct ones. I thought the steering mechanism was wearing out but it was just those crazy bushings. Once I replaced them the machine steers and handles like brand new with no play at all in the steering. The things you learn even at my age.
One sure sign of a chain store lawn mower is a front axle made from pressed steel bits welded together. All of the really heavy duty ones have cast front axles.
Ive never seen Mustie use a lathe or a bearing press so you are two up on him. I knew you weren't him when you didn't totally dismantle the carburetor. By the way didn't he also move into a new shop? Nice job enjoyed the video.
I know he has a milling machine and I think he has a lathe.
Can say... that is the first tapered roller spindle that i have ever seen. All the ones that i have worked on are deep groove ball. LOL nice to know that there are actually decent quality spindles out there.
Wes, Thanks for interesting videos. You tend to draw a veil over any machining you do, perhaps thinking Steve Summers and Abom79 have that topic covered, but I quite like watching machining. I originally came to your channel when you found that $100 mill - and we never did see that in use!
Sure you did. I used it a few months ago in the video where I built those custom fixtures. Personally, I enjoy seeing setups and custom tooling, but I find actual machining to be quite boring. The analytics show that most people agree. People skip over the machining.
@@WatchWesWork Thanks. I did see that video but somehow I had forgotten the milling machine's appearance therein.
what i was told about the spindle seals on a cub cadet forum.........Normally, one would put in seals so the lips retain grease inside.
BUT since we have grease fittings in the shaft, if we did that and began greasing, one of the seals would be forced out, usually ruining it.
so install one seal "upside down" so while greasing, any excess will harmlessly
work out around the seal.
Some prefer to do the bottom seal inverted, others do the top so they can see the grease coming out while greasing.(if the belt guard if off)
also a slower reverse is the way cub c is set up, its for safety
That pry bar you can do a small mod. I learned this from my old boss at the trans shop. Weld a handle on it so to speak. Then pull it up against seal and tap tap on the hjandle with a small hjammer. Makes the seal pop right out with no prying. Im surprised after all the shopping around, you didnt check amazon or ebay for complete spindle kits. I remeber getting spindle kits for craftsmen tractor's for under 40 bucks. Complete as in pulley, tower, bearings and new spindle shaft. Good job though man. Enjoyed the video! P.s if you know how long the belt is you can buy universal mower belts at tractor supply for under 25 bucks.
I have a similar type of seal puller for a slide hammer. It does work well. These tapered roller bearing style spindles are much more expensive than the cheaper ball bearing type. There does not appear to be an aftermarket source for them.
After watching a lot of SMA lately going back to watch this the Napa not a sponsor killed me.
I had a Sears rider that ran forever and when the mower deck would be cracked or broken I would braze it back together the brass is softer then steel welding and holds up well to the vibration of a lawnmower.
Lol 🤣. That parts racket is definitely true, In every industry. I work for a company that services commercial kitchen equipment I order part for a steal .. hell I've ordered parts From the supplier of my supplier.
You see it everywhere. I worked in a shop once that had radiant floor heat and the heating unit died. The boss got some astronomical quote for a replacement. He called in another guy who look at it and said it was just an off the shelf swimming pool heater available from almost any pool supplier for a fraction of the quote we got.
I got a cub 3225 for 700 bucks with a 50 inch deck and the snow blade hitch it`s a beast 23 hp. kohler. My wife loves it, now she will mow the 3 ac yard.
I have an opportunity to purchase the same machine but the engine is and cooling fins are caked with oil and the hydraulic fluid leaks. 700 hrs. any thoughts?
Data plate on mine is on frame rail just below your fuel filter.
My is a HDS2165 585 hours on a 16 hp Bregs & Stratton, runs great does not use oil..
Has snow blower attachment.
Nice work!
I find it cheaper to buy the spindles and pulley from Amazon. I get about 10 years use out of them. Also they are usually upgraded from the original.
Well edited video Wes. I enjoyed it. Doesn't have to be machining. I like repair videos just as much. That mower had seen better days. Having the deck sorted is nice. That's where most the damage and wear takes place anyway. That is as long as the owner doesn't run the engine out of oil. They all use a small amount and I would see it every day. Some owners would never checks the oil
and throw a rod or lock them up. Them they would check and see it had no oil then proceed to fill it with new oil and scream warranty. Not even smart enough to fill it with used oil 1st😉. All day every day. Nice buy
Thanks Steve! Did you work at a dealer? My dad was a small engine mechanic at a dealer when he was in college. They sold Homelite saws and trimmers, and Dixon riding lawn mowers. I think he knows more about Homelite engines and Dixon friction drive mowers than anyone above ground.
@@WatchWesWork Yes, I did work at a dealer for 3+ years. We did Briggs, Tecumseh, Kohler, Onan. Murry, MTD . This has been 18+years ago. Learned tons of things that I still use today. The guy that owned the place was good at what he done.
Interesting! My dad liked the small engine shop so much that he tried to buy it. They never made a deal. Things would have been quite different if they had!
Love the Tango and Cash reference @1:56.
I think you can makeup a new deck baffle that would be better than the original or a reproduction if you need to as you are pretty crafty. My opimion.
I started following mustie about the same time the lumber truck got finished. He did almost exclusively VW stuff back then (on the channel, probably not in real life). He did not start as a small engine guy, at least as far as I know. That 50 years of flea-marketing and roadside trash picking really pays off.
You're no Mustie1 but I will happily watch you work and learn from you.
You have come a long way on your audio and video. Thanks.
I enjoyed watching and like repairing also. It’s a shame that it’s almost not worth fixing these with the price of the parts, and the low resale.
I learned a lot from your video thanks.
I think I liked it more then a musty1 video. Getting a bit over seeing carb cleaning videos. Keep up the good work it’s beyond me why you don’t get 10 times views on your videos
We'll get there. It takes a lot of time. Mustie has been posting videos for over 10 years and he has over 1,200 videos. That's more than 2 a week for 10 years!
Wes Johnson Services. I am also a machine tool service tech and was thinking of doing a video about my toolbox comparing it to yours. Do you mind ?
That would be cool. You should definitely make the video!
I've had a 2145 C/C for 23 years. While it is an MTD built machine it has the tapered roller bearings in the deck hydrostatic and shaft drive. Have had to rewire because of cheap connectors that get loose and burn out. Onan motor keeps on running flawlessly.
There's a lot of those still going strong.
I once read this description: "If it has lug nuts, it's a lawn tractor, otherwise it's a lawn mower"
Sounds right. I don't imagine it's worth arguing over.
And if it has ground engaging equipment like a Wheel Horse then it's a straight up garden tractor. Breaking plow, belly blade, snow blower, sickle mower, and can take on a front end loader.
Great channel I am hooked now
I got an MTD 12.5 HP B&S engine and 38 inch deck for FREE from the local Landfill. Only had to put a battery and gas in it plus tubes in all 4 tires. Total cost was $85. CAD.
Sweet machine. For $200 that was a steal. Good luck with the move.
I thought so.
you finally broke down and bought a driver set. i feel like it need to give in now too and pick one up. looking forward to seeing the new shop set up.
2+ acres to mow at the new place, so I need an upgrade from my vintage Simplicity Sun Star.
@@WatchWesWork I thought a sunstar was a comparable machine? Im running a walker zero turn or the diesel bolens ht20 for mowing
Sorry, it's a Sun Runner, not a Sun Star. Looks like this one spencersales.hibid.com/lot/72122-78936-20739/simplicity-sun-runner-lawn-mower/. It's kind of a cool old machine, but the deck is shot and it's really small.
Love the videos Wes, really like the way you explain your thought process, but one thing that's annoying is the way US posters say how easy it is to just get on the net and order what is needed from McMaster Carr.
McMaster Carr and many other suppliers you guys rely on don't post to those of us outside the US. It's kind of like shaking a bag of sweets in front of a kid.😥😥😥
Cheers Eric
Yup, that is a robust machine. Good luck on the rest of the move, and don't let that Brian guy shame you. I know know his forman won't let him buy seal drivers when a socket works perfectly well ;-)
That's always been my thinking. But, the internet demands that we use the "right" tool. Whatever that is.
McMaster-Carr ought to be paying you. Since you brought them to my attention a few weeks ago I've already made about 6 orders.
Great video. Thanks
Great job.
May be you should look at 19:09" in the vid, depenting on the problems with the steering.
It looks like the hole front axel is wobling when there gets tention on it from the steering cylinder.But may be it's only me, because I don't know hvow the front axel is mountet to the frame.Thanks for another nice and interesting video.
Wes, your wife said she wants a new seat on her mower and USB outlet. Did you replace hydraulic fluid too? How about a new dash for the mower, temp, fuel, oil pressure, etc. Good repair video and new shop tour soon.
I'm going to scab on a universal seat. I can't bring myself to fork over the $275 Cub Cadet wants for the real deal.
@@WatchWesWork tractor supply or northern tool for the seat
hey tim hard to keep track of all your videos all over the place but enjoying eack😅
If MTD were to rivet a real tag to the machine, what a day it would be. The sticker that came on these 3000 series fell off or disappeared with the first good cleaning. I'm not wanting to be a parts catalog for identifying a machine, I just want to walk up and read one simple data tag that tells us exactly what we're messing with. Rant of the day. Kudos to Kohler, their stickers usually stay on the engine housing and only fade a little bit. My rant of the day.
Nice!!
Model number on those Cubs are on the frame usually near the engine same with the mower decks
Unfortunately, not on this one.
Nice job, enjoyed going thru the repair.
I am in New Zealand and just the other day accidently put petrol into a diesel van. AA tow truck, home, next day drained it and refilled with diesel. The fuel container that I used to get the diesel with is RED and it has written on it USE FOR PETROL OR DIESEL FUELS. So I used it for DIESEL. There you have it!!!
Yeah, that's not good. The petrol doesn't lubricate so it's hard on the pump or injectors. I worked on an engine once that destroyed the turbo after running petrol instead of diesel. High exhaust temperatures I guess.
@@WatchWesWork I would think that with any computerized engine management system, there would be sensors that would automatically shut down the engine before the petrol got to the injectors. In the old days, with petrol, diesel engines piston tops would blow through with the wrong fuel.
Well it was definitely a computer controlled engine that I worked on. I'm not sure how the computer would know what kind of fuel was used. It's a bad deal. I would think a common rail pump would take a beating if you filled up with petrol.
@@WatchWesWork Wrong fuel mistakes happen all the time especially where the petrol, diesel pumps are located next to each other. In New Zealand, the majority of vehicles are Japanese and I am sure they would have an auto shut down design in their vehicles. I find their engineering is thorough. Must look into this shut down system - ie if it exists.
Well if it doesn't you should invent it!
Enjoyed the video thanks.
I've got one parked in the yard waiting in a motor replacement or rebuild. But it was a mighty machine that's for Sure. I miss riding it actually.
I've got a few projects like that...
Don't worry about what other people say whose riding mower is it yours or theirs you do what you want it belongs to you.
Great video. I'm interested to know - would you have still bought it if you knew how much work and money you needed to put into it to get it fixed up? I'm not being critical because, believe me, I've been there and hindsight is a wonderful thing :-)
O I heard the mower cry out….”I want a new deck”. “I want a new deck”
JoeB
Yes sir you got a good deal .That is a real tractor made well .
Extremely fair priced my 40 dollar cheaply was a poullan friction drive
I don't remember the exact words he used, but Henry Ford once said that he would have gotten out of the car business in a second if he could just sell the parts.
OK, A off topic question for you Wes. In the bonus bonus video footage, is that a spray and pray I noticed leaning against the wall?
Wes, love the videos and logic in making the repairs.....one question.....with all your labor and parts, was it cost effective to make the repairs? just curious.
Probably not.
Good Fix I watch Mustie and you now be you Musties done this for years bet he watches you too i di this at one time fix anything no more will watch you much more fun and i dont hurt so much and i love big stuff too keep it up keep learning
never worry about not being Mustie1 you doing fine all by yourself