How to use ambient reverb before modulation and delay on your pedalboard
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- čas přidán 21. 09. 2017
- Quick pedal order tip that lets you get unique ambient tones by running a long drone reverb into modulation and delay pedals.
Most of us are probably familiar with the standard way of running your pedalboard signal chain, which is something like this: Tuner-
Comp - Drives - Modulation - Delay - Reverb.
But the real fun happens when you stray from the path most travelled. When you make up your own rules, switch things around and see what wonderful textures appear out of nowhere. Hence we intentionally seek to break the rules in this Tonal Teamwork episode, where we move the reverb from the ending of the chain to the very beginning, creating beautiful ambient textures by running the stretchy, droning reverb from the EarthQuaker Afterneath into the Anasounds Phase Lag Phaser, Fairfield Circuitry Meet Maude Analog Delay and EarthQuaker Devices Avalanche Run Delay/Reverb
Guitars used:
Fender US Telecaster
Pedals used:
Earthquaker Devices Afterneath - thepedalzone.com/afterneath-v3/
Earthquaker Devices Avalanche Run - thepedalzone.com/avalanche-run/
Anasounds Phase Lag Phaser
Fairfield Circuitry meet Maude Analog Delay
Amps used:
Fender Deluxe Reverb 65 RI - Hudba
This is what I've wanted forever; a short-form, ThatPedalShow style channel dedicated to spacious ambience. With you and Chords of Orion in my subscirption box I'm never short of inspiration :)
Dude! Thank you so much. Your kind words truly mean a lot to me. I love Bill's channel as well. Such a kind ang gentle soul that makes kind and gentle music. Rock on, buddy! :)
that pedal show is nice but listening to someone playing bluesy licks like a prick gets boring real quick haha
so true !
I used to be a metalhead. I’m still running all these pedals into the clean channel of a 6505+ but I’m playing a telecaster and doing ambient full time the last couple of years. Chords or Orion was a huge influence. I’m going to subscriber here too
This guy is way more on the money. That pedal show are a bit too daggy/in the past
Beautiful! I’m so glad I finally found a guitar player who thinks like I do! “The rules are no fun, man. You make your own rules.”
Yay! So happy to have you here 😊🤘
Dude you play the good chords and the effects are hypnotic and this is what I seek to be able to play for hours and get lost in it
My general rule is delay into reverb is a natural style sound, and reverb into delay is dreamy. Also, the modulated delay after the reverb was astounding!
I gotta say, people in guitar/gear videos just always seem such nice people
It’s difficult to get mad when you get to mess around with gear 😊
Dude you should consider reviewing some old blood noise pedals, they'd be perfect for ambient music. Keep being awesome, Stefan!
Thank you very much, Colin :) And yes, OBNE pedals are great for otherworldly ambience.
YES. Dreamy reverbs into EVERYTHING FOREVER
YES!
im so happy i discovered this channel....love you're playing man and you're attitude ...rock on
I have a EHX SuperEgo which is a Freeze/sustain synth engine. The most amazing part is, it has an effects loop
which you can add whatever effects you’d like to the frozen sustained sound.
Just another way of stretching that beautiful modulated signal out.
I found out how amazing reverb into delay was by chance. I by accident had put the delay Before the reverb and I didn’t realize I had done this. I was getting this incredible ambient sound and my role in this musical situation was to be the spacey ambient volume swell with slide guitar guy. Lol...Everyone was commenting on how amazing it sounded and asked what I was running, I looked down at my pedals to begin explaining my signal chain and then I realized my reverb was running into the delay. This was an aha moment for me to say the least... great tutorial, I have many of the pedals you are using here and appreciate you sharing, yet again another great vid.
It never even occurred to me to try this. Please keep the ideas coming!
Amazing! I really enjoyed this insight and your playing.
+Ryan Straub - Thank you! Really happy to hear that :)
Brings to mind some Oceansize riffs.
Nice! I absolutely adore Oceansize
I had used my reverb + delay pedal early in the chain (after compressor) for lead work but not for drones to extend modulation. I hadn't ever thought of this. Damn. My Mr. Black Supermoon I just sold would have been perfect for this.
I could live with these kind of sounds forever! Uhghh so much happiness i am feeling whenever i am watching your videos dude! I really really love your stuff!
Incredibly humbled by your kind words. I'm so happy you find happiness and zen in the sounds 😊
That phaser thing is so cool! I love that sound . . . wow! Thanks!
Thank you so much! I could live in that sound forever 😊
Liked for "stretching out the reverb effect." I hadn't visualized it like this but immediately knew what you meant!
fantastic sound!
Matthew Maneri - Awwww, dude! Thank you :)
Ooooooo my goodnesss!!! You don't even know how many doors you just opened for me in trying to nail down an ambient sound. Thank you good sir!
I'm thrilled to hear that. Really happy you found the video informative and inspiring 🙏
Can't wait to get home and try this out!!
+Noah McCoy - Let me know how it goes :)
Tus videos son geniales/bacanes amigo y son de mucha utilidad !!
Saludos desde Chile
keep it up bro! Love the ambient stuff!
+WesHaneyMusic - Thanks, man! Means a lot to me :)
Thank you so much for giving me this wicked idea! I'm so going to try it.
Happy you found the video helpful 🙏
Wow, you are so inspiring man, I love your playing! If only i had the time i need to play and experiment all those ideas.
Oh wow! Thank you. Just really honoured to hear that you discovered some new interesting ideas through my video. Makes it all worth it :)
Amazing! I have a Phase 95 being delivered tomorrow, can't wait to try this! Great work, as always.
That's awesome to hear, man! I'm stoked that the video has inspired you to mess around with your pedal order ☺
Sounding really good.
Thank you very much :)
So pumped every time I see one of your videos pop up Stephen. What would I do without these videos?!?!
Dude! Thank you. You're the best
Great rundown video. Thanks! I really dig putting the delay before my modulation because it does accentuate the delayed signal as it’s passing through my phaser/flanger/tremolo/chorus. I’ve been doing it that way for a while now. My friend told me about it a few years ago. I do a lot of ambient/reggae delayed sounds so it sounds cool doing it this way. It’s sort of like the modulation is warping the delayed sound and you can manipulate that specific signal. Lots of control there that’s really fun to play with!
Utterly gorgeous
Cheers, man! Happy you enjoyed the sounds 😊
Yay I always like tonal teamwork
Flynn Hanbury Tenison - Awwww, thanks! That makes me really happy to hear :)
I am so glad that I stumbled upon this video. I was just thinking earlier that it might be fun to run my Euphoria> Dark Star>Phase 95>Dispatch Master, instead of having the Dark Star last as it currently is. After watching this video, I am definitely going to try it out. 😬😬🎶🎶
So glad i saw this,im a bass player, but i have always been into ambient, gave up on individual pedals long ago (sold them all, including a couple of basses,because life happens) recently went back to playing just last month, when my brother gave me a bass as an early birthday,went and bought a budget multifx and used your tone print as a guide,really surprised with the outcome...thanks for the inspiration
Sounds amazing
Thank you so much!
You inspire me buddy - where did you get your chords inspiration from? ted green chord chemistry ? Or happy accidents ?
Just started using Walrus SLO > Strymon Deco last on my board and wooow it's amazing with the verb into some tape echo or wobbly chorus.
Very nice. I too would always put reverb last which is fine for conventional reverbs but for the droning, atmospheric ones I favor, first is best!
This guy is fucking awesome.
Thanks, dude! That’s incredibly kind of you. You seem to be pretty rad yourself 😊🤘❤️
I keep coming back to this video. Such a great idea! I wish you were my neighbor.
Haha! Thanks, dude! And yeah, would be rad with some gear nerdy neighbours. That way we didn't have to worry about noise complaints. We would simply understand each other 😂☺
One of those brilliantly obvious ideas that inevitably make me feel like, damn, why didn't I think of that before?
I'm happy you found the video inspiring. The best ideas are often the simplest 😊
@@thepedalzone Ocham would agree 😉 thanks indeed.
lovely indeed.
Thank you! ❤
Another beautiful video! Thank you! Love the earthquaker Tee!!!
Cheers, bud!
@@thepedalzone 🤘😎
When you turned all of them on at once it was like a whole ecosystem came to life heh heh
Great vid!
+D'Wan Ellington - Thank you very much!
Fantastic!
Many thanks!
Awesome awesome awesome!!! ❤️
Thank you! Cheers!
Very inspiring...thnks man
Happy you enjoyed the video. Means the world to me that you found inspiration in it 🙏
You’re the best dude! Enjoy that baby!
Man ! I subscribed !!
I'm a Rythm guitarist in my band we don't have keyboardist and I found your vids very interesting !
Thanks for the kind words, and thank you so much for subscribing. Means the world to me 🙏
Stefan, thank you for giving the world hours of videos to watch during these weird quarantine times. I know this is an old video but keep making more. Your hunt for ethereal, lush, tones and what you’ve created in the waiting times is truly spectacular. Do you have any demo music or copy-written works to listen to? I would love to buy your albums!
Great idea! So, besides moving my afterneath ahead of my mod section now, I'm also stealing your afterneath settings!
Go for it, dude! Honored to hear you liked the trick and want to implement it in your own setup ☺
I think it's one layer too many for me, but I really dig the phased reverb plus analog delay. Great idea!
Thank you! Happy you enjoyed that sound and found the video inspiring and informative. Means a great deal to me :)
The face at 4.46 is golden xd
Tonal Teamwork, my favourite :D
+rahzark - Thanks, dude! Really happy you liked it :)
Me too
I'm rearranging my pedal board now.........thanks
pappsco54 - That's awesome, dude! Happy you found the video inspiring :)
Yeah. The Métis polymoon does stuff like this I think. Great idea. Thank you.
Yes, the Meris Polymoon can do something similar to this. I have a demo of the Polymoon on my channel. You should check it out!
Luv it
Thank you kindly 🙏
Thank you
Welcome!
LOVE what you create with these 4 pedals. I can't help but wonder what parallel routing that phaser in would be like. My challenge with them is the total dominance of the dry signal- especially those without a "blend" knob. Perhaps the Signal Blender or Visitor nowadays would help with that. Thanks again for demonstrating how to layer pads and create an entire new pallette.
Hot damn I was gonna do that thanks thanks
Happy to hear you liked the video and found it helpful. Means a lot to me ❤
Your tonez brought me from six to midnight real quick #markagnesi
Haha! Both honoured and slightly scared at the same time 😂Happy you liked the video, man. Means a lot!
Better late than never. Kudos men..After seeing your video I finally found the tone I want. Here's my signal chain. Xotic Sp>Little Green Wonder>OCD>MXR Reverb>Phase 90>Flashback X4>
That is really awesome to hear. Happy you found the video helpful and inspiring 🙏
That's a really cool trick. I'll bust out my Phase Lag and give it a go
Were you running any of your effects at 12 V?
Happy you found the video inspiring! I basically never run my pedals at 12v unless they need to in order to function.
@@thepedalzone Endlessly!
That's interesting to know. I just noticed that your power brick could be set to different voltages and I wondered if you had.
awesome
Thank you! Happy you liked it 😊
Great! I found the sound that I was looking for, using something similar to your idea. Thanks! Suscribed.
That's so awesome to hear, man! Thank you for watching and thank you for subscribing. Really means a lot to me ❤
Totally agree on reverb before the delay. Essentially the delay acts as a sustainer of the reverb effect, like a drone. Delay before reverb just makes the room sound bigger. So it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. Another cool trick is to go straight Tame Impala and put a dynacomp after the reverb to super sustain it.
when you played the afterneath it made me feel like i was listening to music back in 2013 again. A magical time for me and music. I'm getting that and the anasounds phaser ASAPPPPPP. Great video!
Edit: Just ordered it!
That is the power of music. It's an emotional time machine. It can take you anywhere, even into the future. Happy you enjoyed the video, man. Means a lot to me 🙏
2013 was a great year for music
Plus you could mess around with an expression pedal to change the Avalanche Run while you’re still playing. Good times!
Indeed! Could also do that with the Meet Maude. Doubling up on the good times :)
I run my dark star pedal this way and it rules!
Yeah, that one is great for long stretchy reverb drones as well 😊
I’ve checked out your old Sky Architects gig and it certainly is really nice stuff, but I have to to say I trip much more when I listen to your playing in these demos. THAT’S architectural stuff! Your channel is just a constant source of inspiration (and a constant bank account drain)... 😜👍
Music often turns into a different thing when it's communicated by multiple peoples visions instead of just one. There's bits of me in there, but also bits of my friends. Happy you liked it, and I'm happy you also like what I do here on the channel on my own. Means the world to me ❤
ThePedalZone True! In my opinion, what sets your channel apart from he pack is the quality and originality of the compositions you use to showcase each pedal’s features and capabilities. And of course your impeccable taste in pedals... 😉
Interesting to go phaser into delay.... not the typical approach, I think. Thanks.
Hey Stefan, amazing playing! Curious what bands inspire you to create beautiful ambient music?
Do you have any recorded music? I could listen to you play all day man! Keep up the great work!
+Wolf Sound - That's unbelievably kind of you to say, man! Don't have any solo stuff out. You're welcome to check out my old band though. It's called Sky Architects. You can find it on Spotify, Bandcamp and iTunes. Thanks for watching and commenting. Means so much to me :)
Excellent! Love the devices n especially EarthQuaker Devices Avalanche Run that i just got from youtube few days ago before this channel. The problem is it not cheap devices. Are they have in ios to can use in ambient music? Tq. Once more it is excellent bro!
Just a tip for future viewers - the typical pedal order we are told is for your standard type or music, lots of modern music has gone outside the norm, place your pedals where you like them, experiment with placement… but… always place your germanium fuzz first, other than that have a party
Well. That's one thing I never tried. Gonna try to stick my OBNE Procession BEFORE the Avalanche Run... (The more I think of it, the more I think I just need two kinds of effects on my board to have all the options !)
Nate Pan - Sweeeet! Sounds like a fun combo. Happy you found the video informative and inspiring :)
Awesome work once again, Stefan! Is there anything that sounds like this in the Pedal Zone Spotify playlist?
Mannes - Thank you very much! My biggest inspiration for sounds and textures like this is always Hammock and Stars Of The Lid. There should be tracks with them on the list :)
Hey man are you going to do a walrus audio slo demo? I've just got one and I'd love to see what you'd do with it! If you've already got one, I can't find it 😢
ime univibe and tremelo benefits a lot from this, the other fx not so much.
and the foxrox tzf flanger is to die for slapped on the end; often best left unsmothered.
Man, the Afterneath sounds absolutely amazing! Are you going thru the Stone Deaf here as well, or just the DR?
Now What1 - Yeah, it's such a great reverb. I really love it 😊 It's only the DR that's in use here. Still need a second mic in order to record in stereo. Should get one soon though. Thanks for watching and commenting. Means a lot to me 🤘
I think that YT must be listening to me practice. This video came up in my recommendations after I changed my pedal order -- I actually had been putting my MXR M300 reverb before my DOD Rubberneck delay, but this morning decided to switch things up and put the reverb last, per the "usual wisdom," and found better clarity in both the repeats and the shimmer, and better control over self-oscillation. As you say, don't worry about rules or consensus, try things. Perhaps in my case, it's a matter of how my particular reverb and delay interact with each other. But I certainly will be trying my modulation pedals post reverb.
I have to get a stereo phaser or I could run a mono one into first channel, so second one would be without it, which can give me wide stereo sound.
Check out the KMA Horizont. It’s an incredible stereo phaser. I have a demo of it here on my channel 👍
I really need to get myself a Gigrig or other ordering systems so I can do this.
Ryan McGowan - Happy to hear you found the video inspiring. Really means a lot to me :)
A Helix.
This signal flow is and will ALWAYS be beyond amazing!
Question:
Is this chain (or any pedal) going through the effects loop??
Thanks, man! That’s incredibly kind of you ❤️🙏 Everything is going into the front of the amp. I’ve never used an amp’s fx loop in my entire life 😂
ThePedalZone wow!! That’s very impressive!! Thanks for the reply 🙏😊🌞
Makes me really wonder, how or even if this exact signal chain you have running in this video would sound going through an FX loop??
I’m curious if it would enhance this beauty you have created?
rocker dave I doubt it would change much of anything since he’s running the amp so clean. Most use the effects loop to put the delays and modulations after the amp distortion. With his set up it would just be about the eq placement which is less impactful.
@@thepedalzone finally someone who doesn’t like effects loops. It never sounds right. Something is always off or maybe I don’t know how to use it.
Absolutely love that crazy, cave-dwelling wizard's magic. Stealing that setting for my Afterneath. I've put mine in front of my Avalanche Run too, but definitely going to put some mod/delay in between now.
+Tom Lewis - So awesome, dude! Afterneath is just such a killer pedal. Simply opens up an entirely new world of creative possibilities. Honored to hear that you found the video informative and inspiring. Makes it all worth it :)
Do u think the flashback triple delay is good for ambient delay
Hey man great video!! I usually place my reverb at the end of the chain before looper, im planning to get more reverb pedal, any suggest where i put the 2nd reverb? 😃
I recommend you watch my video called Why You Need More Reverb - Early-chain reverb VS end-of-chain reverb. It should give you some ideas of different reverb types you can use earlier in the chain 😊
@@thepedalzone whoa..definitely subs your channel! 😆
Great video - what kit do you use to power your pedals?
Thank you very much :) I use a CIOKS DC10 to power the board.
I noticed when you clicked on your Afterneath that it started to give off a high frequency hiss. Does that drive you crazy? Mine does that and I have gone back and forth from kicking it off of my board because of this. I did however figure out that if you keep your Drag knob past 12oclock the hiss is not so bad.
No, doesn’t bother me at all. You don’t notice it once the music is playing. On top of that I rarely use super low drag settings. I mainly use Afterneath for smooth long reverb tones, hence Drag is almost always maxed out for me
Could u do an episode on ambient guitar chord theory
Flynn Hanbury Tenison - I suck at theory, so can't really dive into that. But will gladly do a video on my approach and thoughts on chord structures and voicings for ambient guitar :)
I'm terrible at theory Ibut i just want to learn how to do ambient chords
I was gonna ask the same thing.........please do a video on these chords.........I could listen to that sound for days and days.........amazing
Yes I have been meaning to ask for this
Antoine Michaud (aka Monochrome Seasons) has a whole series on ambient chords and related topics. Another great video Stefan!
What is the wood looking pedal? I love it
That’s an Anasounds Phase Lag phaser. Really chewy and lush phaser. I dig it. Happy you liked it as well 😊
I have a mr black supermoon chrome but I'll have to pick up something like the afterneath. How long are the tails?
Honestly don't know how long the trails are, but they are looooong. Borderline infinite if you find the sweet spot between Decay and Reflect on it 👍
@@thepedalzone that's awesome. I like the pre-delay control. The Supermoon feels like it had almost no pre-delay
Dude u should put out an ambient guitar albu,
Album
Maybe one day :)
Hello there. I'm trying to figure it out how I should put my effects together. I have polara, obscura and dd7. And I'm tired. Any thoughts?
You usually run delays into reverbs. On top of that I like to run more analog/tape-voiced delays into digital delays. So my preferred routing would probably be Obscura -> DD7 -> Polara. But mess around with it. Nothing's carved in stone ☺
@@thepedalzone I watched also your another episode and decided to put polara-> obscura -> dd7. It gives me interesting texture, although I'm wondering if it's not too dirty for electric or acoustic guitar as week. I care for low level of polara and I think for now it works :) Thank you very much, I will try to check out your piece of advice, too :)
Ach, and after polara I have also chorus. So it's polara -> chorus, obscura -> dd7. It creates nice pads. The only problem I've discovered is low level of signal in boss in case of looping. In a delay it works well. I found messing around with gain and a noise gate improves it, but who has time messing with noise gate when looping, playing clean, using a wah wah and a fuzz... wah wah is loud as hell and I need to turn the knobs of my gate before I use them. Just before my solo. So much potential wasted 🙈
Oooooh me likey.
Now if you can make it stereo...
Hook up a second amp, and you’re golden! Go for it! Happy you liked the sounds 😊
What tele are you using Stefan? Is it stock or did you change something? 😊
+Oliver Gebauer - Just an all stock Fender Tele US from the late-mid 90s. Think it’s from 96 or something like that. Only thing changed is the scratch plate 😊
ThePedalZone thanks 🙏🏻
do you have a pedal list ? very interested in the third pedal from the right.
That might be the Fairfield Circuitry Meet Maude you're referring to then, if I understand you directionality 😊
@@thepedalzone Thanks, Stefan, I've put reverb in front of the chain before and have had some fun results. You have to keep experimenting with it all, no rules, just what comes out in the end. Thanks Fam !
Stone Deaf amp review, please ;)
Białe Paski - Maybe someday :) But my first impression is: IT RULES!!!
You look so sad when the phase sound dies away before you put the afterneath on ;)
I was 😂
Is the stone deaf amp good?
+Flynn Hanbury Tenison - Yes! It is VERY good. Will do a video on it in the near future :)
What does the EQ on your amp look like?
Bass around 4-5. Treble around 6-7
ThePedalZone you’re a wealth of knowledge and I am eager to learn
Ah. sweet irony- for years, wondered at those pointlessly stacking drives, creating muddled messes,- but this?Unheard of; sweet, smart.Thinking for yourself....a dangerous precedent.
Happy you like my independent sonic mind ❤
People have been doing this for decades. Many of the OG dreampop bands did this regularly.