‘Let Me Just Interrupt You There’: ACB Barrett Grills Lawyer In Case On Criminalizing Homelessness
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- During oral arguments in the City of Grants Pass v. Johnson on Monday, Justice Amy Coney Barrett questioned the attorney for the city of Grants Pass, Oregon about restrictions for homeless people.
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Why isn't anyone talking about the elephant in the room?
WHY ARE THEY HOMELESS!!!!
Bingo
Because that's the first step in solving the problem and that problem is a multibillion dollar industry.
Several reasons : GOP RepubliCON ( and currently Trump CULT ) greed - sociopathy - lack of compassion and the profoundly corrupt nature of everything in this nation ( ironically adjudicated as perfectly legal by THIS BODY - SCOTUS ) See Citizens United for more . . Combine that with outsourcing - Wall Street - ( proven erroneous ) "Trickle Down" nonsense and the largest wealth and income gap in recorded history and the purposeful hollowing out of the middle class by RepubliCONs - and here we are.
because then they'll have to help them rather than exploit them.
Homelessness is a BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY..... If it's "solved" you know how many people would be out of a job? Maybe not able to afford housing? How about taking an empty city lot & building an apartment building with social services and therapy, AA meetings, education classes etc house 100s of people. Teach building maintenance while maintaining the building. Section 8 can pay the rent. Seems a lot more efficient than what's going on now...
I’d like to see our country spend $95 billion on our own homeless before funding foreign wars
We already do and it's all unaccounted for. Homelessness is a big business. There is a ton of graft going on.
Mahan Doctrine
In your view, what should be done with 95 billion towards solving homelessness? What does that look like?
@@nickmasters8474Closing the border thus reducing the fentanyl that comes across that fuels this bs. Ever been to Kensington in North Philly ? I have
Problem is...This administration does not care about our Welfare.! 🤔🙄😡🤬
We have a serious politician & lawyer problem in this country
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Politician and lawyer are synonyms!
Way to stay on topic 👍
they are somewhat antonyms. lawyers keep politicians in check. but it's also politicians to know most the stuff lawyers learn. for example constitution is above presidents and they are suppost to use it as a guide for law making but yet still b1dens first day in office he signed executive order that deliberately excluded whites, which violates 14th amendment.
@@henlohenlo689 what?? excluded whites from what??
I cannot believe this is being argued at the Supreme Court.
We need a solution to this problem which is not a homeless problem but rather we instead have drug addiction, mental illness and criminal problems. I can hear from the questioning that SCOTUS is treating this like an economic issue instead. People on the streets because of economic circumstances don't pose a threat to society that the other categories do. If SCOTUS forces neighborhoods to tolerate these non-economic socially corrosive categories of people squatting in our public spaces, I see us all living in San Francisco $hitholes.
@bubbajones4522 the first manchurian candidate Ray-gun, got rid of most of those publicly accessible facilities .
If the SC was actually to do what it should, it would simply say being broke and homeless is not a crime, toss this "case" and declare it to be grossly unconstitutional.
@@pilotnamealreadytaken6035 Yes, I know. A very dick move. We need to reverse this injustice. How many institutions could that Ukraine and Israel money have paid for?
so true
Wouldn't it be best to have a society where a person can work a full time job and be able to afford housing, food and utilities?
How about national rent control? Not in 'exceptional' America!
Lower taxes and reduce the regulations that drive up the cost of Living.
Corporate America is actively involved with the homeless issue. When corporations live and breathe for shareholders, others do not matter.
The world worked that way prior to feminism. The wars deserve some credit because they pushed women into working which meant women ceased maintaining high-society and then the subsequent feminist movement cement it as our new way of life which meant the end of high-society in America.
So now the typical household has two people earning incomes competing for the same goods and services; so prices skyrocket, especially real-estate.
@@draighodge6039What regulations are you blathering about?
Is this one of the places that also has a law against sleeping in your car? Because often those tickets add up and the person ends up losing their car and so if they had a job, end up losing that. Then the person is put in jail for not paying fines. How about working on humane solutions?
The only thing they are suggesting is more money to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Israel. Those are the only priorities they care about. It is infuriating.
@@Jean-Seb that's actually axis propaganda you are saying, and the expense and our domestic ability to work on problems like homelessness would be irreparably damaged if auth state imperialism is allowed to stamp out democracy abroad. Don't be obtuse or single-minded - many problems exist together at once and, ultimately, are co-determinate.
All the care about is funding Ukraine and taking care of illegals here illegally.
@Jean-Seb we can walk 🚶 and chew gum 😋 at the same time.
I stand with Israel 🇮🇱 and Ukraine 🇺🇦
@jeepernj99 migrants r technically here legally but it's still wrong. Our own homeless come first.
Why do they always concentrate on the problems and never on the solutions?
Because then the people in charge of finding the solutions would be out of a job.
@@TheOriginalJphyperYAHTZEE!!!!!!!
How do you handle drug addicts who refuse to work?
It really isn't the courts job to figure out solutions. We can definitely rail against congress and even communities for not figuring out solutions though.
A drug addiction is an illness. Why is that difficult to comprehend?
What about our VETERANS???? There's NOT ENOUGH TO HELP 1 GROUP OR "KIND" OF HOMELESS why is the GOVT saying it's illegal to NOT MAKE ENOUGH MONEY TO AFFORD HOUSING....
We need affordable housing to stop people from winding up on the streets, because the rents are beyond what people can pay.
People are not homeless because of unaffordable rent
@@hsmd4533 No they're not, but it's one of the reasons.
@@hsmd4533
From the Pew Center, titled _"How housing costs drive levels of homelessness,"_
_"A new analysis of rent prices and homelessness in American cities demonstrates the strong connection between the two:_ _homelessness is high in urban areas where rents are high, and homelessness rises when rents rise."_
Please look up the whole report.
Better yet, look up corroborating studies after you read the Pew Center report.
That's maybe going to stop you from blaming the homeless for what is a systemic problem.
@@hsmd4533
The censor robot is not allowing me to cite the source.
This is copy pasted from P e w:
"Much of the research looks at the variation in homelessness among geographies and finds that housing costs explain far more of the difference in rates of homelessness than variables such as substance use disorder, mental health, weather, the strength of the social safety net, poverty, or economic conditions."
@@hsmd4533
Most studies find the biggest correlation: aka what results in homelessness, is rent increases.
Sure mental health, disability, and substance abuse factors in.
But the strongest predictor of growth in homelessness is the rents going up.
(Maybe the censorbot will allow this)
So rather than focus on the problems that have created homelessness, we punish those already going through a nightmare. Compassion and reason at their finest.
My son, who is on the autism spectrum, is one rent raise away from being able to stay in the apartment complex for people with disabilities. His job will not make him him full-time. He only works about 27-31 hours per week.
Susan, I would like to comment and I can relate to your situation. I worked for 20 years and paid rent for 8 years and could never afford to leave or save up any money. 8 years/ Just a few thoughts they want to keep raising the rent. Also they want to make sure that you can't save up enough money to leave or go anywhere else. Also a problem I see is they force people into payment plans and loans and that doesn't allow them to save money.
@@johnathanrmstrng186 you understand, grasshopper! Cruelty is the point!
All Americans are at risk of homelessness quicker that an employer can say your fired. If outlawing homeless trynnny will happen.
@@user-mk5uz1ez3k This is tyranny, the law is written to favor those whom legislate and they have the FORCE of law (police) as their tool and law is not necessarily just, therefore force can be and is used unjustly.
@@johnathanrmstrng186 I am sorry for your struggles and situation. I am a landlord and have much respect from my tenants. I hate to raise rent. However, when these programs get implemented and our politicians give themselves raises, property owners taxes go up. Also, new regulations for property owners cause owners to spend money to adhere. Maintenance is very expensive. Replacing a roof, heater, etc. adds to the costs of ownerships. These are costs many tenants could not afford, the landlord pays these. I am also shocked at the cost of rents. Many, like me, are bailing out of landholding because of the liabilities and costs of ownerships. Corporations are now buying up these rentals and rents are sky rocketing. Its ugly and I am sorry for this state we are all in.
My question is, what if someone becomes homeless because of govt policy ie inflation, rise in cost of living? What are they gonna do, arrest everyone?
Churches used to have hospice christ like generous hand up
@@richardcalderwood9250 Then the government took that money and spent it on other things.
@@richardcalderwood9250 part of the court arguments are about compelled religious activity in order to get shelter
You asked, "what if someone becomes homeless because of govt policy ie inflation, rise in cost of living?"
Well, right now, the only government policies that contribute to homelessness is a lack of social safetynet due to NOT TAXING BILLIONAIRES APPROPRIATELY.
My town used to have a 1year wait for renter's assistance for those who are disabled. Now the wait is 5 years.
And yet, we know that corporations have been buying up House properties to rent or vacation-rent, and corporations have been colluding to raise price on rental units in apartment buildings.
In the meantime, since Covid, the executives of several multi-billion-dollar companies have been caught gleefully bragging about using "inflation" to raise prices and reap RECORD PROFITS.
Again, it seems the only "government policy" that needs to be adjusted is regulating the housing market and punishing bad actors.
This is SICKONING that they are even considering this
Why don’t they build public restrooms…people have no choice if they are homeless and have no toilet access.
Have you seen a public toilet in a homeless area? Please do a little research.
@@bubbajones4522
Provide bathrooms or have them go on the street? Its a choice, which one do you prefer (choosing neither isn't an option). Almost everyone will relieve themselves before they die. It is a part of life.
@@itsmemailingyou4234 Everywhere where bathrooms are provided for drug addicts, the mentally ill and criminals these facilities are abused. The only bathrooms they should be provided are in their respective institutions. They should not be in public preying on society.
I'm pretty sure there shouldn't be a public restroom in the "no entry" area under the highway.
@@bubbajones4522 pretty simple put the cleaning supplies and tell them actions have consequences. We gave you a restroom and cleaning supplies. If you do not keep it clean then it will be destroyed and you will no longer have it.
Wow. So criminalize sleeping so we can manage them in jail cells? Awesome.
yeah. Because the prison industrial complex makes a lot more money for billionaire donors then social housing programmes would.
Yep. Do you not understand that?
Look at who is profiting from building more prisons as opposed to helping people.
Not the justices.
California has one of the largest homeless populations. Also California is "home" to the largest number of "non profits" that serve the homeless community. Some of their directors take home $500k a year. Homelessness will not be solved so long as it remains profitable.
How do you help drug addicts who refuse to work?
Most importantly, look at the salaries of the people in charge of solving homelessness. They have a direct incentive to keep homelessness flourishing
Prisons are privately owned and I think they encourage law enforcement to send people to jail.
We can give 60B to Ukraine but we can’t build public bathrooms and shelters
That's your foreign policy for you! 🤦
Yep, they care more about everybody else and their boarders rather than our own. It seems pretty simple to me, if i were to have extra resources then perhaps I help foreigners to myself and my family. If i don't have extra, family comes first.
this
We can do both.
Our elected govt officials choose to only do one, and not the other.
@@mustypipes6602 Who is "they"? The feds? You want the Federal Government to fund homeless shelters?
Why do cities still outlaw sharing domiciles with unrelated people? Why do cities require building enormous (>3,000 sq. ft.) new homes? Why do cities limit options for housing, e.g. tiny homes, apartments, etc?
Why was that so hard for this woman to state that just EXISTING in your own country houseless IS NOT A CRIME UNDER THE EIGHT AMENDMENT ?? WTH Is wrong with that woman?
Because the Eight amendment says nothing about homelessness. Nothing, zilch, nada. Have you ever read the eighth amendment?
@@DonaldMains Because the eighth amendment says nothing about anything other than bail, fines and punishment. The quite sensible argument that the City cannot bring itself to is recognize is that punishing the STATUS of homelessness is unconstitutionally cruel.
They want slaves. Start with the poor and disadvantaged and work your way up as AI takes over.
She's a modern day American Christian.
You dont need a constitutional amendment to know to not shit in the streets!
This lawyer is arguing that homelessness is a crime and you need to pay fines and be put in jail.
No, she is trying to water down your rights under the 8th amendment. They are doing this for several of your rights in addition to the 8th.
How could they levy fines against people unable to afford a home? That's just crazy!
Oh the private prison business is booming. Slave labor never went away in the USA.
Prison is no place for mental illness or drug addiction prison is for criminals
Blackrock wins! Head or tails,you loose.increasing unaffordable housing,plus high taxation,causes homelessness,then soaring real estate ' speculation ' on Wall St ,blackrock own the property,then when one is imprisoned in a prison that's privatized , that s owned by blackrock...win win.
"People are dying in encampments" - so the first step is to make it illegal to sleep outside?? All the issues of homelessness: disease, drug use, public urination and defecation, etc. are to be addressed now by making homelessness illegal? What kind of logic is this?
does this make the homeless illegals illegal?
@@HimAgain70 what does that have to do with this case? what does that have to do with this comment? is your only concern in life making sure a demographic of people gets punishment?
It's not logic, it's plain old stupidity.
@@HimAgain70 do you have the ability to critically think?
If these laws would really make it impossible to sleep outside then there would indeed be issue but it takes little effort to sleep in a hidden space.
So we can't have our tax dollars go to re-habilitating homeless people and re-integrating them into society... but we CAN have our tax dollars go to getting them into the system where they'll be forced to work for literal pennies a day? AND we still have to pay for it with our tax dollars?? Make it make sense
If you smoke republican pole, it'll make perfect sense
It’s called ⚪️supremacy
WHERE'S the money from the big PharmX settlements for every state for drug rehabilitation? ZERO of it has gone to the drug rehab programs. It's kleptocracy. Pubishing the poor, instead of investing in affordable housing, renovating old houses for rehab centers and homes, and/or increasing the min wage. Sinful.
It's modern-day slavery.
@@pilotnamealreadytaken6035
It's no longer republican vs democrats.. Its we the people vs the uniparty..
None on either side are doing what's good for the citizenry, only laundering our tax dollars in a constant circle jerk in which the end game is it all ends up in their pockets... Stop the division, and unite.
All the elite ring class has zero care for who or what you support, they only want you under their thumb and all your wealth!!
How can laws be made if there is no way made available to comply? It’s not reasonable nor moral.
She really said, "Cities are being forced to cede all of their public spaces," as if they have lost a war against the sovereign nation of the homeless and are giving away territory as part of a peace treaty. It's crazy enough to think that, but to say it out loud while being recorded in front of the Supreme Court is astonishing.
How do I keep from laughing at her incredible mind-twist, and you're right, how on earth did this case ever get to the U.S. Supreme Court?? This would make a great SNL comedic skit -- maybe they've done it already.
Very funny!
I don’t think you understand what will happen long term unless something is done. Cities have open spaces for the enjoyment of their citizens. That is why people vote to tax themselves to create the open spaces. Remove the utility from the paying citizens, and they will no longer pay. There will be no public open spaces. Private spaces, sure.
Except that it's actually true.
That you don't understand the growing piles of people in San Fransisco and Oregon is baffling. That is exactly was has happened. It's not hyperbole.
Having to make laws that punish someone that’s homeless is a true sign that our systems need to be changed in some ways. What those changes should be is a difficult question, but we need to figure it out.
Lets give as much money and attention to this issue as we do Israel and the Ukraine. Our corporations aren't paying enough for people to live.
they are trying to criminalize homelessness. after the same forces help make these people homeless, now they want to punish them. meanwhile over 13% of our homeless happen to be military veterans. what a great way of showing your love and compassion for those who suffered already for your country, than punishing them after failing to give them the national medical attention they deserved.
Amen.
Then it’s the VA’s fault
@@gm3674 and the VA is part of WHAT government? Ours!
No, they are not trying to criminalize homelessness. They are trying to restore order by preventing anyone to just take over a public space for their own use and abuse. If someone is enabled to just sleep/camp anywhere anytime, there's no need for anyone to work or take personal responsibility.
@@rbwirth12except living better 😂
How about we quit giving all of our money away and put people back to work and start being kind to one another and lift one another up?
Sounds good. The genuine question I have is: how do you address the homeless that are homeless due to drug addiction and/or mental illness? Personally I am skeptical that just giving folks things is going to solve this. I've known too many drug addicts that are black holes for your generosity. Please understand that I'm not trying to be snarky or mean or argumentative; it's a genuine question. It's something I wrestle with. Are people going to straighten out if they have a free apartment? And what about the mentally ill?
@@nickmasters8474 I agree. Your realistic
@@nickmasters8474 People can’t do anything if they are not housed. I’m not a fan of throwing money at a problem either, but unless we enact a public housing program or heavily subsidize rent, this problem will persist and get worse as housing and medical costs grow rapidly. I
@@Jack_Simpson I agree with you that housing is a top tier issue of our country. But I think the popular trend of seeing the housing shortage as a problem of capitalism is wrong (not that you are saying this, mind you). The problem, as I understand it, is one of overly restrictive zoning regulations. NIMBY folks (Not In My Back Yard) push restrictive zoning laws intentionally to constrain the supply of housing, so that the value of their homes does not go down. That has to be done away with. On the other hand, popular ideas like rent control are horrible, and will have exactly the opposite of the intended effect; no one wants to work for free, and if you take profit out of building and maintaining homes, homes will not be built or maintained.
I'm all for society prioritizing affordable housing.
That said, I tend to think that just giving drug addicts a home is not going to solve anything. Degenerate folks are known for pulling everyone down with them. I am not in favor of providing free housing to folks who are going to destroy it and continue on in their degenerate ways anyway, which I think is probably a likely outcome. I'd love to be wrong.
@@nickmasters8474 I agree with most of what you are saying. Most houses being I built are more expensive than any working class person can afford and a lot of government programs serve to look good in the short term, not address the long term issue. I will say though that if you are homeless, you’re pretty much doomed to be a degenerate as those circumstances, much like prison will reshape most normal people into a moment to moment survivalist, not a long term thinker and planner. I’ve had students who were homeless and it really takes an extraordinary individual to rise out of those circumstances on their own. We probably don’t agree on this, but I do think some form of housing should be a right like public education. Not saying you should give every guy on the street a mansion, but we have to get away from the idea that a homeless person can fix their circumstances through strength of character or hard work because that’s just not how it works.
The government is not a charity. Public spaces are not bedrooms. Wanna help people? Come and volunteer at the soup kitchen and shelter. We always need more helpful hands.
There's not enough mental facilities. My schizophrenic and bi polar daughter asked for help one time. We were told in the interest state of Washington there were 3 beds and her medicaid insurance would hot cover. Give these humans help. We have no debtors laws. May those pushing this law ,shame on you.
Great thanks, abandon your daughter and make the rest of us pay for it.
Impressive how many experts in homeless psychology there are who've never had the spine to make eye contact with a homeless person.
I agree. I went to our local food pantry today. It had to be moved into a parking garage recently. A well dressed man pulled in and parked. He started to walk past me and I smiled and said good morning. He refused to acknowledge me an looked at his feet as he walked away. I'm not homeless but do need help once in a while. I'm cleaned and dint look homeless but his attitude was clear. He didn't see me as someone who would even acknowledge my presence. He wasn't hostile but he clearly saw himself as someone who did not even need to be polite to. The others in line saw this interaction and all put their down. I knew how they felt. How sad is this.
Why do you require special smiles all the time. People who work are busy and most likely don't even notice you. They are on their way to work.@@DMAC1301
@@DMAC1301
If you got food, quit bitching...
@@ketanjibrownsfavemolester7592 We get it, you're used to not getting eye contact.
I have only met grifters in person and all of them should be in jail.
dang Amy Coney Barret is good, that other lawyer couldn't keep up.
Judge Barrett, picked the argument apart. If you are homeless and they fine you, how in the hell do they expect to get paid. Sending a you jail sure isn't going to help much. How about giving the homeless those same benefits the illegal Americans(being most are from an American continent, which gives them the right to the classification to American) are getting first?
Taxpayer dollars should be used on US citizens instead of being sent overseas
And the punishment? Jail and forced labor while having medical needs denied?
Since we've given up the idea of State custody of the mentally infirm who cannot care for themselves, what cities have been doing is using vagrancy laws to intake people into the system. In an ideal world this would lead into the type of mental care system the Left *dismantled* in the 1970s in which people would be evaluated, entered into treatment, rehab and community connections -- and some people may just need lifetime care. To put the costs into context, of we spent just half the money we've spent on the Ukraine War we could give EVERY homeless person in the US a year of in-patient mental healthcare and treatment -- nobody on the Street. The real costs would be lower since many of the homeless could become self-sufficient with counselling, rehab therapy and connection into the community (which includes jobs). Of course community connection for jobs becomes more difficult since many entry level service jobs that put you one step up on the economic career ladder have been taken by the large illegal alien population...
I have no problem with making them work to pay for their expenses if the local municipalities are forced to take care of them. The ones that are physically capable of working but don't agree to that are just generic bums, addicts or lazy.
Welcome to Capitalism!
There is no forced labor they just sit in jail and rot
If you mean their desired for illegal drugs, hell yes.
As a child when I imagined the future, I wasn’t imagining the shanty towns of Hooverville. I hope we can get our 💩 together as a country someday. We can and should do a better job of taking care of our most vulnerable.
Everyone on this planet has a right to be cared for
By someone else?
@@walte153yes. everyone who is part of society is under an unwritten contract that their basic necessities as humans will be met. everyone, including you, has benefited from society in one way or another. stop being selfish.
No they do not.
@@andre.moonlight thanks. I agree with you
@@andre.moonlight No one on this planet is obligated to obey your made-up "unwritten contract." Rights are inextricably tied to responsibilities. Taxpayers should not be forced to cede our public spaces that we have worked and paid for. Working people are tired of having wealthy elites telling us from their gated communities with private country clubs that we can't use our parks and school gyms.
So it would be a crime to be homeless, how does a homeless person avoid that status then, not everything is due to being lazy, and why would a person choose to be homeless even if they were lazy. So kick them out of your town to some no man's land, or put them in prison (for being homeless, whatcha in for bud? I was homeless so they put me in prison) Interesting view.
Well, maybe move in with somebody else. Maybe figure out how to live. How to avoid being homeless? Get a job, be a responsible adult.
Unless you want to concede that homelessness actually is a drug/mental illness problem (which it mostly is). In which case, you deal with the drug addiction, or you deal with the mental illness.
If you build it they will come.
Incredible Tiny Homes.
Expect to get more of what you subsidize.
@@mississippichris Even more entitlements. They'll burn everything down when it decreases. In other words, give MORE, in perpetuity.
The need for this court case in of itself is horrible. Let's find real ways to take care of homelessness in America. We have the land, the supplies,the job market, everything necessary to make this right. NO, governments, you will not make money on a project that addresses this issue.
Why do you think a way to take care of them exist? Because it doesn't. There's no cure for mental illness and the treatments barely work for some people.
In the richest country in the world there shouldn’t be any homeless
Everything is interconnected
When a small minority have so much wealth and many people don’t even have the basic needs
The system needs to change
the solution is simple. Cities with a homeless problem should set up "tent cities" for the homeless somewhere away from the places in dispute. These tent cities would be better than what the homeless endure now. Then criminalize / penalize homeless camping in public places. Don't penalize being poor but don't incentivize it either.
Use old shipping containers as mini homes for the homeless let humans live with dignity it's a disgrace in this day and age everyone should have the right to food, water and shelter
@@yatesy117I concur, thank you 🌹❤️
was homeless shelter a thought in that brain of yours? maybe low-income housing projects? you really think tent cities away from the "public" is a humane and good idea? thats not solving anything
@@yatesy117 I think you're confused what a right is
Begging for change from people too cowardly to make eye contact when they say no is such a great incentive.
Trying to get her to agree to a common sense statement was harder than pulling teeth!
ACB’s lines of questioning has been impressive on this. She is approaching this from what I can tell from a very Christian standpoint
So if the police arrest homeless people for living on the street and go to jail, where are we going to put them? We have an overcrowding issue in jails and prisons as it is.
So are you suggesting that homeless people do not have rights Ms Grants Pass attorney??
God forbid that (federal income*) taxpayers have rights *EDIT
Right? We are forced to pay for all these failed policies. I've thought about just throwing in the towel & living off the teet myself. Why not?
I agree and since Trump and big corporations don't pay taxes, they should have no rights.
😂😂😂 Trump pays plenty of taxes. You liberals need to give that lie up. 👍 do better!!
@@dirtydish6642 tds 😂 blonald blumph made homelessness 😂
The homeless don't pay taxes.
A large community group sleeping tent is a good solution for some homeless but it doesn't address the mental issues that many homeless people face. Such as former abuses of various kinds, drug use, alcohol use, shoplifting crimes, anti social attitudes, many are not employable.
Not to mention the violence that would happen at the large tents.
You're right. How is a homeless person supposed to get a job without an address that employers require. ugh
People that are perpetually homeless choose to be so. There is no shortage of shelters; but shelters don't allow drugs or drinking so people will choose to sleep outside and get high rather than make positive changes. Addiction is awful
I’m glad the city of Grants Pass is wasting all this money.
Amy Coney is no joke she’s so sharp
I like that there's still somewhere in government that the official in power (Supreme Court Justice) can compel a witness (the lawyer) to give a straight yes-or-no answer.
yes what defines HOMELESSNESS - what if your name isn't on a document to prove you are or are not?
Here in Hawaii, the homeless are everywhere. It's a huge problem 😢
Yeah, but if a fella HAS to be homeless, I can’t think of a nicer place!!!
Homelessness is everywhere.
@user-mj6zr5gh7s I was homeless as a kid, in The South Bronx! I'd have given anything to have been homeless in Hawaii 😂
It's in any big city.
It's alright dude, at least one of us caught the joke.
So all the European pilgrims whom lived in tents when they arrived, the pioneers lived in their wagons and created sod homes, the ones that made it to san fran, picts at any library has vast white tents, every city, town, village in the United States grew from tents, now due to bad policies, our civil Gov has forced us into such poverty, that we have 100s of 1000s of our fellows living.....in tents.😢
It's disgusting that we could house and care for all these people if our overlords didn't send hundreds of billions to other countries and wars.
Providing treatment for drug addiction and mental illness give them a place to stay and treatment , jobless families need help and given a place to stay and job training Solved the problem jail and fines are not the answer
Now for the magic trick, come up with a solution that doesn't involve spending any money. This city doesn't want to help the homeless they are trying to force them to go somewhere else. That is their cheap solution.
Make America great again that will create jobs and less homeless.
That's what we were asking for during the Republican administrations as well, please don't forget that.
"If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn't help the poor, either we have to pretend that Jesus was just as selfish as we are, or we've got to acknowledge that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy without condition and then admit that we just don't want to do it."
I'm for helping the poor. But it's a complicated thing. You want to be sure that your "help" is genuinely helping. I don't want to help people by making theft virtually legal. I don't want to help people by buying them drugs. I don't think merely giving people things is necessarily good help. You want lasting solutions, not feel good solutions.
The biggest thing I can get behind is making housing cheap by vastly increasing the supply of housing. To do this will require relaxing zoning restrictions.
But I'm intensely skeptical of just giving people free stuff. I think a lot of folks are very naive about how people can behave with free things. I remember my uncle and his GF winning about half a million in a court settlement in the 90's - his baby had died from fetal alcohol syndrome and they sued the hospital (uncle and his GF were hardcore alcoholics and drug users, so of course their baby was born a wreck). They blew through that half mil in about 10 years partying like there was no tomorrow. Uncle died at age 50, in poverty (he looked somewhat like the Cryptkeeper from Tales From The Crypt; a skeleton). I'm not a fan of enabling degenerate folks. Helping, yes... but the question is... how?
The politically governing authority Jesus lived his whole life under was the Empire of Rome. Please tell me what, exactly, did Jesus expect the Roman government to do for the poor? What did he ever ask Rome for? Anything?
How did our personal moral responsibility become the responsibility of government?
Christians have a moral obligation to help the poor and the homeless. What does that have to do with government?
Shifting the personal responsibility of charity to the responsibility of government is the fork in the road where we took the wrong turn.
The place where homelessness exists is the same place where the solutions will be found: local communities.
Start up national programs and solutions and we'll wind up with a huge bureaucracy to implement and monitor them (if they are as good at monitoring as some other agencies, we'll see the headline, "Billions Unaccounted For") ending with another "commission", "agency" or other alphabet entity under Health and Human Services, or Homeland Security, resulting in billions being spent on salaries, office supplies, communications, office furniture, vehicles, personal and commercial travel, executive travel on private government jets, organizational meetings in exotic places (no group meetings at the Holiday Inn, but at The Hilton), firearms and ammunition (the latest agency trend), and BONUSES (yep. Some government agencies pay executive bonuses). I suppose the biggest bonuses will be paid to those who create the most homeless.
Our several "czars" are just a step away from becoming cabinet level. "The Secretary of Homelessness," I can just hear it now.
You get more of what you subsidize.
If you love an alcoholic you do not give them free alcohol.
Remember when the liberals absolutely flipped out and poked fun at Trump for suggesting tent cities outside of city limits.?
Taking the homeless out of public areas and moving them to distant tent cities away from public areas would deprive them of what little revenue they have. They'd become completely dependent on government support for survival. It would take a large amount of federal funds to do it right. Do it wrong ( or on the cheap ) and these tent cities become unsanitary, dangerous, open air prisons. ( Trump's plan did involve arresting homeless and giving them the choice of the tent city or actual prison )
Even though the idea is not without some merit knowing Republicans and their adverse reaction to raising taxes and their stated goal to cut social programs not make new ones they'd probably cut corners and screw it up.
The solution to this is to elect the homeless. I have a good feeling that they would be vastly better at representing the rest of us than our current "representatives". Arming the homeless is another excellent idea.
Bold thinking! Unique solution! Thank you!
Awesome idea!!
People who can't manage their own lives without emisserating their neighbors should manage society... right.
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Thank you for addressing this.
Working in a hospital. The wait list are high. Fines will do nothing to fix the problem.
The Homeless Industrial Complex will ensure that the issue never be solved. The reality is that more and more cities will become unlivable for the "normal" people who want a quality standard of life. So, such people will flee from cities ... and they will flee from the states that have all of these third-world cities. Eventually, there will no longer be enough tax money for some states to exist because all the earners will have departed.
How much you want to bet that they say: "No bread? Let them eat cake then!!"
Who in thier right mind would choose to live, HOMELESS???
Nobody.
We have been working with homeless since 2012. We have housed over 200 homeless men, women and children. A few of the them could not handle living in an apartment and moved back to living into their tents. One man would sleep in his car while living in his apartment. 😢
Well I mean, most homeless are seriously mentally ill, so... people who aren't in their right mind.
Are you kidding me? You think I choose to be homeless out here in America had no choice I'm an elderly man on limited social security income that is not near enough for a shit hole apartment.
@@jamesoberlin9095 I understand.
KEEP FUCKING WITH PEOPLE!!!! See what kind of power you truly have!!!
Being Homeless is not nor should it ever should be .
Sounds like we need more people here. Open the border and have more people.
The only thing that will cure the homeless problem is HOUSING (Finland cured homelessness with housing). We need a national policy for housing with subsidized rents).
That doesn't mean jails, or tent encampments.
Who is paying for that? I not only pay my taxes, but I pay full price for my home. Why in the world should I have to pay more taxes so some crackhead can live next to me for free?
I have worked with excellent agencies who help the derelicts who live on the street. They are not there because rent is too high. When rents are high, lower income peopel move to
less expensive locations, they don't pitch a tent in Central Park, New York.
These agencies have decades of experience and they have real successes in many cases. However, they know that the "homeless" problem is two-fold. Most of the people living on the street are either serious. end-stage drug or alcohol addicts or severely mentally ill.
We need to open up humane mental institutions for people who suffer from severe, untreatable mental illness. We need to re-criminalize drug possession, so that the Courts have leverage to order people into rehab. If you provide housing to people who have not been fully rehabilitated, they will continue their squalid life with drugs and mental illness, it will just be indoors.
Finland is not the U.S. Those who abuse the welfare system would overrun the Americans actually in need of housing.
Do you not know what Section 8 Housing is? We already have a "national policy for housing with subsidized rents." By your logic, full-time employed, productive workers who show up to their jobs every day are homeless. I promise you that isn't the case. People who are capable of making the choice to work and earn steady income are not generally homeless. Homelessness is a symptom of much larger issues, typically mental illness and substance abuse. Solve that and you'll solve homelessness. And if we could have done it already, we would have.
Sending someone to prison, or jail, for being homeless is cruel an unusual punishment, there's no debate, it's a violation of their 14th Amendment Right, where they shall not be deprived, life, liberty, or property, public domain is property, and they as USA citizens are being denied access to the public, an it's premeditated slavery, especially when they may be a veteran, an, or citizen who wants to live off of the grid, they're going through a divorce, they just turned 18 and got kicked out, their house burnt down, or whatever case it may be, homeless people are more than the mentally ill, or drug addicts. This unconstitutional legislation being discussed needs to end, and people need to recognize that their local law enforcement are lazy, and whatever you do to the homeless, you do to yourself, as Florida has done, and the residents of Florida need government approval an to be investigated and prove your a home owner which is a violation of the 4th Amendment, to camp, an, or sleep outside, even in your car, camper, an, or RV, not to mention interrupting a federal investigation with a drug bust, or trying to find a missing child, or whatever in a homeless encampment(s) because homeless people are not immune to public indecency, an, or defecation in it's form, littering, an, or obstructing traffic, which sidewalks would be foot, and bicycle traffic, an, or other laws they may violate a State, or Federal level, that they can recieve a ticket for, nor are these people trying to illegally live in your homes, as some do. It's also against the 2nd Amendment because being homeless and not having the basic necessities of human life, and wanting throw them into prison isn't a well regulated Militia, and they're being denied their 5th amendment and just compensation for being denied access to the public.
JFC please learn to use a period.
@@bubbajones4522 , 😂🤣😂, easy grammar police, easy. 😂🤣😂
@@MatthewNGolding I tried to read it but it but gave up out of frustration.
If you screw off in your life so badly that you cannot find a job in America then you belong in jail.
@@shannonbarber6161 , you can't get a job if your license was lost, stolen, an, or, out of date. Also if your house burns down, just turned 18, returned from combat, etc an if you don't have an address you can't get any government assistance, a shelter ISN'T a permanent residence and can't be used, a post office box costs money, also, 55% of USA citizen can't afford an unexpected 400$ an are one paycheck away from being homeless, an again this is proposed legislation is unconstitutional on so many levels, and some people CHOOSE to be homeless, outside of the unlimited variable life throws at individuals to cause them to be homeless. The homeless issue problem falls on the police, and not the Supreme Court of the USA, because the police allowed the litter to pile up, they allowed the open air drug distribution and use, and they allowed so many other crimes that a homeless person can actually be charged with to ensure a safe community. Also keeping someone in jail, which would be indefinite slavery, because they're homeless and not going to have a home at all, and costs tax money to keep them incarnated. Again, stop talking on matters you don't understand, nor have experienced in your life, because karma is real, an you reap what you sow. The SCOTUS needs to end this proposed clown shown of legislation, an at the end of the day the homeless can be protesters as well, protesting being homeless, there's really NOTHING you can do to homeless people without doing to yourself due to violating the USA Constitution
Affordable housing is the answer
FREEDOM FOR EVERYBODY
The politicians in California have allowed this in their state! Gavin needs to figure it out not the SOTUS.
Defending Oregons problems the California way.... Perfect.......
Gavin went to Supreme Court because 9th circuit said government can’t remove homeless person off the street unless government has shelter ready.
Read some news, get some facts before posting comments.
Maybe stop air BnB, digital nomads, add rent control, and stop corporate home ownership.
Rent control is exactly what you don't want. Think about it: would you work for free? Why not? If you don't want to work for free, why do you want people to build and maintain homes for free? Because when you bring up rent control, that's really what you are pushing for. You are saying "I don't think home builders and land lords deserve to make money." And you can say that. If you enact it, what do you think will happen? Would you continue doing your job for free, or with significant pay cut? Let's say you are a land lord: would you want to fix your rental property if you knew you couldn't recoup the cost? Let's say you are a home builder: do you want to build a home that you can't make money on? It's been said that rent control is about the next worst thing to just dropping a bomb on a city.
The one thing I didn't see you mention is this: zoning rules. The problem is simple: housing is expensive because there isn't enough of it. None of the policies you are talking about have anything to do with the housing supply, and none of the stuff you mentioned does anything to increase the housing supply (the opposite, actually, especially via rent control). If you increase the supply of housing, the cost of homes will go down. So the question is, why are we not adding more housing? Answer: zoning laws are too restrictive. Why? People don't want new housing and new people in their back yard (Not In My Back Yard - NIMBY). They don't want their traffic to go up. They don't want "undesirable people" living close by. And they don't want the value of their home to go down (more housing = cheaper housing = your house is worth less). So they use the power of government to make it impossible to add enough housing. This is why the cost of a home has skyrocketed in the last 10 years. It's not corporate greed. It's not AirBNB. It's not a lack of rent control. It's simple supply and demand: if supply is constrained, housing becomes more expensive.
It's popular to blame capitalism for all problems, but this is a case where capitalism is the solution, and government (on behalf of NIMBYs) is the problem. It's a particularly vicious problem particularly in liberal hotspots, like San Francisco, so much so that even the New York Times put out a piece on liberal hypocrisy in relationship to the housing crisis (look it up on youtube - it's good). To be clear: I don't think it's a liberal problem; it's a problem of all homeowners who advocate for the value of their house at the expense of affordable housing for everyone else; plenty of conservatives are guilty too. But big picture, it's a problem of people using the government to constrain capitalism. Capitalism would love to build more homes... but it can't do it if it's not allowed to.
If a socialist like yourself understood economics you wouldn't be a socialist.
Socialism makes thing worse. If you add rent controls you end new construction. New York went bankrupt in the 70's implementing these asinine policies.
A drug addict should not qualify for publicly funded shelter. Let them pay for their own rehabilitation, not the public. There should be a time limit on staying at a shelter.
Everytime a homeless shelter opens but they require the individuals to not drink or do their drugs and enroll into a rehabilitation program……THEY REFUSE TO ENROLL….why? They do not want to give up their drugs
No If you're not a drug addict nor mentally ill. Why should you be subjected and forced to take treatment against your will. A court has to order that
@@jamesoberlin9095 , well employees in many companies in California mandated employees MUST RECEIVE the COVID vaccine or they will lose their jobs….courts sure didn’t seem to protect those employees
Redesign a couple of those military manufacturers to build for America -- like houses and accommodations for poor people. Maybe even hire them to help build and link with Jimmy Carter's Habitats for Humanity -- now, that's a President (the only modern-day one) who has actually done something and done it innovatively and vigoriously, for American people and their communities.
Funds to help homeless are massive…money is not the issue. The problem is that there is NO accountability for how that money is spent. There is a homeless industry that thrives on the status quo therefore nothing changes. It’s a travesty.
The lawyer refused to answer the question until she ran out of deliberate deviations. Justice Barrett gained my respect for her patience in this.
Providing services for folks who have no intention of getting clean and/or working is the problem at hand. Until cities realize this and accept it they will only add more to the streets. What will work is to remove those services and/or only provide a service if the individual works for the service prior to it being provided. And what I mean by removing services is no soup kitchens, food, shelter etc....remove it all and revoke a businesses license to operate unless they agree that an individual must work (X number of hours) prior to a service being provided.
SHUT DOWN THIS LAWYER TRYING TO CRIMINALIZE HOMELESSNESS. WE NEED AGENCIES TO CARE FOR OUR LESS FORTUNATE BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
I don't use drugs, I have a job, I pay for my own Healthcare, housing,electric ect. Why don't I have a right to be safe in a park or on the streets of my city? I believe if you are homeless, that is fine, but you should have to live in a designated place, not just anywhere you choose. Set up refugee camps( these are for displaced people all over the world.)
@@teresaodle857 corporations shipped the easy jobs overseas. they pocketed the profits and bought their 10th mansion while paying almost nothing in taxes, and yet the focus is on punishing our most needy-- the sick and hungry, our most vulnerable. Drug use is a symptom of a larger problem created by unregulated capitalism and an eroding of our worker rights. you think its just people being lazy? how many people have full time jobs while living in a car? foreign investment, domestic wallstreet, random landlords, they seize available housing and price these people out. they provide nothing, only leech off people who actually work for a living. We are going to find out the hard way that having too many leeches in our society will flip the whole board game and table over.
You do realize that most of the homeless have substance issues and mental health issues. A friend of mine had them camping on his street in Sacramento, defecating in his well kept front yard , climbing over his fence at night and stealing from his backyard shed.. I left his house one night and noticed a Cadillac SUV out there and he told , oh that silver one, that's the drug dealer.
He watched drug deals and prostitution carried on out of those tents. The city did nothing but come in about once a week and clean up their mountain of garbage, finally the business owners got them off the residential streets and sidewalks by installing large rocks in the grassy area between the sidewalk and gutter. After all this the agency that deals with the homeless leased the large office across the street from him and now their hanging around again
@@teresaodle857 You are right, there should be designated places. Except those places rarely exist. So, what's the point of giving the homeless the citations and threaten them with possible jail time when they have none of those places to be designated to? Or better yet, no space left in those designated spaces. Why should we criminalize severe misfortunes? Why should we make the criminals out of them, which in turn will make it harder for them to apply for the jobs? You don't sound like you are fine with homeless.
Maybe we use money toward US citizens instead of sending money overseas
Don’t hurt the poor for being poor wtf. There’s always a better way to help homeless than to criminalize for no reason!
What do you think should be done to solve the homeless problem?
@@nickmasters8474 criminalizing it doesn't solve the homeless problem.
What is your better method? maybe the effect of the law isn't so much to criminalize homelessness but to ensure that the homeless get the help they need. Like treatment for mental of addiction issues that many need but don't want. Maybe part of the law is to protect the rights of others who work who through the taxes pay for parks and schools that the homeless believe is theirs. Be truthful, how much real have you given to this very complex problem? You seem good at spitting out pithy statements that do nothing to solve the issue.
I bet you wouldn't say that if they're camped out on your lawn or in your neighborhood.
They often refuse shelter beds when available because they prefer to live on the street!
ACB is brilliant. An artist. I mean… my gosh.
The Homeless Industry is booming.
The disgusting corruption with globalization. There shouldn’t be any veterans sleeping on the street. None of them should be homeless. They should all have a place we owe them that.
I agree with you.
But, what does "globalization" have to do with anything?
My ex-husband is a vet who gets free housing. Post divorce, I struggled to provide for our children as a severely chronically ill person. I knew he would never pay a dime in child support regardless of what any court might rule, so I signed a mutual agreement. Of course, he never paid one cent to our agreement. Working in my condition only worsened, and permanently damaged my health. So, now, I am on permanent disability. My ex has a chronic drug addiction along with gambling. We struggled, while my ex was given a free apartment to continue his addictions. He never served in any war. He spent 3yrs in the army, and now the VA supports him completely. In the US, I would be homeless on SSID. I waited two yrs for a government subsidized apt. The monthly rent was $100 more than my income without utilities. Now, I live in a foreign country where I can rent an apartment, and afford to eat. I came here, because my son lives here with his family. A relative paid my airfare. It would be nice to be able to live in my own country instead of a place where I can barely communicate with anyone. I do study the language, but it's a very difficult language especially at my age. I know no one cares about personal stories, but there are countless situations that cannot all be easily put into a box. I do not oppose assisting vets, but not all vets fit into the same category. As an American, I do not think vets like my former husband should be given everything they need, so they can stop supporting their families to live a life completely free of any responsibility. He has no motivation to do anything worthwhile besides guitar and heroine, etc.
very large number of People across America own NO houses and are HOMELESS, when you have such a situation its very UNHUMAN and CRUEL to Take in Immigrants.
Americans must be the First Priority for the American Government.
and Americans must take care of our own Poor And Vulnerable People before sending Aid to others or Letting in Immigrants.
?????? How is it possible to be so out of touch with reality? When you make those pronouncements about not "letting" immigrants in, do you even have any idea what that actually looks like? Expecting law enforcement to always step in and solve social problems that offend your sensibilities? You think that's so simple? It's no wonder the police have become so jaded and angry; we expect them to be the fallback solution and then wonder what to do when the jails can't hold them all. That's called insanity.
When you see how they operate.. you see this as setting up the Americans to be taken away once the crash hits.. They're going to force Americans in jail.. and the illegals will get the homes.
Tell that to Washington. The Democrats all see Dem voters flooding the country. They want them to keep Democrats in power eternally. They don't care about Americans - they care about the Democratic Party staying in control.
Immigrants are not the problem. We have more empty homes than homeless people.
Two totally separate issues. Without assigning blame, homeless Americans were born here and grew up in the most prosperous country on the planet and have been unable to make their lives work. Many of them at this point are incapable of working for a variety of reasons, but I challenge anyone to identify a country where they would have had more advantages and opportunities for a better outcome.
Immigration is a different and multifaceted issue. We have legal immigration and illegal immigration. We have immigrants seeking low skilled jobs, high skilled jobs and some who will go on to create jobs as entrepreneurs - and frankly, we need all of that. I would like to see the border secured, but that needs to be coupled with opening up work visas because we're currently relying on a lot of low skilled labor from people who are working here illegally - that's just the fact of it. Again, you cannot simply assume homeless Americans are capable of taking up those jobs. And as far as high skilled laborers... that's a resource grab I'm always happy to make. Let's always make a point of bringing the best and brightest here and getting them on a pathway to citizenship. Once they're living here, they're working within in the same economic ecosystem and paying taxes like the rest of us and we should embrace that competition. It's good for us as a country.
"I'm just so concerned for the health of the homeless, so that's why we need to send them to jail!"
Thank God for the Supreme Court to help us keep whatever sanity our country has left!
I honestly thought ACB was a joke when she was picked by Trump…I was not a fan at all. But I will admit that I have been following and sometimes, like here, she has my attention and possible admiration.
Yeah how about that.
Any thoughts on Sotomayor?
I was homeless twice during my 26 years in NYC. It's about time the homeless stop being bullied by police and the rest of the establishment.
It's time for the homeless to stop destroying our parks and streets and waterways and vacant homes and safety and shopping carts
I was homeless at 7 years old in the south bronx NYC. A super called the cops on me for sleeping in a stairwell. They never asked me to leave or woke me up to order me to leave. The cop kicked me in the stomach and chest while I slept, then dragged me out like a POS. I'll never forget how I was treated
@@coonazz98 Somebody PLEASE think of the shopping carts 😭😭😭
@@Derp-flash-go-duuurI'm so sorry that happened to you. I hope things got better for you.
It's about time we tell them and show them how to be responsible and get a F'ing J O B!! And protect those shopping carts at all cost!! 😂😂😂😂
Take the 95 BILLION just passed by the Senate for wars in other countries & fund a place for the homeless to stay & help them get off!
Homelessness is NOT a - CRIME! It is NOT a personal CHOICE!
Just had a thought...
What's the Definition of Homelessness?
A person Opts to live in a RV & Travel w all correspondence done electronic, bank/ATM everywhere;
So no designated Address..PO box?
Does that also define Homeless?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ slippery slope
That was ACB's point.
From a historical perspective there's a dozen or so civility laws that were undo to "be kind to the poor" that just end up encouraging this level of irresponsibility. Once upon a time you could be arrested if you didn't have at least $5 on you and that would be $150 today. You were not allowed to go into the city, travel, et. al. as a broke pauper.
Once upon a time you had to own property in order to vote that way only people that had their shit together voted.
HomeLess get a BED NOT a House
Most homeless are hard core addicts and won't leave the streets or quit drugs. I know this for a fact, especially in Portland and Seattle.
STOP SENDING MONEY TO OTHER FUCKIN COUNTRIES!!!
Spend it on the homeless.
Wow doesn’t the constitution alway said you can not put people in jail without committing crimes seriously
I think the point is that they’re criminalizing existence.
@@rachels.8051 They are not criminalizing existence. They are criminalizing the destruction of our public spaces.
@@bubbajones4522 if you criminalize behavior that is necessary for human existence, you are criminalizing existence. This isn’t about destruction of public property - or people WITH homes would be arrested and jailed for littering or sleeping outdoors. They’re talking about criminalizing existing in a public space while poor. Where do you want these people to go? Jail, seems to be the answer. Fining and jailing people who are struggling is never going to fix homelessness. You’re just giving your resources to police and for-profit prisons to house and feed them instead of directly giving the homeless people the food and housing they need.
No where in the Constitution does it say we have to support people that made bad decisions in life. Not all, but almost all of the homeless I see in Florida have some sort of drug problem and don't seek help. They are the modern day hobos. There is help for them if they seek it. But again, not taxpayers responsibility to support them.
They are commiting crimes. Vagrancy, solicitation, drug and alcohol abuse, loitering, prostitution, trespassing to name a few.
I think this is ridiculous. Why is the US paying for people who have migrated here and cannot house their own people. Affordable housing needs to be available for US citizens. Many of us are paying more for everything. How is this acceptable?
Nobody mentioned migrants bro
@@TWE_2000 I did.
The price increases are primarily the consequence of the Biden admin COVID policies. Paying people $54k/yr to sit around at home for a year is not without blow-back such as $6 loaves of bread.
We can't she just say Yes to the hypothetical question the first time and save the court's time?
This is insane