Todd Talks - Bright vs. Gifted
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- Bright vs. Gifted - There are students who are bright and high achievers, there are students who are gifted, and there are students that are both. But we need to keep in mind not all gifted students are high achievers and not all bright students are gifted. Knowing the difference between these two can be very important in understanding how to teach these children. This Todd Talk discusses the major differences in these two as well as creative thinkers, and what you could be doing in the classroom to challenge each one of these.
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Gifted adult here. Unfortunately, I was an underachiever in high school. Thank you childhood trauma!
I'm 32 now and have just started to thrive. I can relate to a lot of what you've discussed in this video! Thanks!
Glad to hear you are starting to thrive now. Some never get there. I too was an underachiever in high school
I’m gifted and go into highschool this year. I think I’ll still overachieve because I thrive on doing well and feel my grades define my worth.
I'm exactly the same, except 31 years old. I did poorly in school as I learnt that doing well was not good for my social anxiety. Glad you are doing well.
My mate, try to find my comment in the comments section. I am 42 and hopefully my experience can boost your confidence in a better future. Just focus on what makes you happy. Use all you got and don't feel apologetic about your gifts. Strive, overcome, and make this world a better place for everyone around you. It might seem dificult, but as a gifted man, I am sure you are used to do impossible things. Follow your own 🌟
Same!! I was never understood, thus I was immediately labeled as a child who misbehaved, or “didn’t get it”, and didn’t do homework. When in reality I was shot down for my out of the box questions, where the teacher didn’t understand why I was asking that question, and basically laughed at. Meanwhile, I just needed to understand everything that surrounded the topic, who/what/when/where/how in order to fully grasp it. Once that was shot down, I would stop asking the question and completely dismiss that topic. I remember the fights with my mother when attempting an assignment I had zero interest or confidence in, because I was told I didn’t understand it. I physically could *not being myself to do the assignment. I genuinely could not even read the words about that boring topic. Yet, when a project or topic of high interest was given, I would stun all of the teachers and friends as well. I was even accused of having my mother do my project one year in grade school… meanwhile I took so much pride in that project, and work endlessly through the night to perfect it. After years of being misunderstood I completely shut down and wanted nothing to do with College. Unfortunately for me a bureaucratic degree was all that mattered for a viable career. Once I gained the confidence to go back to school, around 25 I shocked even myself. I just graduated last year from my now second degree of science, biomedical sciences specifically. Not just that, I was inducted into a National Society of Collegiate Scholars.
I will say, that studying in fast passed college was a nightmare! Because of my *need to know every single aspect of something, considerably in science, I would go down wormholes for each individual topic. That lead to falling a little behind in study time, and also this is very important. You had mentioned a lot that “gifted kids will just pass a test” and also “they ask extremely complex questions most cannot comprehend”. Well, when my college professor gives such brief explanation like study chapters 10-12-15- and 17 for our exam in one or two weeks. Or give study guides… well, of course I need to know every intricate detail about the function and purpose of everything, and thus spend all my time focusing on very advanced functions that I would actually get many questions *wrong on an exam because the question was too easy! And I would over complicate and overthink each question. Yet in my labs and on my essays or in my research, I would choose and master such advanced and creative topics that almost all of my papers were fascinating to my professors… yet my peers had absolutely no idea what I was talking about. You can’t say to a gifted adult (an informally diagnosed adult) “choose any topic of your choice in cutting edge science”.
So, in summary, not every gifted child passes exams, or ever does well on exams. There is a disconnect in many who over complicate what is being asked. Maybe alot of that also had to do with the anxiety I still face from being completely discouraged from learning via my “teachers” who never took the time to h defat and me.
This is the most theraputic video I have come across as it relates to my experience. I was told that I was gifted and everything here confirms it. I could write an essay but I won't. I can see now that this has been the source of many of my frustrations including my depression. I am crying right now! Thank you so much for sharing this knowledge. You have been a great help!
I was identified as gifted when I was a teenager. Ironically, it was due to my failing grades that I was assessed in the first place. This video describes me perfectly, and it's strange to hear some of the more specific aspects of my experience discussed by somebody other than myself.
It appears to me that "High Achievers" do well in school because the education system has been designed to cater to their needs. Put them in a different learning environment and they're going to struggle. Hopelessly.
Yes, unfortunately those that play the game of school will be more successful
IMO, It's because they are easier to teach in a structured environment and will learn what you want them to learn; they are more manageable. I see it in my kids; boy/girl twins but they couldn't be more different (or treated differently by the school). My daughter is your typical "bright" student, and the teachers love her as a result. I'm starting to think my son is in the gifted category. Never even considered it until very recently, but I think we are going to have to make some schooling changes for him, because what's going on now isn't working.
@@toddstanley7344 But kids are too young to really see the big picture in all of this and what happens to them good or bad can affect a lot.
Todd, I think she's saying that the game is rigged in favor of the more manageable, which is what the teacher calls High achiever.
Success in obedience and success in life look very different.
@@jimjob28please do it. I begged my parents to puts me in a projects oriented school, which didn't happen.
Very informative video. Thank you for sharing Todd.
Watching this video, I feel like I may be bright + gifted, although I have never been identified as gifted. Some of the things that make me think this:
-I asked a lot of questions, and sometimes even asked questions that I knew the answer too, but I thought asking the question could help my friend, who I could see struggling from across the room.
-When I was in school I recall saying stuff like, "I understand this, but... what about X." And also stuff like, "If that's true, does that mean Y is also true?" (Relating the current topics to lessons taught in the past or drawing a conclusion about something not addressed yet but where the teacher was headed with their lesson).
-I was also often attentive to teachers, but only when I was passionate about the topic or trusted the teacher enough to get to an interesting part, so I would try to help the class move along faster by participating.
-I hated when teachers would give filler assignments, like crossword vocab assignments. These assignments felt like a waste of my time and sometimes I would just not do them in order to do something more mentally stimulating.
- I preferred working alone always, if I could.
- I often felt like I wasn't doing enough because my classmates would talk about how much they studied for a test they struggled on, when I may have not even glanced at my notes. But then I would still get a high score. Sometimes I even considered that they were lying to act less smart and fit in with others.
- I would often play off my teachers sarcasm and occasionally probably took it too far, but wasn't too concerned because normally only the teacher and a few other students understood my jokes. (Except once I made a joke and my teacher explained it to my classmates, when I was really hoping nobody was going to catch it, except the people I had intended, as it has a low-grade insult laced in the joke).
-If a teacher was doing a lesson on something I was already knowledgeable about and it was a topic I enjoyed, I would sometimes want to jump out of my seat and start telling people about it myself. Or the opposite, the teacher begins teaching a lesson and I notice the lesson is outdated and it really bothers me. (For instance, I recall a presentation on the supreme court that had a picture with long retired or deceased justices).
- To this day, I still think a lot of the stuff people in my age group do is silly and not worth my time. This has gotten worse the more I learn, as I now often feel this way about people much older than me, too. I'm 23, by the way.
-I could keep going, but I will stop here or else no one may ever read this.
I like to read backward
I wish when I was in school my teachers were aware of this.
I wish that when I was in school that I was aware of this. lol
I have adhd, dyslexia, dyscalulia and am gifted. I had no need to take notes in most classes that didnt involve writing, due to dysgraphia my hand writing is quite bad and writing can be painful. I was able to absorb information especially if i was interested in it. An example would be when i took the year before's final exam in biology, as a way for the teachers to judge us in the first week of school, i received a 92 out of 100. I took the final that year and got a 99 due to a grammatical error on my part. English class and math were not my best due to the dyslexia and dyscalculia but i overcame that with out knowing i have it. I can speak several languages and am self taught.
Lmaoo me too
I ended up becoming usaf intelligence and now a developer . My handwriting I can’t read at all cuz it’s all over the place
Imagine how epic it would be if a gifted person trained themselves to work hard. Jesus christ.
I agree 😎
that would be top universities
I grew up in the 70s & 80s as an atypical gifted child. I was never recognized as such, though occasionally a teacher would risk pointing in that direction. I was the kid who was put out in the hall, or in a refrigerator box in the back of the room, in a 'pod' with the high achievers, or with my desk next to the teacher's facing the class... I was slow to develop socially, and did not catch up to my peers until age 16, when I rocketed ahead of everyone else. A bit too late; I graduated in the bottom 10% of my high school class.
I wonder what would have happened had I been born 10 years later.
They also really screwed my sister up by putting her in a gifted program with older children, high school kids. The movie "Gifted" shows what happens, too, if kids don't get a childhood, which is good for their brains, too. I think that it would have been better for her to have gone to a community college with a guardian in the class with her. She's adapted now... boy do I hate much of the upper classes and their genius idears.
What grade was she when she started a gifted class with high school kids? This sounds very unorthodox.
I'm none the wiser, relating to bits here and there with all three of them. Knowing a couple of born super-geniuses I know I am not one of them, and yet my mental space is close enough to theirs that we're friends and mostly bridge that gap.
I was never academically inclined but made up for it by being intelligent enough. I didn't care to learn, and didn't think much of knowledge, but would occasionally like to learn or look through any chapters except for the one we were supposed to learn in class...
I have awful long-term memory, but was excellent with memory games as a child.
I probably relate to the creative gift the least, but am highly intuitive and enjoy making new connections. I just don't like the brain-storming aspect of the creative learner, and tend to seek the simplest, silly abomination of a creation to amuse myself.
I lean towards something in between the bright and the gifted with a dash of creativity.
I have a gifted child and a bright child. This video is very accurate.
Any advice for a parent who is just now realizing that their 15 year old son's struggles in school might be because he may be gifted? I hadn't considered he may be gifted until very recently, and am broken up over how hard he has had it in school over the years. I'm considering sending him to a different school next year that may tailor their curriculum towards that type of learner, but where I live, options appear to be very limited. I just don't see a path forward staying where he is, though.
Has the school tested him ever for gifted? Different states have different policies but as a parent you should be able to request gifted testing.
@@thegiftedguy3374 They haven't. The guidance counselor suggested he be tested for...something, but didn't say what. I'm suspicious of their motives, however; because all of this has come up because of his poor classroom performance, and they have offered me no further information as to what they want to test him for, as yet. My fear is that they just want to slap the ADD label on him and put him on meds (I'm beginning to see that that is fairly common by the sound of things). I would feel far more comfortable seeking out testing on my own, apart of the school, but don't really know where to begin.
Coincidentally, his twin sister very much falls into the "bright" category. They've had teachers that didn't even realize they were related (much less twins), because they are so different academically, behaviorally, and in appearance. Not that my son misbehaves, but he does act very different form her in a classroom setting. Needless to say, school has been very frustrating for all of us over the years.
@@jimjob28 What state are you from? I can look into some independent testing for him
@@thegiftedguy3374 Pennsylvania. Bad part is, school choice is VERY limited where I live; semi-rural, not many options. Regardless of testing outcome, I would be happy to just find a small private school where he could get more 1 on 1 interaction with his teachers and maybe a more dynamic/interactive classroom environment. He is very much a "learn by doing" sort of person (physical learner); which has made this year especially difficult with all the virtual schooling.
(edit) Physical/logical learner. He has been asking questions beyond his age for many years now, and challenges answers when they don't make sense to him. Spelling in elementary school was a struggle because any word that wasn't spelled phonetically, he would ask about, and neither me nor my wife had satisfactory answers for him.
I very much appreciate your assistance.
@@jimjob28 youve got to get your son tested independently and send him to a school that suits him. Gifted kids will suffer otherwise. I have 2 gifted kids and its been a big challenge. A school for gifted kids was a godsend for me and them
What is the category of the child being asked and starts his/her answer by spelling out the subject and afterwards would continue giving out the answer to the question???
Interesting distinction between the 2 groups...difference between bright and gifted is more qualitative than quantitative.
The problem in school is that they put us all together. In elementary school, when kids are developing the most, they may go up or down IQ-wise. I have a disability, so I am forever the target. Plus, I don't learn at the same rate. If I succeed, many people become angry because they've been trained to believe that they are geniuses because I'm stupid. That's not how it works, but yeah. I also tend to go straight through things due to my concrete thinking and observations. I was always good at their little science fairs, designed catapults, rockets, protecting eggs because it's so simple. The parents who made the triangle guard for their kids' egg drop used the wrong materials for one thing. I drag in my crappy-looking catapult with magazine flowers on it and then managed to pass the class I was failing. :P. I lost all of my presentation points but won in all other areas. Even the kid who had her dad weld a spoon with measurements and leverage failed to make an accurate hit failed to match mine. Also, parents hated me for the attention I got in a room without windows that was probably some sort of storage room/closet or the aid. It's always unfair that I exist. That's another reason why they should separate us. All I am is a target or exploited for funds. Look at my life, inclusion has worked out for me...
over simplifications here!!! bright and gifted children have an incredible variation of attributes... anywhere from loners to life of the party...from ignoring daily life to be in their own world--Me! to being in everyone elses business... I had an IQ in the 130s, but was too distracted in school and abused at home to get good grades, or even want interaction with others... Once out on my own, I did ok in life... Now retired...
I laughed out loud when i read the yellow list.
Are there overlapping characteristics in between these types? (Especially creative and gifted).
Oh yes. That is kind of the point of the talk is that some students will have all of the characteristics. We have a lot of gifted students who also are identified in creative thinking
Absolutely there is overlap
First time hearing about creative thinkers and I feel that my weirdness can come from it. I might be one of those unusual thinker that is weird but I guess it is okay because I can manage things correctly anyway.
Yes but instead of calling it weird we usually call them quirks. Everyone has quirks. Some people are just better at hiding it than others
i am following the list, pretty sure I would mark 50/50 on each column. I guess am semi_ something EDIT: oh there you go, thats useful, creative learner
What age group are you talking about?
90-100
Does anybody else feel mentally abused by the supposed educational system? I would always stare into the wall crying on behalf of their stupidity❤ (and know everything)
Yeah, sure, yellow stands for courage and cowards when they see yellow snow. Who is the pure and who is tainted?
Gifted needs a different name. It’s not a gift for a lot of people. Society doesn’t like outliers. Not even “smart” ones. Public schools especially don’t serve gifted kids well.
Society likes benefits and freebies though. Bet you have no problem using daily inventions by those people you want to normalize.
Would comment on whether you have noticed any discrepancy in Empathy among those identified as Bright, Gifted, and/or Creative, and between these and others?
I believe myself to be a Gifted+Creative Adult, and invalidation- often ubiquitous, intense, and at times spiteful- has been the typical Societal response which my being different seems to elicit. Meanwhile, it strikes me that at the core of my Giftedness+Creativity is Empathy. I wonder how others may experience or think of this- a little more Empathy, and a lot more people may be able to tap into the creativity that is already inside of them (or at least that is how I tend to view Creativity).