DUNE (2021)....Is A Masterpiece!!! | First Time Watching Movie Reaction
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- This was AMAZING!! The more I think about it the better it gets!
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Great reaction. For someone with no background of the story and lore of DUNE, you picked up pretty much everything with ease. Some people have complained about this movie being slow, but there is a lot of worldbuilding and groundlaying that has to take place since it's such a big and complex world. Part 2, which is coming Nov. 2023, should still maintain the interwoven alliances and political scheming, but there will also be a lot more action. It's possible that there will be a Dune pt. 3, but neither the director nor the studio have made any announcements yet.
Hell, there are six or seven books, literally thousands of pages of source material. Part 2 finishes the first book.
I wanted it about 30 minutes slower in the first half, to provide more details of the world, show off the minor characters some more so their deaths would be more impactful, and really hammer home just how scarce and important water is on Arrakis.
Denis Villeneuve definitely wants to make Part 3, covering the entire second book, and I hope he'll eventually decide or be persuaded to make the third book into a film as well, and hopefully even beyond that. I've heard he wants certain actors to age up a bit in real life before a Part 3. That was a concern I had too, so it sounds like he really wants to do these stories right, if he gets to do them.
Anyway, he's on board to do Rendezvous with Rama next after Dune Part 2, which I'm very hyped about. It's an Arthur C. Clarke book. I feel like Arrival was kind of his audition for it since it's another first contact story. So we got a bit of time before any decisions will be made. It will probably also depend on how well Part 2 does at the box office, so be sure to go see it multiple times and bring some friends to the theater when you do. These aren't Disney films, where the studio is willing to sign 9 movie contracts like it's nothing. Each one will have to prove itself before the next gets greenlit, but I think Denis Villeneuve has now proved he's up to the task.
This movie changed my life. Completely. I went to the theatre with no expectations at all but left mesmerised, in a trance like experience for weeks. I became obsessed with Dune, it’s story and started reading Dune books. It was the best movie experience I had in my life. The adult science fiction with complex story. I can’t wait to see Dune Part 2 in the theatre next year and I have full confidence in Mr Villeneavu that it will be the movie that changes science fiction forever 😉. Great review man. I watch all intellectual Dune reviews and you have to see Dune in IMAX the next year. Trust me, it will be a ride
It changed your life? wow. How old are you?
@@papalaz4444244 I’m 40 now buddy 😉. Reading is awesome because it runs on most powerful graphics card in the world and that is …our imagination
@@tomassali8870 Everything you have typed reads like a bad fanfic made up of memes. It doesn't sound like a real person.
@@papalaz4444244 Ok buddy. It’s up to you 😉.I just love Dune but of course you are entitled to your opinion. Have a nice day
@@tomassali8870 "Ok buddy" yeah.....
Yeah man, you got pretty much everything you were supposed to get from the movie, story/universe wise. The questions you have at the end, are the questions your meant to have and will be answered in part 2 for the most part. They definitely don't hold your hand an guide you through the backstory and intricacies of the universe due to how dense the world building in the book was. In fact it's so damn dense that everything you got in the film was actually pretty much the cliff-notes version, and even that is pretty overwhelming for some people to grasp what the fuck was going on in this movie. Glad you enjoyed it, i effin adored the books and thought this was a phenomenal adaptation. It's only the first half of the first book, and yet this still has become my favorite movie of all time.
Great reaction! The Emperor had to use the Harkonnens as a proxy because if he openly attacked a Great House (the Atreides) then all of the other Great Houses (known collectively as the Landsraad) would have retaliated. The Landsraad, just by sheer numbers, have the only fighting force that could challenge the Imperial Sardaukar. By using the Harkonnens he makes it look like it's part of an age old feud between two of the Great Houses instead. And while he does send some of the Imperial Sardaukar to fight along side the Harkonnens, his plan is to literally kill everyone and leave no witnesses (in the book they're disguised as Harkonnen soldiers, but that probably wouldn't play very well on screen).
No artificial satellites in orbit of Arrakis, so if you want to murder a whole Great House and not let the rest of the Imperium know how it happened, it's the perfect place to do it.
If the Emperor simply sent Sardaukar to Caladan, the conspiracy would get exposed rather easily. And besides, the Atreides had a lot of strength there. They had sea and air power. Send them to a desert planet, and they're out of their element. Attack them before they really have a chance to get established, and the Atreides go down. Plus, the Atreides never imagined the Harkonnen would send such a large force against them. They expected raids, not a full blown invasion. The cost of it was obscene, and nearly bankrupted the Harkonnen in the process.
Good on you for understanding the visions! Paul's visions are not meant to be always prophetic, but they always have a lesson that he needs. Also, you followed the plot quite well.
They are possible futures, not necessarily the future Paul will choose to have.
From my understanding they are more like predictions of advanced mentat skills than anything magical.
@@mrg0th1er83 Yes, exactly.
Dude, I love how you picked up on almost everything. For a non-book reader, you understood most of the complicated plot. I think the only two points you missed (or need more info on) are:
1. The shields can be penetrated if you go slow enough (i.e. Gurney saying the slow blade penetrates the shield).
2. The emperor had that elaborate plan (sending them to Arrakis instead of just attacking Caladan) for plausible deniability, so it won't be connected to him.
Which is why during The Siege the harkonnen & sardukar used bombs attached to devices to slowdown right before impact.
Plots within plots: a Dune staple.
Basically the Harkonnen are too rich, and the Atreides are too popular (plus, they have a small army that is trained to be almost as good as the Emperor's Sardaukar, if that army grew in size or the Atreides started training other Great Houses to the same level it would be a serious military threat). Pitting them against each other kills two birds with one stone.
First, the Harkonnens are removed from their main source of income, so they don't get richer.
Next, the Atreides are sent to Arrakis where the Harkonnen have sabotaged a lot of the equipment so the spice won't flow as well as it used to, meaning the Atreides will be blamed by all the other Great Houses depending on the the spice trade for their income (which is all of them), so the Atreides become less popular.
Then, because there are no satellites around Arrakis, the other Great Houses won't really know what actually happens there, when the Emperor and Harkonnen make their move. The official story can be whatever the conspirators want.
Finally, Emperor makes the Harkonnen pay for the whole cost of the invasion, including the transport costs of the Emperor's own troops, practically bankrupting the Harkonnen, and it's likely the Harkonnen will lose popularity as well over the subsequent spice disruptions while they have to rebuild all the infrastructure.
Whether or not the Duke Atreides or his heir live, the Atreides will be sufficiently disgraced and weakened to the point where they aren't a threat anymore.
The conspiracy was even more complicated in the book, with the Spacing Guild, Bene Gesserit, and other Great Houses getting mixed up in it in various ways. And the Atreides were also making some moves, such as attacks on Harkonnen spice reserves on Geidi Prime. All we really saw in the film was a bit of the Bene Gesserit angle, wanting to keep Jessica and Paul alive.
13:17 - The Bene Gesserit program had as its target the breeding of a person they labeled "Kwisatz Haderach," a term signifying "one who can be many places at once." "Do you bring the Shortening of the Way?" - Dr. Liet Kynes Love your reaction!
Awesome reaction! Welcome to the Dune Universe! 💙
"Bless the Maker and His water.
Bless the coming and going of Him.
May His passage cleanse the world.
May He keep the world for His people."
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Jamis was a strong fighter. There was a possible future in which Stillgar took the place of Paul in the duel, and Jamis killed Stillgar. Then, Jamis became leader of their tribe, and taught Paul how to be a Fremen, and the two of them became friends.
In the duel between Paul and Jamis, Paul had trouble killing Jamis several times, because he had the visions of the two of them as friends, and didn't want to kill his friend, a man who would teach him important skills. Another reason is given more explicitly: Paul has never had to kill. It's one thing to spar with Duncan or Gurney in training, and another to actually end somebody's life, and Paul is hesitant. But Paul is also used to fighting with shields, and with shields, the slow blade penetrates the shield, but the fast blade is deflected. In the desert, shields aren't used, the Fremen don't have them, and Paul isn't able to use one in the duel. If a shield is used in the desert, the sandworms go crazy and attack the wearer in a rage. So Jamis is fighting at full speed, Jamis doesn't slow down at the last instant to penetrate a shield. Paul, however, is fighting muscle memory, and all his training. He's slowing his attacks down at the last moment, giving Jamis a chance, and also giving Paul time to reconsider following through with the kill. The Fremen interpret this as Paul toying with Jamis, being cruel and dishonorable, but the reality is just a scared kid wrestling with some powerful demons.
Ultimately, Paul can only see two possible futures, once the duel begins: one where Paul lives, and one where Jamis lives. The possible future he saw of the two of them being friends is gone. He has a choice between his own survival, and the death of Jamis. Paul's choice to kill, and all that follows, leads to the outcomes in the rest of the saga. He chose survival for himself, and the universe changes. With all the spice in the air, his prescient ability is growing stronger, his visions are becoming clearer, but he's still just choosing what paths to go down, out of many possible futures. Most people would probably choose their own survival in the situation, but for Paul, he sees many of the consequences of his decisions, like a holy war consuming the known universe. It's all a bit more complicated for him.
The book and the mini-series Dune explain this world (universe) much better.. The Baron was in a Spice Bath to help him recover. If the emperor attacked, the houses would have revolted. But he used the feud between the houses to hide his plan.
Your genuine reaction with obviously no background to Dune is fascinating.
"Can you even really call them helicopters?"
They are actually refered to as Ornithopters, which is an aircraft that flies by flapping it's wings. A lot of things that arent really covered in this movie is the mandate to disallow thinking machines (for instance computers that would calculate safe passage through space, thus the need for human's to consume spice instead.), and that machinery replicates things found in nature.
Also, I noticed for some reason the translating subtitles are off for you. In quick succession you had two scenes you missed a little information: When they talk to Stilgar (spitting scene), he turns to Paul and says "I recognized you"; and the other when Paul says he just felt he put on the suit the proper way, she says "And he shall know your ways as if born to them." But they convey the scenes so well, you picked seemed to have up on it either way. Really the whole film you did really well, which makes me glad non-fans are taking this in so well. Really happy with Dennis' work on this film.
Yeah, I came here to mention ornithopters, too. I had a toy or ornithopter as a kid, a simple one, like flapping kite with a metal frame, cut in the shape of a robin. It was pretty fast and very unpredictable, except that it would always break something or knock things over if you wound it up and let it go inside the house.
Never think of Jessica or any of the Bene Gesserit as helpless. They are lethal in any position and any circumstance. One of the true great powers behind all thrones in this universe. Can I recommend the book. Maybe after you've seen the second movie when it comes out. I have a lot of favourite books that I reread from time to time like well worn comfortable slippers, I don't think that's unusual. You know you skip bits, sometimes you read the bits you love so fast because they are ingrained in your mind. I went back and read Dune a year or so ago, first time I'd read it in ages, although I've read it many times. I found it totally compelling, every word, every glorious piece of intrigue, every fight, every death, every beautifully crafted piece of background lore. I found myself re-reading it like it was the first time again. It's a truly groundbreaking piece of science fiction and an amazing piece of story telling.
It's the greatest scifi novel ever written.
Great reaction! For all the scenes where they speak foreign languages, rewatch them with the subtitles on and you'll get English translations. Nothing critical to the plot, but it provides insight into how the Fremen think - and how they think about Paul.
Languages are quite important in the Dune universe, and there's a great many being spoken, plus various sign languages. In the books there's also quite a lot of written codes. Every Great House has its "battle language" which soldiers and spies from other Great Houses don't know how to translate, and these come in spoken and signed varieties.
Jessica, with her Bene Gesserit training, knows a lot of languages, and can suss out a lot of cultural information from the Fremen based on the language and words they use.
The languages they use in this I believe are Mandarin, Arabic, and a form of sign language
The other language is Chsokosa, and the main language spoken is Galach (which we are seeing as English.)
Paul sees the future determined by action. It's fluid and changes. He can eventually see a pathway to specific future.
Your reaction is one of the best by far! You picked up on the details incredibly well, better than most. Can't wait to hear your thoughts on Part 2!
Great reaction! You understood a lot for a first timer. Second movie will be epic with Paul leading the Fremen against all.
but it has to be seen in theatre for full experience
Great reaction. You really paid attention to what was transpiring.
Side note: the worms cannot travel on rock.
You were good! You got a lot of it right on one time showing not knowing anything. I like how you asked the right questions, which were immediately answered by the movie a few minutes later. LOL.
Everyone describes him as "The Chosen One" but he's really just the "bioengineered one": a product of a Bene Gesserit breeding program they intend to control to control the known universe to a greater extent than they already do...
What will be interesting to see in what is to come is whether they'll actually be able to control what they've unleashed...
I’m going to go with.. nope they can’t 😂
"Dreams make good stories, but everything important happens when we're awake."
Fun Fact: This film sports a distinctly Arabic theme, in keeping with author Frank Herbert having used Islamic culture as an influence for his story.
Location Location Fact: The scenes on the ocean world of Caladan were shot in Stadlandet, Norway. Much of the desert scenes on the desert world of Arrakis were shot in Jordan and Abu Dhabi, in the Middle East.
Fan Filmmakers Fact: Composer Hans Zimmer is a big fan of the novel Dune, and turned down working with frequent collaborator Christopher Nolan on Tenet (2020) to score this film. For the same reason, Denis Villeneuve was the top choice but turned down the offer to direct the Bond film No Time To Die (2021).
I'm glad they both did that cause what they did is AMAZING!
Agreed.
Go in Peace and Walk with God. 😎 👍
The first attempted adaptation of the book, Dune (1984), is currently up on Tubi right now. It's hilarious terrible, but fun nevertheless.
I will address two points. First, the Duke and Lady Jessica are not married, although she is legitimized as the mother of his heir. By keeping her as his bound concubine instead of his wife, Duke Leto leaves the door open for an alliance by political marriage with one of the other Great Houses.
Second, the Kwisatz Haderach. The Spacing Guild uses quantum transposition to transport both cargo and passengers on their heighliners. The Guild Navigators have spent generations fully immersed in liquid spice to be able to do this, and still they lose one ship in every ten. The Kwisatz Haderach will be so able to select future timelines-to compensate for the Butterfly Effect-as to hit the mark every time, losing zero ships and even being capable of personal teleportation.
The Guild wants him for the commercial possibilities, the Bene Gesserit want him for the task of guiding the Imperium away from needless war and waste, and to maximize their control, and the Fremen want him as a hero to overthrow the Imperium. Paul’s feelings and interests as an individual are almost meaningless, except insofar as he hitches his wagon to one of these much larger stars.
Glad you liked it!
Indeed, the story is quite compelling but worldbuilding needs its time, and they stayed pretty close to the original story and scenes of the book. Some details were omitted, but that's unavoidable when adapting such a lore-heavy book.
As to give you some info on the lore and politics of the Duniverse, so it becomes a bit more clear:
You have 4 major powerblocks in this universe:
1)The Emperor (and his army, the Sardaukar)
2)The Landsraad, consisting of a dozen Great Houses (and many Minor Houses, all vying for power). Think Game-of-Thrones here, but in sci-fi setting. ;-)
3)The Bene Gesserit; a semi-religious Order of women whom have certain powers (like the Voice, or being a Truthsayer, and some others not shown yet) and exert a lot of behind-the-scenes influence, but mostly stay low-profile
4) The Guild Navigators and CHOAM; a strong mercantile power, with a monopoly on spacetravel
It was more or less explained in the beginnings when Paul talked with his dad on Caladan: House Atreides is a growing power, politically and military, and the Emperor feels threatened. But he can't directly attack the House, because otherwise the Landsraad (the ensemble of Great Houses) will turn against him. As said, they each constitute a "big power" in this Duniverse. So the Landsraad and the Emperor keep each other in check, as it were.
Meanwhile, the Bene Gesserit are working from the shadows, on both sides - they primarily are concerned with their own plans and devices, to create the Kwizatsh Haderach. They manipulate from the shadows and actually form the third great power in this universe, but seldom show it openly. They also exert power by political marriages, or become concubines for political advantages - which is why Jessica wasn't married to Leto, though it was done to benefit him and House Atreides, not herself or the Sisterhood.
The fourth independent power, which is hardly touched upon in this first part of the movie, is CHOAM and their Spice Guild. They're like a huge mercantile power, and the Guild Navigators are the only ones able to move/teleport between planets, so without them, there would be no viable interstellar Imperium. Which make them essential and an enormous powerhouse as well - though, of course... they are and remain dependent on the Spice. That's why: whom controls Arrakis, controls the Empire.
So the Emperor can't directly attack a Great House like Artreides, or he risks all-out war with the Landsraad, consisting of the other Great Houses. Instead, he uses an indirect attack, with and through the Harkonnens - who want their fiefplanet back with all the Spice - doing the grunt work for him. The emperor knows they will be easily instigated that way, certainly because the Atreides and Harkonnen already have a centuries-old feud going on between them. It's a sort of proxy war, thus. He does help the Harkonnen to make sure they'll win - hence why he sends a few battalions of Sardaukar, his elite troops. But no-one (especially the Landsraad) may know about that. (That's also why they killed Liet, because she was going to expose the Emperor's meddling).
Also, some details one might have missed in the movie:
About the time in which the story plays: in the beginning of the movie they show it's the year 10191, but this is not 10191 AD, it's 10191 AG.
AG (After Guild - when the Spice Guild was made and started exploring the stars), and BG (Before Guild) are the iterations used and the lore in the books gives some indication as how that relates to our AD (Anno Domini). The most precise date - with a high level of accuracy - is that the first Dune novel which is set in 10,191 AG, corresponds approximately to 23,148 AD.
It is mentioned the "space age" takes place in 11,000 BG, and assuming this would mean it began in 1957 AD as this is when the first satellite, Sputnik, was launched, we can rebuild the whole timeline to our AD. So if you add the year 11,000 BG to 10,191 AG you’re left with a time span of 21,191 years. So if you add 21,191 years to 1957 AD, you’re left with 23,148 AD as the most likely date.
Quite some time! Most casual watchers of the movie think it's almost 10000 years in the future, but it's actually more than twice as much!
Now...as far as the melee fights and old/new tech are concerned, it's important to realize that in the Duniverse, while there is very high-tech at CERTAIN aspects, others are low tech (which gives the retro-feeling of the movie) but with a reason. It may seem strange at first sight, but note, however, that this has an in-story explanation, namely: thousands of years ago, there was a rebellion against "thinking machines" (AI) called the Butlerian Jihad. Humanity won (barely), but since that time there is a very strong taboo on creating anything resembling robots or AI, and humanity started to develop their own powers (aided by the melange/spice), such as Mentats (basically human supercomputers). This is the reason you don't see any highly developed robots, AI or even computers in this world.
This mix of old and new tech is a defining, historically explained element of the Duniverse; it's part of the worldbuilding and lore. Now, specifically about the melee combat: maybe you missed it, but they explained the shields in that fighting scene; they said "the slow sword can penetrate it". This is a hint that ALL objects with high kinetic energy are stopped dead in their tracks when hitting the shield, but SLOW objects can penetrate it. Meaning: ALL of our "modern" warfare weapons would largely become obsolete: machine-guns and all fast moving shells/bullets etc. become useless, but swords and knifes that are SLOWLY moved can still reach a target through the shields. Making the use of swords and knifes, after thousands of years, the dominant way of fighting once again. It's actually a cool twist.
That's all I'm going to say about it, because any more would get you into spoiler territory for part 2! ;-)
Hope that made things more clear!
Thanks you so much for that! Def makes everything clear. And Thanks for checking it out
This allows for there to be a huge difference in the fighting prowess of the various houses within the dune universe. The skilled soldiers are able to find the perfect speed to Pierce shields. Whereas less skill soldiers may move too fast to pierce Shields or they move too slow and get killed.
Dune inspired George Lucas to create Star Wars.
As for your questions at the end of the movie. The emperor had to make it look like the harkonnens wiped out house atreides. House atreides was so popular that the other houses in the alliance would turn against the emperor if they knew what he did. In the book, The imperial troops that went with the harkonnens were dressed in harkonnen uniforms.
The spice let's the navigators plot courses between the stars it gives you pre cognition
Dune 2 is unbelievably good
I can't wait to see it, really considering going to the theater for the first time in like a decade
I don't know anyone but you who has not read the books who understands so much without having to have the comments explain to you. Can't wait for you to Do Part 2.
Thanks!!
Great reaction. From a film making point this movie is AMAZING in every aspect.
Thanks so much!
Timothée Chalamet: French pronunciation (Timo-TAY Sha-lamay) English pronunciation (Tim-othee Sha-lamay)
There are so many littke things i wish could have been explained but weren't.
1)- there's no aliens or computers of any kind. All differences in people due to breeding, mutations via spice, etc.
2)- spice is necessary for space folding, not because it makes the actual fold (travel) possible, but to actually safetly arrive, because, again... no nav computers, so a guuld navigator does this with their mind, and to do that theyre mutated by spice and advaced math training for centuries, so they can mentally "see" the two points in space and bring them together, via a form of mechanistic prescience, like seeing the future.
But this gift comes at the cost of their humanity, they're monstrous, and theure highly left brained and nigh fatalistic in thought.
3)- The Bene Geseret are like the opposite. Theyre nor psychics and they can't see the future, but through their mitochondrial DNA and genetic memory and total body/intuition mastery, they have access to millenia of wisdom and insight, but they have a plan to master their genetic past AND the future by way of selective breeding of royal family lines to bring about a MALE Bene Geseret... who has all their intuitive/memory/body powers, but also cantao into guild like mentat powers of super-logic, and prescience... gene based foreknowledge of hypothetical futures, in a non fatalistic way... a being able to plot the fate of mankind and save us from future doom.
4)- The voice is a bene Geseret skill that uses insight and body control to create a kind of hypnotic command voice effect tailored to the brain of your target which compells obedience. They can also tell if people are lying, and can control their own metabolism and body chemistry at will... in addition to almost magical combat abiloties theough total body control. Hence how Jessica effortlessly defeated Stilgar.
5)- Paul isnt just a male Bene Geseret, hes also being trained as an advanced duelist, and a mentat (a human computer). His father also gave hom something the emperor, the Harkonians and most Bene Geseret font have: sincerity, honor, virtue, honesty. Hes torn between charisma and practicality, ability and restraint, revenge and altruism. But despite his excellence, he is indeed a false messiah.
There's soo much to learn, thanks for all the info 👍
the "helicopters" are known as Ornithoptors
edit: You saw more and made intelligent guess at what you were unsure of and left most reactors in the dust as to how much you understood so kudos to you sir!
Thank you sir and those Ornithoptors are soo cool
hehe INDEED what IS the Spice Melange... and why is only found on Arakis .... you'll find out :D
there should be sub titles for lot of stuff in this you should watch again with forced subs turned on.
Paul Atreides died and
Lisan al gaib was born.
Don't forget to go to a great cinema, if possible IMAX, for Dune 2 🤩
Dude you slay me, lol. Now back to the show :D
48:08 remember that words😂
you clearly enjoyed part one, but for part 2 it must be seen in theater on the big screen. experience is way better
No not Star Wars Spice. George Lucas ruthlessly took this word from Dune and a lot of other things too, that you will see as the story progresses, but I think George Lucas using the word Spice is simply inexcusable.
I did notice a lot of Starwars can be traced back to Dune
@@AlcyoneReacts Sorry for the outburst. It is okay to be inspired by other stories no one exists in a vacuum, but this is where he went too far and it was completely unnecessary.
Star Was was based off of Dune. Lucas was infatuated w Dune❤
Gunna watch part 2 soon!! Can't wait!
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Seems like it hates my channel lol....thanks for checking it out tho 👍
as to why they where sent to Arakis, Atreides had to much power and influence, and Harkonnen had to much wealth ... 2 birds one stone make the Harkonnen pay for help of killing off there rival and Emperor remove the 2 biggest threats. Atreides couldnt taken out on there home world they controlled the whole planet, on Arakis they where limited to one city with limited man power.
Question in the books what happened to any Atreides left on Caladan?
Only out screwey society would call fearsome warriors triggered
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There was a lot left out of the book watch DUNE by David Lynch
Or don't. The Lynch version deviates from the books in very bizarre ways.
Yes, it's a movie. A movie simply can't have anything the book has. Denis Villeneuve had to make a lot of decisions since the first version of the movie before cutting was like 6 hours long. But the Lynch movie isn't more complete, it actually has less to do with the book and he just added a lot of very weird shit.