Sako 85. The Good the Bad and the Ugly ---- "Video Review"
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- čas přidán 12. 06. 2017
- After owning Sako rifles for most of my hunting life I have had a huge admiration for them but it is just a shame that some of the new 85's just aren't living up to that reputation. This video review is my take on some of the issues that have presented over the last few years. Still love my Sakos but wish these issues didn't exist.
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Thanks for taking the time to make this video! I have a Sako 85 Finnlight chambered in 260 rem and have a March 2.5-25x42 on it with optilock rings and mounts. The scope is zerod in the top 1/4 of elevation adjustment which is actually so hi the zero stop doesn't work. Thankfully there is enough adjustment left to shoot out 600y but what bloody hassle and a monumental f@ck up by Sako. The dovetail system makes it hard to mount a 20moa base but you can have one tapped which is what I am going to have done. Other than that the rifle shoots amazingly well. Bit of a niggle that's for sure. Just glad I have a high quality scope with large elevation adjustment.
That will end up being a very nice setup. Just a shame you have to go to those extremes to get there.
A great honest review. I have wanted a Sako all my life but wasnt till 3 years ago i got my first, a .243 laminated varmint stainless with Zeiss scope it has been magnificent and is everything i hoped it would be .My second a Roughtech pro in 7mm also fantastic ,lets hope these issues are sorted out .Thanks again for your videos they are terrific ,regards, Al Seddon
Thanks Al. Glad you love your Sakos and our videos.
Good review, love your videos. BTW I had the exact same elevation issue with a Winchester safari express in 375 H&H. 2 layers of Ali can was almost 20 MOA
The shimming method has been used on mounts on the Sako 85's to cure this issue as well but personally I don't believe that should be required when you purchase a rifle of their stature.
Another quality vid with info worth considering when parting with the sort of coin you put down on a Sako
Thanks mate. Fore warned is fore armed. Hopefully the need never arises
Very honest, accurate review...thanks, mate. Regards from Broken Hill.
Francois Van der berg. Pleasure mate. Glad you found it informative
This is an important video and straight forward. Looking into a little nice rifle in .270, the problems appearing in the larger caliber versions was alarming to say the least. I would not have expected this in a Sako and would have crapped if I couldn't zero at 100 yds. And for the money spent, there's no reason for it. Sounds like an issue with the machining. I would suspect the scope rings may be too low, but for the fact that you are obviously a more experienced shooter. Ejection port issues sounds like a straight machine issue. All it lakes is for it to be just a hair off and bing! You're right - it would be irritating especially with a high end scope. Thanks heaps for the information and honest and balanced review.
Cheers Anthony. There certainly has been a few issues with the 85 but the majority serve most hunters very well, including myself with my little .204. It's just unfortunate if you get one that has an issue because they aren't cheap.
I’ve owned a Sako mannlicher 30-06 for many, many years. Extremely accurate.
Sounds like a lovely rifle
Still have my Sako A1 .223 that shoots like stink. Thanks for sharing Steve. Agree with your comments and good seeing you today at O'Reilly's. Cheers, Adrian.
Certainly a handy rifle those A1's. Thanks for watching mate and talk again soon. Take care.
Good review, thanks for your honesty. Very often we get "serial" reviewers here Stateside that "gush" over every product they review. It turns out they don't buy the product they have them "supplied" to them for review. This reminds me of the automobile executives at the U.S. domestic makers in the sixties and seventies who couldn't understand why people were complaining about the quality and reliability of the vehicles. It turned out they all got "company issue" cars, they didn't buy them at a dealership like their customers. What is more when they got to their offices the cars were "maintained" by the company mechanics. No wonder they couldn't understand why people were abandoning the domestics in favor of imports. I digress.
You must be a very successful man being able to afford the arms and scopes that you use on camera as well as the leisure you seem to enjoy.
Best regards.
Thanks Jack. I am just an average bloke that has a passion for hunting and more recently I decided I would like to try and share this via video. It is always easy to talk about something you know and love.
thanks for the info mate I have my eye on a sako 85 in 260 but after watching this might think other wise and get another Tikka in the cabinet instead Shame really as i have always wanted one thanks again and keep the vids coming i look forward to your next one cheers
Thanks mate. You would most likely get a great rifle in the Sako 85 especially in that caliber but there is that slight possibility you also may not and this is a real shame. The Tikka's shoot and function extremely well. With the big price difference between the two it is hard to go wrong with the T3's.
Very good and fair minded video. Some people have problems with ejection, especially with 3 turret scopes - on any rifle. The elevation thing is a mystery - many 85 owners have no problem of any kind - others, clearly do. Any way, very well measured comments and presentation. All the best.
Thanks Mike. Always like to hear some feedback.
Mate, as you know all of my c/fs are sako 85s and I have never had a problem with having enough elevation. Some of the ranges I shoot at require over 20 MOA plus especially with the .260 . I have always had plenty of adjustment (elevation and windage) on all of my 85s using Leupold scopes, as for the optilok mounts,they all wear those too and have always been reliable...you just have to make sure that the locking screw/bolt which attaches the rings to the base is as tight as can be. I tighten mine by hand without the aid of a vice or extra long a/key.
Apart from the .260 , I always use factory ammo and my .223 and 22-250 will shoot between .20-.30 for 3 at 100 which is perfectly good for the ranges I shoot at.
Ammo I use is the Winchester Varmint ballistic silvertips , but before I go shooting I will run (out of a slab of 200) every round through a concentricity guage and group them in groups from 0-1 (for testing and extra long range shooting), 1-2(for long range)
and 2-3 thou runout for short range. Any rounds from 3thou and more are used for barrel foulers.
Overall the sakos are fine rifles and as I have said before , you dont have to spend another 3-400 bucks to make them shoot straight like some other well known American brands.
But , I do have one criticsm and that is that when they crown the rifle they use a self centering pilot cutting tool, even though it does a good job, the tool has been known to slip inside the bore causing the lands to be scratched about an inch from the muzzle . This has happened to my .223 and I have seen it on other sakos and tikkas. Fortunately though it does not affect accuracy but you know its there.
cheers,
Sean.
Good to hear from a happy customer.
Purchased a sako 85 finnlight in 308 last week, put both optilock bases and rings. Topped it with z6i 2-12 x50. Discovered same elevation issue. From what i can tell i have 3 options. 1 send it back to Beretta hopefully have it replaced (could take months). 2. mount a sako 25moa rail that will fix the problem but will make top feeding a pain, add more weight to a mountain rifle and cost me an extra $300. 3.Bit of a 2nd class attempted but heard of people stacking some aluminum can between the mounts and the scope to adjust scope height. Either way very disappointed with sako they make such a beautiful rifle its a shame to hear this is such a common problem for the amount spent. Thank for the awesome content Robo!!
I feel your pain mate. Me personally I think I would contact Beretta. If the rifle is not up to par I believe they will do the right thing by you. Better to get it sorted now IMO.
Greetings from Montana. sako 85 greywolf. 300 win mag, talley rings, 3x9 30mm tube leupold vxr, hunting rifle .Good accuracy out to 500 yrds. scope has brass marks from ejection but has always gotten rid of empty. overall happy with rifle, but a little discouraged with shells hitting scope. Recoil is non existent.Good review.
G'day mate. That certainly would be a nice outfit with very potent potential. I can understand your feelings towards that rifle/scope situation but it sounds like you have this setup dialed in pretty well. Thank for watching.
Love my Sako Finnlight 85 chambered in 300 win mag topped up with a Steiner 4X16X50mm scope absolute tack driver 💥💥
Great to hear Mike.
I have wanted a Sako all my life. I finally have the money to get one and they have engineering problems. I will definitely be steering clear and saving a small fortune while doing so. Even a few bad rifles at the cost of a Sako is far too many. Quality control and engineering should be laid on the ground and shot at with their low ball rifles L.O.L. I found your review great and more than fair to the Sako company which, used to be stellar. I and my wallet thank you for it.
Cheers John. Like I said in the video every manufacturer has their issues. It is just the nature of the beast. How they deal with it is up to them and either reflects good or badly on them over time. I can assure you there are many happy Sako 85 customers but being forewarned is being forearmed IMO. Thanks for stopping by👍
I've never heard of the elevation issues, but ejection issues yes. I'm running a 223 85 Varmint with a Z5 Swarovski BT and only ejection issue I get is if I'm to gentle cycling the bolt, otherwise spot on. Shoots like a laser with hand loads and will never be sold. Had a 243 also but was a very different rifle that I never warmed to and moved on. My opinion is that T3's and 85's are chalk and cheese, 85 every day of the week. BTW, your mate getting the Blaser will not regret that one bit, they are a step beyond Sako.
Great review yet again, cheers.
For the majority the 85's are a fantastic rifle and I too love my .204 but there are issues with some and this is something that I have never encountered on previous Sako rifles.
Bolt-Action Productions j
Bolt-Action Productions do these problems accrue with the sako black wolf in 300wsm?
I shimmed my Sako Optilock rings to get the scope canted for long range shooting. Just a couple pieces of beer can cut to shape between the rear scope base and the ring.
Well, it turned out the Sako L579’s receiver had some cant of it’s own. The total cant with my beercan shims ended up being close to 50MOA. I thus ended up with very limited horizontal adjustment with Vortex PST II scope. When the scope is near the end of it’s vertical correction the ammount of horizontal correction is limited significantly.
No problem with quality scopes that have larger adjustment range.
Just took the shims away and I now have ”20MOA base” 😃
I am glad you got it working well for you mate. I must admit I have my doubts about your Sako L579 having "cant" being left to right. I think you will find the Optilocks were out and are certainly not the best scope mounts for a L579 IMO. The L579 is a excellent action, hence why my long range varminter is built on one. Thanks for watching.
Hey Robbo. I own several Sako's old an new. I have owned four Sako 85's and have kept two of them. The two I have kept are a Black Bear in 9.3x62 and a Finnlight in .300WSM. Both in extra low Optilock mounts. I've never had a problem with any of them ejecting, hitting scope turrets, etc. I must have hit it lucky but from all the complaints going around I agree with you and I would think twice before buying another 85. If I did I would have it mounted with the scope I would use and see if the problem existed. It's got me baffled why mine are fine and others are not. As you pointed out mate they are an expensive item and like you, I've always been a Sako fan. My other small issue has always been the recoil pads. I've owned an A series in .300 Win Mag previously. For the money that you pay for a Sako you would think that they could do better than fit a 'car tyre' for a recoil pad. Having said all that I love my Sako's. Cheers, Gats!
Fair points mate. Recoil pads could definitely be improved and many would also like some of the issues I mentioned dissapear as well. One of the boys that shoots with us has a Black Bear in 9.3 and it does eject the cases straight up denting them. It shoots well and as it is a deer hunting rifle with not many shots fired. So he tends to put up with it. Hopefully these sorts of issues will be eradicated when a new model eventually arrives. I would love to continue my long term love of Sako's.
Bought my first Sako in 1981. The issue is the mount not being exactly parallel with the bore. Whilst it’s possible that the dovetail is out, it is more likely that the mounts are. Having the same problem with an old Steyr at present so not just a Sako issue.
Just mounted a new scope on .243. Had a few issues with old rings and decided to switch for a picatiny rail with 20moa height at front. I am now 3 full turns either way when it’s sighted at 200. Where as before I was up toward the limit.
Common problem mate. One that shouldn't happen on a rifle of it's breeding. Glad you got it sorted but just a shame you had to add the rail
I have the Sako 85 Bavarian in 243 and I can't fault this rifle, it is a superb rifle on fallow deer and foxes, great honest review though, thanks for the insight.
Great to hear that Hank.
Yes they are superb rifles I can honestly say best rifle I have ever owned.
Sure are superb all i shoot and own nothing beats the bavarian topped with zeiss glass
Take the hogs back stock off it and I would totally agree but this is just a personal choice
Which is totally fine everyone has personal choices if all of us where the same would be boring. For us Europeans it comes on as traditional regarding the hogsback stocks something that has been used widely for generations and generations. It is a fit that not everyone likes and can use i have had people use all of mine and not one liked it never used one before and takes adjusting to
I love the .204 also great round I have tried them in several different weight of rifles and brands. The .204 is a killer round.
Shooting the 39gr Sierra Blitzkings it is hard to beat on foxes and rabbits.
So this video is interesting. 2 days ago, I'm at Cabelas here in the states. I'm on the used gun rack taking a peek at what's come in. I see a Sako light chambered in .270. Looks new not a scratch on it. I've never had the chance to shoulder a sako so I pick it up. first impressions is what a perfect hunting rifle. Light weight, stainless fluted barrel, beautiful Rifle. The action happened to be in and I run the action, instantly I'm smitten with this gun. There is no scope, no rings. I put it to my cheek and instantly notice something different about this one. Something seams odd. I hold the rifle up and to the side. Straight away i notice that the mount closet to the muzzle is higher than the one closest to the butt stock. I tell my friend to have a look. My question to him was wouldn't this make the rifle shoot low with the scope mounted? Here I am researching this rifle because I don't know much about it and I want one. You have put out a Great video that has saved me 1300 dollars and lots of headache I'm sure. Still I want one but now know what to watch out for. Thanks for the video!
Lovely rifle just a shame there are a few with less love out there.
Great Review! I am waiting for Sako to discontinue the 85 line, as I love the look and Finnish (pardon the pun) etc. but the ejection issue is ridiculous... I had to return a 300 win mag for this... Then a year later, I had to return an A7 in 300win mag... It was so bad, the ejected shell would hit the scope and fall back into the receiver, EVERY TIME! The owner of the gun shop was a little sceptical at first but it happened TO him as well, testing using a spent cartridge. He tried changing the bolt with another sako, but no improvement. I was thinking of getting a 9.3x62 hoping that the problem was limited to 300wm, but heard you mentioning this is not the case. Whew! Glad. I watched. God's Love for Tikkas!
I am sure they will get on top of these sorts of issues if and when the new model comes out. Hopefully they truly will release a "game changer".
When you sent your rifles back were they able to fix them? I have a 270win with the same issue and when I called beretta they told me it wasn’t a warranty issue and to rotate my scope so that my elevation turret was on the side. Worse customer service I’ve ever seen.
Don't waste your money, beretta denys there is an ejection problem, they will not even address the problem! Buy a steyr instead!
Great review. You mentioned in your video about the pad being too firm. We manufacture recoil pads for Sako rifles, and we were wondering if you would be willing to review our recoil pad on the rifle, or any other Sako rifles you own. Thank you.
You are correct as some of the recoil pads have a lot to be desired. Always interested in new products. I have sent you a private message via CZcams. Please confirm you have received it.
I believe the barrels for the Tikka and Sako are made side by side.
The difference is that the SAKO has those extra quality of life upgrades that makes it just a nicer overall rifle.
I don't own one but i've held them in the store a few times as they are made in the next country over.
It's a really well put together gun and it has the technical solutions i would want in a gun.
If i ever get another bolt action and i don't have the need to swap barrels I would get a Sako 85.
Hopefully you'll get a good one. Thanks for watching
I own quite a few sako 85's and yes they have their problems.Firstly my 9.3 hunter. Is a medium action and the 9.3 is large for action so to speak. Doesn't like 5 in the mag as is hard to get the bolt back over the top round if 5 in the mag and will in fact dent the shoulder. feeds poorly and often jams. Trouble ejecting cases causing jams when cycling hard and fast. I only use it with 4 in the mag at any one time and "finger" assist loading! Can't get near the lands and be a repeatable round. That said it shoots lights out!270win hunter. Mid size for action so to speak. Feeds and ejects flawlessly. The action in all regards reminds you why you buy a sako. Silky is the word that comes to mind. Cannot get near the lands and be a repeatable round though. Shoots 1/2moa with Winchester premium factory ammo!7mm rem mag. This I like bar one item. Firstly small for action so to speak which I believe is something you need to opt for with the 85. Easily get onto the lands and be repeatable. Loads flawlessly and feels as silky as the 270 but fails to extract at times. Not cause it fouls on turrets or anything just the extractor claws don't seem to hold the round. I load with Norma brass only but think that shouldn't be a problem. I shoot mild loads too with the 162gn sst @ 2930fps. it shoots lights out though consistently shooting .3moa at 200m/400m & 500m.So my overall take on the 85 for handloaders is choose the small for action calibres as they generally feed better and easy to seat your bullets up on/near the lands and maintain a repeatable rifle
Thanks for the input Craig. I too have had no issues with my Sako 85 in .204 but I must admit my brothers Tikka in the same caliber out shot mine with factory Hornady ammo. Handloading the little 20 Cal with Sierra Blitzkings and it is a accurate deadly weapon.
Yesterday I had my 85 Sako Classic in .270 win. delivered. First few shots i did in in door 100 yard range. Never do it again! The noise in a confined space deafened me! Love this rifle!
Glad to hear you feeling the love in more ways than one👍
@@BoltActionProductions Paid U$2095 here for the rifle.. What is the cost of these back home?
@@BlueTJay I haven't priced one recently but I think they will be in excess of 3k Australian. Magnum sports in NSW have been having a lot of sales on Sako 85's recently
@@BoltActionProductions Thanks, not sure if i should leave this one here and buy another over there. Bringing in is a hassle with Australian customs..
@@BlueTJay Probably easier to buy in Australia
I had a sako 85 laminate stainless in 204 and had to send it back twice, ended up getting it replaced with a new one. I got the set trigger version and it would constantly miss fire when in the "set" position, the gun shop sent it back to beretta and they allegedly "fixed" the problem. I went to try it out and when I put the bolt down she went off in my hands !
I'm not saying all are like this and I understand that sometimes a dud will slip through but for the price you pay and the quality you expect I was a bit annoyed having to send it back multiple times and get it back worse then what I started with.
The one I have now is bloody spot on and I couldn't fault it ! (I didn't go the set trigger version this time round)
That is a shame mate but great that you are on track now. The "Set Triggers" are usually very good direct from Sako and I have two. With a little bit of fine tuning they are fantastic but it just sounds like you had a dud which can happen.
Thank you for your honesty review sir.
JOSH Pittman . Pleasure mate. Just passing on what we have experienced.
Yes sir thank you.. I’m trying to make up my mind on my next rifle. I’ve owned several tikkas and for the most part all done very well except for 1. If you have any suggestions or know of any other brand hunting rifles that have impressed you and wouldn’t mind sharing information I would appreciate you’re input thank you.
JOSH Pittman .What caliber and for what purpose.
Bolt-Action Productions 260 or 6.5x55...I’m hunting white tail deer in the southern United States from 50-400 yards. Weight of the rifle is not an issue I just want an accurate dependable rifle that will last me a lifetime.
JOSH Pittman. Do you need to be able to top feed?
Good video mate. But wish i had of found it earlier as i just purchased a 85 Varmint in 222. Crikey I hope it shoots as i can't cancel the order now
I’m sure you will be more than happy with it. Love that caliber👌. Thanks for watching 👍👍
Just experienced a failure to extract a fired case on a hunt using Sako 85 in 243win. This ended the hunt as we had to use a cleaning rod to knock out the case.
Obvious sighting in issues with the guide's Sako. They changed ammo from 100gr to 75gr & fired a couple of rounds; said it was okay. My son had used this rifle on the morning hunt & missed three deer. He took my Win Featherweight 308win in the afternoon and bagged a nice doe right on dusk at 130m, ranged.
I'm blaming the sighting issue for my miss from a good steady rest from a hide at an estimated 140m in the afternoon. I put the failure to extract down to Federal factory case combined with the piddly extractor on the Sako. It looks Mickey Mouse compared with the 1982 built Win Mod 70 Featherweight.
On our way home that evening I questioned my son about how the rifles compared as the 308 is to be his heritage in due course. His response "I much preferred the Featherweight. It was lighter to carry, easier to point and get on target, the trigger had a better feel and let-off; all up a much better gun." He also preferred the 2.5-10x44 Bushnell Engage on the Win to the Zeiss Conquest 3-9x40 on the Sako. "Better field of view and quicker target acquisition with the Bushnell."
Years ago my best hunting mate had Sako in 22-250 and I had, still have, a Win Mod 70XTR in 22-250. The Win is a very attractive rifle but it looked like a Chevy next to a Porsche compared with the Sako.
On the range the Win was averaging .75 MOA right out to 300m, the Sako rarely achieved MOA and averaged 1.7 MOA. My friend was heartbroken as the Sako was his dream rifle.
So in light of this review and my limited experience I wouldn't waste my money on Sako.
lloyd chandler. As a tradesman I often say “you are only as good as your last job”. This saying can often be related to more than just the trades. A good name will often get you there but it’s no guarantee for longevity. Thanks for watching👍
I own a Sako 85 SS Finnlight in 260 Remington with a fluted short barrel. After owning the rifle for 2 years and using it for one hunting season, the stock began decomposing and becoming VERY sticky. Beretta is apparently the parent company and I have contacted them numerous times about the decomposing stock. They refuse to do anything to rectify the issue that makes the rifle non usable as everything sticks to it. One would think that paying over $1900 US dollars just for the rifle, it would be a lifetime investment. The rifle is a good rifle...the stock makes it useless. I could NEVER recommend a Sako rifle to anyone as they DO NOT STAND BEHIND THEIR PRODUCT!
I'm afraid you're not the first person that has had this issue my friend and I tend to agree there's certainly room for improvement. If you really like the rifle besides the stock issues I would recommend getting onto Kroseg directly and talking about a replacement stock. Certainly worth considering if you don't mind spending the coin. www.krosegprecision.com/sako-hunter
G’day mate didn’t No weather this will help had same issues on a Remington what found I mixed up the rings on the mounts try and keep them a match pair
Yes that can be an issue. One in which I have had with Conetrol mounts
I never had problems with me Sako's, but I used Sako mounts always!
Lucky man👍
@@BoltActionProductions Hi, no not lucky, i just figured nothing wrong with Sako mounts and they must have been tested for Sako rifles. Worked well every time. I used Nikko Gold Sterling scopes 3-9x40 from memory!
@@BoltActionProductions Mate, I have the same policy with my 2 Toyotas Troopies, always used genuine Toyota parts, for 2 reasons. After market parts sometimes reduce the value of the vehicle, and or may need more work to make them right. So I stick to original. When I came finally come back to Melb.. I will pick up a new Troopie with all Toyota genuine parts. It's a policy that worked well for me!
I'm very seriously considering the Sako 85 stainless Finnlight in 6.5 Creedmoor for mule deer and antelope hunting here in Nevada, Idaho and Wyoming. I currently have a Ruger Precision Rifle and a Ruger American Predator with both in 6.5 CM. They both can give me 1/2 MOA groups with Hornady 140 gr. ELD-M factory ammo. Amazing considering their relatively low prices. With their new cold hammer forged barrels Ruger has finally learned how to make good barrels.
-> As to feeding problems with short magnums almost ALL bolt rifles have problems with those short, fat cartridges. Deal with it.
-> Scope mounting, IMHO, should be done with-> A.- a Picatinny rail and B.- with a quality one-piece mount like LaRue or Nightforce. Both will insure no torquing of the scope tube caused by offset ring mounts due to poorly aligned receiver mounting holes. These one piece mounts are precisely machined in perfect alignment. And if you don't trust those brands then you can take out a second mortgage and get a Sphur one-piece mount.
If you need a LOT of elevation for a LOT of distance you can get both the Pic. rail and the unmount in 20 MOA angles for a 40 MOA total. Seriously, for hunting purposes just get the Pic. rail in 20 MOA and that, with a decent amount of elevation in your scope's vertical turret will cover any hold over you will need IF you have a decently flat shooting cartridge like a 7 mm Rem. mag or one of the 6.5 cartridges.
Thanks Eric. The Finnlight would be a nice rig in a 6.5 Creedmoor
Eric B. I too have a RPR (gen1) in 6.5 CM and it shoots well. However, my Sako 85 Finnlight (gen1) ALSO IN 6.5 CM definitely soots better. Especially with the Hornady ELD bullets. If you purchase a Sako I’d recommend the new 85 series Carbon wolf as it has both cheek and length of pull adjustments. As well it’s super light for those mountain range stalking and the like.
Cheers Mate!
My pleasure. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Great video, and this is coming from a Kiwi so consider it high praise indeed haha
This was the first result I got from searching Sako 85, good information. I wonder if it's an issue through their line, I'd hate to think of someone spending almost 4k on a deluxe only to have to shim their scope base to zero it. I'd be through the roof if they told me it was "within tolerance" how about I send you the scope and rings too and then you tell me that. Customers aren't always right, unless they just spent four grand at your store in which case yes sir replacement on the way sir and I better not hear any lip either
Cheers Simon. It is a shame that these issues mentioned do exist but we also have to remember that they are not the only manufacturer that can have issues. There are also a lot of Sako 85 happy customers including myself with my .204. It is handy to know about the issues mentioned as forewarned is always forearmed. Thanks for watching.
270 win. I asked the owner of the gun store if he had heard of this ejection issue before purchasing the low profile mounts, he said yes but not from anyone who had bought from him in the past. I’ll change the low for med high in the near future.
Hopefully that will solve it. Low mounts can be a issue sometimes no matter what the rifle. Keep me posted.
Every manufacturer has faults that be blaser , sauer , browning maral they all do. marals have issues with elevation with scopes, sauer with magazines and ejection and blaser with barrels ( most will say they never heard of it but they have issues with them
I am a huge sako fan have had my fair share of them mainly sako bavarians and can happily say i have had no issues with single one. All my hunting buddies all own several 85's with no issues at all.... Now these issues that have been spoken about in the video are true and sako knows them, i know of three black bears that had ejection issues and all three got replaced and now are excellent. Elevation issue is something new to me and first time i heard of it. To me if you pay 3k for a rifle needs to be top notch if the issues are there rifle should be replaced no questions asked.
I am putting a new scope zeiss victory diarange on my bavarian and quite eager to see how it goes with ejecting with the new scope it will be rail mounted. Interesting times ahead. People looking to buy a sako i recommend them highly and have had plenty mates buy them and are thankful they did. If Sako is not for you get a Mauser M03 Alpine.
Thank you for the video
Pretty much sums it up. Well said mate.
I have a couple of Sako's at the moment: 204 85 h/s, 243 85 s/s, 270 win 85 h/s, 30-06 85 s/s, 375 h&h 85 safari and never had any issues. Sako just have that little bit smoother action and better finishes.
Have a couple of Tikka's & CZ's as well, but in my opinion the Sako are the nicer rifles.
Geez mate that's more than a couple, that's a fair collection of very nice rifles. Yes we have come to expect that quality finish of the Sako's over the years....
I’ve been very much wanting a 375h&h sako 85, but am tremendously worried I’ll end up with ejection issues. The feeding seems to be fabulous with a very reliable trigger in adverse conditions, these attributes are perfect for a dangerous game rifle. However an ejection failure could also mean disaster.
You are not the first person to voice their concerns in this area. I can't say I blame you.
I would go with a CZ that is about 7-10years old in a 550! Great gun except the last couple years made they had some issues too that needed addressing so they stopped making them instead of retooling to cure the problem,
My 85 varmint in .223 bashes spent cases into the bottom of my swaro Z5 and runs out of elevation after 300m. Sounds like I’ll have to have it corrected myself and pad the base of the scope to protect it from damage
Bloody shame mate. This shouldn’t happen🙄
I know I'm late, have a Sako 75 in 7x64, loads from the top, holds 5, trigger is as good as my Sauer, shoots better than I can, is a little heavy but doesn't kick much. Will be a keep forever gun.
That certainly would be a nice package and definitely one worth holding onto for life. Thanks for tuning in mate.
Greetings from Greenland
I have the same issue with elevation problem whit my sako 75. I solve this problem by mill down the optilock base by 8/10mm to get 30 moa. Enough to get it approximately center of the turret adjustment.
It seems to work fine now
Great to see you in a position to solve the issue. Thanks for watching Jens.
@@BoltActionProductions thanks
It was a pleasure to watch you honest review of sako 🙂
I got rid of a Sako 85 in 375 H&H because of the ejector at 6 o'clock position. The cases upon ejecting would hit the scope and frequently land in the open action. Very dangerous for a dangerous game rifle, a serious design flaw that Sako needs to address .
Jeff Trout. I certainly wouldn’t want that scenario with a dangerous game rifle. Hopefully it will be sorted when a new Sako is released👍
@@BoltActionProductions It didn't happen every time, but did it did happen. I have 2 other Sakos, both AVs, and they work flawlessly. The ejector is at the 9 o'clock position in those rifles. I don't know why Sako would change it but I know a lot of shooters stay clear of the 85 for that reason.
Just matched up a 2017 Sako 85 Finnlight with a Leupold vx 5hd 3-15x44 using low one piece optilock rings. Tons of clicks at 0 Moa however, empties refused to eject properly after each shot. I have to finger each empty out. 3700.00 Canadian is quite expensive for a single shot rifle.
I feel your pain. What caliber?
I had same problem with a 85 in 375 H&H. The problem is that the ejector is at 6 o'clock, a serious design flaw of the 85. I have 2 other Sako AV rifles and the ejector is at 9 o'clock. They are fantastic rifles. I got rid of the 85 and would never think of owning one again. It could cost your life in a dangerous game rifle.
I have a 7mm mag with that same stock and it's heavy as hell. Not something you want to lug around all day. But it's still one of my favorite guns very accurate.
That certainly would be a nice rifle and if it shoots well that is a bonus. A certain amount of weight in larger centerfires can be a bonus but it is up to every individual to decide when it is too much. Not one rule for all when it comes to that. Thanks for watching
I own seven 85’s and have never experienced ejection issues of any degree. All my scopes (Leupold and Swarovski) are mounted as low as possible. This report is surprising to me to say the least.
You are certainly one of the lucky ones mate as am I with my Sako 85 in .204 but there are many that aren’t so. Besides the couple I have dealt with myself and one of the boys 9.3 Blackbear that failed to eject clearly I have had many people contact me with the issues I mentioned, especially after posting this video. It doesn’t take much searching of the internet, especially on some of the hunting forums to see these issues pop up. Many alignment issues often don’t appear obvious because the scopes used have more than enough adjustment to compensate. Enjoy your plefora of Finnish quality as do I 👍👍👍
what kind of scope do you have,and lens dimension and the size of the ring for mounting the scope. My Sako is Sako AV (5) and I'm looking for 34 mm mounting rings .Can you suggest something where you can get please
I think your best chance to get mounts to suit that size scope tube would be here www.optics-trade.eu. Good luck and thanks for watching.
Thank you for your comments. I am looking at purchasing either a Sako or Tikka in .223. I have just subscribed to your channel and I look forward to more of your videos. Paul, Adelaide
Thanks Paul. I hope you enjoy your stay
Interesting to hear of this 'problem', so now most Sako 85 owner's who watch this will be aware of what to check.
Hopefully they won't have to Reg.
I also had case extraction issues with my Sako 85 in 30.06. Same behaviour you described: case neck dented on extraction, or case fell back on top of magazine. The fix? I spun the scope in the rings through 90 degrees such that the windage turret became the elevation adjuster, elevation turret is now windage but sitting on opposite side to case extraction port. Now the 85's penchant for throwing cases at a high angle is unimpeded. [Scope reticle is standard duplex, so image remains same post rotation]
It's a solution that one really shouldn't have to use but if you are happy with it that is all that matters in the end.
@@BoltActionProductions I believe I found the reason for the near vertical ejection of spent cases: excessive bolt face to extractor claw face clearance. I.e. gap is wider than the lip of the cartridge head. Thus the extracted cartridge is drawn in a non-horizontal path from the breech, case mouth dragged over the magazine. When the case is first struck by the ejector ram, it pivots vertically about the point where the top edge of the claw is resting on the rim. Only after the case is lifted past horizontal does the full width of the claw make contact with the rim. Once the whole claw face is in contact, the effect is to then throw the case more sideways. If the bolt face to extractor claw face clearance is significantly greater than the rim dimension, then the momentum for upward trajectory generated at first is not sufficiently overruled by the later sideways throw. Hence near vertical ejection. [I bought a new claw: same problem. Seems Sako engineer claws to accommodate a wide variety in brass rim thickness and/or do not machine to sufficiently tight tolerances]
Love your channel. I have the Sako 85 Finnlight (Gen1) with a 20”SS Fluted barrel that’s chambered in 6.5 CM. I must say it’s been a real tac driver so far. Currently I have the Sig Sauer BDX Sierra3 scope; 6.5-20X52 mounted on it. Recently while tinkering with the scope I noticed that I only have ~ 8MOA Of elevation and far more of de-elevation. Now as long as I have battery power in my scope, phone and range finder I have no need to even touch the elevation knob as it’s all done internally ( I know pretty sweet right). Anyway back on topic. However if I need to make manual adjustments, it’d be nice to have more the 80” (at 1000yd which is my maximum comfortable range). In fact I’m quite sure 80” would likely be enough. What’s your thoughts on this? Do I need to call Sako?
Bill that certainly sounds like a sweet little rig and a very interesting scope. It also sounds like you have the system dialed in well. I have just tried looking into the specs of that scope and for the life of me I can't see the total elevation adjustment available in the data. Maybe you can enlighten me here but with a 30mm tube I would expect to be left with a little more than 8MOA after zeroing it. Obviously this is depending at what distance it is zeroed. As I don't know what your intended use of this firearm is I really can't give accurate advice. Target use or for Hunting etc? Many long range rifles often have 20MOA rails fitted but the little Sako doesn't really do this well IMO.
Bolt-Action Productions Thankx for the response. The main reason for this setup is hunting deer, and elk this comes fall. But mainly for cartwheeling coyotes at long range. If my memory serves me right I remember reading somewhere that this scope has 20 MOA BUT I COULD BE MISTAKEN.
20MOA seems a little light on when you consider a Nightforce NXS of similar power and tube diameter has around 100MOA. Either way the rifle as setup will certainly cover hunting distances for Elk and deer. Coyotes could be the issue if you want to push it a bit. We can also overthink these things and sometimes the K.I.S.S. system works the best. If it ain't broke sometimes it is better not to try and fix it. The issues with many hunters, especially those that aim for precision and perfection is we can't stop tinkering and this can often be to our detriment in the end. It really is your call mate.
Bolt-Action Productions after 31 years of service I certainly like the KISS formula. This is the main reason for buying the Sig Sauer BDX SYSTEM. A few inputs into the App and ....range and shoot. All adjustable data is done automatically into the scope ( following ranging a target or making changes in the App). In all honesty I don’t think the true concept of this setup is to be making lots of manual adjustments. You video just got me thinking that’s all. Thankx for the input B-AP
Bolt-Action Productions I also wanna put in a plug on Bipods. I have the javelin bipod. Weight is about the same as my I phone. And you can carry it in your pocket too. Anyway keep up the great channel.
They keep releasing new Calysie strains every two years. Rabbits still rabbiting. Sako is my next gun in 7mm Rem Mag. Thanks to people like you. Stuff
tika. Might as well buy a Rem 700.
Cheers mate but go easy on the Tikka's. LOL.
I have three sakos 22 magnum,17 remington, and a new 85 barvarian carbine in 30-06 , no problems so far ,but you right every manufacturer has problems,what it is ,we all come to expect the quality and reliability of Sako and are shocked when there is a problem, I know people with blasers who had problems, yet my buddy who shoots the cheapest remington 770 is getting 3/4 ins Moa and not a single problem, the only thing putting me off a purchasing another Sako would a tikka , after I get blackout sorted I will be looking at the new tikka in maybe 6.5x55 or 260 rem atvb steve
The 260 Rem would be a nice choice
Interesting. I'm about to buy a 85 in 338 win mag I found used at a local gunshop for what I think is a good price.....I doubt they have a warranty of any kind on a used rifle. Wish me luck.
All the best with it mate 👍👍🤞
Great review mate. I have my eye on the A7 roughtech pro, then I started thinking 'hey, why not an 85'? Which led me here. Interesting conversation I had with a gunshop owner late last year. I was looking to buy a Tikka varmint in .223 and the owner was trying to steer me towards a Howa 1500. Out of curiosity I asked him what he thought of Tikka and Sako and in typical aussie fashion he replied "They've gone to shit since Baretta took them over, Baretta f*&k everything". I was surprised at the comment and ended up buying a varmint at another shop, which I'm really happy with by the way. I always assumed he wanted me to buy a Howa because his profit margin might be greater. But after watching this and hearing the odd murmur from others maybe there is some truth to his statement? Not to the point of being 'shit' of course but maybe Baratta have relaxed a little on the quality control? I'd still love one though if I can stretch the finances that far. Keep up the good work from a new subscriber in SE Qld. :-)
They are still a great rifle if you get a good one.
I had a Howa 1500 that would shoot 5 rounds into .25 with my handload. It shot factory ammo into .5-1"MOA. Best 22-250 I ever owned.
I had a accident and pawned it. Never got it back. Howa makes the barrels and action for Mossberg.
But if a rifle dosen't have a sights on it, I am not getting it. Not too many companies putting sights on a gun anymore.
I like Sako's but they're a bit heavy on the wallet. I like the new Black wolf looks like it would make a great target rifle but gotta save them pennies
Yes mate I hear you. I tend to work on the buy once cry once theory but sometimes the amount of tears can be painful. There is a new Carbon Wolf being released very soon that does look very sexy.
I had a interesting situation with a Sako L579 in 308, it is my sons rifle. I had a set of brand new in box old Sako medium 26mm mounts, I also gave him a new Doctor fixed power 26mm scope, he rang me up and said, hey dad the rear mount wont screw up tight, the front one is fine, but the rear is very lose.I said it cant be I have never seen that before, anyway the Wife and I went rushing over to his house to have a look, and sure enough he was right, you have the little tab on the back of the rear mount which locates in it's spot so it cannot go forward, but it was lose as can be, he made a spacer to fit in the rear dovetail on both sides and it seems to be ok now, but that was real strange.
I have seen that before with some mounts and the recoil pin. It certainly doesn't make sense to me why you would put that pin in a precisely machined tapered dovetail mount.
@@BoltActionProductions I also tried a set of 25mm Sako mounts which were also new, and had the same result, I also have on hand, an old set of Sako 26mm mounts that are real old and well worn, I said go in the garage. and grind the tab of that mount, we will see if it tightens up, when it slides up more forward, which the taper of the dovetail increases it's angle, as you go forward. I thought I had it fixed then, for sure, before I used the Grinder on a new set of mounts, but it was still lose. I will get my vernier, and check my L579 from botton to top of dovetail, and on his, and then see if a difference is noticeable, I only put this up, you never know, someone else might have the same problem with another L579.
I wanted to buy an 85 deluxe in .270 win. or a 7mm08 . Plan on putting a Leupold VX3 2.5 x8
conetrol mounts and rings. Leaning toward .270 . I am a bit nervous about buying one now with the ejection issues . Have you heard of any issues with the .270 or is it mostly the short mag calibers? any body have advice?
thanks
Get them to test the rifle before you leave the place of purchase. Majority are Ok but it doesn't hurt to have it checked out before taking possession
Hopefully after 4yrs, they fixed the problem. I going to buy one in 308
You would want to hope so. If it were me I would try before you buy. Good luck👍👍
Hello sir .... what is your take on the Sako A7 Line ? They are obviously cheaper than the 85.
Thanks for your help!
Joe depending on your use and caliber selection I would highly recommend looking at the Sako A7 Roughtech Pro. Very good value for money, extremely accurate but like the Tikka unable to be top fed through the action. I use a heavier version in the Roughtech Range for my long range work. It has been a very accurate rifle and again being very good value for money. Don't count out the Tikka's as they shoot extremely well and often more accurately than their more expensive brothers. You can see my Roughtech Range setup here. czcams.com/video/qhnXqgrNSc8/video.html
Great platform with RoughTech Range!
Interesting situation I have here...we have a distributor that can get good deals on the 85 Synthetic in common calibers. In this case, the 85 is cheaper:
Sako 85 Synthetic Black
www.eurooptic.com/sako-85-black-270-win-jrs1c18.aspx
A7
www.eurooptic.com/Sako-A7-Big-Game-270-Win-Threaded-with-Muzzle-Brake-JRMBG18TB.aspx
www.eurooptic.com/sako-a7-big-game-w-roughtech-stock-270-win-26-jrmbg18f.aspx
Thoughts on the above? Is the 85 the obvious better deal?
Thanks again!
I had the same problem with the case hitting the turret on my 375 H&H Kodiak and the spent case would drop back into the action. Not what you want on a dangerous game rifle. Sold it! Shame because it was a beautiful rifle.
That certainly is a shame Gary. I hope you have got something that suits the job. Thanks for watching.
Bolt-Action Productions I’m a handgun hunter but I like big bore guns and that one seemed like a good choice. Oh well
The extraction problem is still happening and will continue to happen till Sako redesign their 85 action.
That sums it up pretty well Neville.
Any problems with the spent casing hitting the scope tube when being ejected? Apparently It is a problem, at least with a 375 magnum. Thanks!
In my .204 no but I do talk about the subject you mention in the video.
@@BoltActionProductions Sorry I missed that. I'll watch it again. lol
Jim Dent I have no issues with my 6.5 CM with optilock system and a Sig Sauer Sierra3 scope.
I got a Sako av 85 375 h@h and love it
That would be a nice rifle and even better with an aftermarket butt pad.
I can swing a Sako if I set my mind to it but with the way Bergara and Tikkas shoot I just decided to stay in my lane. Maybe I’ll spring for one someday
You have chosen well. Enjoy.
Stay with the Tikka’s and you can’t go wrong! Great gun at a great price! Seen a few problems with Bergara’s too! Go with a Vanguard before you go with Bergara, more accurate and cheaper too!
@@ethanabrams6250 Bergaras are the only thing giving Tikka competition in their price range. What problems are these? I have a muzzleloader with a Bergara barrel too. I just bought a Tikka .270 wsm.
LOU-pold...not LEO-pold...
Great review and good to see something honest instead of the myriad groups who never met a firearm they didn't like.
I knew my pronunciation was never going to be consistent worldwide. LOL. Thanks mate.
Bolt-Action Productions
After 40 odd years, I still can't pronounce Kahles...lol
You don't need to be able to pronounce Kahles to understand that they are a far superior scope to "Lou-pold". Kahles is one of the best scope manufacturers IMO and have a slight edge over many Swarovski's
Bolt-Action Productions
I've got one Kahles, in claw mounts...the rest are all Nikons.
I use Nikon cameras for years and they were always fantastic. Recently I purchased a Nikon for a Air rifle and have been pleasantly surprised by its optical quality for the price
I’m looking at a Bavarian in 30-06, have you heard of them having ejection issues? Or if Sako have rectified the issue?
They certainly haven't fixed anything that I am aware of but the issues seem to only be with certain cartridges. It might pay to see if you can try before you buy but that usually isn't an option.
They have problems! Love the gun,but the 75’s and the 85’ both have extraction problems. The Tikka’s on the other hand are great and no problems with extraction and I have had a few of them. The 85’s on magnum and non magnum have a couple of extraction problems, one is the shell won’t come all the way out but hit the scope and flip back into the feeder. The other problem is firing a shot then not being able to get the bolt to open. Had all three guns in the shop several times and the problems were not cured! Sold the guns and no more Sako 75’s or 85’s for me! I have had most of the really nice guns and never had any sort of problem with them. So sad because I just love the feel of the rifles and looks!
@@ethanabrams6250 damn I really want one too like you said they look and feel amazing. I’ve seen a lot of people post online saying their Sako hasn’t had an issue but the obvious ones that say there’s have been a nightmare.. is it a luck of the draw type thing?
I have a Sako 85 Finnlight with the rubberized stock. The rubber coating is peeling off from standard gun cleaners like hoppes#9, Sweets, etc. It's so soft you can scrape it off with your fingernail. Underneath the rubber coating is the solid fiberglass. It's no longer under warranty. Very poor quality if the rubberized coating can't withstand gun cleaners. Don't buy a Sako with this type of stock.* I'm not sure what to do about this or if there is anything I can do through Sako.
Don, if my memory serves me correctly there are a couple of different stocks produced for the Sako 85 Finnlight. I am not sure if one is actually better than the other but I would always be very careful getting any cleaning products on my stocks whether they are timber or synthetic. I always try and cover mine around the rear of the action when cleaning is in progress. Sweets is not only corrosive on barrels if it isn't completely removed but I am not surprised it has attacked your stock. I am not sure where you a located but Beretta are worth contacting to see if they can help. Otherwise, it might be worth looking into one of the carbon fibre alternatives for that rifle. This would help make it a try lightweight rifle. Thanks for dropping by and keep me posted on your progress with this rifle.
I'm about to drop the dough on a sako 85 in 7mm-08 and now you've got me worried
Majority are fine mate. I wouldn't be too concerned but forearmed is forewarned if you do have an issue.
If the Tikka held 5rounds of a given caliber, instead of 3, I'd happily accept the overall function and performance of Tikka over the Sako because of the drastically lower price.
Fair point. Being able to top feed through the action would be a game changer for the Tikka.
Are American guns popular over there? I can understand y'all having sako's but how often do y'all come across Remington or Winchester?
Remington and Winchester are just as popular with many custom rifles being built on the older Remington actions
The older models prior to the 75 series were the best. Heard of issues on the newer models, which at the money they cost shouldn’t happen. Sakos are highly priced and paying that sort of money means the issues being experienced in some of these rifles shouldn’t be happening. The 3 Sakos I have are great and I will never part with them.
Certainly agree with your opening statement mate. You can only live on a name for so long and as they say "You're only as good as your last job".
Can confirm my Black Bear 9.3x62 has elevation problems running a Kahles Helia 3, and I know another guy that had the same iusse in his 338Federal.
Funny when I called Beretta they said they had never heard of it as a known issue.
Frustrating and disappointing.
Sorry to hear of this Albert. You are certainly not on your own. Thanks for watching.
@@BoltActionProductions
Cheers mate keep up the good work, really enjoying your latest vids👍
This was nearly 3 years ago this review, SAKO have brought out a few more rifles since then so hopefully have cracked any issues.
Let's hope so but I still get the odd message with people experiencing the issues I mentioned. Without looking into serial numbers we will not know the exact year of manufacture. Thanks for watching.
@@BoltActionProductions I've never heard of the scope problems you mentioned, but then again who am I to say they don't exist. The ejection problems, I have gotten myself and some of my friends have as well, but the gunsmith I know, took care of the problems for all of us and now the rifles works great. Mine is in 9.3mm.
@@TheSpekkel1 well for the cost, that's a neg as it should be flawless out of the box. what if i dont have a good gunsmith like you???
@@ruhurtin4squrtin34 Well then you are out of luck I guess. It was 30€ fix anyways so adding it on top the rifles price wasn't such a big deal. They seemed to have worked on some problems, as people I know don't seem to experience problems I had.
I have a 7MM mag. Finnlight and I cannot get it to zero in at 100 yards, It’s shooting at least a 6 inch groups. I’ve shot everything from 139 grain up to 160 grain bullets, all different manufacturers. I’ve had the gun apart and back together three times. Looking for something loose. I have a Leupold VX6 3-18x50mm CDS-ZL on it with Sako rings. Any thoughts?
Sako 75 or 85?
Well I got 2 stories that may help you, bought a Finnlight in 7mm-08. Had it seven years shot hundreds of different brands and weights of bullets. The best it shot wa 2 inch groups. Not good enough for me sent in back to Sako, 2 weeks late they sent it bac kand said it shot within standards. Called my gunsmith, he yanked off the Sako barrel and put a Hart barrel on it shoots 1/4 inch groups at 100 m. but the barrel cost 800.00. Bought a Sako 85 Mannlicher Bavarian 243 shot over 200 rounds of various round 3 inch groups was the best cleaned it well every after every 5 to 10 shots. Nothing helped 6 months later took it out first 10 shots started seeing small changing in grouping. Long story short by the end of the day 40 shots, 243 was grouping 5 shots in .56 at 100m. Don't know what suddenly happened, but an old timer watching me says sometimes "dem new guns light to be shot for a while before they start to listen and settle down and do right, like a women he says" He further stated " I new a young women from San Francisco, she didn't listen oba oba oba oba oba. So I guess some barrels need a bit longer brake in , Like the old guys girl. My wife just said no more guns for me until I am broken it, sssiihhhhhh.
I had a 300 wsm in the 85. Got to Africa for a hunt and suddenly had feeding problems turned my bolt action into a single shot. Sent it back to Barrett fixed the feeding problem but inherited an extraction problem. Traded the rifle for a 300 win mag in a Winchester problem fixed.
Such a shame mate as it should have been a great rifle in that caliber. In fairness though some other rifle manufacturers also have issues with extraction and feeding of WSM cases.
Do you know if things have improved since this video. Considering a Sako 85 22-250 Varmint
I am not sure mate so I won't make comment.
@@BoltActionProductions Thank you! I love my Sako 85 300wm. I am hesitant to get another one based on the buzz about ejection issues. I think I'll go to the Tikka T3x Varmint for the 22-250.
I was going to pick up a Sako 85 stainless steel Hunter in 300 win mag. At a price of $1,900.00 Ya have Me thinking twice about this purchase. Should I just not take the Gamble and go with a Blaser or a FN Winchester model 70 in 300 win mag? Please respond back if Ya can. Thank You.
They are a great rifle if you manage to get one that doesn't suffer from the issues I mention. If you can test it out before purchasing that would be my choice but an option that I understand is often not possible. I know it is a tough decision and I feel your pain.
Bolt-Action Productions. Thank You for Your honest opinion and fast reply.
use Burris rings with inserts to get more ellevation . . . sorted
Your the ideas man Ross..........
I would have liked to know what caused the elevation problem. It sounds something seriously wrong somewhere.
glencoe. Yes mate. Some serious tolerance issues.
@@BoltActionProductions As a result of quality control?
That is not for me to say as there are a few possibilities but I would be thinking along those lines.
Looking at this in the 270, should i avoid or grab its a virgin at the right price...😮
If you can test it out first before buying would be my advice
Was this problem alleviated when the finnlite 2 was released ?
I am not sure mate. I know a few people with Finnlite 2’s and they have shot well but I also know of a few carbonlites that haven’t. I’m afraid it’s the 85 lotto 🙄
I am looking to purchase a Sako 85 black wolf in 7mm rem mag and the elevation issue is worry some.
As for the ejection issue, I did some research and found that the extractor claw is machined wrong. The reason the cases are ejecting into the scope is because the claw is not holding the head close enough to the bolt face. A new machined claw has been known to fix the problem. I found it on Sako collectors forum. Photos of a machined claw next to a factory claw can be seen here. You may have to register to see it.
sakocollectors.com/forum/threads/ejection-issues-model-85-varmint.9344/page-2
I know this should not be a problem with a rifle of this high end but just thought I would pass it along.
The Black Wolf would be a nice rifle and I think the new Carbon Wolf will be even better. I have seen the links regarding the extractor claw and from what I can see it hasn't been tested enough on various rifles to see that it is a guaranteed success.
Agreed but it might be worth a shot. That Carbon Wolf is really nice but its over $1000 more. Is the only difference in the stock material?
If my memory serves me correctly that claw was made by one person that machined it up for himself. Not a production item. I am yet to see the Carbonwolf in the flesh. It is most likely just the stock that is different but that will make a big difference if you want to carry the rifle around. Check the weight comparisons between the two. I might be wrong but I think there is a fair difference.
I checked Sako website and you are looking at exactly 1lb difference so I dont think its worth $1000 to me, maybe someone else feels different. And you are correct about the claw machined by an individual and not a production item. Im willing to bite the bullet on a Sako rifle and if I have the problems outlined by yourself I will just spend the money and fix it because Sako wont. It sucks that I have to take a chance to a high end rifle like this but I will deal with it.
Do you know if this issue has shown itself on the TIKKA models??
I've never heard of any similar issues with Tikka
I got a 85 in 30-06 with that ejetion problem. I use a simple scope on it ( somtimes a Aimpoint). Solved the problem by turning the scope 90 degrees anti clockwise. Elevation knob is now wintage, but no problem. The casing will not hit the wintage knob.Will not work on fancy scopes vith BDC. Sorry, bad english.
potetstappa. You’re not the first person I know that have sort of solved the ejection issue by rotating their scope. It’s a shame that you have to resort to such methods. Thanks for watching 👍
Have you ever tried glass bedding your Sako's? I have a couple that I'm thinking of doing.
I glass bedded all my older Sako's but haven't had the need for the 85's with the detachable mag. The older "L" series Sako's that have the flat underside on the action bedded well and were definitely worth doing. The only Sako action that I still have that is bedded is my custom varmint rifle in .243 that I built myself. I made the stock from a piece of African Walnut and then pillar and glass bedded the L579 action using "Brownells Steelbed". It shoot's extremely well achieving 1/4moa with the 87gr Vmax. You can see that rifle in action here czcams.com/video/ABzmzkW20XE/video.html
Experimenting with action tension on the 85's usually gets very good consistent results and there is no need to bed the actions on the 85's IMO.
What range of torque have you tried on the action screws? I've got a 204 varmint and a 300Win Finn Bear.
Timber stocks obviously need less but up to 45in/lbs should be OK but I would send Beretta an Email to confirm these for each individual rifle to be sure. Synthetic stocks can go higher but not all. I usually do the front screw up a bit tighter than the rear and before tightening I sit the rifle on its butt facing upwards to make sure the recoil lug is in contact with the stock. We often look for problems in our rifles but forget to check issues with us the shooter first. The importance of good form and technique is often overlooked and the equipment blamed. I have been guilty of this myself many a time.
Thanks for the info. I enjoyed the rabbit hunt video. That looked like lots of fun with good friends. Here in the US prairie dogs are what I go after. Here is a thread I've got going on Varminter.com.
www.varminter.com/forums/topic/18557-prairie-dog-hunt-in-new-mexico/
Cheers. I will have a look.
With modern scopes and rifle interfaces.. if you aren't within about 0.75MRAD out the gate, something is probably wrong. Being even halfway through the adjustment in any direction is entirely unacceptable, and results in a less accurate, less usable system.
100% agree mate. Thanks for watching 👍👍
This problem is not acceptable with a Savage Axis, a rifle that cost a fraction of what a Sako cost.
100% agree mate.
I think i'll die with my sako 75.
Definitely worth holding onto Adam
How the hell the rifle will run out the scope aviation adjustment? That should be a DOA case.
Yes mate. Many quality scopes have not had enough elevation adjustment to be able the zero some Sako 85’s correctly.
What kinda of camouflage shirt is that?
It is just one of the Hunters Elements fleece tops. I don't know the exact name but it is comfy.
I ran out of elevation on my Tikka T3 Forest with a Leupold VX-5HD 3-15x56mm as well. I took a soda can and just shims and stacked them under the scope on the back mount. Problem solved. You gotta hillbilly that stuff, man.
What mounts.
Leupold mounts.
Had you tried reversing the mounts? Swapping front to rear.
I didn’t. After cutting my shims all is well and has been well. I left it alone.
I think the problem is more the mounts than the rifle and it won't be the first time I have had one mount sit higher than the other. It only needs to be out a few thou and that will cause your problem. Shimming would be my absolute last resort even though it does work.
What digital camo are you wearing?
Hunters Element
Earlier sakos and tikkas where much better qalitty. Now days the demand is so high that new ones are losing qalitty.! I have Sako TRGs and Tikka T3 hunter bouth are 10 years old and they shoot esaly 1MOA with pretty much anny Bullets i feed them.
Very true. The same can be said for most manufacturers though.
Would you buy another SAKO 85 robbo?
Callum Henderson. If I could test it first. I would at the right price.
Perhaps different mounts would solve the problem?
The rifles that have issues are way beyond mount remedies yet some people choose to shim their mounts to help solve the problem. The question is. Should you have to?
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I agree, but if a set of adjustable mounts solve the issue you still get the other benefits of owning a Sako.
These adjustable mounts you speak of. Who makes them, what brand are you talking about?
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There are a number of manufacturers, have a look on the internet under adjustable rifle scope mounts.
@@sherbs58. I’m always interested in specifics and experience with products. Which type/brand of adjustable scope mount would you recommend to solve this issue. Always good to share first hand knowledge👍👍
I have a sako 85 varmint 223 the trigger was rubbish so i sent it back to baretta and that was fixed. Very happy with that now. what my main complaint with the rifle is that shit piece of plate screwed to the stock as a recoil lug area, i think the recoil lug and the plate on a $2500 are pathetic.
Unusual that the trigger wasn't good as Sako have one of the better triggers IMO