@@Dagenham_Swish It definitely helps that Fists have some nasty anti-vehicle synergy. 18+6D6 shots with lethal hits, and the 18 have twin linked for bonus, it a bit silly. I've solo'd a Knight with Garadon as well, which led to another Knight committing all of it's shots into vaporizing him.
@@shadowmancy9183 "I've solo'd a Knight with Garadon as well, which led to another Knight committing all of it's shots into vaporizing him." These are the moments I play 40k for, love it!
@@timunderbakke8756 thunder hammers would disagree...devestating wounds is a thing and can melt a vehicle with relative ease, but at the end of the day, it's all in the dice.
As someone new to the hobby and getting ready for their first games your videos are incredibly digestible and have made the journey so much easier. Videos like this are essential for new players in my opinion. Thanks for the content.
I would disagree with you, but these vids are not essential to a new players. I´ve been into this for 20 years and it has it´s own charm to discover what works for you and what doesn´t. Also vids like these, while quality, are made in certain mindset. Unless you want to play tournaments, you don´t need to always need to bring super optimal units. Take what you like, if you like the model, just play it. It´s good to have some idea about stuff and minis, but what I would recomend, really play what excites you, what seems cool, regardless of how powerful it is on the tabletop.
I've recently found that eliminators with las fusils are the BUSINESS. I had a couple units lying around and wanted to see how they did...Turns out S9, AP-3, D6 damage is really strong when you combine it with Oath of Moment, deathwatch mission tactics and special ammo stratagems. Oh and they get devestating wounds if they don't move...Add a phobos librarian and they can't be shot at more than 12" away. There's so much more you can do with them but I don't want to write more of a novel than I already have.
Tell me. Because I'm going to my first GT in two weeks and I built a for fun list that's lore accurate to the raptors space marines successor chapter. And I've included two units of 3 las fusilier elimnators. And 10 man incursir and infiltrator and two Phobos librarian's. I've been play testing it, so if you have any tips and tricks to use them optimally I'd love to know!
@@gutzyzz1302 Put the Librarians in the eliminator squads, deploy them on a nice high piece of terrain so they can get line of sight to as much of the opponent's army as possible (hopefully within range of an objective though that's not necessary thanks to your infiltrators) and blaze away. The Librarians will keep your eliminators from getting shot at from across the board while the infiltrators keep your back line safe from any deep strike shennanigans. The incursors will "mark targets" with their Multi-spectrum Array and give your whole army +1 to hit against their targets. Hope this helps, but I'd love to know what else you're fielding in your list.
This video really changes my view on the game. I am mainly a guard player and was ready to give up on the game since killing things became very hard since 10th edtion. After watching your tips on army building I realised that guard has many fast and cheap obj takers and I won a game today with almost my entire army dead, but I outscored my opponent big time. I used ratlings and Cadians in Tauroxes as cheap and fast secondary cappers. It was even the first time I used commissars in 10th edition since they can both stop battleshock and increase OC. They way I saw this game was all about who can kill the enemy the fastest and I struggled with my cheap light infantry. Seeing them as expandebale obj takers and how important speed is in this game made a big difference. Thank you, you saved me from giving up on this hobby, that I put so much money into.
I always try to put most of the following in my lists: -anti mass infantry -anti elite infantry -anti tank -something fast to grab ojectives and secondaries -something scary to have a distraction and draw fire
@@gamergotguns1376 Oh, I got that. I just wanted louis to admit they just blurted out the first thing that came to mind, no matter if it fits here or not.
my most competieve list still consists of only Imperial Guard tanks and vehicles, I don't need to worry about any anti mass infantry and can instead just blow up their anti tank, with units that are relatively undercosted
@@Bluecho4 I see that but the cultist play a more important role with them giving a reroll for the khorn roll but also dying to any shooting, and everything is just a little to expensive in we right now
Thanks for this video, I had to learn most of these lessons the hard way (f.ex. having too much main damage and then having to use a good part of them for secondaries/home objectives)
I like that you say this but Custodes just went "Naw" and through all of their points into Damage Dealers (Melee) and Main Objective Holders. None of their units synergize real well with the others they all just do well singularity and their ability to do secondaries is entirely based on which secondary pops up.
Then there was Votann that struggles to do any of these reliably xD I feel like we have the ability to output good damage with some units, but swingy... Maybe bikes for secondaries haha
As a templar play I have found that charging up helbrecht with a 19 man sword bro squad in land raider does the business to out a unit and half of necrons in the following fight phase after disembarking and charging into them
The way Sisters of Battle has basically none of these except probably synergy units… Primary Objective holders: the only sensible option in the index are Battle Sisters but a squad of them is really pricey for how fragile and combat ineffective at long range they are (110 pts) Secondary Objectives: Only two logical choices here: Dominions with their scout move (130 points for 10 models) or Seraphim or Zephyrim aka our only source of deep strike (70 points for 5 or 140 for 10) but it’s hard to include enough of these for them to be effective due to again, how fragile they are or without including Celestine (150 points) for the heals Damage dealers: again are generally way overcosted for how low their damage output is. It’s hard to justify Morvenn leading paragon warsuits (375 points total) when you could just as easily include two Castigators Idk…my point isn’t that points buffs are the only thing that’s gonna fix Sisters but it would go a long way. That and some better options for unit sizes for Battle Sisters
Guard is traditionally the army with the cheap objective holders and damage dealers, and... that's kind of it. Which explains why it's either decent to good, with _withering_ amounts of firepower; or flat-out bad. It just lacks most of these roles and has to make-do with "the opponent will _also_ lack those roles (via me killing them)".
Im New and Have some Space Marines Minis, and will Paint them over the next months, i quite like it, but im worried about balancing my army, because i have absolutly no Plan on how mutch of witch type i need
Loving Inceptors right now. 115 pts for 3, being able to deep strike p much anywhere and ignoring the majority of enemy screening, doing some pretty good damage and having that sweet sweet gravis armor. They’re the sauce
My best unit is my Assault Guardian Squad led by a Warlock. 13 move+run every turn with the 'lock ability, with sticky objectives and assault on all weapons, plus the 5++. They even one-shot Guilliman once with their fusion guns, lol.
I feel like Drukari are missing a lot of this and the options they do have like Mandrakes feel weak. Maybe for 70 points they're worth a 5-man if only for the re-deploy. Drukhari are not terrible at contesting objectives as warriors have OC2 and once an objective is captured they hold it even if they leave. Raiders and natural high movement rate make getting there easy, it's surviving afterwards that's the issue. I'm leaning towards a list that is heavy on infantry, particularly scourges, warriors and playing more of a gun line style (26 dark lances in 2k point list) with Wyches and Lelith as a counter attacking melee threat, I'll have to think about the mandrakes.
what we need in Tau is ANTI-TANK on our Railguns, Chain Effect for the Markers lights and give us back the Range that we need. GW said TAU is Range expertise .. right now we are just the same as other armies with our range BRAVO GW BRAVO !!!
Rather than being durable or killy, what's the best army that can battleshock the opponent? With modifiers and abilities. I mean, it's gotta be easy to outscore your opponent if they can't!
Friend of mine used Chaos Knights, they have a lot of battleshock shenanigans. It actually won the game for him, swung a crucial objective to his control late in the game.
@@stephenhumphreys9149 Nice, I might have to look into it. These videos are all well and good, but if everyone has the same take on the game, there is no counter play. And without any counter play, you can't really balance the meta. It needs some sort of rock, paper, scissors ethos to it so folk have to make decisions on using strats they normally wouldn't etc etc yadda yadda.
@@hellsong23 Realistically though, my friends and I are by no means tournament level players or bother with the meta, so don't necessarily think anything I say would have any impact on that kind of game!
In my opinion, battleshock isn’t quite strong enough to hang your hat on it. But, if I was going to skew that way for some fun, chaos knights are where it’s at. And I’ve considered building up a chaos knight force but their unique armigers are, as always, out of stock.
@@stephenhumphreys9149 Oh, me neither. I just like when people play outside the box of 'this combo kills anything on the table.' Just trying to encourage it is all :)
My main beef with guardians is. I Have to take a 10 man squad. I dont want a big, relatively expensive unit sitting on my back objective, if i could take a 5 man it'd be okay but 10, thats kinda hard to hide and most likely it wont do anything besides sit there.
We’re a little spoiled on Nids as biovores can hold home objective and launch spores for secondaries at a dirt cheep cost. We’re very lacking in synergy though, with only hive tyrant, pyrovores and exocrines offering reasonable buffs
Hive tyrant seems overcosted for the buff it provides imo. Over 300 points to bring the fella because you have to take guard if you don't want him shot dead turn 1.
You've also got Venomthropes, which are still alright for keeping Warriors alive. You can also use them with a leader (i.e. any of the Tyrants) that's being bodyguarded by an infantry unit and still get the full buff.
Scourges are amazing, hellions imo are better than reavers but reavers have their place for them being so cheap. Mandrakes are really good for secondaries like EOAF, BEL etc. and if youre focusing wyches I would def bring 10 man squads with succubus' and Lelith in raiders.
Just take a baneblade does everything 3d6 str 12 ap2 dam 3 plus demoliisher cannon plus 4 lascannon plus 6 twin heavy bolters plus autocannon and a stubber just for lols
Is different unit types some kind of Joke I am too chivalrous and knightly to understand? Big Robots go Stomp Stomp, and then I win or I lose. Good times.
It's a unit that you use to prevent your enemy from deploying on the board (usually units with the "Deep Strike" ability), just park the unit and nothing can be set up on the board 9'' from it, get some cheap units and get them 9'' from each other and the enemy cannot place their deep striking units.
That's the best way of describing why Grey knights suck. They don't have any of those things. No cheap home Objective unit. Closest is a 5 man strike squad but that's literally doing nothing else and cannot do anything else while doing that job. Small secondary scoring units are also not really a thing in the GK wheelhouse. Servitors are 50 points but obsec 0 and need a 100point character to do... anything at all. Maybe a small inceptors squad with their move, shoot move thing but they are so damn expensive and they do nothing but move good. Big hitting units you would think that the literal daemon hunter chapter of space marines would be good for but nope. They have water pistols and some okay melee weapons for elite infantry only. Nothing for dealing with armour. Nothing for opening up hard target infantry like terminators. They can deal some damage to light infantry and are pretty okay in melee vs middle grade armour. But that's it. Blunt, very specialised, very restricted general damage. The only thing the GK kind of do is synergies, but only the synergy of squad get good because leader do a buff. You can make a squad deal better with hordes (not the problem they have) with a Brother Captain, wound easier with a chaplain or have a defensive buff (voltan is my dude) but that's again, kind of it. The Grandmaster is a particularly bullpoop debuffed unit for some reason. Regular, average space marine captain get his special once per battle CP discount, but they do it every turn for a cheaper points value. So it's not so much decent synergies it's basically they get perfectly normal leaders that everyone gets and nothing else. So out of the 4 categories here they kind of cover half of one.
@@jurgenwurgen3239 Literally every Imperium army has access to those. Allied units patch the hole, but if you wanted your army to be one particular thing telling people to patch it with a different thing entirely isn't very helpful.
I don't know what's worse, the fact you feel the need to state every army should have these incredibly basic units or the fact that you're right in saying it and not every army has them.
I'm going to be honest: yes and no. A well balanced list is strong in the ideal, but sometimes going hard in on a game plan is better. And the well rounded all comers list can be countered by lists that don't care about anti-vehicle or anti-horde.
I hate how they've gone Age of Sigmar. List building used to be exciting. I had mixed numbers of NOBZ and Burna Boyz for a fkn reason! Squeezed fellas in. Now its so lame. I'm not buying a paint or model again. I'm with Mordian. How could they refresh the game with great new clean rule writing and then screw it up so badly by changing everything. It's still just as unbalanced!
10th edition anti-vehicle rant There's rarely any anti-vehicle melee in 10th edition. Custodian guard used to eat Rhinos in melee... now? I feel like everything has lost anti-vehicle capability because of toughness rebalances. Vehciles are like, way harder to wound now. Plasma guns are strength 7 and 8 on overcharge, Melta is flat 8 strength with good damage... but many vehicles are Toughness 9 to 12. Only landspeeders, walkers and bikes are threatened by plasma these days. I'm salty I own a lot of plasma. I haven't killed a vehicle this edition without a lascannon. Idk maybe my rant is off, but like I miss vehicles being challenged by strong melee units and specialist weapons fire. I feel like all my modeled and magnetized combi-weapon options (I painted all the options too) are now all lame generic 4 strength anti-infantry bolters with no variety. Big sad. I will be enjoying Kill Team 1 again. Rant concluded. I also have beef with the twin-linked rule reducing total number of shots too. If I have two of the same guns, I should be shooting two guns. But that's a rant for another comment section.
I agree with a lot of what you have said (most melee infantry is utter garbage in 10th unless you have access to some way of improving criticals and access to lethal hits or maybe devastating wounds), but removing double shots for twin-linked weapons was a good move. The game needed less devastating weapons, including reducing the insane rate of fire many models had in 9th. With regard to weapons like plasma, I don't mind some weapons being differentiated to work best against lighter armour and heavy infantry, and I don't mind vehicles being more durable than they were in 9th, where unless you had an invul save a vehicle was usually a liability. What I do think is stupid is massively increasing vehicle survivability, restricting what unit types can realistically harm vehicles AND THEN totally de-restricting list building so every army can easily spam vehicles (or monsters). The lack of thought behind that is just mind-boggling.
I agree with a lot of what you said. However, for a decent amount of armies there is at least one melee unit that can wreck vehicles. Space Marines have two primarchs, WE have Angron, DG has Mortiarian, Tsons has Magnus, Chaos marines have Abaddon, there's Khorne Lord of Skulls, Aeldar have Avatar of Khaine and the big wraith unite, Necrons have C'tan, Daemons have greater daemons, Orks have those gorkanaught things, etc. But, some armies don't have any good anti vehicle melee. Also, the new plastic knight lancer is probably a decent option for adding in to an imperium or chaos list.
@@doublethebenjamin8185 notice that almost every option you listed is a monster? Out of the units you listed, only Abaddon is infantry, and he is an epic hero. Infantry melee has been severely nerfed in 10th.
I agree with the principle of infantry melee kinda sucks now. And I hate that because that’s literally all Templars are. Space marine melee isn’t just bad against vehicles, it’s bad against….everything. My local scene has gone all higher toughness so I’m seeing Custodes infantry, and tyranid monster mash. It’s so bad that I’m probably not buying anymore space marines for that crusade, unless they wow me with the jump assault primaris having all power fists or something. Gladiators are out of print for the edition with how stupid good they are, nothing else really delivers, and our infantry can’t punish anything anymore. Im even looking at vehicles for my thousand sons because the whombo combo isn’t enough to win except against maybe knights because you’re only deleting one thing a turn and have to put all the eggs in one basket to do it.
You certainly have enough damage dealing there and that list will be a pain to take down. You might want to consider replacing one thunderwolf character with some cheap secondary grabbing units. The ultra competitive ones right now are exaction squads; but they will be "corrected for" in the next points update so you might need an alternative.
@@nicholasharmer7415 really can't. Wolfguard Battle leader gives everything Lethal Hits is an enhancement holder, that's a +4 Str /+4 Attacks per model in squad. Harald Deathwolf provides Devastating Wounds to all wolfs, that's a 40 attacks with it. Our damage profiles are A5/S7/AP-2/D2 [Lethal,Devastating], A8/S8/AP-3/D3 [Lethal], A7/S7/AP-3/D3 [Lethal], A6/S7/AP-2/2 [Lethal]. Most conservative estimate will be 14W from wolf attacks and 27W from riders attacks on a T13/SV2+.
@@MountainKing88771 yeah, i am aware of this problem. Doesn't really matter vs Towering. Mobility thou, advance and charge on a 10" unit with 4+ invul.
At this point if you want to win you just bring Eldar and any unit with wraith in their name, along with Farseers for dice farming. Then you just win because GW really sucks at this.
Indirect fire is definitely good for whittling down. Unless you're desolators... Then it's good for absolutely deleting units with no risk or interaction. GG GW.
Spicy, sweet, bitter, and umami
And the salty is my tears when my opponent tables me
The four genders.
Frankly I've had enough of players eating my models.
@@nickhall3111stop playing against tyranids then
@@matthewclements3476 found the slaanesh player
*Gazes wistfully at the two Land Raider Crusaders loaded with anti-vehicle melee units*
Balance, you say?
The way it was meant to be played!
@@Dagenham_Swish It definitely helps that Fists have some nasty anti-vehicle synergy. 18+6D6 shots with lethal hits, and the 18 have twin linked for bonus, it a bit silly. I've solo'd a Knight with Garadon as well, which led to another Knight committing all of it's shots into vaporizing him.
@@shadowmancy9183 "I've solo'd a Knight with Garadon as well, which led to another Knight committing all of it's shots into vaporizing him."
These are the moments I play 40k for, love it!
Anti vehicle melee doesn’t exist in 10th from what I’ve seen
@@timunderbakke8756 thunder hammers would disagree...devestating wounds is a thing and can melt a vehicle with relative ease, but at the end of the day, it's all in the dice.
As someone new to the hobby and getting ready for their first games your videos are incredibly digestible and have made the journey so much easier. Videos like this are essential for new players in my opinion. Thanks for the content.
I would disagree with you, but these vids are not essential to a new players. I´ve been into this for 20 years and it has it´s own charm to discover what works for you and what doesn´t. Also vids like these, while quality, are made in certain mindset. Unless you want to play tournaments, you don´t need to always need to bring super optimal units. Take what you like, if you like the model, just play it. It´s good to have some idea about stuff and minis, but what I would recomend, really play what excites you, what seems cool, regardless of how powerful it is on the tabletop.
I've recently found that eliminators with las fusils are the BUSINESS. I had a couple units lying around and wanted to see how they did...Turns out S9, AP-3, D6 damage is really strong when you combine it with Oath of Moment, deathwatch mission tactics and special ammo stratagems. Oh and they get devestating wounds if they don't move...Add a phobos librarian and they can't be shot at more than 12" away. There's so much more you can do with them but I don't want to write more of a novel than I already have.
You've inspired a new list. Building in battlescribe.
Tell me. Because I'm going to my first GT in two weeks and I built a for fun list that's lore accurate to the raptors space marines successor chapter. And I've included two units of 3 las fusilier elimnators. And 10 man incursir and infiltrator and two Phobos librarian's. I've been play testing it, so if you have any tips and tricks to use them optimally I'd love to know!
If you're going for the full stealth/sneaky beaky approach, don't forget a Vindicare Assassin.
Worth. Every. Point.
@@gutzyzz1302 Put the Librarians in the eliminator squads, deploy them on a nice high piece of terrain so they can get line of sight to as much of the opponent's army as possible (hopefully within range of an objective though that's not necessary thanks to your infiltrators) and blaze away. The Librarians will keep your eliminators from getting shot at from across the board while the infiltrators keep your back line safe from any deep strike shennanigans. The incursors will "mark targets" with their Multi-spectrum Array and give your whole army +1 to hit against their targets. Hope this helps, but I'd love to know what else you're fielding in your list.
Would they work well in a Dark Angels army? I want to start collecting DA army while also collecting Tau.
This video really changes my view on the game. I am mainly a guard player and was ready to give up on the game since killing things became very hard since 10th edtion.
After watching your tips on army building I realised that guard has many fast and cheap obj takers and I won a game today with almost my entire army dead, but I outscored my opponent big time.
I used ratlings and Cadians in Tauroxes as cheap and fast secondary cappers. It was even the first time I used commissars in 10th edition since they can both stop battleshock and increase OC.
They way I saw this game was all about who can kill the enemy the fastest and I struggled with my cheap light infantry. Seeing them as expandebale obj takers and how important speed is in this game made a big difference.
Thank you, you saved me from giving up on this hobby, that I put so much money into.
I always try to put most of the following in my lists:
-anti mass infantry
-anti elite infantry
-anti tank
-something fast to grab ojectives and secondaries
-something scary to have a distraction and draw fire
Your clearly not playing votan this edition
@@louisburton9064 I'm not. What is your point?
@@mrheisenberg83his point is Votan is bad, kinda random based off your relevant comment
@@gamergotguns1376 Oh, I got that. I just wanted louis to admit they just blurted out the first thing that came to mind, no matter if it fits here or not.
my most competieve list still consists of only Imperial Guard tanks and vehicles, I don't need to worry about any anti mass infantry and can instead just blow up their anti tank, with units that are relatively undercosted
Gonna use this for my kroot army list
*Laughs in chivalric skew list of massive stompy robots*
Laughs in skew of gains spiky robots
Sad that some army’s only have two of these, WE have damaged dealers and synergy
World Eaters? Because they've got their cultist-equivalents to sit on objectives or run around scoring secondaries. Or, for that matter, Chaos Spawn.
Tau Are stuck on damage and secondary objectives imo
Votann: we have ... Uh..
@@Bluecho4 I see that but the cultist play a more important role with them giving a reroll for the khorn roll but also dying to any shooting, and everything is just a little to expensive in we right now
Yeah this is partly responsible for the issues WE have.
Thanks for this video, I had to learn most of these lessons the hard way (f.ex. having too much main damage and then having to use a good part of them for secondaries/home objectives)
I like that you say this but Custodes just went "Naw" and through all of their points into Damage Dealers (Melee) and Main Objective Holders. None of their units synergize real well with the others they all just do well singularity and their ability to do secondaries is entirely based on which secondary pops up.
This is the earliest I've been to a video coming out.
Then there was Votann that struggles to do any of these reliably xD I feel like we have the ability to output good damage with some units, but swingy... Maybe bikes for secondaries haha
Be custodes, deal damage and control objectives
Throw around 3x2 allarus to do secondaries with 2 tanks and an assassin for shits n gigs
Tldr opponent can’t score if you table them by t3
EVERY ARMY LIST NEEDS THESE FOUR:
Truck Freak
Crazy Ass
*друг*
The Fighter
Thank you for making another video for the community!
Scary Spice, Sporty Spice, Posh Spice and Baby Spice.
Nice to have? Ginger Spice.
As a templar play I have found that charging up helbrecht with a 19 man sword bro squad in land raider does the business to out a unit and half of necrons in the following fight phase after disembarking and charging into them
How are you doing this? Land Raider Crusader only has a 16 person capacity? Also, crusader squads go up to 20, but sword brethren are only 10 man.
@@GhostRaptur yeah auto correct made me type 19 instead of 10 I only put 10 plus the hero in the land raider
The way Sisters of Battle has basically none of these except probably synergy units…
Primary Objective holders: the only sensible option in the index are Battle Sisters but a squad of them is really pricey for how fragile and combat ineffective at long range they are (110 pts)
Secondary Objectives: Only two logical choices here: Dominions with their scout move (130 points for 10 models) or Seraphim or Zephyrim aka our only source of deep strike (70 points for 5 or 140 for 10) but it’s hard to include enough of these for them to be effective due to again, how fragile they are or without including Celestine (150 points) for the heals
Damage dealers: again are generally way overcosted for how low their damage output is. It’s hard to justify Morvenn leading paragon warsuits (375 points total) when you could just as easily include two Castigators
Idk…my point isn’t that points buffs are the only thing that’s gonna fix Sisters but it would go a long way. That and some better options for unit sizes for Battle Sisters
Gw has kneecapped themselves by making powerlevel the only way to list build, but I don't see how you can make a sister much less than 11 points.
Just run 5 20 man primaris crusader squads.
This is the way.
I love 10 man squads of Space Marine Desolators mmhmmm
The local templars player where I am is running two 20s and is absolutely loving it
@@michaelhall-oc4nj those are rookie numbers. You gotta pump those numbers up.
Guard is traditionally the army with the cheap objective holders and damage dealers, and... that's kind of it. Which explains why it's either decent to good, with _withering_ amounts of firepower; or flat-out bad. It just lacks most of these roles and has to make-do with "the opponent will _also_ lack those roles (via me killing them)".
Im New and Have some Space Marines Minis, and will Paint them over the next months, i quite like it, but im worried about balancing my army, because i have absolutly no Plan on how mutch of witch type i need
This is really good!!
Drukhari warriors on ship are both primary takers (sticky objectives even on boat) and secondary scorers(both fast and deepstrike)
Loving Inceptors right now. 115 pts for 3, being able to deep strike p much anywhere and ignoring the majority of enemy screening, doing some pretty good damage and having that sweet sweet gravis armor. They’re the sauce
My best unit is my Assault Guardian Squad led by a Warlock. 13 move+run every turn with the 'lock ability, with sticky objectives and assault on all weapons, plus the 5++. They even one-shot Guilliman once with their fusion guns, lol.
But i doubt they can take any hits
But GW didn't give my faction any synergy or damage units...
Breachers and manipulus will do the trick trust me.
Its almost like you had access to my CZcams search history from Sunday, lol. Thanks!
AT: "You should probably have something to shoot at a distance to keep your army balanced."
World Eaters: "No."
Did anyone else notice the Ghost ark model's main portion was upside down?
Not sure if serious
Death guard list building: do you have mortarion and 3 plagueburst crawlers?, no?, then you don’t have a list
What brushes do you use? He looked great
Two Elminator squads plus an impulsor is lols. Either both squads double shooting with instigators and snipers or objective grabbers
Ok, ok, Im modelling up my inceptors AND my eliminators now, just gotta get them primed
I feel like Drukari are missing a lot of this and the options they do have like Mandrakes feel weak. Maybe for 70 points they're worth a 5-man if only for the re-deploy.
Drukhari are not terrible at contesting objectives as warriors have OC2 and once an objective is captured they hold it even if they leave. Raiders and natural high movement rate make getting there easy, it's surviving afterwards that's the issue. I'm leaning towards a list that is heavy on infantry, particularly scourges, warriors and playing more of a gun line style (26 dark lances in 2k point list) with Wyches and Lelith as a counter attacking melee threat, I'll have to think about the mandrakes.
what we need in Tau is ANTI-TANK on our Railguns, Chain Effect for the Markers lights and give us back the Range that we need.
GW said TAU is Range expertise .. right now we are just the same as other armies with our range BRAVO GW BRAVO !!!
Rather than being durable or killy, what's the best army that can battleshock the opponent? With modifiers and abilities. I mean, it's gotta be easy to outscore your opponent if they can't!
Friend of mine used Chaos Knights, they have a lot of battleshock shenanigans. It actually won the game for him, swung a crucial objective to his control late in the game.
@@stephenhumphreys9149 Nice, I might have to look into it. These videos are all well and good, but if everyone has the same take on the game, there is no counter play. And without any counter play, you can't really balance the meta. It needs some sort of rock, paper, scissors ethos to it so folk have to make decisions on using strats they normally wouldn't etc etc yadda yadda.
@@hellsong23 Realistically though, my friends and I are by no means tournament level players or bother with the meta, so don't necessarily think anything I say would have any impact on that kind of game!
In my opinion, battleshock isn’t quite strong enough to hang your hat on it. But, if I was going to skew that way for some fun, chaos knights are where it’s at. And I’ve considered building up a chaos knight force but their unique armigers are, as always, out of stock.
@@stephenhumphreys9149 Oh, me neither. I just like when people play outside the box of 'this combo kills anything on the table.' Just trying to encourage it is all :)
My main beef with guardians is. I Have to take a 10 man squad. I dont want a big, relatively expensive unit sitting on my back objective, if i could take a 5 man it'd be okay but 10, thats kinda hard to hide and most likely it wont do anything besides sit there.
Good old powerlevel list building.
@@banishedpest115 I started in 8th, could you take smaller squads back then?
How many people are running the Hailstrike + Incursors combo?
We’re a little spoiled on Nids as biovores can hold home objective and launch spores for secondaries at a dirt cheep cost.
We’re very lacking in synergy though, with only hive tyrant, pyrovores and exocrines offering reasonable buffs
Hive tyrant seems overcosted for the buff it provides imo. Over 300 points to bring the fella because you have to take guard if you don't want him shot dead turn 1.
You've also got Venomthropes, which are still alright for keeping Warriors alive. You can also use them with a leader (i.e. any of the Tyrants) that's being bodyguarded by an infantry unit and still get the full buff.
Drukhari guys, got any thoughts? Especially for someone who prefers Covens and Cults over Cabals?
Mandrakes, scourge, Talos and Urien rakarth. Hellions are good but pricey and reavers are useful but don't last for long.
Scourges are amazing, hellions imo are better than reavers but reavers have their place for them being so cheap. Mandrakes are really good for secondaries like EOAF, BEL etc. and if youre focusing wyches I would def bring 10 man squads with succubus' and Lelith in raiders.
Any opinions on best Necron home objective holders?
Warriors, maybe- they _will not die_
Looks at my list, yep 13 Wardogs. I am good
Just take a baneblade does everything 3d6 str 12 ap2 dam 3 plus demoliisher cannon plus 4 lascannon plus 6 twin heavy bolters plus autocannon and a stubber just for lols
Literally releasing every video possible except Space Wolves list 😂
Imo Votann doesn't have affordable units for secondaries or synergy units and that's exactly what they're
Is different unit types some kind of Joke I am too chivalrous and knightly to understand? Big Robots go Stomp Stomp, and then I win or I lose. Good times.
I play guard and black Templars so I can feel both ends of the army spectrum lol
Guard and Custodes are better for feeling both ends of the spectrum lol. I run Custodes.
@@Sweetness71775 I was thinking about the melee focus of BT and the range of guard but yes custodes also works lol
@@FrozenPyro06 Oh lol. I was thinking in terms of how Guard are your average Joes and Custodes are demigods of war.
@@Sweetness71775 totally fair assessment, all good bro
me with my army dude i jsut thought were cool
whats that meme where the kid see's the valorant skins and slams in credit card on the desk...yea, that one...stop it! lol
Asks in Votann... What is this "cheap unit" you speak of?
What’s a screening unit?
It's a unit that you use to prevent your enemy from deploying on the board (usually units with the "Deep Strike" ability), just park the unit and nothing can be set up on the board 9'' from it, get some cheap units and get them 9'' from each other and the enemy cannot place their deep striking units.
Interesting, Is that the term used on the datasheet?@@lucasmarchezim881
@@DJC3350 nope, just like "shaff" it's a term used by the community
@@lucasmarchezim881"chaff"
That's the best way of describing why Grey knights suck.
They don't have any of those things.
No cheap home Objective unit. Closest is a 5 man strike squad but that's literally doing nothing else and cannot do anything else while doing that job.
Small secondary scoring units are also not really a thing in the GK wheelhouse. Servitors are 50 points but obsec 0 and need a 100point character to do... anything at all. Maybe a small inceptors squad with their move, shoot move thing but they are so damn expensive and they do nothing but move good.
Big hitting units you would think that the literal daemon hunter chapter of space marines would be good for but nope. They have water pistols and some okay melee weapons for elite infantry only. Nothing for dealing with armour. Nothing for opening up hard target infantry like terminators. They can deal some damage to light infantry and are pretty okay in melee vs middle grade armour. But that's it. Blunt, very specialised, very restricted general damage.
The only thing the GK kind of do is synergies, but only the synergy of squad get good because leader do a buff. You can make a squad deal better with hordes (not the problem they have) with a Brother Captain, wound easier with a chaplain or have a defensive buff (voltan is my dude) but that's again, kind of it.
The Grandmaster is a particularly bullpoop debuffed unit for some reason. Regular, average space marine captain get his special once per battle CP discount, but they do it every turn for a cheaper points value.
So it's not so much decent synergies it's basically they get perfectly normal leaders that everyone gets and nothing else.
So out of the 4 categories here they kind of cover half of one.
oh so you have never heard of 2x exation + 1x Callidus
@@jurgenwurgen3239 Literally every Imperium army has access to those. Allied units patch the hole, but if you wanted your army to be one particular thing telling people to patch it with a different thing entirely isn't very helpful.
Sisters are lacking most of these. Go figure 🤨
I don't know what's worse, the fact you feel the need to state every army should have these incredibly basic units or the fact that you're right in saying it and not every army has them.
I love see them golden boys in the thumbnail. Makes me click every time.
They’re broken AF, it’s like saying you like seeing Shaq dunk on toddlers.
Much as I love my golden boys, yeah, Custodes are one of the least fun armies to play against.
Emperor's finest 🌠
@@ReaverEternalYeah, because I keep tabling them. Not fun for them, or me.
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I'm going to be honest: yes and no. A well balanced list is strong in the ideal, but sometimes going hard in on a game plan is better. And the well rounded all comers list can be countered by lists that don't care about anti-vehicle or anti-horde.
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I hate how they've gone Age of Sigmar. List building used to be exciting.
I had mixed numbers of NOBZ and Burna Boyz for a fkn reason!
Squeezed fellas in. Now its so lame. I'm not buying a paint or model again. I'm with Mordian. How could they refresh the game with great new clean rule writing and then screw it up so badly by changing everything. It's still just as unbalanced!
10th edition anti-vehicle rant
There's rarely any anti-vehicle melee in 10th edition. Custodian guard used to eat Rhinos in melee... now? I feel like everything has lost anti-vehicle capability because of toughness rebalances. Vehciles are like, way harder to wound now.
Plasma guns are strength 7 and 8 on overcharge, Melta is flat 8 strength with good damage... but many vehicles are Toughness 9 to 12. Only landspeeders, walkers and bikes are threatened by plasma these days. I'm salty I own a lot of plasma.
I haven't killed a vehicle this edition without a lascannon. Idk maybe my rant is off, but like I miss vehicles being challenged by strong melee units and specialist weapons fire. I feel like all my modeled and magnetized combi-weapon options (I painted all the options too) are now all lame generic 4 strength anti-infantry bolters with no variety. Big sad. I will be enjoying Kill Team 1 again. Rant concluded.
I also have beef with the twin-linked rule reducing total number of shots too. If I have two of the same guns, I should be shooting two guns. But that's a rant for another comment section.
Kill Team 1? The game so broken they ditched all the rules and unit-building in 2.0? That's fine but 10th isnt?
I agree with a lot of what you have said (most melee infantry is utter garbage in 10th unless you have access to some way of improving criticals and access to lethal hits or maybe devastating wounds), but removing double shots for twin-linked weapons was a good move. The game needed less devastating weapons, including reducing the insane rate of fire many models had in 9th.
With regard to weapons like plasma, I don't mind some weapons being differentiated to work best against lighter armour and heavy infantry, and I don't mind vehicles being more durable than they were in 9th, where unless you had an invul save a vehicle was usually a liability. What I do think is stupid is massively increasing vehicle survivability, restricting what unit types can realistically harm vehicles AND THEN totally de-restricting list building so every army can easily spam vehicles (or monsters). The lack of thought behind that is just mind-boggling.
I agree with a lot of what you said. However, for a decent amount of armies there is at least one melee unit that can wreck vehicles. Space Marines have two primarchs, WE have Angron, DG has Mortiarian, Tsons has Magnus, Chaos marines have Abaddon, there's Khorne Lord of Skulls, Aeldar have Avatar of Khaine and the big wraith unite, Necrons have C'tan, Daemons have greater daemons, Orks have those gorkanaught things, etc. But, some armies don't have any good anti vehicle melee. Also, the new plastic knight lancer is probably a decent option for adding in to an imperium or chaos list.
@@doublethebenjamin8185 notice that almost every option you listed is a monster? Out of the units you listed, only Abaddon is infantry, and he is an epic hero. Infantry melee has been severely nerfed in 10th.
I agree with the principle of infantry melee kinda sucks now. And I hate that because that’s literally all Templars are.
Space marine melee isn’t just bad against vehicles, it’s bad against….everything. My local scene has gone all higher toughness so I’m seeing Custodes infantry, and tyranid monster mash.
It’s so bad that I’m probably not buying anymore space marines for that crusade, unless they wow me with the jump assault primaris having all power fists or something. Gladiators are out of print for the edition with how stupid good they are, nothing else really delivers, and our infantry can’t punish anything anymore.
Im even looking at vehicles for my thousand sons because the whombo combo isn’t enough to win except against maybe knights because you’re only deleting one thing a turn and have to put all the eggs in one basket to do it.
Space Wolves (2000 points), Gladius Task Force
- Bjorn the Fell-Handed (Helfrost cannon, Warlord)
- 1x1 Primaris Techmarine
- 1x10 Desolation Squad (Vengor, Superkrak) + Primaris Apothecary (Bolter Discipline)
- 2x1 Gladiator Lancer
- 2x1 Redemptor Dreadnought (Plasma, Onslaught, Twin Storm Bolter)
- 1x6 Thunderwolf Cavalry (Shields) + Wolf Guard Battle Leader on Thunderwolf (The Honour Vehement, Relic Weapon, Shield) + Harald Deathwolf
- 1x1 Whirlwind
- Objectives: Bjorn + Redemptors due to their tankiness and healing from Techmarine. Also Bjorn's Vect come in handy.
- Synergy: Techmarine for Bjorn healing/shooting.
- Back line / Screening: Desolators + Whirlwind + 1/2 Gladiator Lancer.
- Damage dealers: Desolators + Thunderwolf Cavalry.
You certainly have enough damage dealing there and that list will be a pain to take down. You might want to consider replacing one thunderwolf character with some cheap secondary grabbing units. The ultra competitive ones right now are exaction squads; but they will be "corrected for" in the next points update so you might need an alternative.
@@nicholasharmer7415 really can't. Wolfguard Battle leader gives everything Lethal Hits is an enhancement holder, that's a +4 Str /+4 Attacks per model in squad. Harald Deathwolf provides Devastating Wounds to all wolfs, that's a 40 attacks with it. Our damage profiles are A5/S7/AP-2/D2 [Lethal,Devastating], A8/S8/AP-3/D3 [Lethal], A7/S7/AP-3/D3 [Lethal], A6/S7/AP-2/2 [Lethal]. Most conservative estimate will be 14W from wolf attacks and 27W from riders attacks on a T13/SV2+.
@@CPyJIb Good luck actually getting 8 TWC models all onto target around any terrain though.
@@MountainKing88771 yeah, i am aware of this problem. Doesn't really matter vs Towering. Mobility thou, advance and charge on a 10" unit with 4+ invul.
At this point if you want to win you just bring Eldar and any unit with wraith in their name, along with Farseers for dice farming. Then you just win because GW really sucks at this.
You really have no understanding of Orks.
Indirect fire is definitely good for whittling down. Unless you're desolators... Then it's good for absolutely deleting units with no risk or interaction. GG GW.