Consider This When Buying Reels for Surf Fishing Rods
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
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No fishing today, just hanging out with my family and replacing a reel that is a bit small for the rod that I have currently. I'm visiting J&M Tackle in Orange Beach to make my selection and get spooled up!
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Remember you make your living by being a surf fishing guide, so the new reel and beach cart is a tax write off.
I believe that word you're looking for is "leverage".
Agreed, I have most of my rods custom rebuilt. In fact I have paired some of my 11 ft rods with the 8000 series, you want to talk about leverage you can't beat it. This might be a bit of a over kill in some situations but it's nice to know it's there.
Yep, combination of leverage and gear ratio. Need longer handles and bigger knobs for bigger fish and more weight on the line.
Change the tires on your current cart. You can then make a video or two about the cart rehab process.
And then you can take the price difference and get another new reel.
I like the cart rehab video idea.
Ed Fishes correct Lowe’s and Home Depot have axles and wheels
I am a Shimano owner by heart. I have quite a few models and several models of Stradic which I love. But I got a Slammer 3 3500 and recently bought a Slammer 4 5500. I think those i use for throwing cut baits for bigger fish purely because they weigh more (they break your arm casting big spoons all day) and they have a stronger drag. I have caught many big fish on the Stradic and have no issue casting lures/spoons/bait all day.
What's up Bama, sure you dont remember me, I did a trip with you in May. I am the one who give you the Michelin hat. As you know I live in Tx and when I am in gulf shores I always make it a point to stop by J&M and do all my dealings with Andy. You are 100% spot on when you say he is the nicest coolest guy to work with. Very helpful and answers all questions. 95% of my gear is from them. I might be hitting you up for another trip 1st week of Oct. Great video.
Ive got the long cast version 6500. With 20lb, 9 strand braid and 65 lb shock leader i can cast 140 yds with a clip down rig. That will usually put you on the beach side of the third bar with a little wading your out over the third bar. Sometimes thats the only place I can get a bite especially at low tide.
Fun video ... nice family
If your cart is still solid buy new tires ... if you hunt you'll find em ... I have a similar cart and custom cut plywood then painted for 2 removable bottoms ... BIG useablity improvement
Like the reel shopping ... used to do same but recently started buying near new old model Garcias ... with proper care they last a lifetime
Love your business model
Be frugal
Stay honest
Stay out of debt
Make it about families
Amen brother
I, have been surf fishing for several years and purchased the junior beach cart with the thin rubber tires. Had a hard time getting through soft sand. So I replaced the tires with the wheel ease soft rubber tires. Best money I, ever spent! The cart floats over soft sand. The large cart you showed in the video is a great deal with the gray rubber tires. I am 74 years old and could not pull the cart with the old tires. Buy the one with the large gray tires you will not regret it. Thanks Jerry. From Jacksonville, FL.
For the cart, go with the biggest one that fits in your SUV. For the reel word you missed. I think it's leverage. Bigger handles means better leverage.
Bought the bigger cart with the orange wheels just before summer and it has been a life saver on the soft sand here in NC. I put plastic grated sheeting on the bottom and it stops smaller items falling through. Picked the sheeting up in Lowes, I believe it's used for suspended ceilings.
Also have the same model 4Runner and the cart fits in with the back seats down. Will not fit sideways because of the wheel arches in the trunk.
You have a lovely family. A Real Treasure in life.
Little did Mathew know he would someday be blessed with owning a tackle store in his name brand and have the development of fishing rod. Truly blessed. Thank you, Jesus.
I swapped out the treaded black tire wheels on my cart for the big gray plastic balloon wheels. It was a hassle to do but it now rolls like a dream in the sand. If I had it to do over, I’d get that Senior model with the bigger wheels. Hope it fits in your vehicle.
Great video, I love Spinnfisher Reels. I have 2 4000 Spinfisher V and 1 5500 SpinfisherVI. I am still trying to break it in with a big fish,it will happen one of these days. I have my Spinfisher VI on a 7 foot Ugly Stick, also one of my favorite poles. I enjoy watching your videos. Keep up the good work. Ugly Stick poles are great poles,and they are not to expensive.
Do you think the Penn Spinfisher reel being around 11oz a bit heavy? I still have the 3500, but have got a Daiwa Saltist Black Bay 3000 @ 9oz which is on my 8'2 Phenix Black Chrome ML for Surf Fishing in California.
@@Secrimsoc I have a spinfisher vi 5500 on a 7 ft Ugly Stick, and it is well balanced. The Spinfisher VI 5500 weighs 18.5 ounces. I think 11 oz is is a good size,because it is light;and it is easy to cast and retrieve lures and bait without to much stress on your wrists and arms.
You seem like a well-versed fisherman..........Need to ask you a question: When Bama Beach Bum was getting the line put on his new reel, the guy in the store first put on some heavy braided line (20-30 lb.) and then tied on some lighter line and finished filling the spool with that. Question: Why do they add the lighter line at the end....???.....50-100 yds.......??? Why don't they use the 20-30 lb. braided line from start to finish. Appreciate your input.
I don’t know if anybody has mentioned this, but I think the small cart was mis-tagged. It had the same description and price as the large cart. Love your channel!
The new Penn Live Line is a wicked reel with dual drag system
I went with the Spinfisher 4500, too small (to me) for even a 9 foot rod, at some point I'll drop the hammer on a 6500. But I love the Spinfisher, the 4500 on a 7 foot rod for close-in whiting and pomp is sweet!
What 7 footer do you pair your 4500 with?
@@bltedder I went with an Ugly Stik light, cork handle medium action. Not the best rods in the world, but I wade fish for the most part, in surf, and they hold up well with a clean water rinse.
I have a 6500 ll on a 9 ft st croix and it works great for the surf I put the 4500 ll on an 8.5 ft elite Shakespeare they are both very versatile outfits fresh/saltwater - surf etc.
Beach Bum, you make a living fishing. You got to spend money to make money. Get what makes your job easier. Keep up the great videos I love them.
kevin neel in principle no argument here, but you don’t have to over spend $$$ to make money. In fact being sensible with outgoing expenses also adds to the “making money” bottom line. ... And new isn’t always better.
@@strichards5337 If you would look I said what ever makes makes your job easier. If spending a little more to get a better cart then that is what I was talking about. No worries.
Thank you for another great video. I have the senior cart with the orange tires. I like it, but I would prefer to have the option of wheels with some kind of bearing or bushing where it sits on the axle. I can see that the inside of the hub is starting to wear. Having said that, it will carry all you would need for a day on the beach.
I recently bought a pair of Shimano Ultegra XTC Ci4+ reels for surf fishing. They are very light & have the deeper spool with a slow oscillation that gives great line lay on the spool. These really give great casting distance compared to other spinning reels that I have.
Torque would be the word I believe you’re looking for. Keep doing what you do brother. Absolutely LOVE the content from both you and Kyle(for awhile). From right up the road in Loxley, AL. See ya out there.
Torque is a good word for your issue. Cart.....if $$$ is a concern, just buy new axles & the gray tires. Tight lines, Matt!
For the win!
I have the orange tire one, works fine for me. As far as loading in your vehicle, the tires/axle are held on with hitch pins; take them off and it's much easier to transport.
I pull an Rtic 45 full of 16 lbs of ice, 7 rods, a tackle box. 2 10 pound chairs, and a beach umbrella when I go fishing with the senior cart. It does not give me any trouble and rolls just fine over the sand. With your Coleman cooler that shaves off about 25 pounds right there and you wont even know your pulling it.
Once you get balloon tires you will never go back I promise you.
I love Penn reels too but, i fell in love with the Okuma X8 Surf reel 44Lb drag totally sealed can used under water.
I woulda thought with your heavy use and sandy environment youd be upgrading to Penn Slammer reels. Durability becomes profitability. Not to mention double the drag strength for when a monster gets you.
On a side note I found out last weekend that they actually will allow your cart to float. Didn't realize how deep the water was getting behind me at Park West. As the tide came in.I had a choice to walk about a quarter-mile up to beach to get to some dry land or pull it through the water. Much to my surprise it actually floated across the water as I pulled it
I'm frugal, I would modify the cart you have, and save the cash for something else. I work in manufacturing and we put pneumatic wheels on the equipment we build. Looks like Walmart sells pneumatic beach wheels for $10-$18 each, the hub may already match your axle diameter. Pop a wheel off your cart and measure the diameter of your axle. Use this to source your new tires. If you decide to upgrade the wheels yourself, one thing you may run into is that you have to also change out the axle. It's really simple. I can probably mail you an axle free of charge if the diameter matches what i have, most common for cart equipment is 1/2" and 5/8". Inbox me if you need anything... Also, i'm going to Destin in 2 weeks, plan to do some beach fishing. Learning a lot from your videos. I can bring an axle down with me if you're in the area and fix your cart in 20 minutes. Ayy what model Costa sunglasses do you have? Are they the fantails??
You should do a give away for the old reel... So I'll take it lol even come pick it up... Really though you should do a giveaway with it, I'm sure no one will complain. Great videos and great advice...
I have the grey tires and love it!! It glides on top of the sand perfectly.
How well do the tires hold up to parking lots? Sometimes we have to go block or so before we hit the sand.
Pat McDermott so far so good. I would just keep an eye on the pavement to make sure you don’t run over any sharp objects. But it rolls perfectly fine. We’ve taken mine out multiple times and had zero issues.
Yep, grey tires. But they will still sink into soft sand with heavy weight on them. There is no perfect cart.
Some stores will charge high $$$$ for just buying separate "upgraded wheel/tires" package. The pricing for a new cart is better overall at $299. As others have said the SR. cart is bigger for sure...hope it fits for you. I have the same SR cart with the grey wheel/tires...works like a champ. I can load it up pretty good with too much stuff and still roll to the beach pretty easily. Maybe search around for the better price but $299 is great. For the reel: As others have said you want more leverage which equates to torque. The 5500 you bought will have roughly the same line retrieval rate 39" per turn but it's going to be "easier" in a sense due to handle length. The better thought is line capacity....SO much more over the 4500. Not that you need or put 500yds of 20lb on there BUT it's there if you need it. Awesome Fam-day video and technical/logistical conversation on that BeachBum life. Keep reelin'!!
Dude you just need to replace axle and tires, cause you're bart is just fine 👊🎣
Jim'' bart is short for bad cart'',. 👊🎣
Gear Ratio is the term you are looking for . 4500 has 6.2:1 5500 has 5.6:1 Love your videos. I have learned a lot from your surf fishing experience . Keep em coming. Sr cart with the orange tires.
I have the FishNMate Jr. cart, and I got the sand tire/axle kit for about $165 a year or so ago from Wheel Eze. In my opinion, a smaller cart keeps you from carrying stuff you don't really need.
Thanks for dragging us along. Haven't seen you in awhile. Next time you go to the dinner get the shrimp and grits can't beat it. Look up just the tires and axle might be substantially cheaper.
Happily running a 3000 stradic on a light 10'. No issues
Senior cart, gray wheels - heavy favorite on east coast Florida among every day surf crowd especially guides and some commercial guys I see sometimes slumming it with carts
Definitely get the bigger tires. Personal experience with both.
Andy there at J&M sold me my Penn setup after my Walmart combo broke, the guys there are super helpful and patient with once a year tourist like me!
I have been researching replacing my cart tires and the conclusion I’ve come to is to buy Wheeleez gray tires and axle. I live in Collierville, TN, so whenever I head to the shore I remove the tires, and I’ll remove the axle if necessary, in order to fit the cart, etc, into my SUV. Yes it is not the most convenient, but it is no big chore to reattach everything when I get to the beach. Good luck with your decision and your new reel.
Agreed on new balloon tires and axle. Balloon tires float across soft sand and pull so much easier. But larger is better in a cart.
I can relate when you have to spend money on gear buying online to save money. However when I can I try to buy local even if I spend $20-30 more. Now you start talking $80-100 more then I have to do what's best for the wallet and the family. Good video.
I was just there on vacation. When I retire from army in a few years I’m moving down!! Can’t wait!! Love your videos, thanks to all your advice, I caught a ton of fish while I was there and can’t wait to go back next year!!
Not sure if you’ve already purchased a cart. I have both an orange tire cart and a regular black tire cart. When I weigh down my carts with ice in the cooler, I hate pulling the orange cart thru the sand. I choose the black tires over the orange tires. if just pulling light gear the orange is better. I’m not sure if my tire pressure is wrong, but that has been my experience.
Wife and Daughter are adorable. Always enjoy seeing the happy family. So you've already purchased but I think you made the right decision... I have a 4 wheel cart with the big gray tires but wish I had the 2 wheel. "LEVERAGE".
I fish with primarily vintage surf spinning reels. Out of around 50 reels in my collection only 2 or 3 might be considered modern spinning reels. I happen to love my Penn Z reels and my old Greenies. I also use several Daiwa reels a lot - the silver series 7000C and an older Emblem X 5500T. I have the old Mitchell saltwater reels - the 302, 306, 302N, 488 etc. and they are fun. I use Offshore Angler Ocean Master rods primarily. I really like your videos about gear. Up here in NC we have to use heavier rigs and weights, etc. but rods and reels are very similar to what you are using in the Gulf.
Yes, leverage. And I agree that you should just replace the axel and tires...unless you upgrade significantly. Otherwise why pay $300?
Awesome idea for a video... love to see what other people use and hear the pros and cons... great video
Check Craigslist first for beach carts
I’ve had the big cart with orange tires for a year now I can bring all my surf fishing stuff and the wife’s stuff aaaaannnddd all the kids toys, it is great. Lost key bait and tackle in Perdido hooked me up. Got the cart the blue bag insert, cutting table with bait thing and 5 gal bucket holder for around 280$ during a sale.
What a beautiful family.
I went with the Spinfisher 6500 and Battle 6000. My cheaper reel is the Pursuit 6000. I think these are the perfect size for surf, jetty and pier fishing and will cover big reds to Pompano nicely.
Wow. I am glad you did this. On another episode you recommended the piscifun Reel. I bought it. Garbage. It was missing parts and I contacted Piscifun, I had to buy the part that was missing. It took 45 days, it had to come from China. Guess what, it was not the part I ordered. It's been 3 weeks and I'm still waiting for the new part. DO NOT BUY PISCIFUN. Sorry for the caps. So my review on the Reel, because I still use it.. the part I'm missing is the Reel knob keeper. So sometimes the onob falls off. So annoying.. anyway the Reel is Carbon fiber, cool I thought lightweight. Well it flexes when you Reel in anything with size, which makes me think it's going to break. So I paid $80 for a 4000 size Reel and I would rather have a Zebco 33
I love J&m. I hit them up when I’m in town.
Well, you could always custom build a beach cart! Or have a buddy do it, to your specks. Then you could have a receiver bar added to it, so you could just mount it on a receiver on the truck's bumper!
I bought the penn spinfisher VI 10500. Its a beast. I need that 500yards of braid and 50lbs of drag for my shark fishing. It works great. Drag is really smooth. Just wish it made a louder ticking when the drag is running. Got to be watching it or you wont even notice the drag peeling off from the beach.
Matt I have the Orange tires on mine and it's a game changer if your cart is the same size then yes get the axle and tire upgrade but if the other carts are Bigger spring for the extra $$$,you will need it to drag all the extra's to the beach especially when the family joins you … Best of luck and god bless that beautiful baby girl ,,,and you and the wifey LOL
Since you have the Junior cart, you can order the beach wheels and axle, not cheap at around $160. But you get both the orange wheels and axle, the manufacturer claims max load capacity of 200 lbs and it makes the loaded cart feel much lighter. It's cheaper than buying a new cart and the wheels/axle are very easy to change, takes 10 minutes. Don't toss the old wheels since they're perfect for bridges/piers. Check out Tackle Direct, search for "Fish-N-Mate 334 Large Poly Wheel Kit", looks like $149.99. I hope this helps, good luck beach bum!
just change the tires there really isn't much difference to be honest
As for reels I will be frank with you. I would buy a fishing rod and reel every time I entered the fishing hall
and I think the problem you have with the reels is that they are not fast enough
because really the reel only picks up fishing line is not a winche, they are not designed so that you can go out and pull the fish,
the fishing rod is the one that pulls the fish
that's my opinion
I agree 100%. you speak true words,folks should spend more time matching up a rod to whatever reel they use.
You can get a wheel and axle kit for the cart you say you have and save a couple hundred dollars.
Ive been shopping at that store since i was a kid..got a chinese sks from the crate there in the 90s when it was the previous tackle store, Top Gun bait and tackle.
Heck yes, really enjoyed this video! Enjoyed seeing the family, your lovely wife and cute little girl, just having breakfast together just adds an 'every man' feel to your videos. You don't present yourself as a 'know-it-all', scientist-type expert like some channels do, you're just an every day guy like the rest of us, who happens to have a special, hard-earned knowledge of surf fishing and you share that knowledge with us like you're talking to friends or family - I really like that about you and the videos you produce.
I enjoyed going to the tackle shop with you - I'd be like a little kid at Christmas in that store! Enjoyed the 'tutorial' on the reel you bought, and why. But for me, I was especially interested in the beach carts you showed us. Been thinking about getting one myself ... but at $250 - $300, they're just too expensive for me, no more than I would get to use it. I have a small homemade one I'll continue to drag around.
Anyway, didn't mean to run on so long, just really enjoyed this video and wanted you to know it ... and why. Thanks buddy!
I am with Jim. Upgrade your tires
Torque!
...because you have a longer lever length on the reel.
I have the SR with orange tires, I keep my cooler and tackle box in the cart so it’s quite heavy and awkward to load by myself into the back of my truck. I’m going figure out a way to make a trailer hitch attachment that my cart will ride on. Kind of like those devises that disabled people use to carry their electric scooters on. This way you could leave your rods in the cart and down the road you go.
6:55 its called torque. Torque= RxF (radius X force). Longer radius with with same amount of force produces more torque. And the handle is the "lever," which the radius corresponds to
🎣 Always good to see inside fishing tackle shops!
Penn reels, my favorites too! 🎣
If you're interested in a custom cart designed for surf fishing that's 90% aluminum and that's welded, my dad's an engineer and he designed our fishing carts for the surf and pier fishing.
Cutest little daughter ever! Watch out they grow up so fast. Before you know it, grandkids.
weight vs displacement, go with the orange tires. Now check the tires and axle replacement vs buying a new cart good luck
Most reels I own have interchangeable handles. I never throw them away and it has saved the day more than once 😉
Nice little girl from a good family... *Wonderful to see them...!!!
And another well put together Bama Beach Bum video, great work sir 👍🏼
Hey Bama! Changing the tires on a perfectly good cart is something to consider. I don't know much about the Spinfisher, but see if the 5500 handle will fit the 4500. I have a lot of Penn reels from long ago (still work great by the way) and I had gotten 704 handles for my smaller 712 reels. only one drawback on that. Because the bail on the 712 is a spring load, you have to position the bigger handle down otherwise when you cast the weight of the handle makes it drop and close the bail midcast. I lost a few jigs that way but live and learn! All the best to you!
An oversized handle length could over stress the internal gears over time and create an issue. The gear strength is design matched to the OEM handle length.
I bought a Spinfisher 4500 recently and just got back from the beach and managed to caught a 7ft shark out of a 10 yak with the reel while I was after some kings....the 4500 can apply mucho stress to the fish but I do know what you're saying about the handle....I have no problems with my 4500 but know exactly what you're saying about the needs to go to that 5500......fish on brotha! 👍
I have a cart with the black tires on it. It hard to pull on the beach with the weight of cooler and all the rods and tackle. I would suggest the cart with the orange or grey slick tires in my option.
I have the senior cart with the large pneumatic tires and while it works good most of the time it still wants to bog down in the soft sand. But I also carry a heavy load. (70qt cooler, etc, etc). I’ll definitely upgrade to the gray tires when I can.
You have a very beautiful family!. I have two grown daughters and 3 granddaughters so daughters are very close to my heart! Great video! By the way, the orange wheels seem to hold up better in my experience.
I just purchased a Penn Battle 2 5000 and paired it with a 8’ med/heavy Big Water Ugly Stick. It’s loaded with 30lb Power Pro braid. Going to use it mostly for surf and pier fishing. Looking forward to trying it out in a few weeks.
got a similar setup wut is it
P.S. Use only a bicycle/hand pump to fill the tires, they only take 9 or 10 psi.
Buy you a sunny daze utility wagon for 100.00, then pvc pipe and duck tape it to your wagon for less that 130.00 ! That will save you money. 🎣
Get a Labrador to pull the cart play with the kid and protect Mom. And be your fishing buddy. Believe me they do it all. So cool to.
Oh and I like the Albright knot to join Two lines.
Lever is the term you are looking for, you want a longer lever that would produce more torque. The best breakfast spot is a long way down the road from you in Destin called "Another Broken Egg" But don't get eggs get the bananas foster pancakes or the chorizo breakfast burrito.
Im thinking you should custom build your own cart. That way you can design it to fit all your needs. I'll bet you could build a pretty sweet cart.
For the "money" I would go for the cart with the gray wheels, if it will fit in yer truck. If not I'ed go with the third cart with the black tires. Also "saving " you much money ! AS for yer Penn 5500SSVI right on ! A great reel . I have eight Penn reels, from a old 230SS - 8500SSVI. They are all pared with Peen rods and I love em. Never had any fail. The new Peen reals are as good as they get. Price is a bit high,tho compared with some others,a real buy. The last and last. Way to go. Thanks for the best fishing videos also. Tom, Daytona Beach, FL.
I love J&M was down there last weekend. John is always a great help setting us up with the equipment we need
Retrieval rate is the term your loking for
Yep retrieval rate. 4 cranks of the smaller reel equals 2 cranks bigger reel
I was in J&M tackle last summer several times when we were down at Gulf Shores at our family reunion. Lots of cool stuff in there.
Hey Matt, I got my cart (the Sr.) from Academy in Pensacola for $273 but it has the orange wheels. That was the best price i could find local. My brother got the Sr. with the black wheels and now he wishes hadn't. I feel like you, the Gray wheels are the way to go. Keep up the great videos.
It's called " torque"👍😉
Just picked up the jr with orange tires. Used some pvc to add more rod holders. Had the black tires on my last one and it sucked butt pulling thru sand when loaded. Will see how well new tires go this weekend. Got about 150lbs going in cart.
My buddy made one with knobby bike tires works great here on the florida coast.
Big fishing rod means big reel..
Even i don't really like big reels they just shake a little bit,
Small reels feels so much better,
But yeah for surfishing definitely you have to go with a big reel and a big fishing rod..
I think the word “matched/pairing-paired/balanced” comes to mind.
I have the same beach cart, my issue with it is the forward rod holders (near the handle). The bottom of the holder is a piece of red plastic held on with 2 rivets, mine blow out easily and the rod falls through and have ‘almost’ broken the rod from dragging on the sand. $300.00, it should have a sturdier base on the rod holders!
I like the cart other than that one issue.
Get the senior cart, especially if it is the same price as the smaller one. Also that spinfisher 6 is awesome, but one thing is, Peen company put the HT100 drag system on it and took away the Slammer3 drag system off of it like the Spinfisher 5 has . That is the only bummer about the new Spinfisher 6. But catch alot of fish. Thanks for sharing. I'm getting ready to buy myself a new reel also, but I'm going to get a Slammer 3 6500 or Slammer 3 7500. Lots of tuna in CALIFORNIA waters right now. Yea buddy, we down in Cali. Take care.
Old video watching. Lost things do turn up, as soon as you buy a new one!
The gray or orange tires are great. Really easier on the sand. I got the orange ones but since the price is the same, I would got the gray. I have the larger size. I put it sideways inside my van. Works nice. Oh does the gray tires have a valve stem like inter tube? My orange tires have like a beach ball stem. Not the best.
Penn ssvi 5500 weight is 18.5 oz (Ebay from Australia $120), ssv 20.3 oz (Ebay $110), Slammer iii 22.4 oz (Amazon $190). I would go with the 5500 SSVI too.
I use a spinfisher vi 8000 for sturgeon here in British Columbia, good reel and when I can eventually travel to the Mayan Riviera again it will be for chucking cut bait
Torque +2. Wheeleez wheels are the best for the beach. Expensive, but worth it when you are in cardiac arrest dragging a cart through soft sand. Have Wheeleez wheels on my kayak cart.
I'd just get a set of taller and wider tires and you'll have to change the axle but it would be a heck of a lot better than getting soaked for the price of those bigger cart.