Winterfell's Biggest Secret Is Not Jon Snow! | The First Tower
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- Winterfell's Biggest Secret Is Not Jon Snow! | The First Tower
One of the greatest mysteries in Winterfell, it's not about direwolves or the secrets of House Targaryen, but a structure that defies time and history itself. The first keep. This ancient tower is an enigma that has challenged maesters, lords, and outsiders alike. But what would you think if I told you that this mysterious tower could be a connection to magical creatures of the past, and evidence that dragon lords may have been in Winterfell thousands of years ago? What would you think if I told you that the place where Cersei and Jaime were discovered by Bran could hide the secret of this universe? In this video, we'll be talking about the First Keep created in Winterfell. And for more videos from A Song of Ice and Fire universe, don't forget to subscribe to this channel.
Here’s the real secret: the tower is the trunk of the ancient giant weirwood around which Winterfell was built. Winterfell is compared to a stone tree, and it’s said the rooms underground have slopes floors - this is because they are where the roots used to be. Likewise the walls ‘worm ways’ are also the ancient root tracks of the giant tree that used to be there
Interesting theory
Any backing from the books?
@@mpalfadel2008 I think its hinted at and symbolically it works. One part of the symbolism that works is about it being a lightning struck tower. Other youtbers like LML have gone through the 'fire of the gods' symbolism, and weirwoods are often associated with being aflame, or contanitnig fire or magic, and lightning hitting a tree is another emanation of that symbol. Secondarily, Weirwoods represent the world axis, around which the sky revolved, including the sun and moon. Bran climbs the tower (tree/axis) and sees the mating of the sun (jamie) and moon (cersei). This would represent the celestial phenomena that happened before the original long night according to LMLs theory. Bran is then pushed from the tower by the Solar Male, and he falls - so he represents the Comet falling. The Comet fell because the greenseer climbed the forbidden world tree-axis to the celestial plane, and then caused the comet impact. We could say the tower merely represents a tree, but I think its better if it is a tree. I mean, Weirwoods do turn to stone when they die - and we haven't yet had any utilisation of this fact anywhere. We have other mega structures that are wierwood - Nagas bones. We have mysteriously ancient towers who nobody know who built - Hightower which is white and Pike which is white (because it turned white through salt apparently, but this could be misdirection). The Sea Towers crown is black fomr the nightly watch fire (fire crown), the high tower has a fire on top (fire crown), weirwoods have red leaves (fire crown) and the winterfell tower was struck by lightning (fire crown).... I also think the tower of Joy was a weirwood - it makes symbolic sense. Within the weirwood (consciousness) the ice/fire baby born of death emerges. A dead ice woman entered the weirwood where she was lost - this relates to Nissa Nissa theories. The Tower of Joy (weirwood tower) sent out warriors clad in white (the kingsguard are like the others here) to defend it, and defined the ice-woman inside. I could go on but here's another thing to consider - Martin wrote Elder Ring which revolves around a massive tree - and there are smaller younger offspring of this tree around the place. The plot of Elder Ring involves the destruction of this great tree.
Well done good sir... I like this theory, and all of the evidence you point to is very convincing
I'm on board with this theory, good explanation.
A few things, Bran the Builder raised both the Wall and the original stronghold of Winterfell. If the frst tower was part of that, which we know it was from Bran's Three Eyed Raven dreams, we know theyre roughly the same age. This is During the Age of Heros, which is after the Long Night, and therefore way after the Civilization of the Dawn (the first dragon riders).
We know Bran stark raised the Wall, helped build Storms End, and helped raise the high Tower. This tells us that the earliest Winterfell is roughly the same age as the Wall. Since its GRRM names have meaning, and the same way that Storms End is the place where the Sea God and the Wind Goddess' storm failed to break the castle raised by Bran. It seems probable that Winterfell is the location where a similarly significant event transpired, likely the defeat of the Others (hence the army of Winter fell). After said defeat, Bran would go on to raise the wall to prevent another encroachment south by the Others. Ergo, Winterfell's first tower probably older than the wall.
The Maester who attempted to date the tower argued that the construction of the tower was too advanced for the first men, but Bran the builder wasnt an Andel, he was of the first men. So that conclusion seems like prejudice more than factual scientific basis.
Lastly, there are no ancient dragons under Winterfell. I'm not saying that there isn’t some great mysterious magical artifacts hidden in the crypts, only that they arent dragons. The strongest case for dragons in the crypts come from Prince Jacaerys trip to Winterfell with Vermax. If that's the case they'd be eggs, but that theory doesnt make much sense since the depths of the crypts really aren't large enough to accommodate a dragon large enough to be ridden. The oldest confirmed dragon on record in ASOIAF is Balerion between two and three hundred years old when he dies of old age. At that point he's basically too weak to do anything but sleep. From that we can reasonably say that there is no 8000+ year old dragon sleeping beneath Winterfell.
It's more likely that whats hidden in the crypts is some physical proof of Jon's legitimate liniage.
And for the love of all things holy, Winterfell has nothing to do with Targaryen line.
Wrong... G.R.R.M said it is same as pyramids for us... all theories and myths... twisted stories that are mostly wrong... he also said Bran the Builder probably didn't exist as a one person but more legendary people from different ages put in one person soo people like Old Nan can tell easier stories.... that is from G.R.R.M himself in interviews. He also said tha Long Night isnt 8000+ years old but it is around 5000 years old. He explained that Maestars don't know and the story is told from the point of knowlage and believes from people in the book and not the writer.... soo what they know is probably wrong by his own words
czcams.com/video/2yFHjhcIl5k/video.htmlsi=YNMEWCMvwlCvrgLY here is a video of him talking about Long Night and myths
We know the First Men aren’t the Andals. The Andals came to Westeros much later. There is even a delineation between them. Whoever sits the Iron throne is king of the Andals, the First Men and the Rhoynar, suggesting they are all different cultures.
The First Men coexisted with the The Children of the Forest, the Andals didn’t. The Rhoynar never lived far enough north to come in conflict with the Children.
The only thing we can deduce from this is the northern Houses and the Wildlings are of the First Men and like the Wall, the Children aided in beginning the building of Winterfell. There’s absolutely no reason to suggestion Valyrian influence made in the books.
As most will know, George based the stories on ancient history and mythology and folklore etc
The first men being the Welsh and there is a Welsh tale in the Historia Brittonum about the Red Dragon vs the White Dragon. The Red Dragon representing the Welsh (the first men) and the white dragon representing the Anglo-Saxons (the Andals)
In the story, Vortigern (a Welsh warlord/king) tries to build a castle at Dinas Emrys and every night unseen forces demolished the castle walls and foundations.
Vortigern consults his advisers, who tell him to find a boy with no natural father, and to sacrifice him. Vortigern finds such a boy, but on hearing that he is to be put to death to solve the demolishing of the walls, the boy dismisses the knowledge of the advisors. The boy tells the king of the two dragons. Vortigern excavates the hill, freeing the dragons. They continue their fight and the red dragon finally defeats the white dragon. The boy tells Vortigern that the white dragon symbolises the Saxons and that the red dragon symbolises the people of Vortigern.
In Geoffrey of Monmouth’s book History of the Kings of Britain, this story is repeated but in his story the little boy is Merlin.
So many the keep in GoT is mirroring the Castle at Dinas Emrys which kept being destroyed as a result of battles between the Welsh and the Anglo-Saxons or the First Men and the Andals and it being represented by battling dragons
Another bit of information is Bran the Builder is loosely based on Bran the Blessed a Welsh King who in the Mabinogion was a Giant and he had prophetic powers, Greensight.
The name Bran is Welsh and means Raven/Crow, so anybody who knows Welsh had an advantage because Bran Stark seeing a three eyed raven would make sense, a Raven/Crow in Welsh is a symbol of prophecy as is the third eye, so a 3 eyed raven being obvious in its meaning especially when connected to someone called Bran which is the Raven/Crow in Welsh. In Welsh mythology the Raven is also associated with dreams, prophesising and predicting the outcome of war and also darkness and death especially death of warriors in battle, so he was basically telling people like me what was going to happen right from the start and therefore it was no surprise to me how things ended up in the final season and with him being named the King, it’s was exactly as he planned it, that was his goal, he was the puppet master, they did a really poor job of portraying that in the tv show which was a complete abomination and they really F’d it up.
Knowing Welsh history, mythology, peoples names and the Welsh language comes in very handy for GoT, George really did some impressive level of research, he got a lot of parallels spot on
Wes-Thoros. Very good.
I think the Keep was raised after the wall. If the walkers could come and go as they pleased the Starks probably wouldn't have the time to complete it having to fight them off every 3-6yrs per winter. Those castles took generations to build.
If only they will tell the continued story of the Stark Family. Of the many great houses in Westerous the Starks stand out with their connections to the old world houses. All the others have their secrets and mysteries. None like the Starks. They are the connection to the old world and whatever the evil hiding in the north truly is.
Just my opinion.
Hopefully the new Jon series shows more
@@MiceOnVenus_hopefully we actually get that series
Does any of this even matter anymore if this guy never finishes these books? He's finding every excuse to do everything else but finish these books.
He is old we work at our on pace
@@Blank-zz2eq He's going to work even slower when he's dead.
He’s spent so much time on other projects he’s lost the ability to figure out how to finish! He knows HOW it ends, he just doesn’t know how to get there! Anything he does that even remotely looks like something from the show will be considered lazy writing (Dinner with the House Frey was delightful) so I think he is truly suffering from an extreme form of writers block! He needs to swallow his pride and coauthor the remaining novels or worse case just sell the rights of the story line to someone he respects to finish THIS story! That way his family can keep control of the IPR for future contracts!
@@zyzzyz7035 He's not your servant.
5:34 Not quite to scale
The first Dragonlords came from the Great Empire of the Dawn based out of Asshai
Dany dreams about them in book one and during book two in the house of the undying
The Bloodstone Emperor was the final ruler of this realm
it doesnt seem that odd that the first tower was built near the crypts and the hotsprings. You would naturally build your keep near the discovered hot spring. Good theories though, really enjoy your videos
It said the mazemakers of westeros. Those were in Essos.
All this talk about the Crips of Winterfell.
What about their opps? The Bloods of Winterfell. Don’t they deserve a shoutout?
What about the south side dornenos?? They get no love ?
The Lord's of the Empire of the Dawn! Ancient capital Asshai! The original lords of magic!
I watch these videos and question if george rr martin even knows where these stories are going or if he's just sitting around on youtube piecing together his favorite theories to finish it.
I think the Fire god R'Hllor is the symbolic leader of the Targaryens and the Great Other is the same for the Starks. Uniting ice and fire is the only way to restore seasonal balance to this world. Jon Snow is that unification. He will have to broker peace between the two gods somehow.
Hot springs would be very useful in the north when winters last years. Humans would like it just as much as dragons.
It is necessary to understand that Targaryens are not the only ones capable of controlling dragons as even they are a tiny and weak house according to Old Valyrian standards. It is possible to have free dragons fly everywhere in the world. However, I still not get the reason as to why a dragon refused to cross the Wall. If dragons are the only things capable of destroying the Others along with Valyrian steel then why did it refuse to cross wall? I do believe in feasibility of another theory about the Others fleeing from an even greater threat and are on a killing spree to create mindless soldiers to face the threat in an inevitable battle
Along with Valerian steel, dragon glass, wildfire and regular old fire, you mean...
Asshai
I know this is a longshot, but maybe that particular dragon did not want to cross the wall because it’s rider the good queen Alicent was pregnant and feared the evil on the other side for her safety or did I get the timing wrong?
we need to have a tv series about the 1 keep of winter fell
Think bigger have a TV series that includes it
Sorry but nope, the first keep is not connected to the base of the Hightower or the Seastone chair. Those structures are made from fused black stone generally believed to be created by dragon fire. The first keep has no mention of this. While ancient and mysterious it has no connection to structures made from fused black stone or the similar yet distinctly different oily black stock found in places like Moat Cailin.
Less Targaryen and more Dawn Age
We are losing interest……..maybe George RR Martin has too. 😢
Said the same thing 30 times
... wahhhhhhhh.... so many theories... ;( I hope GRrM is secretly finishing both books at the same time, so he can be released from this binding human contract he made... because if that isn't the case, we'll never see A Dream of Spring.
A Dream of Spring is a dream for all of us and it is not going to happen
Gird your loins, my friend. It's nothing but wishful thinking, at this point, I'm afraid.
@@Ash.Crow.Goddess That or like Littlefinger with Sansa(at least in the show) he's been teaching a prodigy, one who will publish the final parts of his work even after his death. I doubt it but it's a fun idea to dance around with.
"For in the winter of your remaining time, to finish books that children of parents who were fans of the books are still waiting for is nothing more than...A Dream Of Spring." ~Me, just now.
(hope you enjoy the cringe of this comment)
Doesn't matter what Winterfell's biggest secret is. Sansa will run her big mouth anyways and it'll be a secret no more.
Yeah…some things can’t stay secret.
As far as we know, Sansa still hasn’t gain back Winterfell at the end of the actual series of books.
And Sansa has not a big mouth. She’s a young girl used by felons Lannisters who try to survive in the both, books and TV show.
Maybe the only ones with big mouths are the frustrated little shits who think themselves entitled to dictate the author how he should write his own story.
who cares
Be nice we al l love this series
I know a story about a boy who didn't care...
Lol
This video is clickbait. It answers no questions and lacks details. There are better videos out there.
Septimius Serveras was not caucasion. He was black. It's easily proven with the most minimal amount of reading. It's all documented. But that doesn't fit narrative