Massad Ayoob & Bill Wilson examine Wilson Combat P365 Grip Modules & the WCP320 - Critical Mas Ep 20
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- Sig Sauer's P365 continues to grow in popularity. Wilson Combat recently released its Grip Module for the P365 and demand has gone through the roof. Bill Wilson and Massad Ayoob discuss the popularity of the P365 and the Wilson Combat P365 Grip Module. They also look at the WCP320 and discuss what is coming down the road with a WCP365.
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ABOUT BILL WILSON Bill Wilson has always been infatuated with guns. Originally trained as a watchmaker, he has been in the firearms industry since 1974, starting out with a retail store called Sportsman's Headquarters in Berryville, Arkansas. Since that humble beginning, he has built Wilson Combat into the largest and most successful custom firearms company in America. Since 1977 Wilson Combat has been the leading innovator in high-performance, custom 1911 handguns, tactical long guns and accessories. A Wilson Combat product’s unmatched level of exceptional reliability and peerless craftsmanship is only equaled by our legendary customer service. Wilson Combat is proud to service all levels of local and State law enforcement including The Department of Homeland Security, US Border Patrol, HQ SOCOM, US Marshal's Service, US Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard, Diplomatic Security Service, Texas Rangers and many more elite law enforcement and military units worldwide. We are also pleased to support the needs of thousands of law-abiding private citizens in the United States and in many other countries abroad.
ABOUT MASSAD AYOOB:
Massad Ayoob has been handgun editor of GUNS magazine and law enforcement columnist for AMERICAN HANDGUNNER since the 1970s, and has published thousands of articles in gun magazines, martial arts publications, and law enforcement journals. He is the author of some twenty books on firearms, self-defense, and related topics, including “In the Gravest Extreme” and “Deadly Force,” widely considered to be authoritative texts on the topic of the use of lethal force.
The winner of the Outstanding American Handgunner of the Year Award in 1998, Mas has won several state and regional handgun shooting championships. Ayoob was the first person to earn the title of Five Gun Master in the International Defensive Pistol Association. He is the current President of the Second Amendment Foundation. He served 19 years as chair of the Firearms Committee of the American Society of Law Enforcement Trainers, and several years as a member of the Advisory Board of the International Law Enforcement Educators and Trainers Association. In addition to teaching for those groups, he has also taught
for the International Association of Law Enforcement Firearms Instructors and the International Homicide Investigators seminars.
Mas has received judicial recognition as an expert witness for the courts in weapons and shooting cases since 1979, and served as a fully sworn and empowered, part time police officer for 43 years, mostly at supervisor rank. Ayoob founded the Lethal Force Institute in 1981 and served as its director until 2009, and now trains through Massad Ayoob Group. He has
appeared on CLE-TV delivering continuing legal education for attorneys, through the American Law Institute and American Bar Association, and has been retained to train attorneys to handle deadly force cases through the Armed Citizens Legal Defense Network. Ayoob served for two
years as co-vice chair of the Forensic Evidence Committee of the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. He also appeared in each episode of Personal Defense TV (Sportsman’s Channel).
0:00 - The Sig Sauer P365
0:35 - The Wilson Combat P365 Grip Module
1:55 - Reliability
2:45 - Changing the Grip
3:45 - Wilson Combat P365 Grip Popularity
5:35 - WCP320
6:30 - Red Dot demand
#MassadAyoob #BillWilson #WilsonCombat - Sport
Have you tried the P365 Grip Module? Let us know what you think about it!
Yes and its awesome
Send me one and I will gladly give you a honest review 😁
I have one on my 365XL and it’s perfect for me. Way better than the Hogue grip I had on the original.
I have a 365XL and put a Hogue slip-on grip on it, fits great, feels like an entirely different gun. I’d invest in a WC grip if it had a legit picatinny rail that fit more lights. I would definitely buy a milled alloy grip, hint hint!
Really like them, have the P365X and XL both have the new grip now. One advantage reloading my hand would sometimes stop the mag from dropping, the little extra grip size allows the clearance for a clean drop before inserting the new mag.
I would love to see Wilson Combat & Icarus collaborate together to make a all metal grip mod with Wilson cuts.
I leave CA for good next month
So I'm gonna have my Wilson Combat P320 built from scratch.
Thanks guys for the info about the website.
Right on
Good for you. I leave CA for WY next month as well. Have several purchases planned soon after arrival
Building from scratch or assembling pre-manufactured parts into a personalized configuration?
Welcome to the free world.
@@mr.s9795 Welcome to a free state. I left New Yorkistan five months ago.
I did exactly what Mr Wilson did at the start of the video. I got an XL frame to replace my standard sized frame and I’m very pleased.
Did the same. Having mine installed at the moment!
Mass you ARE the best! Many, many thanks for the years of dedication you have given!
I purchased the grip module for both my P365x and xl models. I can't imagine anyone buying one and NOT loving it. Ergonomically, it turns a Chevy into a Mercedes. For those who prefer a full grip in their hand, these are certainly your answer. If you buy and wish it was even thicker, you can buy a WC365 Talon grip to go over it. That turns the Mercedes into a Bentley. Perfection.
To Wilson combat inc. Hey, I think you guys could come up with matching magazine base plates to match your nifty grip modules, especially for the 365, that would be the icing in the cake ! I think there is a demand for that and I believe you guys could sell a shit ton of them.
Check out Tactical Dev. They have WC grip module specific p365 base plates.
@@countyman222appreciate it👍
Go with the XL module on the standard P365 & add an Armory Craft extended mag release to make it near perfect 👍
I always listen when Massad speaks. Good video thank you
Thanks for listening
After watching this video I purchased this grip frame and the tungsten weights. Installing the slide release wasn't as easy as the instruction video suggested. I contacted Customer Service and spoke with Lamar. He advised if I returned it they would install the slide release, he said I wasn't the only one who had a problem with it. After a great conversation, I tried it one more time and was successful in making the installation. I am pleased with the overall product and would have no problem recommending it. As far as the backorder situation on this product, don't hesitate to place your order, I received mine within two weeks. Thanks to Wilson Combat for a great upgrade product and outstanding service.
I absolutely love mine and recommend it to everyone. I would have had no idea that it existed if not for Reddit and I know there’s a lot of other people on there with the same experience. Idk how much social media stuff y’all do because I’m only on Reddit and CZcams but if y’all aren’t spreading the word about y’all’s products on there as well I can say you’re missing out. It goes a long way when a company is very interactive with the consumer. Love what y’all did with this, have a good one!
Love mine- made all the difference. Before I installed the WC P365 grip, I was preparing to sell my 365. It is slightly larger than the factory one. You would think such a small increase wouldn't be noticiable but trust me, it is.
Yes it does!
Does it fit the same holster ?? Thanks
@@cz1always608 good question!
@@cz1always608 yes I still use the same holster after switching to WC grip module.
@@cz1always608 yea the couple holsters I have all fit with thus grip
I bought a module for my XL a couple of weeks ago and it has improved my grip on the pistol dramatically. The grip circumference was my only complaint about the 365's and now that problem is solved. Thank you Wilson Combat!!!
I LOVE WILSON COMBAT GEAR, MAGS, & GUNS!💥😎👍🇺🇸
MAS AYOOB IS OG!💀✌
I have one on my XL and it completely changed the gun. Love it!
Likewise.
I installed this grip module on my sig p365 xl and it has completely transformed my relationship with this gun. The palm swell, the weight and balance, it's just unbelievable. Makes the gun less flippy as well. I just love it. Thank you so much for making this grip module.
Add the tungsten weight kit ( if you haven't already ) and it'll make it even better.
I wasn't going to pick up a 365 but WC has changed my mind. I always run your grips on my AR builds. Great stuff
Right on
I have and they’re great. I started with the 12rd grip to replace my standard XL grip for IWB carry. I liked it so much that I got the 10rd grip to make pocket carry easier in the summer. Both are great.
Right on
I bought 2 the day they were released. Wife's p365 and mine. Before I installed them we use to run hogue grips on then as it was almost too thin to get a comfortable grip. My wife and I both agree these modules made a huge difference.
Great!
Does it fit the same holster ? Thanks
@@cz1always608
Yes. I use the same T-rex sidecar holster I always have used.
Just bought a p320 x compact Wilson combat grip module. It is unbelievable. I love it, could not be happier. It probably one of the best grips I have used on a pistol. Massad and Bill are legends in the gun world. They have probably forgot more about guns than I will ever learn. Thanks guys.
Thanks!
Massad Ayoob, it's such a privilege for us. Thank you Sir.
I have a P320 M17, swapped to Wilson Combat grip, what a difference , love it.
Mass, Huge fan since 1983 - please eat more, you look too gaunt-- wishing you only the best in Everything-- Love to hear Bill W. speak
He could be sick you mut
What? That's called normal BMI. Your lens has been corrupted by so many obese people in today's society.
What would possess you to say some dumb shit like this? Hahaha
I’d love to see WC manufacture these grips with a standard pic rail for light attachment rather then the custom sig light mount
I think Sig made that a condition of them giving permission to make the grip.
The problem then would be holsters that fit that rail I think.
@@kds471 brands like Icarus precision already do it but in aluminum for $300 I’d like to see someone step up and make a polymer grip with the same features as Icarus. There are plenty of holster makers like qvo that have holsters for them already.
@@ryanw1223 just picked up a WCP365XL, and one of bullet points on the back of the package is “compatible with all standard holsters”. If anything the introduction of a railed model would be if/when sales on the current grip modules ever drops. For myself, I am eyeing the Mischief Machine Commander module.
Tactical Dev makes a nice rail adapter.
I just got my Wilson combat grip for the P365 and makes me love it all over again
Great to see Sig getting so the aftermarket support now that they have gained so much market share!!! They are innovative!!
Bought my Wife a P365, loved it so much I bought one of my own. More of a 1911/Beretta guy. I own the Wilson Beretta 92G CentTac, favorite gun until I bought the Wilson P365Xl module and made my P365x with Tungsten inserts. Serious tackdriver, fits my gorilla mitts like a glove, pocket size when I need it and IWB carry as well. Converted 12 rd mags to 14 round mags w/magguts. So now it is a Wilson Sig P365x 14+1, about 75% the size of A Glock 19, with better ergonomics. Next time around, will go for the P320w/Red Dot. Absolutely love all of Wilson Combats products, parts and service! High Marks indeed, please keep up the good work ! 🇺🇸
The nice thing about the P365 series vs the P320 series is that the slide rides on a nearly full length rail. The P320 has four tiny tabs the slide rides on, and the FCU is made of folded sheet metal
Fellas, thanks so much for all you do!
Keep on keeping on Brothers.
Godspeed.
Our pleasure!
I was genuinely getting frustrated of the stock 365 grip especially with the 10 round magazine, i even considered upgrading to XL, then I bought the Wilson combat frame, it’s unbelievable, even with the same magazine my accuracy has gone up up to 40 to 50 percent. It’s a totally different gun. Highly recommend Wilson Combat products. Cheers
NICE!
When you are collaborating on the P365-series, would you please consider adding a 1911-style, slim, ambidextrous safety to your modifications? The stock Sig lever is awkward for my (smaller) hands. It may be worse for bigger hands. A 1911-style lever, extended further forward. could be an improvement. Also, I believe that for those of us who have trained with 1911/2011 pistols for decades, the closer the common controls can be, the better the manual of arms will be for the P365/X/XL. TIA for your consideration.
I just picked up a Wilson Combat P365 XL module for my P365 to give it a a longer grip but same short slide and the grip feels great. Just the right amount of texture and the grip angle points more naturally. Its also slightly thicker and feels great in my size XXL glove size hands.
Very happy with my WC P365 Grip Module. Turned a really good pistol into an excellent firearm. Feel is now what it should have been. Thank you for what you provide the industry.
Thanks!
Having a longer & full grip with a 3.1" frame makes a big difference. Can't beat the price & looks badass, great product!!
Picked up an XL and a standard for when the weather turns hot. Both are great, solid no nonsense grip surface really helps control the gun when shooting fast.
Got mine in the xl love it! Adds just a little girth but it really helps.
Waiting for mine to come off of backorder. Going to do my 365XL first, and if my wife likes it I'll do her 365. Really looking forward to trying it.
Very happy with my 320 module. I'd imagine this one is just as sweet.
It sure is!
I got a Wilson 365 & Sig 320 grip modfule on both of my guns & love them!!!
I literally JUST installed the Wilson Combat 365XL grip module (in desert tan) on my standard P365. First, what a phenomenal upgrade! Having the longer grip module on the standard 365 makes it an infinitely more comfortable gun to hold (esp. in my big hands) yet while still retaining the concealability. Second, putting the desert tan grip on the black gun just makes it look COOL! Keep up the great work! (BTW, I also have an EDC X9S which is my favorite gun by far, and I just bought TWO of the WC P320 X-Carry's, one for home defense and one for carry. LOVE Wilson!)
I'm a big fan of the Wilson Combat grip modules!. I have three P320's and one P365XL. They all have Wilson combat grip modules. The grip angle is the best I've tried and for me, the starburst pattern combined with the stippling on the front strap and back strap give me great purchase on the firearm. As a side note, the Carry II grip module for the P320 is awesome. I love that it fits the 3.6" barrel of my RXP XCompact, while allowing me to the extra grip length to use the flush fit 17 round magazines. That is my normal EDC pistol. Great stuff as always from Wilson.
Thanks!
I love seeing Massad Ayoob 👍
I have the P365 and P365XL both with Wilson Combat XL grip modules. I love how the grip fills out the hand better and also the grip texture. Haven’t tried the tungsten weights yet there always sold out. Excellent product!
Exactly the same here. Couldn’t be happier with both grip modules.
The Wilson P320 module changed my opinion of that gun, which I didn’t like stock. I loved my P365 stock so I was anxiously waiting for this product to come out. It has not disappointed. The P365XL with a Wilson Combat grip is probably my favorite handgun period, not just my carry gun.
The Sig P365 still sells out as soon as they hit the floor at most of my LGSs. They greatly outpace the Springfield Hellcat and Sig P320 in sales. The P365 SAS is the only one that seems to be out of favor with buyers, and linger in the display cases.
Wonder why that is exactly, I have just the p365, I bought the tac pack (wish is had a slide with the cutout for optics however, could send it off of course but it ain't cheap and a bit of a hastle) for the extra mags, but I really like the idea of the SAS and whatnot, wonder if it doesn't perform well of something compared to the other models of the p365?
I have mine with the added tungsten weights.....I love it.
I installed a Wilson Combat P365 XL frame with my standard P365 modular FCU and slide. The damned magazine release drove me crazy trying to get it installed but on my 20th attempt it got it in. I wear XXL gloves, so the Xl frame is much better for my hands and I can get a full grip on the gun now. I was good at accuracy before, but now I shoot consistently tighter groups with the better fitted frame. The texture on the Wilson Combat frame is very good, and reminds me a bit of my Springfield XDS texture's feel in hand.
Very nice, Bill.
Love my WC grip module for my standard 365! Souch more comfortable than the stock grip. Added the tungsten rods as well. Shoots and handles much better!
Very nice!
i love his honesty - we didn’t want to get caught with our pants down again.
Thanks for the update!
You bet!
Just want to say thank you for your S&W 986 moonclips)
Just ordered one! I like my swisher sweet, and my sig sauer
I have your module on my P365XL and love it! The stock module is good, but the WC module is perfect.
Great to hear!
If you haven't already add the tungsten weight kit and it'll feel even better.
I've got a Wilson Combat frame for my P365.
A world of difference.
It came with a magazine release button so you don't have to mess with transferring the old one.
It was about $75 with shipping.
@M E, bout how long between, "hitting enter", "till package arrived at your door" did it take?
Awesome!
@@peterpantaloneiii6503 about 6 days.
@@Iceaxehikes outstanding! I've been looking for a quality mod, for my P320 Nitro. S&W .40 cal, Compact Medium and it doesn't get any more "quality", than "Wilson Combat" products! The price point and the "enter to door" time frame, just can't be beat!
Thanks!
Bought one of these modules for my M18 ,very affordable and way better then the standard one that came from sig ,fits so much better in my hand excellent product
That lodge...wow!
I have a Colt 45 compact its a nail driver. It's tuned up.Good video.
Love the aggressive texture and extra girth on my XL module. Vote for a pic rail option would be nice. Thank you Gentlemen.
Girth lol
The WC grip + the grip weights have been revolutionary for my M17. Gotta get the same combo for my girlfriend's 365 as well soon, perhaps Christmas 🤔
With the factory grip module the P365 will give me a blister on the web of my hand in about 5 mags. With the WC grip module- no blister or even redness! The WC grip module made a total improvement in controllability of the P365!
Awesome!
I just purchased a grip module for my 365X Macro. Should have it in a few days. Hoping to buy a tricked out 320 in the near future.
I installed a manual safety on my P365 and ordered a new Sig grip module to install that would accommodate
the manual safety. My original grip module was NRA coyote brown color. I could sweep the safety off easily but it was stiff engaging it. I then ordered the Wilson Combat grip module in black (because they don't make it in NRA coyote brown for the manual safety models). I put some Wilson Combat grease that I had for over 10 years where the safety rides as I was putting the new WC grip module on and this made the safety much easier to operate. I actually like the two tone color (NRA coyote brown slide with black WC grip module) better than an all NRA coyote brown firearm as long as I use black magazines. The grip works great. Just remember to flag your thumb up (bring it back down after you get your support hand on grip) in air before putting your support hand on the grip module. That works great and I am able to get my support hand palm on the grip and it makes all the difference.
I just installed a WC p365 XL grip module on a p365 .380 and it shoots smooth, looks amazing and it too a couple minutes to install.
Bought the p365 grip module and the tungsten weight kit and it was a dramatic change for the better it now has the perfect grip and it’s more balanced as well.
Great!
I purchased this for my P365 and I live it. Please make same style in an aluminum grip module for the P365 & P320 🙏🏾
Love my grip module
Got mine, thanks WC
Love my Wilson p365 grip module with the tungsten weights. Makes a huge difference. I noticed it a lot more when I switched back to the original Sig grip module. I switched right back. For reference, I’m a 5’3” female with average sized hands. I fit fine on the Sig grip but the Wilson grip is more comfortable and the weights help with recoil.
Thank you again
Full size pic rail would be the cherry on top
Even for my small hands, the WC P365 grips are way better than stock. I realize that the stock grip is slim for concealment, but the WC grip is not really any different for concealment. The grips really fill my hands and I also added the tungsten rods for added weight. It was a great buy for me.
Thanks for sharing
Does it fit the original holster though? Thanks
@@cz1always608 Yes, no difference at all with my Vedder holster.
I love the WC module on my full size P320. I never liked the factory grip on the 365s. I will have to find one of these to try.
You won't regret it trust me, and add the tungsten weight kit with it and it'll be even better.
I ordered one of these the day after I bought my 365 and it was the best thing I ever did. I can't wait to send my 365 off to you guys and have it too and when you offer it!!! Make sure you order the tungsten weights that go in the grip if you get it!!!!
Hope you enjoy it!
For anyone considering this grip module.
I got one and it absolutely made a good gun feel like a perfect gun. Buy it
I want that XL grip. Looks pretty good.
Base P365 wasn't bad to shoot for me, I could shoot defensive loads and feel like I was in control. The WC XL grip module took it from being something that was just fine, to something I really enjoy. It actually might be one of my favorite guns to shoot now because of how easy it is to hang onto now and just sling rounds into the 10 ring. I think I want to swap the standard slide out for something with a dot and maybe a flat trigger? Fantastic job guys.
Oh and before I forget, the APX is supposed to be a chassis system, you guys have a good relationship with Beretta thanks to the 92 and I hope the new APX gains enough traction that we see a WC version of that grip module.
I wear 4XL gloves and the WCP365 grip module with the tungsten rods is the only way I can comfortably shoot a standard P365. My groupings are tight and the gun has reduced recoil and muzzle flip. I only shoot with the 12 round mags with the Tactical Development pinky extension. The key is that this product makes a world of difference.
I bought two of the XL grip modules recently (one in tan and one in black). If you make one in OD green, I'll buy one of those, too!
I am going to get a P320C module today. Hopefully, they will have the module for my P365.
I have ordered a module for my P365, I can't wait to get it. They must be pretty popular since they are on back order.
Let us know how it is!
@@gowilsoncombat Just installed the module. It was easy to install. I love how it feels in my large hand.
I want some OD Green modules.
I got the Module for my 365 SAS C and it made the weapon a lot better! Mine is in the tan!!
Great!
I purchased the WC 10 round grip module and felt the gap between the backstrap to the base pad on the 12 round mags was too big and uncomfortable. I ended up taking a dremel and getting that gap pretty flush to the 12 round base pads and now i think its perfect.
My P320 XCompact was the first to get the WC grip and it is slightly bigger in grip circumference, beaver tail and the relief cut than the Sig grip. The tungsten weight kit adds 1.5oz more weight to the gun, that and the grip texture help me shoot it considerably better.
My P365XL got the same WC grip setup and I got the same fantastic performance and looks just like the P320.
Ty!
Bill I have ur modules for my xcompact and my 365. Definitely money well spent.
I love mine Its definitely a game changer I hope you would consider making one for p320 with 10 round mags Thanks for sharing 👍
I have a MA compliant P320C (10 round mags) that I was able to use a Wilson Combat grip module. It’s the same module as the “free state” 15 round models.
The Wilson Combat grip module is a plus overall not to mention the ability to insert the Tungsten rods. That at the very minimal from the initial comments of others as well as my own impression after inserting these in my XL over a year ago is that it helps balance out the top heavy metal slide with the slightly longer 3.7” barrel of a small pistol with otherwise a VERY light polymer grip module.
I really wish you all would make a 365 module with a rail that is flush for the XL slide and XL grip.
Bring out macro grip module for the 365x standard slide length
Had mine for a while and love it......Bill when do we get the P365X Macro 17 round grip module!!!!!!!!
I recently went to the WC P320 grip. That grip feels like what a Sig grip always should have been. I would love to see Sig sell their 3xx line stock with WC grips, hopefully pushing development further as a result.
Wilson Combat has definitely made a believer out of me.
Thanks for sharing
Bill Wilson sure made a hell of a fortune selling items designed to catch the fisherman and not the fish.
How long before we can expect a full pistol WCP365 offering from Wilson Combat? I've been holding off buying the Sig P365 to get the whole revised package from you : ) Please and thank you.
Still out of stock for the manual safety version. Such a good gun.
I wish I would have gotten one of these a lot sooner.
Would love to see what you could do with the Sig P226…
Please make a P320 module for larger sized hands
I’d be interested in buying a new slide with an RDS and maybe a threaded barrel.