The Wrecking Crew were the musicians on Lumpy Gravy.Tommy Tedesco said, when they all saw Frank, this was to be another pop infused easy day of work. Then Frank handed them all the charts.
Still to this day I marveled on Zappa was able to pull Lumpy Gravy off. How it was paid for, how he had the time (with all the other crap he was doing -> see the MOI) to arrange and conduct this stuff, how with all the hours and hours of tape to review and splice into perfect shape, how it was able to "stop" and create a finished product. It being one of FZ's favorite projects back then, it was the equivalent of the LSO recordings. And who the hell dislike this one? Why are you even here?
He produced more albuns than years he was alive..........and he still left loads of material for his legacy to carry on! Brilliant! The only music scientist that ever lived. R.I.P. FRANK
Frank had 10 years of ideas and compositions to fit into Lumpy Gravy - music which didn’t suit Freak Out or Absolutely Free - and there’s no stronger material for a musician for themes and arrangements which have been going around your head for ten years. And these ideas weren’t in my ordinary head - they were in Frank’s!! Many musicians run out of steam after an album or two but not Frank: the ideas kept coming. He also re-used many of the themes and ideas again and again throughout his career. The level of musical dexterity in Lumpy Gravy is astonishing - Frank plays with genres with utter confidence. It didn’t take him 50 albums to perfect his talent: it was there from the start, fully formed.
I always was fascinated as a child with the orchestra part of Lumpy. It’s great to hear FZ’s idea in its entirety- especially the odd “ psych” sections. Great trumpet solo. It’s just amazing, he was in his 20’s writing like this. FZ is the best!
The modern day composer refuses to die. The greatest of 20th century and beyond. 100 years from now the universe will still celebrate his genius. Freak out!
Frank! We miss you so! It's been 50 years since I first heard him and I was called weird. Well, I'm still weird. Take that, Tipper Gore! You never stopped by the house to check out the toys.
The fact is - as many albums as he put out over his lifetime he was so prolific that every one of them could have been double and we'd STILL have a warehouse worth
Man who knows how lumpy gravy originally started , there's so many different versions, this here somewhere in between with themes and experimentation. Very good!
I started playing drums in 1960 when I was seven years old.I knew about the regular radio music but late night free form jazz and avant guard caught my ear .I didn't know I was hearing the dead letter office of commercial broadcast.We lived next to the mountains along Route 66.Then there was this skinny I-talian boy from Cucamonga...
That was the place my mom would threaten to ship me of to, when I misbehaved. I had no idea it was a real place. At the time , he was actually living there. Purely by accident, When I was four yo, I saw him play the bicycle on TV
@@syn707 sorry ,i messed up,your correct. There is a version on capitol records though with some chick singing on it. I think this was one of his albums that had legal issues.(wzrner bros)
Frank Zappa had an enormous influence on the British Canterbury Scene, as you can tell. You could make out some motifs here and there and relate the Lumpy Gravy piece to any albums by the Canterbury-related bands by similarity.
Not sure if he had enormous influence but these guys were definitely listening to Zappa. The link is the French promote Jean Gerogakarakos who had a record company called PYG Records and promoted mostly Gong (Daevid Allen); he is the one also who did Amougies festival under PYG Actuel. And his friend Michel Magne was the owner of the Chateau d'Hérouville where Gong did their first records as well as many other band, incl. Pink Floyd during the more period. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Georgakarakos
I don’t think I recognized him when I saw this before but yes, that is him. You can be sure there are other ‘Wrecking Crew” people sitting next to him.
this is so much more relaxing than some of the other things i listened to today.. narcist avoidance advice and pee-wee death , the end of the world by television witchcraft and the other things that pop up... THANK YOU !!! rockettebob in reno
If I remember correctly, this same cast of musicians was working sessions with Brian Wilson for the Smile album when they weren't recording with Frank. I've heard stories about Frank and Brian crossing paths in this era, and they were both respectfully scared of each other. Brian was a little too drugged out for Frank, and Frank was a little too scary and avant-garde for Brian. Van Dyke Parks was the first dedicated keyboard player in the Mothers, he could set the record straight...
Okay, that's tommy Tedesco in the photo shown at the start. So is this the famous incident (See "For Guitar Players Only by Tommy Tedesco) where he dressed up in goofy attire in attempt to fit the session, based on what he only had heard of Zappa's reputation? If you haven't heard the story, he did do just that, although from Tedesco's description he was far more garishly dressed. His final comment was that Zappa's music was very challenging, harder than he anticipated. That's a lot from a guy who could sight read anything, including music that was put in front of him upside down.
Tommy tells one about Frank playing the Bassoonists part on guitar because the guy didn’t think it was possible. Zooming in I see Carol in the control room too.
Jimmy Zito Lew McCreary Ted Nash Gene Capriano John Rotella Pete Jolly Mike Lang Paul Smith Tommy Tedesco Emil Richards Victor Feldman Jimmy Bond Shelly Manne Frank Cap John Guerin
@@garygibson5983 Yes he did. But I would have loved more about those sessions. Not only his observations of the freak crowd surrounding the sessions, but any technical things he might have seen....but as a session player, he was doing a job...get in, and get the hell out! LOL
"How did that get in here?" Answer: read his autobiography where he as much as describes himself as a composer who justified the rock n roll gigs to generate money to pay for music score copyists.
Zappa couldn't play guitar on any of the Lumpy Gravy sessions due to contractual issues. He was signed to MGM, but Lumpy Gravy was initially recorded for Capitol. A loophole in the MGM contract allowed him to be signed to another label as a composer/arranger.
I would extend that into artistic and marketing genius too. If one discounts the fact that Lennon was more part of a democracy whereas Zappa was basically the boss as far as his realm went. Lennon was part of a band that had so many fans he didn't need to do that much marketing himself, Zappa tried to sidestep traditional distribution by doing mail order in areas where the stores refused to stock his music and succeeded. I never heard of Lennon even having to do something like that let alone actually doing it. The more I find out about Frank Zappa the more I respect him and the bar was pretty high to begin with. His accomplishments with film and animation go way beyond what Lennon did. Let's give Lennon some credit though he did write some great songs and most songwriters would love to have his level of success.
Using the posting of this lovely version as an opportunity to take a shi* on someone seems to me unfortunate in the extreme. PLUS, leading to another wanker who felt the need to drop his drawers and do the same. Too bad.
"frank zappa was a musical genius compared to john lennon...john lennon was a marketing genius compared to frank zappa. there" boys and girls, this is what's known as a "wind up" it appears to have succeeded.
He's been gone 29 years now and new material is still released every few months. That is a legacy.
EL Maestro! The Master!
It’s awesome. I’m really now just getting into his very early works. It’s amazing how talented he was
The Wrecking Crew were the musicians on Lumpy Gravy.Tommy Tedesco said, when they all saw Frank, this was to be another pop infused easy day of work. Then Frank handed them all the charts.
Still to this day I marveled on Zappa was able to pull Lumpy Gravy off. How it was paid for, how he had the time (with all the other crap he was doing -> see the MOI) to arrange and conduct this stuff, how with all the hours and hours of tape to review and splice into perfect shape, how it was able to "stop" and create a finished product. It being one of FZ's favorite projects back then, it was the equivalent of the LSO recordings. And who the hell dislike this one? Why are you even here?
Hard to believe all the work he got done in such a short life. Can you imagine how much more of his work we would Have if he was still around.
He produced more albuns than years he was alive..........and he still left loads of material for his legacy to carry on!
Brilliant!
The only music scientist that ever lived. R.I.P. FRANK
@@clopes007music scientist is the most apropos description of his art that I've ever heard
Frank had 10 years of ideas and compositions to fit into Lumpy Gravy - music which didn’t suit Freak Out or Absolutely Free - and there’s no stronger material for a musician for themes and arrangements which have been going around your head for ten years. And these ideas weren’t in my ordinary head - they were in Frank’s!!
Many musicians run out of steam after an album or two but not Frank: the ideas kept coming. He also re-used many of the themes and ideas again and again throughout his career.
The level of musical dexterity in Lumpy Gravy is astonishing - Frank plays with genres with utter confidence. It didn’t take him 50 albums to perfect his talent: it was there from the start, fully formed.
I enjoy most of Frank's music, but when he was exerting his composer skills, there's nothing like it. The master is gone. RIP
50 years later and I'm still discovering fantastic new material from this era . Tasty little weenie.
I always was fascinated as a child with the orchestra part of Lumpy. It’s great to hear FZ’s idea in its entirety- especially the odd “ psych” sections. Great trumpet solo. It’s just amazing, he was in his 20’s writing like this. FZ is the best!
The modern day composer refuses to die. The greatest of 20th century and beyond. 100 years from now the universe will still celebrate his genius. Freak out!
As long as we keep listening, FZ lives!
Chances are that if he was still alive, he would still be making music and he would be more well known amongst younger generations
You are fucking right..they woild be lining up to see what was next.I knew him for almost 20 years.The only thing that stopped me was Untimely death!
Always loved this experimental fusion like a journey through a surreal painting of sound .
Amazing !!! I never heard this variation before, FZ never ceases to amaze me !!!
Frank! We miss you so! It's been 50 years since I first heard him and I was called weird. Well, I'm still weird. Take that, Tipper Gore! You never stopped by the house to check out the toys.
You're not weird. You just discovered future music !
Don ! that was Paula Hawkins, asking Frank about his toys.
This is the best comment I've read in a while. Where's the plastic people when ya need em?
@@stephenhummer4562 i guess bigtoe is a little weird
@@stephenhummer4562 Yeah, suck it, Paula!
This is great. Lumpy Gravy is still one of my favourite Zappa albums. I didn't know this additional stuff was available. Brilliant.
The fact is - as many albums as he put out over his lifetime he was so prolific that every one of them could have been double and we'd STILL have a warehouse worth
Man who knows how lumpy gravy originally started , there's so many different versions, this here somewhere in between with themes and experimentation. Very good!
Lumpy Money( it's obviusly a great stuff for us Zappa Fans, but was not approved from Frank him self. so the real Lumpy gravy was the original :-)
so freaking awesome!
I've never heard this version. Mind blowing. They argue, was Hot Rats or Miles Davis' Bitches Brew, both 1969, the first jas rock fusion. No. This is.
Thank you, Frank Zappa....
Easily one of my favorite zappa recordings right here
FRANK ZAPPA IS THE BEST!!
At raping 16 year old groupies? Quite a legacy
I started playing drums in 1960 when I was seven years old.I knew about the regular radio music but late night free form jazz and avant guard caught my ear .I didn't know I was hearing the dead letter office of commercial broadcast.We lived next to the mountains along Route 66.Then there was this skinny I-talian boy from Cucamonga...
That was the place my mom would threaten to ship me of to, when I misbehaved.
I had no idea it was a real place. At the time , he was actually living there. Purely by accident, When I was four yo,
I saw him play the bicycle on TV
What an absolute gem this is!
Amazing that this wasn’t released decades ago. This is a masterpiece!
It was released decades ago.
@@mikerobo2112 I loved the album version. I wasn’t aware this outtake had been available all this time.
@@syn707 sorry ,i messed up,your correct. There is a version on capitol records though with some chick singing on it. I think this was one of his albums that had legal issues.(wzrner bros)
HO! Lumpy Gravy goes way back, but I never knew this version existed!!
How come I am one year late?! Help, me I'm a Rock 7:00
It was always one of his most mysterious albums .
@@jameskennedy721 - beautiful late night california by the sea sides 1967 - 1968 -
Frank Zappa had an enormous influence on the British Canterbury Scene, as you can tell. You could make out some motifs here and there and relate the Lumpy Gravy piece to any albums by the Canterbury-related bands by similarity.
Very much so. For all the originality of Henry Cow, you can definitely hear FZ influences on "LegEnd", and on some other subsequent albums as well.
@@Baribrotzer And Soft Machine / Matching Mole !
Was caravan part of that scene?
@@davidhedman3986 Yes, indeed
Not sure if he had enormous influence but these guys were definitely listening to Zappa. The link is the French promote Jean Gerogakarakos who had a record company called PYG Records and promoted mostly Gong (Daevid Allen); he is the one also who did Amougies festival under PYG Actuel. And his friend Michel Magne was the owner of the Chateau d'Hérouville where Gong did their first records as well as many other band, incl. Pink Floyd during the more period.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Georgakarakos
Greatness! Tommy looking at the camera.
I don’t think I recognized him when I saw this before but yes, that is him. You can be sure there are other ‘Wrecking Crew” people sitting next to him.
I miss Frank
Love the guitar!
There were so many sessions glad tape was rolling
I wish this one would be released on its own cd as lumpy gravy original mix
it was released on CD in the Lumpy Money Box set, also on streaming
The best of the best!
Love Zappa!
yeah ! I see you're palaylists...I'm "fanatic" !
Zappa w the Wrecking Crew!!!
Just bloody brilliant.
Just found out this is from the Lumpy/Money - Project Object album from 2016. Great stuff :)
nice! this is from the Lumpy Money 3cd set . i just bought it ,lookin forward to getting it and cranking it up all the way through
Are you positive that this is in that 3 cd set of Lumpy Money? If so, I’m about to buy it. Just wanted to make sure first. Having some doubts. Anyone?
@@btanberk yes i have im my hands. its 3cds in a nice fold out digipack type thing. nice booklet too.
Thanks for this - it's brought on some emotion like an old friend.
Great stuff!
this is so much more relaxing than some of the other things i listened to today.. narcist avoidance advice and pee-wee death , the end of the world by television witchcraft and the other things that pop up... THANK YOU !!! rockettebob in reno
Note Tommy Tedesco in the Cub Scout hat and neckerchief, looking at the camera.
This is wonderful! Thank-you for posting.
super incredible
Amazing !
This is awesome
Even I'm speechless
That's saying something.
Woops I think he forgot how to talk Jim.
I am always speechless when I listen to Music.
Excellent
Grandissimo Zappa!
even though I love this recording, this speaks volumes about his editing ability because the LG album is so much better.
Frank Zappa is music for adults - I don’t mean age, but the spiritual state of a person.
6:00 is this "help I'm a rock"
¡GENIAL!
I see Dick Van Dyke the actor sitting in on the session, obviously a fan.
Frank es MUSICA
If I remember correctly, this same cast of musicians was working sessions with Brian Wilson for the Smile album when they weren't recording with Frank. I've heard stories about Frank and Brian crossing paths in this era, and they were both respectfully scared of each other. Brian was a little too drugged out for Frank, and Frank was a little too scary and avant-garde for Brian. Van Dyke Parks was the first dedicated keyboard player in the Mothers, he could set the record straight...
Okay, that's tommy Tedesco in the photo shown at the start. So is this the famous incident (See "For Guitar Players Only by Tommy Tedesco) where he dressed up in goofy attire in attempt to fit the session, based on what he only had heard of Zappa's reputation? If you haven't heard the story, he did do just that, although from Tedesco's description he was far more garishly dressed. His final comment was that Zappa's music was very challenging, harder than he anticipated. That's a lot from a guy who could sight read anything, including music that was put in front of him upside down.
Tommy tells one about Frank playing the Bassoonists part on guitar because the guy didn’t think it was possible. Zooming in I see Carol in the control room too.
Jimmy Zito Lew McCreary Ted Nash Gene Capriano John Rotella Pete Jolly Mike Lang Paul Smith Tommy Tedesco Emil Richards Victor Feldman Jimmy Bond Shelly Manne Frank Cap John Guerin
Yep, the best...and it will all be heard on 'The Stone Age'...prx.org....Thank you...Frank Zappa....
Tommy, smiling for the camera Sure would love his thoughts on Zappa’s sessions.
@@syn707 Tommy mentions these sessions on the wrecking crew dvd extras
@@garygibson5983 Yes he did. But I would have loved more about those sessions. Not only his observations of the freak crowd surrounding the sessions, but any technical things he might have seen....but as a session player, he was doing a job...get in, and get the hell out! LOL
Seeds of WakA/Jawaka and Wazoo
All that's missing is a bit of "Johnny 'Guitar" and /or a George's thing and /or a Tommy Mars's
Insanuado. Well ,all things in due time .
OMG wish this was released last decade - too long to have been in the can on the shelf ~ Arf Arf : )
Antique Mircea.
I like the bit where they're pretending they are improvising.
Frank should have composed film soundtracks - this makes me think of Stanley Myers or Basil Kirchin or (just a little) Ennio Morricone.
Checkout the bass riff around 4:30. Then sing, Zepplin’s “How Many More Times” over it,
FZ was also a Howlin Wolf fan
Huge huge fan!,!
I hear czcams.com/video/C38EHToCMso/video.html, and every time I can't help but say,
> I went to the country,
> and while I was gone...
this was recorded in 1967, 2 years before How Many More Timed came out
Why are the channels flipped
Get Zapped . I remember Frank mentioning the flipped channel thing but I cant remember where I saw him talk of it.
"How did that get in here?" Answer: read his autobiography where he as much as describes himself as a composer who justified the rock n roll gigs to generate money to pay for music score copyists.
0:00
I’ve not heard this version before. It must be rehearsals for Lumpy. And, that looks like the Wrecking Crew. Is it not?
Where did this session come from? Is it from a newer album?
Lumpy gravy sessions
Reminds me of Tortoise
How much do you think this session cost with the amount of players and the hours?
well, the musicians were making at least $2.71 an hour....
@@ellenrosenblatt5463Pretty good bread.
Tommy Tedesco on Guitar.
And of course this eventually got named "Oh No."
zappa was a killer lyricist :-O
@garrulousglandarius You think you know...
In time, how far ahead was Zappa? Dumb question .. this sounds like .. Modern Enseble ..
sasha king crimson ₪₪₪₪
Arf.
The guitar solo sounds more like Tedesco than Zappa.
Zappa couldn't play guitar on any of the Lumpy Gravy sessions due to contractual issues. He was signed to MGM, but Lumpy Gravy was initially recorded for Capitol. A loophole in the MGM contract allowed him to be signed to another label as a composer/arranger.
@@donaldronson1387 Hey, thanks for that!
Sounds like Frank to me, even though he wasn't supposed to play on the session.
I love music so much and have done since 1967
All is CE -Proofed ?
TI HO DETTO DAMMI PRESTITO HAI CAPITO MI HAI? OH MA CHE CASSO VOI
F.Z.
frank zappa was a musical genius compared to john lennon...john lennon was a marketing genius compared to frank zappa.
there
I would extend that into artistic and marketing genius too. If one discounts the fact that Lennon was more part of a democracy whereas Zappa was basically the boss as far as his realm went. Lennon was part of a band that had so many fans he didn't need to do that much marketing himself, Zappa tried to sidestep traditional distribution by doing mail order in areas where the stores refused to stock his music and succeeded. I never heard of Lennon even having to do something like that let alone actually doing it. The more I find out about Frank Zappa the more I respect him and the bar was pretty high to begin with. His accomplishments with film and animation go way beyond what Lennon did. Let's give Lennon some credit though he did write some great songs and most songwriters would love to have his level of success.
Using the posting of this lovely version as an opportunity to take a shi* on someone seems to me unfortunate in the extreme. PLUS, leading to another wanker who felt the need to drop his drawers and do the same. Too bad.
@@KingCrimson82 Your parents made a mistake having you and you should sue them.
"frank zappa was a musical genius compared to john lennon...john lennon was a marketing genius compared to frank zappa.
there"
boys and girls, this is what's known as a "wind up"
it appears to have succeeded.
you are comparing ships with mushrooms !!?? Do you think Elton John should have made part of the Mothers of Invention !? :)
FRANK ZAPPA IS THE BEST!!