This is why fighting is allowed in pro hockey
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- Fighting has been an officially accepted part of the hockey at the professional level for almost a century. In 1922, the National Hockey League incorporated Rule 56 into its official rule book, which governed what it then called "Fisticuffs" as an official part of the game.
Today, the section of the NHL rule book dedicated to fighting is Rule 46. It says that referees are given “very wide latitude in the penalties with which they may impose under this rule.” According to former NHL official Kerry Fraser, fighting is technically a rule violation.
Any player who fights is automatically subjected to sitting in the penalty box for at least five minutes. Additional penalties, including ejection, can be imposed if deemed necessary by the referee.
We sought to understand why this sanctioned violence is still embraced by the league, which, based on a recent interview with its commissioner Gary Bettman, doesn't appear to be going away any time soon.
Bettman called fighting a "thermostat" for the game, and that it "may prevent other injuries."
According to author Ross Bernstein, who wrote the book "The Code: The Unwritten Rules of Fighting and Retaliation in the NHL," fighting is a way for the sport to "police itself," and to remind players that there are consequences for stepping over the line during play in such a way that "the Code" is violated.
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They should allow hockey in boxing.
i laughed
Shit, the way pro boxing is nowadays they should implement "fighting" back into boxing if that's what you're saying--I agree.
MrChubib0 😂😂😂😂😭😭😭
Lol😂
Ha
If something happens during a Coyotes and Panthers game but no one was there to see it, did it really happen?
Steven Farnesi Best comment of 2017 thus far.
Steven Farnesi lol
Steven Farnesi can you really call it a game in the first place?
Jonathan Johnson oooooooooo snap!
This comment gave me a good chuckle
“We had bench clearing brawls in the 70s, it was wicked”
I read this as he said it lmao
Q gregorian yo me too lmfao
What happened to those.days.
I stopped watching hockey after a notible decline in fights
...wicked awesome!
Lanksey but when it’s allowed it’s cooler cause like.... it’s allowed
My grandpa would occasionally say this to me and I laughed every time. “One time I went to a boxing match and a hockey game broke out.” Still makes me smile to this day.
haha yeah thats a good one
Probably the oldest most classic hockey joke n it still never gets old lol
Lmfao 😂😂😂
Lies again? UFC SILAT UEFA SW
"If that Happens, We're Fucked!"
I laughed so hard hearing this!
SilverShrimp TX I died listening to it lmao. but he's spot on
Tyler English WAIT!! Did you die in Florida or in Toronto? Seriously, we NEED to know!!
Stephen Malacaria Toronto. don't worry hockey fighting is still alive and well
+Tyler English +Steven Malacaria
That's awesome, u guys made my day
"it was wicked" is what got me rolling
If it happens in Canada we're okay, the jury will understand because they all played hockey at some point. Best part of the whole video.
Damned rights... Unfortunately, I'm not one of them...(too uncoordinated...would spend more time hanging off the boards trying to keep my skates under me). but my son plays.
Yeah, the pussies down south would probably piss and moan until fighting got banned entirely...and it just turned into figure skating. God help them if anybody in the stands got hit by a puck and got killed. That might get the whole sport wiped out.
A girl did get hit in the head by a puck back in 2002 and died. It's why there are nets now behind the tall glass at the ends of the rink.
Hugo Chikamori Your prime minister is pathetic White Knight and U.S. Americans play a more physical style anyway
Yeah, and that's why Canada has been getting the gold medal in Olympic hockey every four years and usually have a lock on the World Cup of Hockey, while you guys always get bounced by Russia.
Chris Rembert Trudeau is pretty bad we need to get him gone but an American can't be taken seriously by anyone when talking about a current head of state!
"We're F**ked" I love the honesty
Doc Holliday and it’s the commissioner which is funny
yeah because they understand that America is full of a bunch of Soft Pansys now. Im American BTW
I'l admit I LOL'd at the assertion that a Canadian jury would condone a lethal hockey fight.
I think it would depend on how it happened. If you don't drop the stick and the gloves then yeah.....if you used the stick or the blade of your skates then yeah. If a guy gets punched and just lands wrong on the ice....then probably not. Again, there is a lot it could depend on.
@@blumenflower6539 no it's not, is the voice of ross Bernstein not the commissioner
Attendance will plummet if they eliminate fights and they know that
"I watch hockey for the fights" fans aren't the ones going to the games
Thats funny because the "I watch Nascar for the crashes" fans definitely want to be there. I guess it's a cheaper ticket than NHL.
Would not surprise me if someone goes to a race just to see a crash.
So people that pay $600 to be on a waiting list to pay big bucks for season tickets then finally when their turn comes up they will stop going if somthing that happens in about 1 out of every 6 games stops happening? I dought it. I don't mind fighting. I feel after a real cheep shot it has its place. Let's also not forget when there was fighting recently say 10 years ago it was not the fights of the 80s and 90s. It was 2 players only on the team for that and they would wrestle it out and one would end up falling on top of another. I have never heard an arena louder for a fight then a goal for the home team. Hockey is the best sport there is. Fighting is just a small side note. Anyone that really follows it knows that.
@@HiVizCamoThat's because they huff paint and drink PBR while pregnant with their 10th kid
They should ban fighting in boxing
mike Wolfe boxing is based around fighting and has more rules. While hockey these people are just fighting cause their whiny little bitches.
RoBro Hard to be a bitch when you're fighting bare knuckled with no guard, as opposed to padded gloves. (not to say boxers are little bitches, but it sure doesn't help their case by wearing padded gloves).
Also, fighting in hockey does have a purpose, to discourage players from taking runs at another teams star player in hopes of injuring them to gain an advantage. Their are also rules for fighting in hockey, some which are specified as more serious penalties by the rulebook, though most are unwritten (though known by all players and practiced by most all).
KJ110813 sound like a dumbass.
There has yet to be a comment more retarded than somebody stating fighting needs to be a part of hockey. It *CAN* be, but we have *no* proof that fighting lessens injuries.
longliverocknroll5 just watch kids play now... they play to injure i have seen far more elbows, hits from behind in division where fighting isn't allowed then the opposite
This video is the perfect length
McCoy Preston did you know the NHL is the most lenient on marijuana usage? Several NHL players (Mostly Defenseman) have admitted to taking edibles.
CJ before or after the game or both
4:19?
That's what she said
Aye 420 we litt
3:54 Such an iconic quote. Never seen a more realistic outlook on the game
Honestly so true
I know almost nothing about Hockey, can you elaborate why the two countries would differ in judging a hockey a fight?
@@SomeOneFromOFS cause hockey fans in Canada, especially montreal and toronto are hardcore fans. They would understand that fighting is still necessary even after a terrible accident. Although fans in Phoenix and Miami are more casual hockey fans (due to them being newer markets, and there is not a culture of playing it as a kid as there is in Canada) would show up to a hockey game and would not entirely understand why fighting is important.
@@SomeOneFromOFS a much higher percentage of people in Canada have played hockey and know about the code
@@fourdoorsmoresmores but theres a big chance that the fighters in the Panthers-Coyotes game are Canadian 😂
I love the Mozart playlist playing in the background.
Damien Chang same
what is the song called?
liamsimpson1994 Mozart you TWAT !! ! !
This is that hxh hunter ost
Friedtunafish77 Mozart Requiem in D Minor, K 626
It's so weird that a straight up fist fight can just break out in a sport. How awesome is that. Hockey is truly the greatest sport.
Jango Fett Well normally, somebody has to do something wrong, like pitchfork the goalie or a dirty hit, back in the day you can fight just to fight
Saying (insert favourite sport here) is the greatest sport is entirely a matter of opinion
Well you can watch rugby, if you want more killing action
Cal rugby? Killing action? You serious?
@@tacoblude8208 i have lots of respect for rugby. Thats legit
Fighting should be allowed because its the quickest and easy way to resolve tension on the ice and its entertaining to watch. Would you rather have some player get smashed from behind or get hit in the nuts by a stick or a simple 30-60 second fight that ends conflict and determines a overall winner
Slug no
I'm pro fighting in hockey but always hated this argument. No, what they want is for the game to be policed the way most professional sports are policed
Which is by enforcing suspensions and big fines to discourage fighting.
Personally, I think it's a part of the sport just like, skating, scoring, passing or checking is. The very first pro hockey game ended in a brawl and hockey isn't hockey without fighting.
It's comparable to arguing that nfl should be touch football with no tackling because it's 'dangerous'.
Kai T evryone who fight is not a good hockey player, they lack of skill so they must fight instead.
Erik you're totally wrong. That's the same as saying that centremen can't play hockey, all they can do is put pucks in the net but they don't have the skills to check, defend or fight. It's just complete rubbish.
Kai T acctually there are hockeyplayers who have only one job on the ice and its starting fights. i think it takes away sportmanship and skill and leaves the sport and instead brings the wwe crowd who scream and yell. its kinda sad acctually.
Removing fights from hockey is like removing signal stealing in baseball, it’s just part of the game.
Wow Mcwow not a good comparison lol- one is cheating and the other isn't
StartGame88 your dead wrong and don’t know a thing about hockey if you think nothing would change if it was taken out of the game. This game would be a lot more dangerous if fighting was taken out, most people understand that but people like you will think that makes no sense. Also poor attitude of sportsmanship? Dumb. Hockey is the most passionate game there is and also the toughest game to play. Also most concussions come from players getting checked into the head not fights. Reasons why players might fight someone... if a player makes a cheap hit on someone from behind and their head goes into the boards. Sorry hockey’s the best game in the world unlike the soft shit like the nba.
StartGame88 watch the movie ice guardians plz
Never Knowing Sign stealing is legal in baseball. Just not with cameras
@StartGame88 We all know there is more to the game than just the game. When I was young my father took me to a minor league game and there was a bench clearing brawl and the crowd went wild I still remember it to this day. It's part of the culture and the energy of the experience. Professional sports are really in a cross roads. The NFL makes rule after rule trying to prevent injuries and concussions it sucks the soul out of it. I think professional athletes just need to accept they are taking a risk of injury making shit loads of money while being a star. If I go weld on a more dangerous job I get paid more. It's my decision to take that risk.
0:16. The kid is so happy while there is blood every where
@Ally Grummitt aye
I grew up in Belleville, Ontario. Daren McCarty used to play for the Belleville Bulls before being drafted to the Redwings. His blood and his victims blood would be all over the ice. having a practice there was awesome. we'd crowd the blood spots on the ice saying: "WOW! THERE'S DAREN McCARTY'S BLOOD!!!! It was so awesome to see especially after watching the game the night before with his fights.
Fighting in the NHL is why I go to games
Seriously
Nhl is dead
@@oneguy7202 tbh i prefer to watch world juniors over nhl. A lot more clean and exciting
I like the strategy and the actual playing game
@me___________________________________________- you’re the clown people have something called an opinion
I'm a South African and Ice Hockey is not a big thing here. I really do think that the fights these guys have is awesome. They sort each other out, when one guy goes down it's done and the game continues and most of the time those two guys have a clean game afterwords. Keep it no matter what.
Louwrens Koekemoer.
Yep, there is a code here when you fight; no kicking pulling hair no martial arts . basically you just hammer away with your fists, get tired and shake hands. Anything else is like a cricketer bowling full tosses at an opponents baby maker over and over again. Hitting him right in his middle stump ha. I may be one of the rare former hockey player/spin bowler combinations in history. Good slap shot, awesome googly.
It also makes players think twice about hitting someone too hard. If you know there's a chance that you're gonna get beat up you're not gonna do anything stupid.
You'd think someone would have the bright idea to bring a gumshield to the games, so that you can fight without the risk of losing all your teeth.
Rory M.P. It's up to the player. Some do some don't.
They do but they get knocked out
A mouth guard's function is not to protect teeth. It is to encourage the user to keep their jaw shut in order to aid in preventing concussion. It does however have the unintended benefit of protecting against bruxism damage to teeth through clenching or grinding teeth against each other.
You'll still loose teeth if you get punched square in the yap while wearing a mouth guard.
They take them off to trash talk
Rory M.P. They lose teeth via sticks, elbows and pucks mostly
The very first game of pro hockey ended in a bench brawl. Fighting is as much a part of the game as checking or scoring.
I think he's right, the fighting prevents worse issues.
Jolly Joel like people walking out because no one wants to see grown men ice skating
bret you nice b8
Andrew Sartori nice skate, see we rhymed
As much as it hurts me to agree with Bettman on anything I do have to agree with this statement
plus the fights themselves aren't actually that bad. The fact that people wear helmets and are on skates on a slippery surface. The ice takes the power out from the punches and facial bones break easily but hits to the face aren't nearly as deadly as hits to the back of the head or the temple
Bro's hair is on point
Trill Nugz ikr
The flow bro
He's not your "bro".
Fraser's an OG
Lol.
If you hate fighting in hockey, I would recommend watching the documentary Ice Guardian.
Do this at NBA, almost every game there would be a fight
Fighting and a shooting.
There's no hitting in the NBA so that doesn't make any sense. Also those pussies don't know how to fight man to man they're all talk.
nasir ali lmfao yah Kat and Embiids fight was real tough all you basketball fans were hyped about that girl fight lmfao nba pushing matches r so tough😂
@@jimmy_butler You can't even skate, shut up
Almost every game there would be shots fired**
FTFY
No one gives a shit if the Panthers and Coyotes play each other
What's kinda funny is that they're actually playing each other in a few days.
LOLOLzzzz very good point
Lmao I'm going to the game tomorrow Panthers vs Coyotes hahaha
as a coyotes fan I have to sadly agree lol
vongunther as a bolts fan, so true. Why do we have 2 teams here again?
Fighting is allowed so we can make fun of soccer flopping Lol
and that's why soccer is the most popular sport on the planet when no one cares about hockey
Castle. Soccer is popular because poor people can play it and the country who invented at one point took over half the world and introduced it to every country they took over. Hockey is a more entertaining sport than soccer in every way.
Based on the intellect you displayed in your post, there's absolutely no point in responding to it.@@Smokealotofblunts
John McGahern he’s not wrong, you need 4 sticks for goal markers and a roughly ball shaped object. There’s a reason people in Africa play soccer over golf
@@CastelDawn Say what you will. There is nothing respectful about soccer flopping, it's actually quite pathetic how accepted it is.
I played all the (major) sports in high school, football, baseball, basketball, etc.; we didn’t have hockey; didn’t start playing hockey until I was in my late teens. And very quickly the one thing I found amazing about the NHL is that there weren’t more fights. I’d never gotten into a fight in any of the other sports I’d played, however in hockey - and I’m talking Adult League non-contact hockey - I’d gotten into a couple within my first few months. The only people who would want to ban fighting in hockey are those who have never played hockey because they don’t understand its significance.
Nobody is ever going to die in a fight in the NHL. The odds of getting punched in the perfect spot to kill someone in one shot are next to none. The fights are also too regulated for anyone to suffer major damage. Once someone goes down it ends. The other player isn't allowed to just beat their opponent until satisfied. If anything someone would die from a big hit or a skate blade long before a fist fight.
@jake are you kidding me, most refs won't allow fights to get to that point. pretty much the unwritten rule is, if a player lands on his knee during a fight, the ref has to call it.
fights are not allowed to get to the point where a player knocks another down, and beats him mercilessly.
you can easily lose balance in a fight and fall backward on the ice...
but if they fall off on their own, they can still allow a fight to go on. Hockey fights happen all the time w/ helmets off
demonpride1975 im sorry but you’re wrong. As long as both are standing, they can knock each others brains out
Diving is actually a minor penalty in hockey now, but your point is still valid. Someone almost died from a skate blade a few years back. A player went head over heels and his skate blade cut the jugular of another player. The doctors and other people that work hockey games are trained for this very thing, and their quick work literally saved his life.
And this is why canadians took Vimy
That is a good one, and Caen to in 1944.
Pity
@Neel Mehta British and Polacks.. But the Canadian were on it too and got the biggest western allied tank ace of the war.
"Were Fucked", nailed it
“It was wicked” only someone associated with hockey would say this about fights in their sport
Ice Hockey, the greatest sport on the planet.
J James besides box lacrosse
Ping pong die?
Sean Mallon nobody watches box lacrosse lmao, or any lacrosse.
Darts??
stop saying "ice " , we know hockey is played on ice !
nhl players actually have respect for each other and the game though. when the fights over, the fights over.
cool
any NHL has a better chance at death catching a slap shot in the chops or a dirty hit going bad or a slash thats to high than in a fight. and if you look at these guys that do fisticuffs are built for it tough enough to do it and know how to protect them selves. fighting is one of the staples that made hockey what it is today and should not be changed the players have a code let them have there respect and keep team mates and themselves safe.
KoivuTheHab that's what you need
beast mode Agreed. Even a stray skate blade is probably one of the most likely causes. Fighting will have long term effects on a player's health but I don't think anyone's gonna die from it.
And how many non-fighting deaths have there been?
Edgar Dey? Alexei Cherepanov? Dmitri Uchaykin? Bengt Akerblom?
You brought up the non-NHL fighting death.
Fighting serves as the games player controlled self--regulation. When fights are allowed and you have players on your team not afraid to fight, then you will see less dirty plays and risky hits. Why was Gretzky able to produce mostly unopposed? He had a big guy on his team that would rip your head off if you targeted him.
What you see now in the league since they've cracked down on fighting and less and less enforcers come into the league is that players resort to dirty hits, leg sweeps, slashes, chops, elbows, etc in order to enact their frustrations or revenge. Not only are most of them tied to smaller fines/penalties, but they're much easier to conceal in the hustle and bustle of the fast plays. Before, if someone speared one of your teammates, it a was an invitation to fight, and it would be settled.
With a fight, both players are expecting the aggression and have the opportunity to defend and protect themselves, whereas with all the aforementioned dirty plays, the victim has no chance to defend themselves. This opens up a bigger risk for injury.
The current rules encourage players to be sneaky and dirty, and also encourage putting yourself in dangerous positions (turning your back to an oncoming defender to draw the boarding call, for example), and leads to much more hazard to the players than fighting ever would.
I agree with all of what you just said. And i love a good fight every now and then, especially when its for a good reason. Theres nothing wrong in my books with the occasional brawl to keep each other in check and put on a show.
BUT, people were dying, or at least getting lasting physical and in some cases psychological damage. That is why fighting is being slowly removed. Just look at derek boogard. He was a powerhouse of a fighter, but he said on multiple occasions that most of the time he just wanted to play some hockey. But being the baddest goon in the league, he always had people trying to throw down with him. He slowly just deteriorated, struggled with therapy and drug problems, and those issues eventually took his life.
I honestly think that instead of removing fighting, they should regulate it. If an official sees two guys getting heated, they should go check it out, listen to what theyre beefing over and if they think its a worthwhile reason to have a tussle, let them go at it for a minute or two. If its over some bullshit or just trying to look good, they should just have to go to their benches and cool off. It would keep it as part of the game, but at the same time minimize the damage caused by it.
You can say the same thing for any team sport... But for some reason fighting in leagues like the NBA isn't accepted...
Let's take a guess why it's accepted in the NHL but not the nba lol
@@kingsupreme25 Victim.
@@kingsupreme25 because basketball is inherently less dangerous than hockey
@@kingsupreme25 also a street fight is much more dangerous than a hockey fight because you have no protection whereas in hockey if you fall you get saved by your helmet
a fight in basketball would be more dangerous since there’s nothing protecting you and you can more easily land punches
3:55 the last part of what he said had me dying. 😂
Orange Man ok orange man
@@ketchup5159 okay u gay
With the new style of play where there are less enforcers we see more cheap shot artists. Take the slew footing rat for example. If more people stepped up to fight he probably would think twice.
Jens 95 most goals in the league so I don't matterrrrrrrr Marchand is god
Jens 95 You are absolutely correct. I just came back as a serious fan this year after 15 years away. I was stunned by all the cheap shots going unpunished. It's dangerous with the stick work carving players and checks in the back.
If the boston pussy has the most points at the end of the season and wins the art ross trophy imma be pissed. Mcdavid needs to come thru.
Marchand will fight though. obviously he plays on the edge of the rules, but he obviously can play
If he was on any other team I'd hate him
If someone hits someone from behind. There will be a fight. If fighting is not allowed the player who made the hit from behind will get hit from behind even worse. Fighting makes the sport safer imo
Kai Bakker Agreed. The refs don't see what the players see.
Better officiating would make the sport safer.
Better officiating would not do anything to make the sport safer. Even if you give out a penalty for every big hit people will still go for payback. Fighting keeps people from making those dangerous hits in the first place and give players an outlet to get the payback without doing another dangerous hit.
+PlumbSmasher I agree with your logic, which goes something like this: I see dangerous hits in hockey, and in my imagination fighting will take care of that problem, and since fighting is allowed we should not have the problem of dangerous hits, yet there are still dangerous hits, so fighting should be allowed. Makes perfect sense.
Violet Deliriums i dont think you understand how much dirtier hits can get. most big hits now arnt that bad, painful, but not too awful. fighting keeps the career enders away
While I don't really find fighting in hockey to be particularly entertaining, I do think that it has its place during particularly dirty/rough games. When the opposite team starts trying to injure your star players, someone needs to be able to defend them. Imagine how ugly playoff games would get without fighting.
If fighting is ever banned in the NHL, they better also ban fighting in boxing and UFC.
Those are combat sports.
I get SO mf scared I’m just scared something will happen especially when the other team gets on our team
That doesn't make any sense omg lol
"If fighting is banned in a sport whose main objective is getting a puck into a net, then we should ban fighting in sports whose main objectives are fighting."
-"Nick", 2018 or 2019.
I would love to see a study on who actually wants fighting gone. Because I bet at least 80% of em have either never played or are casual fans who have no clue what a 1-2-2 low is.
I'm doing a report on hockey and how its the most dangerous sport, but it's why we love it
Grady Walker Lol what are you talking about American football is much more dangerous
Samuel Lubell for career ending injuries, maybe. But to be a hockey player requires a special breed. Losing teeth, pucks and sticks to the face almost on a nightly bases, being cut open day in day out, I play minor league hockey, NHL is even on a whole other level than that. Not to say football isn’t a tough sport, but take a spill into the boards wrong and your not having a fun night
Samuel Lubell I used to think to but I've looked into. Both and you only hear about more injuries in football because its so much more popular, I broke my leg about five weeks ago from football and I'm still in a cast but I still think football is more dangerous
Let's just agree that hockey and football are both dangerous sports and that they are the 2 best sports in the world :)
I say that instead of settling a tie in a shootout, we have both teams clear their benches against each other in fisticuffs. The team with the last man standing wins.
Need to challenge a goal or penalty call? Fight the ref.
Coach used all his timeouts and needs another one? Send in an enforcer to fight the dude who controls time on the scoreboard.
Playing an away game and the fans keep booing you? Kick their ass.
Are you a spectator and in line for the washroom during intermission? Fight for dominance of the urinal.
Chuck Norris the bruins must of time travelled to see this comment as they had a fight with the rangers crowd
you need more likes
This sounds like somethinf George Carlin would say 😂
Hahaha yes!
Funny comment, but stupid too.
Can confirm, fighting in hockey is 10/10 worth it, not matter the penalties.
No doubt🤘🏾
Mozart fits this video PERFECTLY!
The reason fighting stays isn't just because it was there yesterday, or because fans enjoy it. Hockey is the only major team sport without regular stoppages. Soccer might not stop, but it's so spread out that guys spend a lot of time not doing anything. Basketball doesn't exactly stop, but every time someone scores, there's a few moments to slow down and regroup. Baseball and football are turn-based sports, after every play, you stand around for a bit. I've seen hockey games where play doesn't stop for 8, 9, 10, 12 minutes in a single stretch. Sure, players get changed out, but that's still a lot of time for people to get pissed.
so these dumbasses are too stupid to implement stoppage time between certain plays. . .leave it to canada.
Plus there’s no out of bounds. That’s a massive distinction vs all other sports.
2016-2017 NHL season need fights to occur in 60% of games
Boo
Yeah that didn't happen. Fighting is damn near extinct
500% in the playoffs
My man i came across this ramdomly, im from europe never played hockey, never will probably but i hoped we had similliar rules in soccer, nowadays players get touched and imediatly cry to the ref for a foul, you guys have my full respect for letting this go on.
Fights are mandatory because hockey is about standing up for yourself and your team. Don't bully me and we won't drop the gloves.
Adrian Valenzuela 90% of leagues in hockey culture don’t allow it. Only juniors and pros in the US.
LOL Chris "Knuckles" Nilan LOL
he knows da wae
_its a dead meme i know k_
Nilan's got his demons, but he's a basically OK guy. I've talked to him for about a half-hour. We went to the same High School.
That"s also part of his Twitter name as well @knucklesnilan30
Hockey has a special place in my heart because of this.
Fighting in hockey isn’t just about beating the shit out of the other team. If your team is down 1-2 goals and you’re trying to get the fans and the team fired up, it’s awesome!
I find fighting in hockey to be a fascinating dichotomy - on the one hand, it's clearly illegal and players are penalized for it according to the official rules. On the other hand, it's an accepted tactic because of the many ways it can affect the state of play.
I think it's actually a really interesting study on masculinity in general: even though there is not necessarily any real advantage statistically to fighting, it's still understood among players that fighting is a necessary component of the game in order to keep players on their toes and keep the 'status quo' of play in general. It makes one wonder if fighting is perhaps a necessary component of the male psyche: that perhaps maybe conflict is not exactly as detrimental as we've taught it is, at least in the realm of competing males.
You know what Fallout says; War Never Changes. Conflict is in Mankind’s blood, we’ve been fighting and killing each other for thousands of years, and it seems foolish to attempt to stop it. But reigning it in is much more manageable
Think Hockey is best to keep to fighting it stops cheating like diving. Just look how bad soccer players cheat all the time its a disgrace how bad they cheat.
Darren Bowen
Mike Ribeiro and many others dived in hockey... Fighting or not.
Dave Toussaint - You are serious now? Comparing diving? Soccer, 10+ dives per game, Obvious ones! Hockey 1-2 possible/clear dives per game. One uses blades to balance 210++lbs on other one uses regular shoes. Balance is a huge factor too.. On the otherhand Soccer is a joke.. even when they fake, they play dead or GSW'ed.. They use their head to clear a ball shot 30-40ft up in the air with forward momentum meaning it will hit somewhat hard on the forehead. Getting a ball "shot" your way and hit the leg (zidane) you simply developed ALS and died? Out of breath after 50m dash trough opponents defence and you enter the "box" all of the sudden your legs doesnt work..
Lordputrik93
My original response was a response to the man claiming fighting help reducing cheating and diving.
Which is false.
The culture of the sport, the way it is officiated, the contributors affectee diving and cheating. Furthurmore, fans can also regulate the game. If all the fans loathed an aspect of the game... Sooner or later, it will disappear.
Changing the subject, I've rarely saw cheating and diving in rugby and football as much as in hockey. And guess what? There's no fighting allow.
Fighting helps in a way, if you never played hockey you wouldnt understand its that simple, i cant make you understand that aspect. I bet alot of fans doesnt like diving in soccer, but is it gone? has it changed anything? does the divers get reviewed like in hockey and fined afterwards? You rarely saw that since you are biased, everyone has played soccer its just that simple, but not everyone has played hockey, not to a level where you would understand the meaning of the toughness and way of handling things. I mean look at how long it took to ban Suarez who bites every now and then.. look at all the clear dives just in 2017 when a player is exhausted and in the goalkeeper box. On a sidenote, often when diving occur in hockey its not appriciated by anyone, you can even find post game interviews with team-mates saying pretty much "he went down a little bit to easy" Diving in hockey is frowned upon in every way. Doesnt seem like it is in soccer. Alot of the soccer fans states "its a part of the culture" or "way of the game" to gain advantages trough cheating. I've played both sports, and i must say, since the ref in soccer wont take aid from a camera ref to make sure a situation is called correctly i will never have respect for it, Just by having one guy reviewing the play when a freekick is called and the ref is only 90% sure it was the right call to make, he can talk to the camera guy and have it reviewed, taking it even further he can watch it on a pad carried by the linesmen and then make the correct call, like refs do in hockey when uncertain of a goal. Back to the subject, fighting helps not just againts the guys who are there to mess with your "point makers" but also to regulate the moral and set the tone of the game, refs have a huge impact on it but there is a limit to what they can do, If someone gets under your skin and you slash him next shift, you have to deal with the consequences of slashing someone, refs will give you a minor for it, but a guy in the other team will punch you for doing such a stupid thing, next time he gets under your skin you will think twice about slashing him, not due to the 2min penalty but the fight that will occur after it.. there is only such much a ref can do to the game..
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I've played tough sports in my life : football and I get my hand in hockey too (for a short period of time) & rugby.
Fighting, on the contrary, led to more cheap shots.
Look at how many cheap shots were given when The Broad Streer Bullies or the Big Bar Bruins played the Montréal Canadiens.
Fighting and goons were there and yet it didn't police the game at all. What about the Québec Nordiques versus the Montréal Canadiens Vendredi Saint's game...
Nowadays, many ex-NHL even questionned themselves about it place in hockey : Ken Dryden, Mike Bossy, Serge Savard.
No fighting equals a Ross Rhea slash to the head
The Canadian family of the deceased would apologize for fighting in the first place.
Now now, you're confusing Canadians about how they are regarding anything else with Canadians about how they are regarding hockey.
The fights are the best part of the game!! They need to stay!! Im a huge hockey fan and anytime there is a fight it gets all the fans excited. Ive seen 5 fights in the games ive gone to and each time the players fight its always exciting.
"We had bench clearing brawls in the 70's, It was wicked" hahahahaha
I agree, as a Pens fan no less... but to look most recently Malkin had a very questionable hit on Wheeler of the Jets that did not result in a suspension. So the next time they met Malkin agreed to a fight and took a couple hits to settle the score, and that was it. No injuries resulted in their "battle".
BestChampify an excellent example of players policing themselves, all the players and on ice officials knew the fight was coming and they all let it happen and credit to Malkin for stepping in and settling it
Lets ask knuckles what he thinks about fighting. *Lets knuckles out of the penalty box.
Knuckles- fighting good. I go back to cage now.
Alternate reality: Knuckles - well, the 2 1/2 seasons I've spent serving in the penalty box I've used constructively to do a lot of soul searching and deep self psycho analysis, and the conclusion that I've come up with is that violence is never the answer and I should use my words to resolve conflict.
you should check out Nilan's stats sometime. He became a decent NHL player, nit just a good fighter.
NHL: The major penalty when involved in a fight is 5 minutes sit out.
NFL, NBA, MLB & UEFA: We don't do that here.
If you start a fight in soccer, you will be the most hated player on the planet for the next few days. Two Newcastle United players brawled each other during a match many years ago, and were both sent off. To this day, they are both considered to be a disgrace to the sport.
i learned to skate before i could walk as a kid back here in BC Canada. People always complain around here they didnt get enough hugs as a kid. i got plenty my family called them headlocks. Anyways ill never forget as a child going to see a fight and a hockey game broke out, inspired me to play hockey.
1:30 so is High Sticking, but you didn't know that did you, Kerry.
gotta search 70's hockey brawls
Fighting is just part of the game of hockey. Deal with it! God Bless the NHL!
video is 4:20 in length.....blazed
Nicholas Razo that's ehat she said
bret you not really...
It is actually 4:19 on my screen...
Hey I'm all for this video, but taking ref advice from Fraser is ridiculous. "fighting is illegal" yeah well so is high sticking during the 93 leaf playoffs.
it cost us the Cup!! We will never forget!!
lol leaf fan so salty haha. though my team ain't much better lately :/
cashtheyen I'm not even a Montreal fan. I like Colorado.
cashtheyen what team you support?
still wouldnt have won the cup tho
Love how Dave Schultz is in half of these shots, the Hammer is a legend
To whoever edited this video, you did a great job!
I love fighting in hockey. I love big hits in hockey. The only thing I can't stand, is that it seems like these days teams fight any opposing player that hits. It's annoying. They need to make a rule that states if you fight someone after they LEGALLY check someone, you are immediately ejected from the game. I wanna see fighting, and I wanna see hits, but if your boy had his head down and gets rung, help him back to the bench and teach him to keep his head up, don't start fighting the checker; THAT is why fighting will be banned... because idiots use it when it's not necessary.
I see where your coming from but, A teams tough guy is there to patrol the ice or watch from the bench and protect his teammates and star players. He is on the team to keep the star players healthy. How healthy would they be if they got legally checked 30 times in a game night after night? If Sidney Crosby who I can't stand had 2 enforcers on his team he wouldn't get hit and concussed nearly as much. Star players are huge investments. Think of star players like fancy cars and big mansions. Enforcers are the alarms that protect them.
A great reason too keep fighting is mainly because the first ever hockey recorded hockey ended in a fight between a restless crowd and the players. Its apart of our history
I'm 47, so I got to grow up watching the Broad Street Bullies. It was an amazing time to be a Flyers fan. I wish I had known how amazing it was, but I was too young. I just liked how a grown up was taking the time to teach me this weird game. Its one of my first memories...watching Flyers games in my uncles basement while all the adults drank beer, smoked and cheered at the TV.
Anyway, I've seen the game change, and rather dramatically. Nobody used to wear any helmet, except the goalie, and even then he just had the type of goalie mask in the Jason horror movies. Fights were guaranteed. The losing team seemed to almost always instigate something when the game was out of reach late in the 3rd period. It created rivalries unlike that in any other sport. It also kept players honest. If you went after a teams star player, you can bet your ass you were going to have to face one of their goons later in the game. It was even more amazing in person. My uncle had season tickets since the Flyers inaugural season, so he had pretty good seats at the Spectrum. He'd take me once or twice each season. Back then, winning held additional challenges. If a team couldnt beat you with skill, they beat you with braun. As a matter of fact, thats how the Broad Street Bullies were born. After the Canadiens had kicked their asses left and right and humiliated the Flyers, he said that would never happen to us again, and built a team of thugs to protect their stars.
Rivalries arent the same with how dramatically the fighting has dropped. Watching the game isnt nearly as satisfying as it used to be....the game was perfect in the 70s and 80s....IDK why they had to ruin a good thing.
Growing up watching hockey all my childhood and in adulthood but there is a certain response to each fight, once your rival team as well as it being awesome feeling.
Hockey to me feels like the last and only sport left untouched by todays movements and softies. Left pure, raw, and beautiful. I’m sure some of the old cats feel differently but I’m a new fan supporting my hometown team. This is the only sport I watched a game from start to finish and wasn’t bored for a second. This sport is wild and the energy in the arenas are intense. I’m not gonna lie growing up in the southern U.S. I thought it was boring for a long time. I’m 23 now and I regret not being brought to a game a lot sooner. This is the greatest sport ever. I wanna know what it feels like to slide a puck across the ice.
It is touched by the softies like anything, just luckily not really that much at the NHL level. Here in Europe in most leagues you get 5+20 for fighting. In the OHL they wanted to ban not only fighting, but HITTING which is insane. There are also a lot of fans complaining about fights after clean hits, which I don’t agree with since fighting can be used as a tactic so that the other team doesn’t hurt your stars, but I don’t think the comments by fans have affected the game
Without fighting, it would be a blood bath of cheap shots and payback. Players follow the code, drop the gloves and are done with it. It’s a respectable game
whats the song in the background? I fell in love heard it so many times
Bench clearing hockey brawls? What a time to be alive. Man did I miss out
the last part is the greatest thing i have ever heard. period...
LOL
I played hockey for 18 years, it doesn't happen just on the ice. I've been to bars where players from other teams has been and we've had fights in there too, more commonly during playoffs or tournaments. It's intense.
If fighting is ever 100% gone from the NHL, then there would be more *Bertuzzi vs Moore* incidents.
What Bettman said on the difference between Canadian and American games, he's right, Americans would flip their lids.
I remember on a field trip when I was in 3rd grade, the Solar Bears and another team (that I forgot) got into a big fight right infront of where our school sat.
fighting is a must in hockey just to get some frustration out especially if your playing the same guy every shift on the ice and he keeps hacking your legs with the stick or does any sort of cheap shots they will fight and usually after they are both happy.
i love the fighting in Ice Hockey it's one of the best things about the sport in my opinion!!
Exactly!!!
I love how you edited out the "f---" in the captions but not in the sound.
What’s the song in this video? I find it so relaxing.
Fighting in hockey protects the investment of the star player.
The fighting has gone down so much in the past few seasons tho :/
Even bettman gets it. Its not even a question. It helps way more than it hurts
I love the look of joy on that kid's face at the very end.
I love it when as soon as the whistle drops so do the gloves..
We need more fighting and that last quote hahha
Fighting has a purpose in hockey. It keeps players in line. Like the video said, hockey is a high contact sport with tons of emotion. Now that fighting is on the decline, more crap moves like Nyquist spearing Spurgeon is happening. Hell, if Boogard was still on the roster, bless his soul, Nyquist would have never, ever, even thought of doing what he did. Fighting curbs the crap dirty plays that are on the increase. I'm not saying we have bench clearing brawls ever again, I'm just saying that goons can still be a good asset to the game.
Hockey is also a sport where you go stupid fast on ice with no way to stop abruptly meaning people are going to get bodied. And everyones a little for likely to fight after being bodied to the ground
“No one leaves their seat during a fight.” Thats why people were pissed when I asked them if they wanted a beer during a fight! No joke…was invited to a Kings vs Blackhawks match. Heard the whistle, and asked if anyone wanted a beer and tried to leave me seat. One guy yelled at me “are you f-ing serious! You’re in the way.” Whistle blew, play was dead…so 🤷♂️
fighting is part of the charm of hockey and nhl its what makes it different then other sports
Less fighting is due to the rise of analytics. The math shows that the age old tradition of having a low skill enforcer whose role is solely to fight is actually less valuable to your team than just having an actual skilled hockey player in his place.
You know I honestly had my mind swayed by this video. Very good points
As a basketball player, I wish we could go back to 1980s basketball where there were no such thing as technical fouls and flagrant fouls, whereas today we just play a sport way too organized and to controlled by referees
Back in the day Americans used to make fun of Canadians for being nice and weak people.
Fast foward to today and we are labeled as the most sensitive country and I get pissed because it's so fucking true.
Canada is still worse.
Fenix that still sounded nice, for a Canadian.
Absolutely fighting should stay in hockey. It's already pretty annoying that there's been less and less of it in recent years. I think it's pretty clear that the NHL is slowly trying to push an anti-fighting agenda on the sport and it's pretty ridiculous. Of course fighting should always be closely watched and enforce penalties on it , but let it happen. Like I hate seeing the refs break up a fight when it just barely got started.
They keep it in control. Fight when needed, stop when done.
i think it helps players vent their frustration and move on as long as someone is there to prevent them from mauling each other