What Happened To Nassir Amit? - 40K Theories

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  • After departing his homeworld of Cretacia for a seemingly routine mission, Nassir Amit, the first Chapter Master of the Flesh Tearers, would vanish without a trace. So what fate could have befallen the first Flesh Tearer?
    This is an updated and remastered video with additional information and higher quality audio.
    Featuring Papa Manatee as Nassir Amit
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Komentáře • 162

  • @40KTheories
    @40KTheories  Před 3 lety +130

    First off, yes this is an update and remaster of a previous episode. The reason I decided to come back to this one is due to a number of people pointing out that a character named "The Flesh Tearer" appears within the audio drama "Chosen of Khorne". This video now includes the info from that particular source.

    • @darkenvader
      @darkenvader Před 3 lety +6

      Can you do something on the current lore of the Raptors?

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  Před 3 lety +16

      @@darkenvader What did you have in mind, topic wise about them?

    • @darkenvader
      @darkenvader Před 3 lety +9

      @@40KTheories well sticking to the theme of theories, are they the original chapter or are they a new one that took the name, possible retribution for concealing their homework, anything really I'm about to paint a army with their colors.

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  Před 3 lety +12

      @@darkenvader I can try and look into them at some point :)

    • @Brother_Nihilus
      @Brother_Nihilus Před 3 lety +1

      If this really is an update, why didn't you say that in the title/video?

  • @JudicialBrat
    @JudicialBrat Před 3 lety +157

    Nassir Amit became Doom Guy in Khorne's Domain

    • @bladestormviking
      @bladestormviking Před 3 lety +5

      true story.

    • @Rakanarshi2
      @Rakanarshi2 Před 3 lety +5

      @@bladestormviking That would make an epic warhammer 40k FPS I would be so into that!

    • @robertnelson9599
      @robertnelson9599 Před 3 lety +5

      He probably joins up with Tuska Daemon-Killa from time to time.

  • @juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370

    Doom Slayer: new here?
    Nassir Amit: yeah.
    DS: wanna go rip and tear?
    Nassir: YES.

  • @bladestorm337
    @bladestorm337 Před 3 lety +65

    Nassir Amit: Sanguinius your brother Horus has been corrupted by Chaos
    Sanguinius: H E D I D N O T!!!

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  Před 3 lety +54

      "He did naht heet her, he did naaaaht. Oh, hi Primarch."

    • @Jumezland
      @Jumezland Před 3 lety +19

      "He did naht heresy, he DID naaht"
      *Throws drained chapter serf*
      "OH hi, Nassir"

    • @cosuinofdeath
      @cosuinofdeath Před 3 lety +4

      @@40KTheories hahaha

    • @Ajehy
      @Ajehy Před 3 lety +4

      For this scene, he borrows Corvus’s hairdo.

    • @supremeghost7950
      @supremeghost7950 Před 3 lety +3

      @@40KTheories "Anyways hows your crusade going?"

  • @Drunkle2552
    @Drunkle2552 Před 3 lety +86

    I want see flesh tearers working with space sharks and minotaurs on a crusade.

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  Před 3 lety +50

      I pity the poor sods who'd have to face all three of those chapters at once...

    • @MrLaz0rz
      @MrLaz0rz Před 3 lety +19

      @@40KTheories
      lamenters, but somehow they still survive so they can continue being sad about it. the only un-killable chapter.

    • @Madjo-qj2ge
      @Madjo-qj2ge Před 3 lety +6

      Damn
      Sounds like Khorne's Birthday present

    • @Drunkle2552
      @Drunkle2552 Před 3 lety +3

      @@MrLaz0rz they're just depressed version of salamanders without all the fire and stuff.

    • @kevski_021
      @kevski_021 Před 3 lety +7

      Don't forget about the Executioners

  • @videopolice432
    @videopolice432 Před 3 lety +35

    Sanguinius: I believe you my son, for your remarkable honesty, and that no matter the situation you only speak truths.
    Nassir: Uncle Horus is a traitor.
    Sanguinius: HOW DARE YOU SPEAK SUCH OBVIOUS LIES?!

    • @mewletter
      @mewletter Před 3 lety +6

      The truth sounded so ridiculous to him at first and really hard to accept this.

  • @TheRedThirst
    @TheRedThirst Před 3 lety +129

    The warrior in 'Chosen of Khorne' is not Amit, Kharn himself calls him a pretender in the story. Amit and Kharn were also close friends in the Great Crusade, he would have recognized him if it was Amit

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  Před 3 lety +55

      I do point out how Kharn would have recognised him later in the video itself ;)

  • @APOLLYON-IV
    @APOLLYON-IV Před 3 lety +16

    I love the abundance of "too angry to die" characters in 40k

  • @barlotardy
    @barlotardy Před 3 lety +13

    Chapter Master Amit's personal log, date unknown: "I don't know how long I've walked this blasted hellscape. Every moment is violent struggle. Enemies close in from all sides and attempt to end me. I battle endlessly with no hope of stemming the tide of foes. By the Emperor, I LOVE it here!!!..."

    • @Ajehy
      @Ajehy Před 3 lety +4

      Tuska Daemon-Killa would like to know your location.

  • @Duppyman695
    @Duppyman695 Před 3 lety +51

    "This is MY house ,These are MY warriors" Gabriel Seth !
    Another intresting episode !

  • @Ideo7Z
    @Ideo7Z Před 3 lety +11

    Pretty much what happens to every other Chapter Master: died in combat for a neverending war.

  • @worldlinezero4783
    @worldlinezero4783 Před 3 lety +8

    12:39 World record for the most times using the word blood in one sentence

    • @Ajehy
      @Ajehy Před 3 lety +2

      Like the equivalent of every sentence involving the Space Wolves.

  • @Redemptorchapter
    @Redemptorchapter Před 3 lety +45

    The Flesh Tearer isn't evil...they just have passion.

    • @joshuapolites374
      @joshuapolites374 Před 3 lety

      Let me ask you when you see a lion eating a gazelle do you think that lion is evil

    • @Richard34236
      @Richard34236 Před 3 lety

      Great statement but grammatically incorrect

    • @paulpolito2001
      @paulpolito2001 Před 3 lety

      A sentiment shared by every would-be tyrant, despot, and sociopath since time immemorial.

    • @joshuapolites374
      @joshuapolites374 Před 3 lety

      @@paulpolito2001 what are you trying to say

    • @paulpolito2001
      @paulpolito2001 Před 3 lety

      @@joshuapolites374 lol, just having a larf.
      “I’m not , I’m just passionate!” is a common excuse for atrocious behavior, historically.
      Already wrote more than I intended, so I’ll go ahead and give an opinion to your earlier question: a predator killing and eating another living being - for the purposes of survival - isn’t inherently evil or wrong.
      All imho, but so is my opinion that “I love your surname!”, Polit’s of the world, unite!

  • @Isiahkan
    @Isiahkan Před 3 lety +62

    Your upload time is perfect as it's 7pm here in New Zealand and that's dinner time for me

    • @cerberus9832
      @cerberus9832 Před 3 lety +1

      Litteraly from the other half of the world its 8am just woke up and already got my 40k fix for today

    • @KiwiSpartan01
      @KiwiSpartan01 Před 3 lety

      And it's fucking cold too

  • @angerousangel9371
    @angerousangel9371 Před 3 lety +12

    It's also very possible that Anit met his fate on a Khroneate daemon world. In the audio drama Sins of the Father, Sanguinius had a vision of a potential fate for Amit. The vision contained an unhelmeted Amit while he hunted a daemon only to drown in a flood of blood due to his armour being very heavy and unsealed. This could mean that perhaps Amit's terminator suit meant ironically intended of hazardous and underwater exploration was his downfall. With the possibility that it the helmet was later recovered empty at a future time by the Flesh Tearers since at that time it was Amit's last known location.

  • @mercenarygundam1487
    @mercenarygundam1487 Před 3 lety +42

    Nassir Ammit is playable in DOOM Eternal. That's the name of the Doom Marine you play as obviously.

  • @Hollywood113807
    @Hollywood113807 Před 3 lety +28

    What a coincidence, I just listened to the Hunger audio drama again today.

  • @StealthNinja4577
    @StealthNinja4577 Před 3 lety +39

    He's still running around causing trouble for chaos. There's so many space marines that go missing or are part of the legion of the dammed in the warp that I wouldn't be surprised if they joined up and were constantly fighting. Horus is still apparently doing the chaos trials after all

    • @StealthNinja4577
      @StealthNinja4577 Před 3 lety +4

      @@BarbaPower91 I thought each chaos god had a trial for him which gave them a portion of his soul that they then back filled and corrupted him. Those soul fragments since time doesn't work the same still think he needs to complete the trial and therefore technically still exist. Idk there's probably a lore video by 40k or Arch on horus that better explains it.

    • @hardcase722
      @hardcase722 Před 3 lety +4

      @@BarbaPower91 I believe part of his soul was given to the gods to act as their “play thing” on Moleck after he went thru the chaos portal. I believe there was a traitor Astartes that went thru the portal and saw Horus fighting against daemons

    • @robertnelson9599
      @robertnelson9599 Před 3 lety +3

      Yeah, I agree it is a little ridiculous that so many Space Marines could potentially come back just because GW feels like it.

    • @StealthNinja4577
      @StealthNinja4577 Před 3 lety +3

      @@hardcase722 yea that thing. That's why I think horus could actually get a redemption arc

  • @ej.crusing6130
    @ej.crusing6130 Před 3 lety +10

    I leave for a year and suddenly, theories are now 15+ minutes

    • @Ajehy
      @Ajehy Před 3 lety +3

      There’s more lore now, and Remleiz knows more. It’s fun!

  • @DavidAsimov0
    @DavidAsimov0 Před 3 lety +24

    You know it is a good day once you see a 40k theories vid in you're notifications.

  • @ballerlarva4214
    @ballerlarva4214 Před 3 lety +5

    Khorne saw Amit and then stepped down as the Blood God, thats why Amit now has the voice of an angry God.

  • @MrKago1
    @MrKago1 Před 3 lety +12

    heh, he really went on to found the Angry Marines.

  • @jonathantheslow
    @jonathantheslow Před 3 lety +46

    I think that he went full Doom Slayer and started slaughtering Khorne daemons to a heavy metal soundtrack.

  • @GreatChickenGod
    @GreatChickenGod Před 3 lety +18

    i would think that "the flesh tearer" that Kharn killed would most likely be from the Night Lords, seeing as his weapon of choice is a chain glaive. i would like to think that Amit fell to chaos becoming a Prince of Khorne, and still bearing his dual chain glaives, which have now warped and melded into his arms and hands.

    • @Dakooties
      @Dakooties Před 3 lety +4

      I'm pretty sure he's a fallen blood angel. Besides the fact that it's pretty much said he also speaks very calm and eloquently, despite being at odds with his appearance, which kind of gives it away for me.

  • @Matt-md5yt
    @Matt-md5yt Před 3 lety +9

    Sweet glad you covered him again.

  • @trevorberryhill2398
    @trevorberryhill2398 Před 3 lety +5

    I LOVE that Amit quote about Guilliman.

  • @boomxchikn7556
    @boomxchikn7556 Před 3 lety +3

    Imagine being too blood thirsty and vicious to hang out WITH LITERALLY SPACE MARINE VAMPIRES

  • @simonw1252
    @simonw1252 Před 3 lety +7

    Nice job, I love Amit, and he's really popular and GW have left the door open for his return, as they do...he's carving chunks out of Demons in Khornes realm, and Khorne is probably just watching and enjoying the show....Amit is tripping balls as Sanguinius, reckon there'd be little chance of turning into a Demon of any kind?

  • @WredFawks
    @WredFawks Před 3 lety +13

    Never been this early on one of your videos. For The Emperor! For Sanguinius!

  • @Big_E_Soul_Fragment
    @Big_E_Soul_Fragment Před 3 lety +38

    Ah yes, the Flesh Tearers, one "Blood for the Blood God" away from becoming a bunch of Khorne worshippers

  • @NemFX
    @NemFX Před 3 lety +9

    He became DOOM GUY. Gabriel Seth put on his helmet, and watched Nessir Amit speedrun DOOM 1, except for real. Knowing that Seth couldn't live up to that, the helmet was destroyed.

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  Před 3 lety +8

      *E1M1 intensifies*

    • @NemFX
      @NemFX Před 3 lety +2

      @@40KTheories Exactly. Nessir Amit gets the happy ending where he gets to run around stomping daemons. Truly he found his way into Ork heaven. I mean, I'm being cavalier about it, but this is Nessir Amit. The guy who liked Kharn because they were both basically nutjobs, who had a point that most people missed. I love the Flesh Tearers, the characters have the best stories.

  • @mobbofmobs8937
    @mobbofmobs8937 Před 3 lety +9

    So I don't have anything to say about the video. But you managed to finally convince me to comment on your videos after years of stubborn refusal to do so. This is my first comment on CZcams ever.

    • @robertnelson9599
      @robertnelson9599 Před 3 lety

      Congratulations, you are just like everyone else :)

    • @mobbofmobs8937
      @mobbofmobs8937 Před 3 lety +1

      Shouldn't you be congratulate him instead? Seeing as though he is the one out of all the CZcams's that finally convinced me to start commenting on videos?

  • @austineutslerj1386
    @austineutslerj1386 Před 3 lety +7

    Always good to see a new upload. It's almost midnight here WA. With all the loss this week this really helps to unwind

  • @NemesisMarine01
    @NemesisMarine01 Před 3 lety +6

    Hunger is probably one of the best audio drama's I have listened too.

  • @supremeghost7950
    @supremeghost7950 Před 3 lety +3

    I am always impressed by your voice actors.
    They really try to mimic the character they quote.
    Really a remarkable task.

  • @VeXoNCoNvIcT
    @VeXoNCoNvIcT Před 3 lety +4

    Love your videos like this, keep them coming

  • @DP-dd6hl
    @DP-dd6hl Před 3 lety +3

    I like the fact that it's a very good possibility Amit is now either a WE champion tearing shit up with his besty Kharn or even maybe a demon prince. Khorne is unpredictable in that way.

  • @samueldoran7712
    @samueldoran7712 Před 3 lety +4

    His anger is his weakness BUT also his strength! He'd never fall because his anger at the force that killed his father. Change my mind

  • @kennycai8695
    @kennycai8695 Před 3 lety +3

    Honestly speaking, we know the answer is obvious: he fell in battle. As enhanced as Space Marines are, they are still mortal, and given Amit's profile, I kind of expect it sooner than later. Although I like to think Amit's progenoid glands (the gene-seed) somehow made their way into a certain Gabriel Seth, but that's just speculating at this point ...

  • @culterwaleddy
    @culterwaleddy Před 3 lety +2

    4:23 Disappeared you say.
    *Looks at the back of the ship*
    Hmmmmmmmmm

  • @gryphonofmight
    @gryphonofmight Před 3 lety +13

    He was "acquired" by the blood ravens

  • @alexwest2514
    @alexwest2514 Před 3 lety +5

    If we were gonna make a list of likely Blood Angel candidates to fall to Khorne....

  • @jamesgorman5241
    @jamesgorman5241 Před 3 lety +9

    Me thinks the Night Lords have infiltrated the Blood Angel's.

  • @KristofKristoferos
    @KristofKristoferos Před 3 lety +4

    Last time I was this early the Rock was still a planet

  • @harryallen1175
    @harryallen1175 Před 3 lety +1

    I get the feeling the fella is now a daemon Prince. No way khorne would pass something like this up.

  • @abimanyuputra5185
    @abimanyuputra5185 Před 3 lety +2

    That's what you get for lax on record keeping. You let Son of Dorn among Sons of Sanguinius.

  • @graemealkins9138
    @graemealkins9138 Před 3 lety +4

    New theory he boarded an enemy ship was killing alot of traitors they opened up a warp gate to escape his vegence and he jumped in after them found his way into khornes realm...khorne fully knowing he can not corrupt amit he lets him carve his way thru hoards till amit dies khorne keeps on reviving him for the sheer pleasure of watch amit go full on black rage leroy jenkins for the rest of time

  • @jeffersonhenrichs3362
    @jeffersonhenrichs3362 Před 3 lety +1

    Korn dosent need consent to power somebody up. Like with the orks in his realm, it's likely nassir suffered the black rage, but that would make him a very shiny target for korns attention.

  • @big_daddy_d1547
    @big_daddy_d1547 Před 3 lety +2

    Nassir found the end game content

  • @michaelhowell2326
    @michaelhowell2326 Před 3 lety +2

    Have any Blood Angels or any of their descendants fallen to the Rage while out of combat, just hanging out?

    • @aarondunn9616
      @aarondunn9616 Před 3 lety

      Their was at least one blood angel in kharn the betrayer warband

  • @mileshawkins3856
    @mileshawkins3856 Před 3 lety +1

    I really hope we discuss "hunger" by Andy Smiley

  • @LtScarecrow87
    @LtScarecrow87 Před 3 lety +2

    He’s clearly kicking it with the Slayer in Hell

  • @lewisirwin5363
    @lewisirwin5363 Před 3 lety +3

    Not even a minute!

  • @hughgedney3393
    @hughgedney3393 Před 3 lety

    A very extremely awesome second video as always 40k Theories.

  • @Uzzgub
    @Uzzgub Před 3 lety +3

    A interaction helps with the Almighty Algorithm

  • @michaelhowell2326
    @michaelhowell2326 Před 3 lety +2

    The son of Kabanda?! Is that evidence that immaterial beings can mate with mortals, or what?

  • @jeramiedavis6782
    @jeramiedavis6782 Před 3 lety +1

    I thought kharn killed him in combat right before he collected his final skulls.

  • @williamwilson1222
    @williamwilson1222 Před 3 lety +18

    Majorkill slammed on One Mind Syndicate (never been a fan) and 40K Theories. Annoying, when Theories has only ever produced well-made and well-researched videos. Needless to say, he lost a subscriber. Competition’s all well and good, but insulting another content creator in the way he did, rubbed me the wrong way.

    • @MoonBeamLaser
      @MoonBeamLaser Před 3 lety +5

      Yeah majorkill bashing on 40k theories was in bad taste, I still like (majorkill) his content.

    • @And-ur6ol
      @And-ur6ol Před 3 lety +5

      I like majorkill and theories regardless.
      If i were to base my like, on how some people get along with other people, i would have very few to actually listen to.
      People dislike each other for various reasons. No youtuber should decide who you like, so whenever they bash someone I like, I just ignore it, because it doesn't matter what they think anyway.

    • @williamwilson1222
      @williamwilson1222 Před 3 lety +4

      @@And-ur6ol True, but I’ve seen the drama unfold with other channels, the responses and so forth. There’s a level of professionalism I expect amongst peers, I guess. I hope that Theories won’t dignify it with a response. I do like Majorkill, but that’s a massive deal breaker for me.

    • @And-ur6ol
      @And-ur6ol Před 3 lety +1

      @@williamwilson1222 so I just watched the video I assume you talk about "40 Facts and Lore On Destroying One Mind Syndicate". I honestly don't think Majorkill is that hard on Theories. Not that I would call it "friendly banter", but Majorkill just talks about Theories in the same way he talks about most people. I also watch Arch a lot, and he takes a dump on him too in the video, which I am fine with, because I don't agree with his critique of Arch, I just also don't mind that about him (Arch).
      But hey, it is not my place either to say who are "good" and "bad". If it is a deal breaker for you, it is a deal breaker, and while I do not share your view, I respect that you take a stance for "talking nice to each other", which is definetely not something Majorkill does to almost anyone (but that is also what makes him entertaining).

  • @guthans
    @guthans Před 3 lety +2

    So many upward inflections

  • @sohrabroozbahani4700
    @sohrabroozbahani4700 Před 3 lety +2

    Amit goes onboard a genestealer infested space hulk with his terminator squad, but they will fall apart due to some structure collapse, Amit cut off from his brethren fights on, stealers fruitlessly try to overwhelm the flesh tearer, he keeps killing not knowing the hulk has swung back into the warp, the bloodletting atracts attention of Khorn, the corridors start to change as Amit keeps killing, stealers ger replaced by deamons but he keeps wading through until he finds himself standing upon the realm of Khorn, his hearts pounding as black rage takes over his senses, his helmet is broken, he removes it as he glimps upon wave after wave of deamons rushing toward him, and he steps over into the realm of khorn, his squad members later find his helmet in a blood soaked corridor yet no sign of their leader, not knowing he had killed unnumbered legions of daemos before falling against them, consumed wholly by the black rage only to be resurrected by Khorn as a mindless champion of blood to keep killing and slaying for the blood god for eternity, for he cares naught where the blood flaws from...

  • @jmagowan12
    @jmagowan12 Před 3 lety +3

    I think we can all say without a doubt that stuff happened.😅

  • @deadlydestroya
    @deadlydestroya Před 3 lety +7

    Jesus 9 seconds ago... I'm so early horus hasn't been found yet.

  • @dstubby82
    @dstubby82 Před 3 lety +2

    Mix up in the space marine maternity ward. Clearly a misplaced world eater. 😊

  • @CommanderBohn
    @CommanderBohn Před 3 lety +2

    Didn't he finally succumbed to the Black Rage after a couple thousand years?

  • @cedricstewart9324
    @cedricstewart9324 Před 3 lety +4

    Hello how are you I like watching your lord shows

  • @faded_specter6495
    @faded_specter6495 Před 2 lety +2

    I wanna see a body before I call him dead. Personally I think he is lost in the warp fighting Deamons of khorne and his helmet just kinda happened to end up in that space hulk

  • @jesselopez5708
    @jesselopez5708 Před 3 lety +2

    Girth One

  • @connormuir6792
    @connormuir6792 Před 3 lety +2

    What happened too nykona sharrowkyn as it was kind of up for debate

  • @TheSpicyLeg
    @TheSpicyLeg Před rokem +1

    On a side note, I dislike the idea of forced daemonhood in the sense that a person actively not wanting apotheosis is forced physically. Becoming a Daemon Prince should require some consent of the being. Now, that can be by deception, desperation, or whatever, but an unwilling being should not become a daemon prince by waiting until they die and make them be one. Chaos gods could torture souls and try to get a being to accept it, but in the end, the being has to make a choice for apotheosis.

  • @vladimirmihnev9702
    @vladimirmihnev9702 Před rokem

    Milk for the Korn flasks!

  • @juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370

    He was admitted in the museum of Trashy the Incontinent.

  • @DavidWilliams-fo1ht
    @DavidWilliams-fo1ht Před 3 lety +1

    🔥

  • @williamjoyce5057
    @williamjoyce5057 Před 3 lety +2

    Sooo...... how long do we have to wait for a theory video about the king in yellow???

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  Před 3 lety +2

      Not until i've read both Bequin books

    • @williamjoyce5057
      @williamjoyce5057 Před 3 lety +2

      @@40KTheories fair enough thank you for all the work you do

  • @omareliskandra4048
    @omareliskandra4048 Před 2 lety

    You said astarties have near photographic memory

  • @vladimirmihnev9702
    @vladimirmihnev9702 Před rokem

    He rage quit!

  • @andrewmcnally5013
    @andrewmcnally5013 Před 3 lety

    Correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the Black Rage caused more by using the geneseed of Sanguinius from AFTER he died?
    If that's the case then Amit can't have fallen to the Black Rage. Instead, he might have given in more and more to the Red Thirst which Khorne would have then used to claim Daemonhood against the now mindless and berzerk Amit.

    • @40KTheories
      @40KTheories  Před 3 lety +2

      No. When Sanguinius himself died, his psychic death scream tainted *all* Blood Angels, even to the point that a number of Blood Angels still on Terra (who would have been unaware of the Primarch's death) immediately succumbed to the Black Rage and launched themselves at traitor legion forces with a berserk ferocity.
      (This _may_ change however when the Siege of Terra novels finally conclude)

  • @Wimpiethe3
    @Wimpiethe3 Před 3 lety +2

    So since this all rests on the words of gabriel seth himself, what if he has lied? After all he donned an artifact that clearly affected him negatively, perhaps it has even corrupted him in the process. Which would give him a motivation to lie about what he has seen.
    And if that is the case would it not be perfect if he would go on to sow dissent in the ranks of the blood angels towards girlyman and his primaris balerina's. Granted seth may have just adopted that mindset due to amit and the rest of the flesh tearers would probably say the same thing. So that could be a stretch. At the same time though, he has perhaps sown a seed of doubt within dante towards girlyman, but that doesn't suggest corruption per se but perhaps just honesty instead.
    I'm just a little suspiscious of a space marine blacking out talking about the words of a violent god and whatnot after putting on a contaminated piece of gear. Just a tiny bit.