@@romanopolanskialso you can’t solder when there is water in a pipe… you can just press Also press has been being used for 20years….. I think the prongs are pretty good by now
I'd be interested in seeing a full cost comparison assuming for arguments sake all your gear was stolen and you decided to choose one or the other as the replacement option how many tins of gas likely to be used in a year in addition to solder and paste versus possibly buying another press fit tool becase the motors knackered lots of good points about fluxing and cleanup but I'd also wonder how it might stand up to water hammer at various pressures and if it could be used on gas. I'm not gas safe so won't know but I'd assume soldering might win out on that one?
Feel like everyone’s missed the best thing about press. You’re not breathing in all those flux fumes, or getting any flux all over your hands and getting into your bloodstream like that. It’s a harsh chemical at the end of the day and reducing or removing that from your day is a massive Benefit
Good point, but even going out breathing fresh air if living in the city you will have pollution, brakedust or chemicals are bad where do we stop, health safety gone mad.
Good insight mark I personally think to test properly the time for soldering should include flux time, neater soldering of joints that you would be proud to hand over (not rushed for a time test) plus clean up of fittings to have an equal finish to the press look. Agree with the price difference issue but the time saved in my opinion would be much greater. Great vid
Agree. + the time it takes to replace the melted plastic fittings (or use a heat mat). Also, each to their own but I am a bit more careful with my flux application than you are. Sorting out the fire alarms... If you take all that into consideration it must be way over 50% faster. It's just the price of a top quality press machine that is putting me off. Not the price of the fittings.
Here's my view for what its worth , been using press fit on and off for 20 years , Its great for plant rooms , pipe racks in ceiling voids , down corridors etc but for domestic under floor boards , under boilers etc not worth the outlay. Stick to soldering. I would never ever risk my reputation on using those cheaper fittings. I personally dont get all this shining up fittings , what's the point ? Been soldering fittings for 40 odd years and this has only come about in the past few years. You would have been laughed at back in the day for doing that. Its not "real world plumbing".
@@romanopolanskiyeah you’re right there. Here in Aus we don’t solder, it’s braze or press. I almost exclusively press fit these days due to the permits required for hot works. I think the bigger you go the time saving is exponential but so is the increase in cost of fittings
Hi mark. Thank you taking the time in doing the comparison. I’ve been sitting on the fence about jumping over to press, and until price of fittings come down I will continue to sit on the fence and carry on soldering.
I do mainly press fit now. And the cost of fittings is passed to the customer. I have noticed a big diffrence in speed in regards to press to solder... the prep work with solder need to be included in the speed as its part of the process.. I understand they both have there place in the right circumstances.. Interesting video though.. hope the angry man (in your shorts) is happy now lol
That was the most informative video I've watched in a long time. Just shows how times have changed and the industry.after 42 years in the industry, I've seen the implementation of pipe slices, plastic push fit, even fittings to go onto lead pipe work,where as we would lead wipe joints.. and now press fit, yes there's a lot of people that are saying the costs are higher,but as press fit becomes more widely used,so the costs of the fittings and equipment will start coming down. Its pluses are you can press onto pipes with a bit of water inside, chances of leaking fittings is minimal, and on a large heating system that's a time saver. Also if you are using press fit 90 % of the time less costs on solder .flux .gas , blow torch equipment. Its not going to cause a revolution, but it has it's advantages in larger domestic and commercial projects. As said before, this video is a comprehensive insight into press fit verses soldered fittings, from a person who is in the industry. Fantastic video.thank you.
Hi brilliant video, I’m starting out on my plumbing adventure after been in the military for 22 years, all the information and videos you do are really appreciated. Keep it up mate 👍
This is the video I have been waiting for for a long time I have always said I am willing to move over to press but only when the cost of the fittings come down, the first recognised manufacturer that brings prices to a reasonable cost compared to what even a SR fitting costs they will start to make more people think I’m so glad you have done a unbiased video on this subject as if you speak to a ‘press’ plumber they can’t see anything wrong and always gloss over the cost part, I always assume they are not self employed and don’t pay the bills!
This is brilliant, it’s proper opened my eyes up. I’ve been using press fits for the last couple of years and I find it better as I’m asthmatic but I think it’s solely down to each persons preference. Another great video thanks again 🪠
Hi Marky , Another cracking video. I still solder all pipe work on domestic installs. But, I follow the 1 hour, rule. After I complete a days install. To ensure now hot spots. But on commercial installs they demand no sparks. Even on rip out, recip,saws only. Ready to start a heating upgrade on a School on the 24th and had to upgrade my liability insurance to 5 million. Take care my friend. (Paul .Paramount plumbing )
Nice video. I did use press only for few years, still use it on some jobs but mainly soldering now. I have noticed I’m spending more time on the jobs but saving on materials. I’m guessing a lot of it comes down to clients we have and budgets we’re working with. Being on set price or quoting for a job which could sometimes be a deal breaker between the two. Worst part of press for me is being clumsy and not charging batteries, takes a lot longer then. 😊
Cracking video great bit of kit but have to use it for the right job but always handy to have if your on a tight time scale or emergency call out but so good to see the pricing and even putting plastic down too
As a DIYer I love soldering fittings as it’s so accessible because of the low cost of tools and parts, although I’ll admit I’d have loved to have borrowed a press fit tool when moving some radiator tails because I was having trouble completing draining down the system. Ended up wet vacuuming the pipe work for 40 minutes before the dribble was slow enough to get a good joint.
Great video, I would personally include flux time, that’s all part of the soldering process so would make a better comparison. All prep should be included for both, deburring, cleaning etc if your process for each type differs. 👍
Great video comparison thank you for the information. I think if you include flux time you should also include the time it takes to mark the depth of the pipe for press fitting as well as the more intensive deburring process required for press fittings so that O-rings are not damaged. Once you do this I think it’s a wash and could be omitted as you did in your video. Thanks again.
Hi Mark just watched this video, I’m not a plumber but after seeing this I certainly would choose soldering I believe it’s more solid so if and when I have any plumbing work I would ask them to do soldering, thanks for your hard work you show us the ins and outs of plumbing.
Just used a friend of mines this week. Quite impressed. Yeah they're expensive but accounting for time prepping, price of solder, flux, wire wool, gas, heat mats, brushs, it does close the price gap. A lot cleaner and no water in pipe issues. I'm trying to convince myself but not there yet😂 Loving the channel by the way. Shows the good, bad and the ugly side of the job👍
Thank you Marc! An interesting comparison which I'm sure will rumble on for awhile. Given the domestic work I do it's not for me although there have been situations where it would've been handy. But there's other fittings and good old compression when yiu can't get water out of a pipe to solder. And there's always the piece of bread technique 😅. Thanks for taking the time and effort to pull this together. You're a 🌟. All the best matey. Oh, and enjoy your holiday! ☀ 🏖 👍
Another great video mate. I use Giberit press for everything now after meeting with the Giberit rep and adjusting the terms on fittings. Seeing a few comments here that pipe and fitting prep should have been included with soldering, but let’s not forget you have to prep the pipe and fitting for press as well.
Most informative video re press fit. The time saving is so small it equates to a cup of tea costing about £30!! I think end feed looks neater so a good comparison would be push fit v press fit. My biggest reason I'm sticking with 'old school' is the cost of the press fit machine for a one man plumber like you (and me!) .I'd rather buy a new van!!
hi mark been watching the content you have been putting out really enjoyed the press fit video as i have been looking into it the pro's and conns really found it usefull keep up the good work was a good over view
Great comparison Tiff, There’s always going to be a place for different plumbing fittings weather it’s soldering, press fit or even plastic and is down to personal preference. I know price differences between the fittings is an eye opener but plastic fittings are just as expensive. End of the day the technology is here in the plumbing industry and for the future and maybe soldering will be a thing of the past, who knows. Also I think the technology is there to make plumbing faster, cleaner and a lot easier especially when you get older. But again every fitting has it’s use. Great video 👍
Very nice. I like pressfit because there are less steps and less prep shielding flammable surfaces including wires. I've been soldering and silver brazing for over fifty years now and I have not had a serious fire but I have scorched a few things. You will never burn a house down with pressfit. Thanks for the video.
I use a mix of solder / endfeed and press fit. In short I use press on new builds (Mlcp and copper) it’s clean no flux no mess to flush out of the pipework so a big time saver. I use soldered fittings on smaller jobs boiler swaps / bathrooms etc. Worth noting aswell that your warranty of your press fittings only stands if you deburr your pipes and mark off the fitting to make sure it’s fully inserted.
I do a lot of council work.. some places you just want out asap..press has been a godsend. You know the type , wipe your feet on the way out, Cos you've stuck to the carpets. In an empty refurb I tend to use solder One thing i have noticed though is guys that pooh pooh solder ring fittings are quite happy to use press fittings that ....well look like solder ring... Is it a snobby thing ?.. Very good comparison I thought, saw exactly where you were coming from with getting over the counter stock Cheers for going to the trouble of making this..
Apologies, I'm not a plumber, but wow, what a massive price comparison with soldering joints and press fit one's it is one to keep an eye out as they vary alot really. And if it was me I'd still have both kits available as you've mentioned there are sites which doesn't allow you to work with flammable works so that's when the other tool comes in handy. But the only bug barrier is carrying both in the vans amongst other thing's and being in the current climate. Those equipment are like gold for the opportunistic lol. Thanks for the training video, haven't you thought of taking up a teaching career as you are a natural at it. 👌😊👌
Hi mark, good video, I have embraced press and love it, time is only a small part, it’s ease, less harmful, no fire risk, a cleaner end product, and as good at soldering we can be there is also the leak element with soldering, also solder wire costs £20 a roll plus the cost of flux. I use MLCP with press and copper press mix this saves me a fortune in time.
hi mark its all about the press for me its cleaner on your hands as well as your lungs, your not setting off smoke alarms and you can press with water in the pipe which is a big bonus, what about the solder price as well as flux, thanks for the video it just confirmed what I knew, press is dearer but better for the environment and for me regards John
Firstly been waiting for you to do this as I am too thinking about press fit. Like you been in trade years and trying to keep up with times. I really appreciate the time & expense you took to do this. Think you answered alot of questions. One I would say benefit is you can do it wet with water in pipe (on a Friday night dying to get to pub) almost like a snatch it live! 😂 thanks again keep up good work. 👍
Hi Mark I have been watching your channel another great video. I work in France where they use pipes from 8 mm up to I think about 40 mm and are most of the time Brazed going up in 2 mm stages normally using 12 mm 14 mm 16 mm 18 mm and 22 mm today 90% of the plumbers use plastic (they use PER like USA) a great system and very quick I am looking at getting a hand operated press which cost about 150€ here and does all the normal sizes, a bit slower but will not use that many times on a job. I then can get a stock of bends, straights, and "T" this will allow me to do all the bits where you can't get all the water out or make a connect to plastic without having to use the heat, if you are only using one or two fittings a job price is not a big problem, copper is very expensive here because it has a thicker wall thickness so could not see me doing complete jobs with them. keep up the good work
Good video mate. Press vs solder is the same as copper vs plastic debate. Plastic is cheaper and quicker but you use it underfloors or where it can’t be seen and stab out in copper or run copper up to boiler and it can become a showpiece in the customers home. Press fit has its place in bigger pipework in commercial plant rooms. My issue with press fit is that’s it’s ideal for 6 month gas ticket crew who don’t have the skill set of the trade. Maybe I’m just old school who would had the shit kicked out me if i had mentioned press fit to my tradesman but I struggle to see the value in it
Hi mark. Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to show us. I am not plumber but it seems that press fit is expensive and quicker. Price could mean you don’t get the job. Thanks Mark have a good week 👍
The important thing to realise is that with press theres nothing to add. Once your on it that it. With solder youve got flux, wire and gas to buy and the torch needs serviced as well just like any gas equipment. The other big plus for press is that if you follow the instructions your guaranteed a perfect joint every time. With solder you can't be sure its gone everywhere properly every time, no matter how good you think you are.
Absolutely fabulous video. Your experiment was perfect and your choice of fittings over the counter was the best comparison possible. Not to often that soldered fittings need to be that polished you can see your face 😂 Soldering for me Only time for press fit would be Commercial or Hot works permit needed. Hope you break even on costs
Ive got a Rems with the angle jaws and use conex fittings, the set up cost near on 2k. Now....i dont think its worth its cost to use on a daily basis in domestic applications as the cost increase to the customer is substantial, so for daily bathroom ,and radiator fitting plus reactive works i still use solder. But i do highly recommended press for when working in loft spaces for the quickness and the peace of mind of no hot work in the roof space.( makes me sleep better at night).. Once again a great video mark,keep up the great work and vids mate.
Great video, but as others have said, you need to include the fluxing time, and the clean up after for the soldered ones. I use solder and pressfit because they both have their place. Press is great where you cant get the water off completely and it is running nust enough that you can't solder, but the fittings just arent as neat as an end feed. There are always going to be places you cant get your press gun, and places you dont want to risk having your blowtorch anywhere near. At fhe end of the day ot is great to have the option of both systems on the van. So now i have end feed, pressfit, compression and a few Hep fittings there js barely any room for anything else in there 😂
I agree about including flux time, it’s part of the task. As a maintenance guy, I would only be doing small repairs, cutting out leaks etc, so the huge bonus for me is being able to get the joint done whilst there is water either standing in the pipe, or passing from a valve, that’s the main problem facing me on repairs. For me though, as a preference I’d use neither. I like to use Tectite copper pushfit fittings, no flux or solder, no press time, just deburr and push together.
Interesting Mark you have been busy with your rigs and calculations but i will stick to soldering also think the pressfit gun is very expensive need a lot of work to get your money back
I’ve just found the answer to my question about that machine you were using in your comparison Vidio for press fit v soldering. I got the answer by watching the end of your video. I should have watched it to the end before asking my question. £1,400- £1,500 for the compression gun is far too much outlay for a DIYer. I think if I am going to do any pipe work myself, I’ll be soldering. Your videos are very informative, thanks.
Thanks for the video Mark. I’ve been using solder for 20 years and never used press. However I’m thinking whether or not to invest in a press machine and use press on a job we’re doing at the moment. We have 22 Combi boilers to fit in a block of flats, as replacements for HIU’s that are in atm. Job has already been priced in end feed but trying to weigh up whether or not the time saved would out-way the additional outlay. What do you reckon? Thanks
Knew you'd come round in the end 😉 main reason i prefer press and basically just dont solder anymore is mainly because of the flux 'smoke'. Did a full plant room a few years ago, 2 big oil boilers, 2 cylinders, accumulator etc, so there was pretty much a whole wall dedicated to copper pipe and fittings, spent the day in there soldering everything up, for about 3 weeks after i felt like crap and was coughing up blood so pete convinced me to try press and havent looked back 🤣 i know the time comparison on the 15 didnt seem like a lot but once you count up cleaning the pipe, fluxing the pipe and, dropping the flux brush onto the floor (always happens) etc its most likely double that 4 minutes. I know the fittings cost a lot more but id choose to lose a bit of money than breathing in flux smoke and burning your hand constantly 😂
There's also you can take solder apart, you can't take press apart, there's so many good and bad points for both. I like the idea of press but I'm in the similar mind set to you with it. (Although I don't have one, yet) Thanks for the video mark, great honest video
The only reason I’d use press fit is when it’s a bastard to get the water out but it’s way too expensive to have as a backup🤷♂️ solder still all the way for me💪💪 great vid again mate👌
Agree with you re. branded vs Chinese. Always used branded versions letting the customer know. Still prefer the solder system. Press fit are good but very difficult in tight space. Really good video
I won't chuck my blowtorch just yet. Great Video Tiff 👌. Soldering is a skill and end result done well looks professional and will last forever. Press can be done by anyone and is probably a better alternative than plastic for looks and price is about the same as plastic.
Thanks for the video i use press fit on all my installs now yes its more expensive but the cost is pushed onto the customer isent it in the price when you price the job
I love Compression with just a spanner, I can solder Yorkshire fittings no problem just make sure the preparations are very clean, I'm only a plumber when I get a new house, so yes I'm a DIY consumer, I've never had any leaking because I do it in my own time without a stopwatch, plus if you don't want to create heat then I see compression is far better say in a flour mill as its potentially explosive atmosphere where a flame could be very dangerous, Obviously some areas a huge crimping tool cannot get to say behind pipes or a big tank, Big question how many years do the actual seals last on a crimp ? 25 years ? I will say my gut feeling original compression fittings for me 👍 Tooling up for crimp must be very expensive compared to solder paste blowtorch gas which is cheap.
I think your right when you say there’s a place for both systems. I can’t seem to find anything anywhere about how secure press fit fittings are. After pressing, how does it remain secure to the pipe and not slip off? Have you done anything online to investigate this… tried to pull one apart or get a x- section of the piece?
Use both, solder fittings are also less bulky in appearance but press fittings better if you cant control the flame in a potentially flammable situation
8:14 just talk amongst yourselves 😂😂😂 I personally won’t go into press fit, I’m predominantly a jobbing plumber and I don’t really do installations. For me pressfit isn’t worth it, for an installer I can see the attraction. Good video mark 👍 really interesting to see the differences 👍
Look how nice , shiny and bright the pressfit looks . Saves money on flux , solder and cleaning up after soldering. One month into pressfit and it’s a winner for me. Wolsely are also stocking their own brand press fit now too . The fumes and flux have always been something that’s concerned me over the years.
Thanks for the videos, looking into getting a press fit tool, even though I dont do so much pipework now, yes the cost is obviously there, but imagine lying in some hot cramped loft, mid summer and soldering heating runs etc... yes please let me carry a press tool instead of a fire extinguisher. Imagine being able to hold pipes in place with your bare hands while making the joint, going home without all that flux scum in your clothes... not having to wait around for pipes to cool, jointing wet pipes must be luxury compared to whacking a hoover on a joint where the water isnt quite drained or a faulty stop tap and hoping you can solder it before the water creeps back.... expensive? Yeah but any tool may be worth the price if it makes life easier - but ultimately you have to pass these costs on to the customer for a probably quicker job but such is life. Thannks again for the videos.
Great video Tiff. As some others have said, I would have the flux time in the comparison for the solder joints. The time saved, even with fluxing up added on, doesn't justify the cost of pressfit in my opinion, especially on domestic plumbing. If you have the rigs, be interested to see if they're water tight even when you were multitasking!
I swear half of these comments haven't watched the video. Anyways I think personally soldering is still better but who am I to say I have never tried it and at times I wish I had it (mainly when there is water in the pipes etc) but I think the cost is a lot for what it is. I don't think the time it saves would add up enough. Plus I'm not so keen on the look of the fittings seem a bit bulky. I think it has its place like soldering and push fit, also do you need to clean the pipe for press fit or is that only if your connecting onto pre existing pipe work not new pipe , great video.
In renovation for me the biggest advantage is that with water dripping out of a pipe you can make connections as for soldering that is impossible to do.
End feed will always be cheaper. I’m waiting to see if insurance companies catch up and start offering decent discounts for those that press. That would be an interesting situation.
Hi Mark, I havnt watched your vid yet but I won't be swayed anyway! Im still working in houses that I did the plumbing in from 1973 . The plumbing pipework is still generally in good nick considering it's 50 years old. Mainly Yorkshire soldered and Prestex compression. Will the o rings in Press fit last that long?I'm not a stick in the mud by anymeans . In case any one comment on who's bothered what happens in 20 /30 years time believe me it creeps up fast and you do remember doing these jobs and so do your customers!😂
I know a couple large companies that have swapped to press for all their guys and it's wiped thousands off their insurance as a company. You're talking 50+ fitters though so the time saving, which prep time is a huge part is massive. They both have their place but the payback is much bigger the more press you do.
Great video. Some think else worth saying is can be held in place by hand plus don’t have to worry about water in pipe too. Only thing was wondering do you not have to deburr copper on press fit. But great time spent for us all 👍👍
Yes you need to debur and mark penetration depth on the pipe. If you don’t you could damage the rubber o ring on pipe insertion. And as you press fit the pipe tends to move on in various directions depending on your tool orientation. It’s a little tricky at times to keep it straight. Marking the penetration depth on the copper pipe insures you have a proper crimp depth.
To make the press fit make the same anount of money you would have to cost (not be making) £600/hr. However noted: 1. no pipe and fitting cleaning with either, or deburr. For press fit assume little pipe clean required? 2. Soldering flux flushing time after soldering not included. 3. Cost to your health of flux/solder fumes not considered. Could perhaps damage a finger etc on the crimp one day. 4. Could you use MAPP on the 22 to shorten the time? Many thanks, really interesting video. P.S. really liked your fluxing technique (Some others only brush the pipe, but I reckon you are faster).
Hi Mark, I appreciate the time, effort and cost associated with making this weeks film, I found the film excellent and thank you for making it. I can appreciate its hard to achieve a completely accurate comparison because of so many variables, but you did a fantastic job on this. You know I love copper and solder, but if you have the press kit it certainly has its place in the arsenal, for wet joints press is excellent. Ideally if I was a younger man and did the volume of work, I would have solder and press on the van, both great in the correct situation. Each plumber will make their own decision depending on their situation, now we know press is expensive as I thought. A fantastic film and thank you for your time and effort making it, as always have a great week and take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
A good video. I do think that you should have included the fluxing up and cleaning them with steel wool as I feel that is all part of the job running pipework. I press and solder. Generally I find that I press to avoid drinking down systems fully. I also tend to press more in airing cupboards with unvented. Regarding the prices I do think that you can get better terms at Wolseley for a Geberit 15mm elbow. Having said that, I have replumbed a whole house with end feed and it was a big ass house too, so who am I to comment? Haha Keep up with the good videos.
It comes to what you're charging the customer and are 2 or 3 mins of your time worth and extra £20 or £30. Tbh if im having a good month, I'd use just press on most jobs and just charge a little more just for easier life. Thanks for all the work you put in as a comparison it helped me.
If your not paying for the fittings press fit is the bomb If your paying the bill from the plumbers merchant press fit has its place IE working under the sink where leaving burn marks can course a problem or in the roof space where there is a cance of fire So using a comanation of both systems is the best
I imagine you can press fit in the rain or snow the prep time counts for soldering because in a real life work scenario that time is valuable skipping that entirely is awesome not burning down a house is awesome too 😂the fact that you can transition from copper to pex or whatever pretty easily with the same tool is awesome as well the time it took me to write this you could of already rebuilt the main water supply in front of your house and have had the water on for a few minutes with the pro press not to mention ran a gas line to your new cooker in the back yard with the same tool
I think you need to add pipe prep into the equation, clean and flux. I like both and both have pluses and minuses. Soldered with flux in the pipe and flushing it out also the fire risk. Press with the cost and the bulk of the fittings in tight areas. I am starting to use press more especially in cylinder and boiler installations. Maybe I'm getting older and more lazy 😂
I only do domestic plumbing and can see press being a brilliant option when the pipes are wet, but the cost is prohibitive. Not just the fittings, but the kit. It would be super useful to have, but not convinced it would change my life, for such a huge outlay.
I’m just a DIYer who hasn’t done any more than replace a toilet siphon and replaced a bit of compression fit pipe under my sink, so please excuse my ignorance. What was that machine you were using to compress the press fit fittings in your video when you were comparing to soldering fittings and how much does it cost ?
Hi Mark, a good comparison for time vs cost. Could you do another by drilling a screw through that elbow in the middle (mimicking screw through pipe) and see which is easier to repair? Keep up the good work.
I do mainly small jobs. I've managed to get a decent amount of stuff into my soldering box. When I do have problems with water I'll just go with compression or plastic. We all want to go pressfit whether we admit it or not but the initial cost isn't for everyone and the customer is always price conscious.
The big test/comparison that everyone wants to see…
I test how quick pressfit it compared to soldering and also the cost…..
@@romanopolanskialso you can’t solder when there is water in a pipe… you can just press
Also press has been being used for 20years….. I think the prongs are pretty good by now
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Intresting it seems o ring isn’t actually required more a back up
I'd be interested in seeing a full cost comparison assuming for arguments sake all your gear was stolen and you decided to choose one or the other as the replacement option how many tins of gas likely to be used in a year in addition to solder and paste versus possibly buying another press fit tool becase the motors knackered lots of good points about fluxing and cleanup but I'd also wonder how it might stand up to water hammer at various pressures and if it could be used on gas. I'm not gas safe so won't know but I'd assume soldering might win out on that one?
@@romanopolanskiyou even don't need o ring with viega propress. If pipe is new and fitting will hold pressure without o ring. Tested. 😁
What are the best quality pressfit fittings you can get. What shall I look for
Feel like everyone’s missed the best thing about press. You’re not breathing in all those flux fumes, or getting any flux all over your hands and getting into your bloodstream like that. It’s a harsh chemical at the end of the day and reducing or removing that from your day is a massive Benefit
Very good point that 👏🏼👏🏼
Very good point
Good point. Any information on how bad it is, its often something overlooked the chemicals we handle.
Good point, but even going out breathing fresh air if living in the city you will have pollution, brakedust or chemicals are bad where do we stop, health safety gone mad.
@dmheatingplumbing9805 its quite bad, the bloke i done my apprenticeship with has copd from it
Good insight mark
I personally think to test properly the time for soldering should include flux time, neater soldering of joints that you would be proud to hand over (not rushed for a time test) plus clean up of fittings to have an equal finish to the press look. Agree with the price difference issue but the time saved in my opinion would be much greater.
Great vid
Thanks mate
100%!!!!! cleaning the fittings, fluxing the pipe, cleaning the pipe afterwards also Water in the pipe would cost you loads more time.
Me too
Agree. + the time it takes to replace the melted plastic fittings (or use a heat mat). Also, each to their own but I am a bit more careful with my flux application than you are.
Sorting out the fire alarms...
If you take all that into consideration it must be way over 50% faster.
It's just the price of a top quality press machine that is putting me off. Not the price of the fittings.
Here's my view for what its worth , been using press fit on and off for 20 years , Its great for plant rooms , pipe racks in ceiling voids , down corridors etc but for domestic under floor boards , under boilers etc not worth the outlay. Stick to soldering. I would never ever risk my reputation on using those cheaper fittings. I personally dont get all this shining up fittings , what's the point ? Been soldering fittings for 40 odd years and this has only come about in the past few years. You would have been laughed at back in the day for doing that. Its not "real world plumbing".
I’m with you on that comment…. I completely agree buddy
@@romanopolanskiyeah you’re right there. Here in Aus we don’t solder, it’s braze or press. I almost exclusively press fit these days due to the permits required for hot works. I think the bigger you go the time saving is exponential but so is the increase in cost of fittings
Hi mark. Thank you taking the time in doing the comparison. I’ve been sitting on the fence about jumping over to press, and until price of fittings come down I will continue to sit on the fence and carry on soldering.
Glad it was helpful buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
I do mainly press fit now. And the cost of fittings is passed to the customer. I have noticed a big diffrence in speed in regards to press to solder... the prep work with solder need to be included in the speed as its part of the process..
I understand they both have there place in the right circumstances..
Interesting video though.. hope the angry man (in your shorts) is happy now lol
Thanks buddy…. I agree about the prep time
That was the most informative video I've watched in a long time.
Just shows how times have changed and the industry.after 42 years in the industry, I've seen the implementation of pipe slices, plastic push fit, even fittings to go onto lead pipe work,where as we would lead wipe joints.. and now press fit, yes there's a lot of people that are saying the costs are higher,but as press fit becomes more widely used,so the costs of the fittings and equipment will start coming down.
Its pluses are you can press onto pipes with a bit of water inside, chances of leaking fittings is minimal, and on a large heating system that's a time saver. Also if you are using press fit 90 % of the time less costs on solder .flux .gas , blow torch equipment.
Its not going to cause a revolution, but it has it's advantages in larger domestic and commercial projects.
As said before, this video is a comprehensive insight into press fit verses soldered fittings, from a person who is in the industry.
Fantastic video.thank you.
Thankyou buddy….. kind words🙏🏼🙏🏼👍🏼
Hi brilliant video, I’m starting out on my plumbing adventure after been in the military for 22 years, all the information and videos you do are really appreciated. Keep it up mate 👍
Thanks buddy
This is the video I have been waiting for for a long time
I have always said I am willing to move over to press but only when the cost of the fittings come down, the first recognised manufacturer that brings prices to a reasonable cost compared to what even a SR fitting costs they will start to make more people think
I’m so glad you have done a unbiased video on this subject as if you speak to a ‘press’ plumber they can’t see anything wrong and always gloss over the cost part, I always assume they are not self employed and don’t pay the bills!
Thanks mate…. Appreciate the comment. I’ve wanted to do this for so long👍🏼
This is brilliant, it’s proper opened my eyes up. I’ve been using press fits for the last couple of years and I find it better as I’m asthmatic but I think it’s solely down to each persons preference. Another great video thanks again 🪠
Thanks mate, glad you liked it
Hi Marky , Another cracking video. I still solder all pipe work on domestic installs. But, I follow the 1 hour, rule. After I complete a days install. To ensure now hot spots. But on commercial installs they demand no sparks. Even on rip out, recip,saws only. Ready to start a heating upgrade on a School on the 24th and had to upgrade my liability insurance to 5 million. Take care my friend. (Paul .Paramount plumbing )
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Nice video. I did use press only for few years, still use it on some jobs but mainly soldering now. I have noticed I’m spending more time on the jobs but saving on materials.
I’m guessing a lot of it comes down to clients we have and budgets we’re working with. Being on set price or quoting for a job which could sometimes be a deal breaker between the two.
Worst part of press for me is being clumsy and not charging batteries, takes a lot longer then. 😊
Yep pros and cons with both
Cracking video great bit of kit but have to use it for the right job but always handy to have if your on a tight time scale or emergency call out but so good to see the pricing and even putting plastic down too
Yep I agree👍🏼👍🏼
Fair play to you for taking the time out to compare these 👍
Thanks mate👍🏼👍🏼
As a DIYer I love soldering fittings as it’s so accessible because of the low cost of tools and parts, although I’ll admit I’d have loved to have borrowed a press fit tool when moving some radiator tails because I was having trouble completing draining down the system. Ended up wet vacuuming the pipe work for 40 minutes before the dribble was slow enough to get a good joint.
Yep pros and cons of each and that’s a great example
Great video, I would personally include flux time, that’s all part of the soldering process so would make a better comparison. All prep should be included for both, deburring, cleaning etc if your process for each type differs. 👍
Just finished watching the full video, thanks for putting it out there for us all 👍👍
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
Great video comparison thank you for the information. I think if you include flux time you should also include the time it takes to mark the depth of the pipe for press fitting as well as the more intensive deburring process required for press fittings so that O-rings are not damaged. Once you do this I think it’s a wash and could be omitted as you did in your video. Thanks again.
Good video and it will be good for day to day plumbers 👏great job and thanks for taken the time 👍👍👍👍👍🛠
Thanks buddy👍🏼👍🏼
Hi Mark just watched this video, I’m not a plumber but after seeing this I certainly would choose soldering I believe it’s more solid so if and when I have any plumbing work I would ask them to do soldering, thanks for your hard work you show us the ins and outs of plumbing.
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Just used a friend of mines this week. Quite impressed. Yeah they're expensive but accounting for time prepping, price of solder, flux, wire wool, gas, heat mats, brushs, it does close the price gap. A lot cleaner and no water in pipe issues. I'm trying to convince myself but not there yet😂 Loving the channel by the way. Shows the good, bad and the ugly side of the job👍
Thanks for the kind words mate 🙌🏼🙌🏼👍🏼
Thank you Marc! An interesting comparison which I'm sure will rumble on for awhile. Given the domestic work I do it's not for me although there have been situations where it would've been handy. But there's other fittings and good old compression when yiu can't get water out of a pipe to solder. And there's always the piece of bread technique 😅. Thanks for taking the time and effort to pull this together. You're a 🌟. All the best matey.
Oh, and enjoy your holiday! ☀ 🏖 👍
Thanks buddy
Another great video mate. I use Giberit press for everything now after meeting with the Giberit rep and adjusting the terms on fittings.
Seeing a few comments here that pipe and fitting prep should have been included with soldering, but let’s not forget you have to prep the pipe and fitting for press as well.
Thanks buddy
Most informative video re press fit. The time saving is so small it equates to a cup of tea costing about £30!! I think end feed looks neater so a good comparison would be push fit v press fit. My biggest reason I'm sticking with 'old school' is the cost of the press fit machine for a one man plumber like you (and me!) .I'd rather buy a new van!!
Thankyou buddy 👍🏼👍🏼…. Appreciate the comment
hi mark been watching the content you have been putting out really enjoyed the press fit video as i have been looking into it the pro's and conns really found it usefull keep up the good work was a good over view
Hey Derek….. thanks mate, Appriciate the comment
Great comparison Tiff, There’s always going to be a place for different plumbing fittings weather it’s soldering, press fit or even plastic and is down to personal preference. I know price differences between the fittings is an eye opener but plastic fittings are just as expensive. End of the day the technology is here in the plumbing industry and for the future and maybe soldering will be a thing of the past, who knows. Also I think the technology is there to make plumbing faster, cleaner and a lot easier especially when you get older. But again every fitting has it’s use. Great video 👍
Thanks mate….. really Appreciate the comment on the video…. 👍🏼👍🏼
Good video Mark. Hope you are having an amazing holiday.
Thanks Allen….. yep chilling out on the beach🍻
Very nice. I like pressfit because there are less steps and less prep shielding flammable surfaces including wires. I've been soldering and silver brazing for over fifty years now and I have not had a serious fire but I have scorched a few things. You will never burn a house down with pressfit. Thanks for the video.
Glad you liked the content Mike….
Yep a lot of people are getting away from naked flames these days
Great video comparison, thanks for doing it Mark
No problem 👍
Brilliant video as always, my view..... Great for large companies/plant rooms etc, but not for us small soletrader doing bathrooms etc.
Thanks buddy….👍🏼👍🏼🙏🏼
Nice video pal! Good to see a few different aspects to consider!
Thanks David James White….👍🏼
@@MJTiffPlumbing welcome Mark Joanne Tiff
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Great video tiff, from someone who use both the only advantage is when you want to keep a clean system, have dripping water or as you say hot works.
Thanks mate glad you enjoyed it👍🏼👍🏼
I use a mix of solder / endfeed and press fit. In short I use press on new builds (Mlcp and copper) it’s clean no flux no mess to flush out of the pipework so a big time saver.
I use soldered fittings on smaller jobs boiler swaps / bathrooms etc.
Worth noting aswell that your warranty of your press fittings only stands if you deburr your pipes and mark off the fitting to make sure it’s fully inserted.
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Great video, very interesting.
Mamy thanks for taking the time (and cost) to do it.
Talk amongst yourselves 😂😂 love it.
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Great video mate nice to see the difference
Glad you enjoyed👍🏼👍🏼
I do a lot of council work.. some places you just want out asap..press has been a godsend.
You know the type , wipe your feet on the way out, Cos you've stuck to the carpets. In an empty refurb I tend to use solder
One thing i have noticed though is guys that pooh pooh solder ring fittings are quite happy to use press fittings that ....well look like solder ring...
Is it a snobby thing ?..
Very good comparison I thought, saw exactly where you were coming from with getting over the counter stock
Cheers for going to the trouble of making this..
Thanks mate…. Glad you enjoyed the comparison… it wasn’t too scientific but more to the point👍🏼
Apologies, I'm not a plumber, but wow, what a massive price comparison with soldering joints and press fit one's it is one to keep an eye out as they vary alot really. And if it was me I'd still have both kits available as you've mentioned there are sites which doesn't allow you to work with flammable works so that's when the other tool comes in handy. But the only bug barrier is carrying both in the vans amongst other thing's and being in the current climate. Those equipment are like gold for the opportunistic lol. Thanks for the training video, haven't you thought of taking up a teaching career as you are a natural at it. 👌😊👌
Thankyou mate, very kind words…… glad you liked the video
Hi mark, good video, I have embraced press and love it, time is only a small part, it’s ease, less harmful, no fire risk, a cleaner end product, and as good at soldering we can be there is also the leak element with soldering, also solder wire costs £20 a roll plus the cost of flux.
I use MLCP with press and copper press mix this saves me a fortune in time.
👍🏼👍🏼…. Yer I know exactly the points you are making and your right
hi mark its all about the press for me its cleaner on your hands as well as your lungs, your not setting off smoke alarms and you can press with water in the pipe which is a big bonus, what about the solder price as well as flux, thanks for the video it just confirmed what I knew, press is dearer but better for the environment and for me
regards John
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Firstly been waiting for you to do this as I am too thinking about press fit. Like you been in trade years and trying to keep up with times. I really appreciate the time & expense you took to do this. Think you answered alot of questions. One I would say benefit is you can do it wet with water in pipe (on a Friday night dying to get to pub) almost like a snatch it live! 😂 thanks again keep up good work. 👍
Yep…. Water in the pipe press is the winner for press👌🏼
Hi Mark I have been watching your channel another great video. I work in France where they use pipes from 8 mm up to I think about 40 mm and are most of the time Brazed going up in 2 mm stages normally using 12 mm 14 mm 16 mm 18 mm and 22 mm today 90% of the plumbers use plastic (they use PER like USA) a great system and very quick I am looking at getting a hand operated press which cost about 150€ here and does all the normal sizes, a bit slower but will not use that many times on a job. I then can get a stock of bends, straights, and "T" this will allow me to do all the bits where you can't get all the water out or make a connect to plastic without having to use the heat, if you are only using one or two fittings a job price is not a big problem, copper is very expensive here because it has a thicker wall thickness so could not see me doing complete jobs with them. keep up the good work
Thanks for that buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
Great video mark 💪🏻 good insight of the both, sticking to solder 👍🏻
Glad you enjoyed it👍🏼👍🏼
Good video mate.
Press vs solder is the same as copper vs plastic debate. Plastic is cheaper and quicker but you use it underfloors or where it can’t be seen and stab out in copper or run copper up to boiler and it can become a showpiece in the customers home.
Press fit has its place in bigger pipework in commercial plant rooms. My issue with press fit is that’s it’s ideal for 6 month gas ticket crew who don’t have the skill set of the trade. Maybe I’m just old school who would had the shit kicked out me if i had mentioned press fit to my tradesman but I struggle to see the value in it
I know exactly what your saying 😉👍🏼
Hi mark. Very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to show us. I am not plumber but it seems that press fit is expensive and quicker. Price could mean you don’t get the job. Thanks Mark have a good week 👍
Thanks mate, glad you liked it
thanks for the Video. Effort to make the video is much appreciated
Thankyou buddy…. Kind words
The important thing to realise is that with press theres nothing to add. Once your on it that it. With solder youve got flux, wire and gas to buy and the torch needs serviced as well just like any gas equipment. The other big plus for press is that if you follow the instructions your guaranteed a perfect joint every time. With solder you can't be sure its gone everywhere properly every time, no matter how good you think you are.
I have replaced failed press fittings… so they are not 💯 guaranteed
Absolutely fabulous video. Your experiment was perfect and your choice of fittings over the counter was the best comparison possible.
Not to often that soldered fittings need to be that polished you can see your face 😂
Soldering for me
Only time for press fit would be Commercial or Hot works permit needed.
Hope you break even on costs
Thanks buddy
Ive got a Rems with the angle jaws and use conex fittings, the set up cost near on 2k.
Now....i dont think its worth its cost to use on a daily basis in domestic applications as the cost increase to the customer is substantial, so for daily bathroom ,and radiator fitting plus reactive works i still use solder.
But i do highly recommended press for when working in loft spaces for the quickness and the peace of mind of no hot work in the roof space.( makes me sleep better at night)..
Once again a great video mark,keep up the great work and vids mate.
I agree with all those points Gary 👍🏼👍🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Thanks pal
Great video, but as others have said, you need to include the fluxing time, and the clean up after for the soldered ones. I use solder and pressfit because they both have their place. Press is great where you cant get the water off completely and it is running nust enough that you can't solder, but the fittings just arent as neat as an end feed. There are always going to be places you cant get your press gun, and places you dont want to risk having your blowtorch anywhere near. At fhe end of the day ot is great to have the option of both systems on the van. So now i have end feed, pressfit, compression and a few Hep fittings there js barely any room for anything else in there 😂
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I agree about including flux time, it’s part of the task. As a maintenance guy, I would only be doing small repairs, cutting out leaks etc, so the huge bonus for me is being able to get the joint done whilst there is water either standing in the pipe, or passing from a valve, that’s the main problem facing me on repairs. For me though, as a preference I’d use neither. I like to use Tectite copper pushfit fittings, no flux or solder, no press time, just deburr and push together.
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Interesting Mark you have been busy with your rigs and calculations but i will stick to soldering also think the pressfit gun is very expensive need a lot of work to get your money back
Completely agree buddy
I’ve just found the answer to my question about that machine you were using in your comparison Vidio for press fit v soldering.
I got the answer by watching the end of your video. I should have watched it to the end before asking my question.
£1,400- £1,500 for the compression gun is far too much outlay for a DIYer. I think if I am going to do any pipe work myself, I’ll be soldering.
Your videos are very informative, thanks.
Thanks mate…. Yep it’s far from a diy tool imho👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks for the video Mark. I’ve been using solder for 20 years and never used press. However I’m thinking whether or not to invest in a press machine and use press on a job we’re doing at the moment. We have 22 Combi boilers to fit in a block of flats, as replacements for HIU’s that are in atm. Job has already been priced in end feed but trying to weigh up whether or not the time saved would out-way the additional outlay. What do you reckon? Thanks
Would deffo save you time imho
Great video, makes me think twice before making the jump to press
Thanks mate….. treat yourself, you know you will
@@MJTiffPlumbing new van then press gun this year all been well
Knew you'd come round in the end 😉 main reason i prefer press and basically just dont solder anymore is mainly because of the flux 'smoke'. Did a full plant room a few years ago, 2 big oil boilers, 2 cylinders, accumulator etc, so there was pretty much a whole wall dedicated to copper pipe and fittings, spent the day in there soldering everything up, for about 3 weeks after i felt like crap and was coughing up blood so pete convinced me to try press and havent looked back 🤣 i know the time comparison on the 15 didnt seem like a lot but once you count up cleaning the pipe, fluxing the pipe and, dropping the flux brush onto the floor (always happens) etc its most likely double that 4 minutes. I know the fittings cost a lot more but id choose to lose a bit of money than breathing in flux smoke and burning your hand constantly 😂
Thanks buddy…. I’m still a little on the fence but getting there
There's also you can take solder apart, you can't take press apart, there's so many good and bad points for both. I like the idea of press but I'm in the similar mind set to you with it. (Although I don't have one, yet)
Thanks for the video mark, great honest video
Thanks buddy
You can cut the progress off.
compression is best.. can remove them
@@nicotoscani1707 but they can become loose over time, definitely not the best type of fitting
@@killerbean9911 why do they become loose?
The only reason I’d use press fit is when it’s a bastard to get the water out but it’s way too expensive to have as a backup🤷♂️ solder still all the way for me💪💪 great vid again mate👌
Thanks mate…..
Yeah it's way too expensive to have it on the van for occasional use . Plus if it gets stolen it's a lot to lose .
Agree with you re. branded vs Chinese. Always used branded versions letting the customer know. Still prefer the solder system. Press fit are good but very difficult in tight space. Really good video
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
I won't chuck my blowtorch just yet. Great Video Tiff 👌. Soldering is a skill and end result done well looks professional and will last forever. Press can be done by anyone and is probably a better alternative than plastic for looks and price is about the same as plastic.
Thanks mate
Great video mate
Thanks 👍
Thanks for the video i use press fit on all my installs now yes its more expensive but the cost is pushed onto the customer isent it in the price when you price the job
Thanks mate…. Indeed it is, however I do know people who give 2 quotes for soldering and for pressfit as it can be thousands different in the pricing
How do press fit fittings dismantle once pressed? With solder I can sweat off a fitting and replace with tee etc.
They don’t…. As they are pressed together….. one of the cons of using them….
Great video! This debate will keep on going....but great comparison 👍
For ever and a day
Great vid don’t fancy cheap online fittings very well explained.👍👍👍😎😎😎
Thanks Richard 👍🏼👍🏼
I love Compression with just a spanner, I can solder Yorkshire fittings no problem just make sure the preparations are very clean, I'm only a plumber when I get a new house, so yes I'm a DIY consumer, I've never had any leaking because I do it in my own time without a stopwatch, plus if you don't want to create heat then I see compression is far better say in a flour mill as its potentially explosive atmosphere where a flame could be very dangerous, Obviously some areas a huge crimping tool cannot get to say behind pipes or a big tank,
Big question how many years do the actual seals last on a crimp ? 25 years ?
I will say my gut feeling original compression fittings for me 👍
Tooling up for crimp must be very expensive compared to solder paste blowtorch gas which is cheap.
Brilliant video
Thanks buddy
I think your right when you say there’s a place for both systems. I can’t seem to find anything anywhere about how secure press fit fittings are. After pressing, how does it remain secure to the pipe and not slip off? Have you done anything online to investigate this… tried to pull one apart or get a x- section of the piece?
Use both, solder fittings are also less bulky in appearance but press fittings better if you cant control the flame in a potentially flammable situation
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And when wet
8:14 just talk amongst yourselves 😂😂😂 I personally won’t go into press fit, I’m predominantly a jobbing plumber and I don’t really do installations. For me pressfit isn’t worth it, for an installer I can see the attraction. Good video mark 👍 really interesting to see the differences 👍
Thanks buddy 👍🏼👍🏼
Look how nice , shiny and bright the pressfit looks . Saves money on flux , solder and cleaning up after soldering. One month into pressfit and it’s a winner for me. Wolsely are also stocking their own brand press fit now too . The fumes and flux have always been something that’s concerned me over the years.
Yep you soon get into the pressfit side of thongs
Injoyed that video mate big difference in price tho i say soldering all the way
Thanks buddy
I use map gas which is a lot quicker to heat up I will still be using end feed Mark 👍
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Thank you Kevin I agree
Thanks for the videos, looking into getting a press fit tool, even though I dont do so much pipework now, yes the cost is obviously there, but imagine lying in some hot cramped loft, mid summer and soldering heating runs etc... yes please let me carry a press tool instead of a fire extinguisher.
Imagine being able to hold pipes in place with your bare hands while making the joint, going home without all that flux scum in your clothes... not having to wait around for pipes to cool, jointing wet pipes must be luxury compared to whacking a hoover on a joint where the water isnt quite drained or a faulty stop tap and hoping you can solder it before the water creeps back.... expensive? Yeah but any tool may be worth the price if it makes life easier - but ultimately you have to pass these costs on to the customer for a probably quicker job but such is life. Thannks again for the videos.
Watch out for something coming VERY soon to help with that very issue
Marks next sponsor Geberit
Mapress 😂
🤣🤣🤣……. That would be lovely
Great video Tiff. As some others have said, I would have the flux time in the comparison for the solder joints. The time saved, even with fluxing up added on, doesn't justify the cost of pressfit in my opinion, especially on domestic plumbing. If you have the rigs, be interested to see if they're water tight even when you were multitasking!
Thanks mate👍🏼👍🏼
Great video
Did you fast forward through it 🤣🤣
I swear half of these comments haven't watched the video. Anyways I think personally soldering is still better but who am I to say I have never tried it and at times I wish I had it (mainly when there is water in the pipes etc) but I think the cost is a lot for what it is. I don't think the time it saves would add up enough. Plus I'm not so keen on the look of the fittings seem a bit bulky. I think it has its place like soldering and push fit, also do you need to clean the pipe for press fit or is that only if your connecting onto pre existing pipe work not new pipe , great video.
Completely agree mate….. so many people saying “what about the prep time”….. I’m saying “You haven’t watched the video then have you”….
In renovation for me the biggest advantage is that with water dripping out of a pipe you can make connections as for soldering that is impossible to do.
Yep one of pressfits advantages
End feed will always be cheaper. I’m waiting to see if insurance companies catch up and start offering decent discounts for those that press. That would be an interesting situation.
Yep as said end feed is cheaper for the fitting
Good video thanks. What do you think about push fit?
Pushfit has its place and I’ve used it plenty on jobs
Excellent coontent!
Thanks buddy
Cannot help but think your Scottish with that way of putting it 🤣
Hi Mark, I havnt watched your vid yet but I won't be swayed anyway!
Im still working in houses that I did the plumbing in from 1973 . The plumbing pipework is still generally in good nick considering it's 50 years old.
Mainly Yorkshire soldered and Prestex compression. Will the o rings in Press fit last that long?I'm not a stick in the mud by anymeans . In case any one comment on who's bothered what happens in 20 /30 years time believe me it creeps up fast and you do remember doing these jobs and so do your customers!😂
Thanks buddy…. We all do what we are happy with 👍🏼👍🏼
I know a couple large companies that have swapped to press for all their guys and it's wiped thousands off their insurance as a company. You're talking 50+ fitters though so the time saving, which prep time is a huge part is massive. They both have their place but the payback is much bigger the more press you do.
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Great video. Some think else worth saying is can be held in place by hand plus don’t have to worry about water in pipe too. Only thing was wondering do you not have to deburr copper on press fit. But great time spent for us all 👍👍
Yes mate, however most cutters now debur the external
Yes you need to debur and mark penetration depth on the pipe. If you don’t you could damage the rubber o ring on pipe insertion. And as you press fit the pipe tends to move on in various directions depending on your tool orientation. It’s a little tricky at times to keep it straight. Marking the penetration depth on the copper pipe insures you have a proper crimp depth.
To make the press fit make the same anount of money you would have to cost (not be making) £600/hr. However noted:
1. no pipe and fitting cleaning with either, or deburr. For press fit assume little pipe clean required?
2. Soldering flux flushing time after soldering not included.
3. Cost to your health of flux/solder fumes not considered. Could perhaps damage a finger etc on the crimp one day.
4. Could you use MAPP on the 22 to shorten the time?
Many thanks, really interesting video. P.S. really liked your fluxing technique (Some others only brush the pipe, but I reckon you are faster).
Thanks buddy 🙏🏼🙏🏼👍🏼
Hi Mark, I appreciate the time, effort and cost associated with making this weeks film, I found the film excellent and thank you for making it.
I can appreciate its hard to achieve a completely accurate comparison because of so many variables, but you did a fantastic job on this.
You know I love copper and solder, but if you have the press kit it certainly has its place in the arsenal, for wet joints press is excellent.
Ideally if I was a younger man and did the volume of work, I would have solder and press on the van, both great in the correct situation.
Each plumber will make their own decision depending on their situation, now we know press is expensive as I thought.
A fantastic film and thank you for your time and effort making it, as always have a great week and take care, regards, Chris. 👍👍👍
Thanks Chris…. Yep there is a time and place for both uses👍🏼👍🏼
A good video.
I do think that you should have included the fluxing up and cleaning them with steel wool as I feel that is all part of the job running pipework.
I press and solder.
Generally I find that I press to avoid drinking down systems fully. I also tend to press more in airing cupboards with unvented.
Regarding the prices I do think that you can get better terms at Wolseley for a Geberit 15mm elbow.
Having said that, I have replumbed a whole house with end feed and it was a big ass house too, so who am I to comment? Haha
Keep up with the good videos.
Glad you liked it buddy
Nice one mate
Thanks 👍
It comes to what you're charging the customer and are 2 or 3 mins of your time worth and extra £20 or £30. Tbh if im having a good month, I'd use just press on most jobs and just charge a little more just for easier life. Thanks for all the work you put in as a comparison it helped me.
Yep I near where your coming from👍🏼👍🏼
If your not paying for the fittings press fit is the bomb
If your paying the bill from the plumbers merchant press fit has its place IE working under the sink where leaving burn marks can course a problem or in the roof space where there is a cance of fire
So using a comanation of both systems is the best
Who gets free fittings….. that’s the dream
Love this 👏👏, i would be interested how many leaks you normally have per year on end feed
Glad you liked it mate…..
I imagine you can press fit in the rain or snow the prep time counts for soldering because in a real life work scenario that time is valuable skipping that entirely is awesome not burning down a house is awesome too 😂the fact that you can transition from copper to pex or whatever pretty easily with the same tool is awesome as well the time it took me to write this you could of already rebuilt the main water supply in front of your house and have had the water on for a few minutes with the pro press not to mention ran a gas line to your new cooker in the back yard with the same tool
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Scrub that comment, just heard the cost of the clamp..keep up the good work
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I think you need to add pipe prep into the equation, clean and flux. I like both and both have pluses and minuses. Soldered with flux in the pipe and flushing it out also the fire risk. Press with the cost and the bulk of the fittings in tight areas. I am starting to use press more especially in cylinder and boiler installations. Maybe I'm getting older and more lazy 😂
I did mention this within the video…. Ad 5 mins on for fluxing etc and 5 mins on for cleaning
I did see it mate at the end of the video , but I was already near the end of writing and couldn't be arsed to delete 😆. Good video as always 👍
Seems a lot of people are doing this 🤣
I only do domestic plumbing and can see press being a brilliant option when the pipes are wet, but the cost is prohibitive. Not just the fittings, but the kit. It would be super useful to have, but not convinced it would change my life, for such a huge outlay.
Yep it’s a large outlay to start with
You still need to properly debur the piping before placing the press fitting to avoid damaging the o-ring. That’s in the manufacturer’s directions
Manufactures of what???
Great video. The haters will hate the lovers will love. I use both 😂
Thanks Gary… and your so right 🤣🤣
I’m just a DIYer who hasn’t done any more than replace a toilet siphon and replaced a bit of compression fit pipe under my sink, so please excuse my ignorance.
What was that machine you were using to compress the press fit fittings in your video when you were comparing to soldering fittings and how much does it cost ?
Hi Mark, a good comparison for time vs cost. Could you do another by drilling a screw through that elbow in the middle (mimicking screw through pipe) and see which is easier to repair? Keep up the good work.
And fill the bottom with water that you can get out and see which is easier to repair…👍🏼
So many pros and cons of each
Do it yourself
I do mainly small jobs. I've managed to get a decent amount of stuff into my soldering box. When I do have problems with water I'll just go with compression or plastic.
We all want to go pressfit whether we admit it or not but the initial cost isn't for everyone and the customer is always price conscious.
Keep your eyes out for something that will make getting into press ALOT cheaper….. coming very soon
Interesting! 🔥
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Thanks for that mate I will stick to soldering but press is ok if the customer can afford it lol
Your welcome….