How Mark Driscoll forgave his critics and enemies
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- How Mark Driscoll forgave his critics and enemies
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That’s one heck of a powerful 10 minutes. Very challenging personally. Thanks brother.
Needed this. Thank you.
Thank you. ❤
Thank you so much for this sermon. God bless you and your whole team. The world needs Bible truth so bad. Keep it up, so many men can and will change!
Amen!!!oh glory to God!oh glory to Jesus!
Thank you 🙏
Amen! Amen!
Being a pastors kid is hard… (I am the product of one; two generations. My father and my grandfather.) BUT, my dad struggled quite a bit with depression and anxiety and being a bit “wimpy”… How I would’ve longed for a father like Pastor Mark!!! (Obviously, I’d have to talk to his sons. Lol 😆 kidding) I’m sure they’ve had their ups and downs, but I’m quite certain that they love and revere their father!
Pastor Mark is a special man! And I’m so thankful, even though we don’t know each other to have him in my life via technology!!!
Hopefully one day I will get to Arizona (I’m not too far; San Diego, CA) to visit his church! I’d just love the opportunity to shake his hand and tell him how much he’s touched my life! 🙌🏼😀💛
Looking for the video where there we see Mark's repentance for his own wrongs. Where can I find that? I've seen videos of him being the victim of the sins of others a few times but I'm curious about the one's where he's not the Joseph hero of the story.
Look in the mirror , that is the guy who needs to repent 4 being A a33 hole
Thank you! This is right where I am in my life and needed this message!! So appreciate you and your willingness to speak truth, even if it's unpopular!!! God bless you!!
Its not the truth that unpopular, its the harsh lack of love and humility that offends so many. The harsh disregarding of unbiblical comments, the tongue is a restless evil full of poison, thats a sad thing, that Im having to quote that here.
Where is it in scripture that God p0romises me a greater anointing if I forgive people? I just see Him commanding us to forgive others as He has forgiven us. Isn't that enough?
That was really good! I'm going to pray about it more because I have some things I need to let go
Wow. The deeper the forgiveness, the greater the anointing. I had to stop and sit with that a while.
As long as he is not using his own experiences as an example. He doesnt apologize to those he misleads, even when they confront the mistake with biblical proof. When your a pastor, you have a narrower path, not a wider one.
Pastor Driscoll, people who see and know the Holy Spirit know what's right and wrong. You impress me as a man searching for and delivering the truth. I'm glad you got through it. I've had the same issue as Joseph did, in my family. When someone means well and messes up and when someone intentionally tries to harm I can tell. You're still here praise God. If I see someone lodge criticism at you, I've got your back ( in a good way). I've been really blessed by your sermons and really your honesty. I am a very frank person. I often have to temper that by reframing what I'm about to say. But when it comes to the word of God, it HAS TO BE SAID. The truth has all but disappeared in kany churches. I appreciate your frankness and sticking to the truth. God expects us to go through these things. Be blessed. I wish I was near your church. I'm looking 😢😢.
Careful about giving this man praise, its a trap and a snare for his feet. He believes he praises The Lord better through old rock and roll, stuff like guns n roses/judas priest/metallica etc..because praise and worship music is BORING...
Mark certainly has a pile of muppets following him, ready to fight to the death and cover up his sins...
WE are supposed to correct each other, he likes to say instead of coming to him about anything, that pple just gossip about him. I tried to come to him about the music message, but i got nothing, then he comes out with these sermons about being this giant "forgiver", referring to himself like he is such a martyr for Christ, and a victim always. In this case, he is wrong. Who are we singing for anyway? Ourselves? Or Jesus? Maybe he ought to ask Jesus if He prefers judas priest, or praise music??? I dont think Jesus has alot of warm fuzzy feelings towards judas myself, and yes that is who this band is glorifying.
@@user-co2li1vd5d So speak the devil, Godly folks do not slanders others , plaster saint.
@@user-lk7zr5hm9y Learn about some bible doctrine and proper understanding of what slandering means. This guy is supposed to be a shepherd, he is misleading pple, and pple like you are eating it all up like its candies. He, if not already a false sheperd, is fast becoming one. I get pple like you telling me "we are only to judge the pple of the church" and then I get you saying "we are not to judge the pple of the church"...well, which is it?? Answer, you are both wrong. We are to admonish the godly and to warn the ungodly. Pretty basic.
Proverbs 27:6 "faithful are the wounds of a friend, but deceitful are the kisses of the enemy". I am being more of a friend to this man than you are, you are the deceitful kisses of the enemy. This man will NOT accept criticism, that also shows a lack of wisdom.
Now go and learn what this means.
If I remember correctly,
Joseph's older brothers planned to sell him into slavery, but Joseph was discovered by another group of people who pulled him out of the hole and took him prisoner and sold him into slavery.
The older brothers didn't actually follow through with their plan. They did, however, tell their father that Josph had been killed by a lion.
(I'm basing this off of my memory of readin this story from the Authorized King James version of the Bible.)
Trust that somehow God will use our enemies' evil for God's good?
What about us?
Why do we have to suffer at someone else's hands and evil purposes?
When is God going to do something good for our benefit to make up for the evil we have suffered?
I needed this this morning. Praise be to God! Thank you so much
It looks like Pastor Mark Driscoll is doing quite well.
He said he had been attacked, used, abused, and sinned against.
While those kinds of things are never fun it looks like they did not come anywhere near destroying him or his family.
There are people who suffer all those things and the damage is irrepairable.
Why is there no justice for those people?
Narcissism 101, be the victim in the scenario you created, and then look like the hero.
This is bad theology that leads to work based seeking of God's blessings. You forgive others for one of two reasons, either:
A.-) Christ died for them at the Cross to rescue them from the same destiny you were headed to if it weren't for Him.
B.-) They are going to go to Hell and suffer the wrath of God.
Check Voddie Baucham take on Joseph and forgiveness.
@@einarabelc5 no thanks Boddie is no different then Driscoll
Poor scott, still playing with your picker, Move on and grow up .
@@user-lk7zr5hm9y you sound a lot like Mark so his teachings “fruit” is evident.
Did he apologize to them as well?
DOUBT IT
@jameybobamey7343
that's not up to you what Mark does, stop being a bully you and the rest of your gang.
Thank You PMD i missed this one and i love your ministry and I love serving on it it has been the best season of my life
OH, HOW I NEEDED THIS ♥
We thank God for pastor Mark
He thanks God for himself as well
🙏🏼🙏🏼
Wow that was an eye opening teaching. So good.
How, exactly, do you bless someone if you forgive them?
There's no point in forgiving and blessing anyone who does not even acknowledge that they were the one who did the wrong thing.
Powerful...i hope my own family can, forgive their own family so they can harness their healing! 🥲😇
I have to learn to forgive my government for what they did and what they continue to do.
ok.
Bitterness or annointing, but not both.
ok.
Let's have the annointing.
To get the ball rolling in the right direction we're going to need some justice.
Our enemies who hurt us and wrong us need to get some kind of punishment and be made to lose more than they gained.
We need to have what is ours restored to us.
Let's get that done some we can move on to the forgiving and annointing.
How about that, God?
I don’t want to take anything from anyone. I am not interested in a crown. I just want to be left alone where I can work on my relationship with Jesus without interference.
I feel the same!
Sorry friend. If you are pursuing hard after Jesus, the Enemy will put “interference” in your life (usually in the form of people).
The Father also puts difficult people in your life! Not to interfere with your pursuit, but to refine you into the image of His Son.
I also felt this way for a long time. It only means that there is alot of healing you still need before your equipped to help others. But we cant live in a Jesus cocoon, He doesnt want that. Interferance is what tests us and makes us grow. You will find that when your full, you wont grow anymore because you now need to give out what you have received or nothing more can come in.
It's way more than a little weird that Joseph, a slave, would worry about sinning agains his master, his owner that he had no choice in the matter of having a master or not.
Why does God allow some little human beings to be between him and the people he wants worshiping him?
I love it when people try to create a formula of how the Holy Spirit is going to move.
Ya, he's a know-it-all, and all of his flying monkeys are fighting for him, theyre all wrong.
@@user-co2li1vd5d you sound like A demeon, only some thing evil would say that. Jesus rebuke it .
What about seeking the forgiveness of those you sinned against?
Be angry and sin not.
Okay. That's new. Didnt know that. I get away from a nest of vipers but i forgot to feed them. ...im gonna need a couple minutes to think about that.
If any man can answer this question for me, why did he say that most men would have slept with Potifer’s wife if she asked them to? Do you think that is true for most men of faith? He said that most men in the audience would have done that, which I don’t feel like is a right thing to say about other men of
God? Does that mean than most men are weak?
Most is 51%, it’s probably a fair statement.
@@KneeBenderservant I agree with the 51% statement of the general population. I would go as high as 80 or 90 percent of the general population, but I am not a man. But I think in a Christian group of men, I hope it wouldn’t be that high. “Most” to me in this context implies the large majority, not just a little over half. I just don’t think that’s a fair statement to make to men who are committing themselves to attending his sermons and to following God. I also don’t think that’s an empowering or affirming statement. Do you have any thoughts on that?
I really like Pastor Mark, so his comments here were disheartening and upsetting to me. I mean, correct me if I am wrong, but I think men are so much more than simply just people who blindly follow lust. I think many men are very sensitive and care about other things a lot. Maybe they are painted to be that way, but I don’t think that’s how a lot of them are inherently in their hearts. Maybe some just have low self-esteem or something.
Thank you!
I found that statement disturbing as well. Thank you for writing what you did.
@@virsapiensfortisest922 Thank you very much for validating how I felt! Maybe he didn’t mean to say it like that, but I thought it was an untrue and unempowering statement. I enjoy many of his sermons, but that statement really bothered me. Thanks again for writing! 🙏🙏
@@JesusSaves77799 You dont know till you are at that place , pray we are right with god and filled with his holy spirit.
Mark is supposed to be Joseph in the story, who overcame temptation, was falsely accused, was victimized, was finally anointed, abandoned and brought to power. Gets to sit in the 'Jesus seat at the right hand of God'. The brothers are supposed to be Mark's lapsed elders and all of the congregants who have grievances against Mark (Joseph). Then Joseph (Mark) forgives and blesses them. He was 'worshipped like a God' and God used their evil for His good. The fact that Mark (Joseph) so 'deeply forgave' is why he is so 'deeply anointed'. And all of this is projected onto the men in the room, they need to contend with their 'bitterness and unforgiveness'. Half of the story seems always to be missing, where Mark (not Joseph) contends with his own self in deeply hurting those who trusted and worked for him, those who have told him how they were spiritually abused by him and his pride. And seeking true forgiveness from each of those people. And having a humble, humble heart. And stopping the behavior and attitude that sowed destruction, even when others may have also been wrong at times. Mark thinks his work here is done, it's not done, and Mark is not Joseph, it's not about Mark, it's about others.
You’re doing a great job! Happy for your family.
So...
Joseph forgave his brothers and they did not have to ask for forgiveness.
Great!
This means God will forgive us even if we don't ask for forgiveness, right?
Why should we forgive without being asked if God isn't going to forgive without being asked?
Are we somehow greater than God if we can forgive without being asked?
What do you think, God?
Yes, Joseph had a lot to be bitter about.
Was he also disable?
Did he have any disability that would prevent him from actually being able to do things independently?
Most, if not all, of the disabled in Joseph's time were probably left to die and rarely made it into adulthood.
Why doesn't God have any disabled as great patriarchs in the Bible/
If God hates disabled then why does God curse some people with disability?
What kind of cruel God does something like that to people that have no choice in anything at all?
Interesting that Jesus often didn’t focus on somebody’s sin until He was dealing with the sin of hypocrisy like the Pharisees. (The woman at the well comes to mind) The point is that anyone who swings the word of truth around like a weapon may wanna take heed lest they fall from the pride found in hypocrisy and self righteousness. When we start to throw around phrases like “I would never” or “I would rather do this…because I’m not you”, you may wanna look at the log in your own eye and ignore the splinter in your brothers.
Yes, unfortunately this man has quite alot of pride, and absolutely cannot be told anything. This is a strong indication of a narcissist. I watched him alot earlier, but when he gave that message about how great old rock and roll music was and how praise music was boring, he lost me. SO many muppets agreed with him, because they wanted it to be an excuse for them to listen to the music of their teenage years too, if a pastor says its ok, it must be! What nobody stopped to think was, who are we singing for? Who is the One listening? JESUS, and does it matter if WE dont think praise music is trendy? Isnt it meant to be all about what JESUS thinks?? I emailed him, but nothing. Arent we supposed to correct each other? Mark loves correcting everyone else, harshly. But he cant be told even when he's wrong, he becomes the big victim..a big forgiver, as though he is never wrong. Back to my first few words.
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@@user-co2li1vd5d you seem to justify you have a right to slander others on here, Watch out you may trip over your own lies ,Jesusrebuked U, “Be silent and come out of him!
@@user-lk7zr5hm9y The sensitivity you have acquired is troubling. Slandering is saying stuff like "what an a*****e, or he's nothing but a useless man, or somesuch" get an education in descriptive wording. I am making true observations. Do you know what Jesus did with narcissists? Il bet you cant even identify who the narcs were in the bible. And do you know what Jesus said we are to do about them??
@@user-co2li1vd5d Look in the mirror when you say narcissists , sounds like your good friends.
@@user-co2li1vd5d user -co,
You think your God ? you and the rest of your gang are nothing but bullies
Marcion was right! 🎉
How about next step is full repentance, and asking forgiveness of the many that you harmed in Washington.
He did repent and apologize. Were you living under a rock? He reconciled with lots of people from his past. You can tell this is not the same man from 10 years ago
You seem bitter and have nothing to do except grind on your bitterness. It will not make your life better.
@@Gandolf420 This dude runs at church with no elders. Last church he ran had elders he didn’t listen to. Not bitter, but people need to pay attention.
@@rokuyoutube2190 I would say there are plenty of churches without elders. There are also plenty of churches that are huge with a bunch of elders that I wouldn't trust with a empty paper bag. Like normal the comment section is just not worth looking at anymore. bye
Pastors Robert Morris and Jimmy Evans are on the church’s board. I would say you couldn't have better persons to oversee his ministry@@rokuyoutube2190
Why did/does God allow slavery?
Why does God allow some little human beings to have authority over other human beings? (not counting parents and children)
What's wrong with God?
Really?
When others do hurt us it is certainly intended for evil (their own selfish desires to gain something at someone else's expense and causing them losses is pure evil.)
How many people get destroyed and never get to be in a really high position anywhere else?
If God is going to make bad things happen to us like he did with Joseph then he needs to put us into high positions like Joseph.
Instead, God spends most of his time rewarding the people who hurt us for their own evil purposes.
What a disgusting God.
(If God doesn't like what I say then God can demonstrate his awesomeness by forgiving me and blessing me.)
(I would really like to see that happen.)
CORRECTION: Benjamin was Jacobs youngest son
@pastormarkdriscoll who said you had the right to need to forgive anyone. If you don't have anyone challenging you, then, you cannot get stronger. It's no different than weight lifting. Resistance training is what keeps you growing muscle strength and stamina.
Yes, unfortunately this man has quite alot of pride, and absolutely cannot be told anything. This is a strong indication of a narcissist. I watched him alot earlier, but when he gave that message about how great old rock and roll music was and how praise music was boring, he lost me. SO many muppets agreed with him, because they wanted it to be an excuse for them to listen to the music of their teenage years too, if a pastor says its ok, it must be! What nobody stopped to think was, who are we singing for? Who is the One listening? JESUS, and does it matter if WE dont think praise music is trendy? Isnt it meant to be all about what JESUS thinks?? I emailed him, but nothing. Arent we supposed to correct each other? Mark loves correcting everyone else, harshly. But he cant be told even when he's wrong, he becomes the big victim..a big forgiver, as though he is never wrong. Back to my first few words.
In this one Discoll casts himself as Joseph being left for dead and sold into slavery by his brothers. He likens that to how he (Mark Driscoll) has been criticized publicly and how he, like Joseph has forgiven his brothers for publicly criticizing him. He's making himself out to be a completely innocent party who is being persecuted, but is so Christlike, that he forgives them. What a joke.
Your the joke, your NOT God , and you have NO truth in you
Joseph had a big mouth saying that they are going to bow to him.
He was naively telling them his dream..naively thinking they loved him, but all they were was jealous.
Thank you for preaching the word of God and his word out of The Holy Bible 🙏 your not in a suit and sugar coating the Lords word
The disabled are better than God if they somehow manage to forgive God and bless him even though he never cures the disabled in their life times.
God really needs to cure the disabled in their life times.
What's the point in making the disabled suffer their whole lives?
“He who corrects a scoffer gets dishonor for himself, And he who reproves a wicked man gets insults for himself. Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you, Reprove a wise man and he will love you. Give instruction to a wise man and he will be still wiser, Teach a righteous man and he will increase his learning.” (Proverbs 9:7-9, NAS95)
Evaluate Driscoll’s response biblically and you will see sheer arrogance and utter folly. Acts 29 has never recovered.
Note also the example of King David, man after God’s own heart, in 2 Samuel 16:5-14. He viewed even someone cursing him as being ordained by God to consider. Amazing humility. Don’t just walk, run from wolves like Mark Driscoll.
Joseph was falsely accused and convicted.
This kind of nonsense still happens today with all kinds of crimes and even in disputes between people or family members.
Just what is God's problem?
God allows this to happen and never punishes the false accusers in their life times.
While the innocent person has to suffer with all of society against them.
That just isn't right! (of course there are many people actually guilty of what they are accused of, and some of them somehow actually get away with it?_ That's just not right!
Playing the victim and analogizing a second wave of success to Joseph's elevation in Egypt is the most Mark Driscoll thing Mark Driscoll has done in recent memory.
poor nick , you go around with the devil being entertained by his company .
@@user-lk7zr5hm9y Mark, is that you?
@@nicklaushart9063 nick ,Why do you chase this Man down ? You follow him to his websites your hypocrisy .you and the rest of your gang are nothing but bullies.
What kind of ridiculous nonsense is God fooling around with?
We need to forgive our enemies or we don't get anything?
Our enemies are allowed to hurt us and get away with it?
This is utter nonsense!
Our enemies need to suffer and be punished and made to repay with they have taken for wronging us!
What a player he is, and I seriously doubt he forgives anyone, he's to proud.
Correct
There's a lot more people who need to forgive him. Than who he needs to forgive.
@@lilafeldman8630 That I can't believe.
@WORDversesWORL , you are the Disdainful fool on here
Why doesn’t he act on his own messages? It’s quite sad
A lot of miscreants on here from MN Days , Glad God moved Mark Away from that place.
Mark is trying so hard to put the family unit back together in the order that it should be.
Many of you don’t understand that men should be the strong person in the home. The 70’s were the beginning of the downfall of marriage.
This is bad theology that leads to work based seeking of God's blessings. You forgive others for one of two reasons, either:
A.-) Christ died for them at the Cross to rescue them from the same destiny you were headed to if it weren't for Him.
B.-) They are going to go to Hell and suffer the wrath of God.
This has nothing to do with you and your suffering.
Voddie Baucham does a much better job at explaining it than this nonsense.
If what Driscoll said were to be valid it is nothing but an insignificant foot note on the big picture.
I heard things, like he said it is well documented and public and I honestly don't care. I do have a problem with the goal post being moved from what really matters.
It's all about Him!!! Not us.
I've seen attacks on Jesus, and it is unfortunate that Jehovah is viewed as backwards, antiquated, vicious, and something that belongs to a past era of feudal kingdoms. The catch is Almighty God is the final authority, so despite (as an example) our feelings for prostitutes in the religion of pleasure, the LORD doesn't bless this. We are rewarded for our obedience to God, not our disobedience. Moreover, most things are not about morality, where they are about preferences, such as you have a water leak at home, and you need a plumber. The Holy Bible has no technical answers, so you get a plumber, unless you condemn them: Our ability to forgive enters the everyday life, because if we are against plumbers, then that will enter us and rule us like sin for anything with plumbing. Law works this way, there is only one King of kings and Lord of lords, and your little national laws are petty to the Most High God; how we answer these laws is important and rules our lives. This brings up the difference between demons and principalities, we can banish individual demons, but we cannot easily remove principalities (that is an area effect); we wrestle with the principalities for the spiritual wickedness in high places. God blesses his children, and I believe it is because the wicked world and its principalities have so many insurmountable problems (including the effects of sin upon our lives) that only the LORD knows what to do; we are told to struggle; we are to give evil no rest; we wear the full armor of God, in order to be ready for the day of trouble. I listen to the Holy Spirit when I can, and it only lets me talk about what I can understand; the Holy Spirit gives truth, and there is always more truth to know in this world of complexities. Forgiveness is part of Jesus, but it isn't everything, because even Jesus enters the battlefields of history: Choose wisely; I forgive all plumbers, from my example, for being plumbers; I cannot forgive The Devil and his sons as principalities, because God's justice is against them.
Mark did not repent and submit to biblical authority from his time at MH. He is categorically unqualified for the ministry.
Well, i have seen this for myself. But the fact that he just cant be told anything (accept correction) means this is going to ultimately between him and Jesus. Meanwhile ive stopped listening. I came back here hoping to see some humility but i dont see it, i see victimhood, again.
If any man can answer this question for me, why did he say that most men would have slept with Potifer’s wife if she asked them to? Do you think that is true for most men of faith? He said that most men in the audience would have done that, which I don’t feel like is a right thing to say about other men of
God? Does that mean than most men are weak?
What evidence is there of Mark doing something wrong that makes him unqualified? He may not be perfect, but he hasn’t done anything that would disqualify him from ministry.
You sound like someone who needs to repent and not be bitter for whatever reason it is that you hate this guy
@@inspirationtomoveforward6319 I dont know about what he "does" but he does SAY alot of stuff that is unbiblical..the tongue is as dangerous or more dangerous as a part of the body, it sets the whole body itself on fire..
@@JesusSaves77799 I think Mark says alot of stuff, verbal attacks on other men because he feel superior to them and makes judgment calls because his love is growing cold also due to lawlessness and maybe doesnt realize it.
So basically they didn't do anything to you huh
"How Mark Driscoll spiritually abuses people and then forgives them for being upset about it."
You have to know that there are male JEZABEL SPIRITS...PEOPLE HATE THOSE THAT WERE TAUGHT TRUTH FROM CHILDHOOD...1John 2:27.!!!
Mark, are you for real? comparing yourself to Joseph??
Good job adam , you just out it yourself, Go back to the Bar
The cognitive dissonance is palpable
and so is your attitude
@@user-lk7zr5hm9y That's pretty typical for me. But I'm glad we're on the same page about Mark Driscoll being a hypocrite and that he should publicly repent of his misdeeds
@@TeaParty4Thugs I think most of you man sound like your Defeated from MH
@@user-lk7zr5hm9y Even if I were from MH, Driscoll is still a perpetrator who is playing the victim. And a narcissistic heretic
He keeps calling anointing what the Bible doesn't call anointing, and says that characters from the old testament were Christians and served Jesus Christ. He doesn't know what he says, why listen to him?
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Take your baseball hat off, man, you so cool!!! I wasn’t sure for a few seconds If you were in church or not, but unfortunately you were! What’s inside it shows outside.