Debi Thomas debuts her version of Carmen at the 1987 Skate Canada International competition at the Calgary Saddledome. It was a preview of the Olympic ice rink she'd compete at 3 months later.
a triple triple was gusty back then, but she did hit it (until the Olympics) so I don't think it was a bad idea, but her double axel triple toe was also very good
Such a beautiful performance. I agree had she done this in Calgary she would be Olympic Champion. Remember she had 4 triples here like Witt did in Calgary but a triple-triple and a triple loop, which both give it much harder jump content then Witt who only did toes and sals and no big combination. Artistically she would atleast get all 5.8s, so even with Witt all 5.9s almost that would be enough to win with the tech. mark being the tiebreak.
Kat won because Midori was underscored and Debi choked. Her Olympic performance was very beatable. None the less she won and will never be forgotten. She, unlike you is unforgettable.
no the difference is debi was taking a full load in school and wanted to be a doctor, which she is now. I just saw stars on ice with debi, she is very remembered and still very popular.
A triple triple back then was rare and worth a lot more, and she did it well until the Olympics...and she was trying to get triple flip in the program as well, if she had, she would have really been superior
I think she should have changed that opening to a double axel triple toe combo, that way shed have a great combo and could use the triple toe later on in the program. she opened with that in the 85 season and never missed it!
@eren mori and as you can see, her mind was a mess in 1988 so she wasnt prepared and should have done a clean performance which would have won the gold
certainly. this program is not about posing and actaully showing real choreography and technicality. Kat's though a nice program, is safe, and all about poses and the costume.
Katarina may have had the pressure of the East German authorities on her shouler, but she did not have the pressure of attending an elite, academically rigorous university such as Stanford while also pursuing skating. Debi also had the pressure of her country on her shoulder, especially being the first African American to achieve such elite status in a traditionally white sport.
It's amazing that Debi was able to achieve all she did, considering that insane amount of pressure she was under. This is an absolutely phenomenal performance. And remember she did win the Bronze in the Olympics. That's incredible. Love Debi 💖
@@grantnoroyan9275 That is her current racist white boyfriend (maybe husband now) who she lives with in a trailer home. Look up "Ilyana Fix my Life" and you will see a lot of the story.
Wasn't that situation unbelievable? Living in a bug infested trailer and unable to to find her skates. Fortunately we did hear some positive news regarding Debi as she's skating again! Good luck to her!❤❤
I agree, skating last in front of a Canadian crowd, feeding off Liz Manley's performance (it was clear Katarina was beatable because Liz did it)...I think debi would have probably been second in the long with this, which would have been 2-2-2 and 1st over-all...
yes, but under pressure it wouldnt have been consistent, she was very consistent with that combo and still would have had more difficulty than Witt. And since she was very strong in the other two fases, it would have been enough to win.
@auamarine - What do you mean "Minority with no role model'? Obviously Debi is a minoty in this country. But, are you saying sh had no role models? I hope that's not the case. Debi had plenty of role models in lie (not just in the skating arena), some of them were black. Debi comes from a family of college-educated folks, some with advanced degrees, incl. her mother. One her relatives is an MIT graduate. Don't suggest that she is some poor little minority, because she wasn't.
Well, I guess I am a virgin, since you seem to think you are right all the time (and wrong about skating) I take that as a compliment. Whats really funny is I'm crazy about Katarina Witt, I just liked Jill and Debi better in that era. And as far as your second child, I will not post what I was going to, because even I am not that evil.
I don't think Kati's intimidationtactics really phased Debi. She predicted that she would beat Katarina at her own game at the 86 World, and she did. Katarina used similar tactics at group practices. I was at the 87 Worlds in Cincy. When another skaters music was being played for her to run through her routine while other skater stayed out the way, Kati would create moves to that skater's music. She would really show off. She was a number. Debi seemed to totally ignore her , however.
Seriously dude, if you have a problem with deal with it not in posts, its getting ridiculous, and others don't need to read it, it has nothing to do with skating.
Thank you for sharing this wonderful memory
and personally knowing her, debi is anything but a follower, she is the most driven human being I have ever met.
a triple triple was gusty back then, but she did hit it (until the Olympics) so I don't think it was a bad idea, but her double axel triple toe was also very good
yes debi was very artistic, very strong basic skating skill and very nice positions and lines...this program really showed a lot of her strengths off.
a beautiful program!!! wonderful interpretation of "Carmen" by Debi.
this would have won Calgary
She was freaking amazing ❤️
Such a beautiful performance. I agree had she done this in Calgary she would be Olympic Champion. Remember she had 4 triples here like Witt did in Calgary but a triple-triple and a triple loop, which both give it much harder jump content then Witt who only did toes and sals and no big combination. Artistically she would atleast get all 5.8s, so even with Witt all 5.9s almost that would be enough to win with the tech. mark being the tiebreak.
absolutely, this was a completely different skater, she was very balletic, expressive and artistic, and trained
Kat won because Midori was underscored and Debi choked. Her Olympic performance was very beatable. None the less she won and will never be forgotten. She, unlike you is unforgettable.
Lovely program.
no the difference is debi was taking a full load in school and wanted to be a doctor, which she is now. I just saw stars on ice with debi, she is very remembered and still very popular.
A triple triple back then was rare and worth a lot more, and she did it well until the Olympics...and she was trying to get triple flip in the program as well, if she had, she would have really been superior
Great!
I think this would have won the Olympics, even though she doubled, the rest was clean, and she was really on.
I think she should have changed that opening to a double axel triple toe combo, that way shed have a great combo and could use the triple toe later on in the program. she opened with that in the 85 season and never missed it!
@eren mori and as you can see, her mind was a mess in 1988 so she wasnt prepared and should have done a clean performance which would have won the gold
Debi, as a competitor, was almost Always *More* Consistent than Liz Manley. Certainly, Debi was here at Skate Canada. Pretty performance.
Interesting that Carmen was so rare back then... It's so overused now adays.
She would have won Calgary with this
certainly. this program is not about posing and actaully showing real choreography and technicality. Kat's though a nice program, is safe, and all about poses and the costume.
Katarina may have had the pressure of the East German authorities on her shouler, but she did not have the pressure of attending an elite, academically rigorous university such as Stanford while also pursuing skating. Debi also had the pressure of her country on her shoulder, especially being the first African American to achieve such elite status in a traditionally white sport.
It's amazing that Debi was able to achieve all she did, considering that insane amount of pressure she was under. This is an absolutely phenomenal performance.
And remember she did win the Bronze in the Olympics. That's incredible.
Love Debi 💖
I can't believe she let Jamie Looney bring her down
who is jamie loony
@@grantnoroyan9275 That is her current racist white boyfriend (maybe husband now) who she lives with in a trailer home. Look up "Ilyana Fix my Life" and you will see a lot of the story.
Wasn't that situation unbelievable? Living in a bug infested trailer and unable to to find her skates. Fortunately we did hear some positive news regarding Debi as she's skating again! Good luck to her!❤❤
I agree, skating last in front of a Canadian crowd, feeding off Liz Manley's performance (it was clear Katarina was beatable because Liz did it)...I think debi would have probably been second in the long with this, which would have been 2-2-2 and 1st over-all...
I don't think Kat did them because she wasn't consistent with them in competition, I don't think it had much to do with what Thomas was doing.
If only...
yes, but under pressure it wouldnt have been consistent, she was very consistent with that combo and still would have had more difficulty than Witt. And since she was very strong in the other two fases, it would have been enough to win.
Actually, I think it was Toller Cranston.
some of the tit for tat...back and forth comments have been very entertaining. My son is at kindy, it may be an education for him and his classmates!
@auamarine - What do you mean "Minority with no role model'? Obviously Debi is a minoty in this country. But, are you saying sh had no role models? I hope that's not the case. Debi had plenty of role models in lie (not just in the skating arena), some of them were black. Debi comes from a family of college-educated folks, some with advanced degrees, incl. her mother. One her relatives is an MIT graduate. Don't suggest that she is some poor little minority, because she wasn't.
Well, I guess I am a virgin, since you seem to think you are right all the time (and wrong about skating) I take that as a compliment. Whats really funny is I'm crazy about Katarina Witt, I just liked Jill and Debi better in that era. And as far as your second child, I will not post what I was going to, because even I am not that evil.
I don't think Kati's intimidationtactics really phased Debi. She predicted that she would beat Katarina at her own game at the 86 World, and she did. Katarina used similar tactics at group practices. I was at the 87 Worlds in Cincy. When another skaters music was being played for her to run through her routine while other skater stayed out the way, Kati would create moves to that skater's music. She would really show off. She was a number. Debi seemed to totally ignore her , however.
Seriously dude, if you have a problem with deal with it not in posts, its getting ridiculous, and others don't need to read it, it has nothing to do with skating.
She probably wouldnt have been allowed to be professional, it would have been a shame.
lol, funny you think I am a virgin, or how me being a skater makes me a virgin....cause kat sure isnt.
Manley should have won this.
I couldn't stand Elizabeth Manley. She was always so juvenile
Maybe Katarina slept with the female judges? I'm just sayin'.