The Andrew Huang AI Art Drama is Stupid
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Bro, that song sounded like a 90s Juice Box commercial 😂😂
"Had a hard day at work and need to quench your thirst? Take a chill pill, yo and grab a Lava Burst! Orange, Grape and Cherry to boot. And don't forget about my friend Passion Fruit! Break it dowwwn!"
When you think immersive art is easy.... it sounds exactly like that.
I would be embarrassed writing those lyrics down.
0 feedback loop. most artists rap suck equally as hard due to this "im the greatest and most hatest" culture
Is this the art version of dragging Splice loops into the DAW?
More like suno/udio that generate the whole sh!t track -__-
@@johndoe_1984 goddammit 😂
So dragging in loops should be considered high art at this point I guess
No, that is using stock images
Lol. No.
yeah they're both dumb as shit
"we did not use IA but from now we decide to never use IA anymore, and we will donate the money to the victims" hahahaha
His lyrics sounds a.i. created 😂
probably are
True crime channels: "He was a pdf file"
Weaver talking about AI: "The only thing worse than using AI online is being a pedophile"
That song reminded me of boyinaband 😂
So like, bad?
I HATE SCHOOL!
Andrew was never taught what laws there are, regarding AI art.
At this point i avoid any CZcamsrs that have buzzfeed ahh editing and shoving products every video instead of teaching me shit that i want to learn.
it's good you finally realized this 🫠
theres also a bunch of ai stock on stock sites not even labeled as ai...
Nah i dont understand how "ai sucks" is a fine thing to say about music but not art? Its lame as hell and people should shit on it.
I honestly don't care in either case. It's not like people who do a lot of commission work put their heart into all the work they do anyway. Producers who toss out 50 tracks per month to clients is no better than an AI. It's selling technical expertise, not art.
@@gutterg0d WOW you said it. 100% agree.
@@gutterg0d As someone who does commission work its definitely not that easy even when you're trying to phone it in. Technical expertise in music and in art are "art" I have no idea how you draw a difference between those. The problem is definitely AI in this case
@Avernalism You've invested time on getting the technical expertise to express the ideas on your head, and now when we're getting to a point where anyone can just ask to get what they want from a machine instead of you, I understand why you're afraid.
@@gutterg0d “I understand why you’re afraid” 🤓
You were SHAKING while typing this weren’t you😂🫵
Can we just all agree AI-generated images look cheap?
It use to be hard to tell the difference between AI and real, but my God, it's so obvious now when something is AI puke, it really has made me appreciate real artists more.
Depends on the prompt and model really. Most of the people using these tools don't really have that much of an artistic eye and lack the skills to make something really creative out of the output that the model gives them. That's why a lot of it looks the same and they go for these baroque type of pictures with a bunch of things happening without meaning.
If you look at good normal art, you can see that a lot of the elements have intent behind them. That's not the case with ai art which is why you get that soulless feel from it.
@@_loss_ Well said! Saved me from a rant.
i feel openai purposely ultra PIXAR'd the AI art so it IS obvious.. that fluffy, high contrast, complimentary colored fuzz.
@@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS It's not well said, It doesn't address my point, so I'll make it clear.
No matter how good the prompt/output, at the end of the day, even the best AI-generated images are soulless, even if completely indistinguishable from the artifacts of real art/music.
Why? **There's no conscious mind driving the formation...** Therefore, it's AI-generated SOUND, not MUSIC... End of story.
Edit: Prompting AI to create a "High quality, Soundcloud, Kendrick Lamar 808s 80BPM type beat" (or some top-tier prompt aiming for what you want) . . .
**ISN'T the same as awaking to hearing music in your head and then running to conceive it exactly as you hear it...**
@@daniel4412 I have to agree with you on ALOT that you said above here... And now i understand so much better where you are comming from.
But the logic that there is no conscious mind driving anything is 50% false. Its called prompt engineering now... dont be lazy and expect 0 work from your side!!! no matter what they promise.
I think AI will become as good with faking or more accurately learning "conciousness" and then use that very "conciousness" to drive the fake or learned music algo to produce that REAL FEEL music. But okay not here YET.
Also i find when people manually make "High quality, Soundcloud, Kendrick Lamar 808s 80BPM type beat" it triggeres me so so hard anyway and send me running to ACTUAL artists and innovative sounds. That mentality is why this whole trap genre and the whole edm genre struggles to make money in the first place man! it gives 0 contribution to the artform (oh that 1 little thing you did differently did NOT contribute)... its something you do for a hobby... its something like fan art opposed to actual manga.... copy others originality? its also FAKE. Triggers me like you wanna get paid for this now? hehehhe .
Cant you see its your imagination when it comes to AI tjhat fails YOU as THIS copy-paste-rework-the examples-mass-turnover fit in at all costs type of MENTALITY fails US ALL (including kendrik himself). Doing that its called plagiarising. Pillaging. Its Self-depricating trying to copy genius without learning what UNIVERSAL GENIUS EVEN IS. (just ask AI what is universal genius vs copying anothers's)
that said try instead to prompt AI with IMPOSSIBILITIES or UNIQUE ORIGINAL IDEAS from the AI like "afro-indo, ethic, guitar instrumental with a spicy, wavey mood about reaching god after an epic battle with the devil - Neo fusion INSTRUMENTAL" then split the stems and make actual original art from it (and if you add those ratcheting hats and gritty 808's better make them ORIGINAL)
Heres anothier prompt for IDEAS on how to get original 808's
"Lazery, melting, warm-ooze, punchy and bendy, dissonant Aztec and Mayan trap 808's with dragon scales and smoke"
Understand why AI is failing you.... and how this trying-to-fit-in hobbyist fan art derivative mentality has brought the industry to its knees.
AI could save us when APPLIED and not expected to do ALL THE WORK!!
I do agree with you about: *ISN'T the same as awaking to hearing music in your head and then running to conceive it exactly as you hear it...*
As an illustrator and visual designer, I would have made the art look almost like Abelton and/or Bitwig's interface along side more a symbol or illustration that is more representive of the message on each card. Or I would have made it look and like a full on Tarot deck or something
The word you're looking for to describe the artist's work: Boring. These cards look fucking boring.
Aircraft carrier carrier = multi-multiplier flier
this is just a ripoff of Brian Eno's Oblique Strategies with shitty art. though Eno's cards are like $50 (but there are 100).
YES THANK YOU
Well said 👍 yep it's a total ripoff of Oblique Strategies. But it's not as good because it's very prescriptive whereas Eno's cards are deliberately vague and opaque with the suggestions so you can interpret them in wildly different ways.
@@psychicwindow8295 There was an Oblique Strategies iOS app (pretty sure it was from Eno) back when I had an iphone 4S, unfortunately it never carried forward to modern phones\iOS. not as cool as an actual deck of cards but handy to have in your pocket.
I came here to say this. Eno's cards are 50 bucks but its BRIAN BLOODY ENO
@@jjwhittle8873 there's a free oblique strategies app. it's pretty neat
I use cabbage patch kids cards for inspiration, been doing so for years, decades actually. Nothing new here
I use the entire planet and everything within it. Why do gullible people who buy these cards not just look out the window or in a book? It's absolutely crazy that so many people think buying something is the solution.
Pdf > falsify copyright claim > ai art > murderer
Are we going to mention the fact he didn't use his deck in his song? There were like two bass movements, not even necessarily two chords. Which of course is not a requirement of music, but when your product is based on chordal movement and a kind of RNG of chordal movement you'd think he'd highlight that.
The way he cut up AI images is the same as people using presets and samples and making type beats
oblique strategic rip off
interesting comparison, to Eno's credit he invented a unique unconventional concept but Andrew's shit cards are basically something from a christian bookstore
This is just oblique strategies no?? Did he mention inspo in the vid? That sounds like more of a story than the AI stuff lol
i got an interesting one - im working on a game called DJ SIMULATOR and im including a default library of music, meaning i want about 100 songs ready to go on full release next year some time. I'm making SO MUCH MUSIC, and so when it comes to the album art, i figured it was such a small insignificant part of the game that "it's better with it than without it"
when i've show the project to people, they focus on the fact that i've declared the project as having AI art in it for the album covers - they make up such a small portion of the game but PEOPLE CARE NOW. i'd be better off scribbling some shit in paint now just to take it off the steam page D:
It is unironically always better to use real art instead of ai art, even for placeholder images, even if it looks like shit.
AI sucks in sound and visual art plain and simple. This guy needs to stick to instrumentals.
You dont even try to imagine anything you havent seen before do you?. But you are welcome to your opinion.
@@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS You can't even fathom my imagination Sunny. : )
@@Morales-nt6vi Thats fair. I dont know you. Wanna try share something to show me the extent of your vision? i couldnt tell from your initial comment. And ill admit its reductionist vibe triggered my AI loving ass. But you got me curious about your imagination now.
Lol u havent heard of Suno, Udio or Midjoudney I see
@@ILikeBreadBro Actually the last one I've never heard of.
It’s a rip-off of Brian Eno’s Oblique Strategies
is your Eye doing better? looks terrible, painful
his music is definitely funny
Some people just dont understand when andrew is joking around. LOL
I haven't even gotten thru the rap and ive already died of second hand embarrassment...
Also, i just realized that aircraft carriers don't fly. They float.
In the Marvel universe the Helicarrier flies.
@@TheValueOfN ... So he's a "hella helicarrier"?
@@SlapsyJaxy Exactly! Who knows though? Lyrics are art after all and their "quality" is subjective.
If you use Splice isn't that similar to using stock images? Noting wring at all about how that artist made those cards. That how making digital art has always been. The reason for using AI is so that you dont need to license an image for commercial use which is expensive. It does take more creativity to generate an image than to simply select one form Getty or whatever.
AI art mainly tries to mimic and replicate what humans have done in the past. It draws inspiration from existing works created by people. You can still find similar images on the internet today, and some were uploaded to certain websites 14 years ago.
I clicked because I thought it was Zach King 😂😂
I’m yet to see an artist who is defending AI art and is making great art without it already. The song Andrew made with these cards is god damn awful - like nightmare fuel levels awful
His music is bad in general lol he is technically skilled don't get me wrong, mad talented but his taste in music is questionable thus his music sucks but the quality is >>>
@@ILikeBreadBro Yeah that's the type of people for whom AI is perfect I guess. You can force eg. 10 years into learning guitar and if you put your mind into it I bet you'll be a successful player. But ideas for songs, world-building, etc. - these come from your compassion and human interactions. Apparently that's something these people lack so badly, to the points they're excited for a computer doing it for them. Profit oriented capitalists disconnected from the roots of humanity.
Andrew's song: no
ppl really dislike someone using Ai as their art to sell a product.. illenium recently did the same thing and ppl were not impressed. 2 reasons for this.. the Ai software scans ppl's art. so it technically could be stealing depending on what software they used. Just like Udio and Suno scanned spotify without telling ppl.. same thing literally. and the second reason is because ppl want to see someone with money pay and actual human, support the industry from within, don't destroy it.. leave that for the big record companies to do.. it's when an individual does this sort of thing ppl get pissed.
THAT AND RAW FEAR OF CHANGE. I'd pay for anything that hits my soul hard. AI included. I dont get why AI gets burned for "learning" from "examples" but TRAP and EDM culture has NO PROBLEM ULTRA DILUTING ANYTHING THATS GOOD THE SECOND IT HITS THE NET. Its sometimes just raw fear. Like mp3's causing MASS HYSTERIA for lables. AI is causing mass hysteria for humans. TRUTH IS no-one is getting replaced anytime soon... its simple tech disruption wiping out the old gen. AND IM OLD!!
All of Andrew’s music is just so cringe, even though he has a ton of production knowledge, bro is stuck in 2015 CZcams EDM
Not enough time in a day to polish youtube videos and social media marketing, and also polish your craft ^^
Well the thing is he makes a wide variety of music. Calling his music cringe is kinda a stretch tho
crazy cards for inspiration and making you take new aproaches was used by Brian Eno (St Elmo's Fire is good song etc.) , you can just write stuff on bits of cards
Also i think Mimes are probly between peodos and AI artists
I love how pedos love calling out other pedos. oops.
The cards seem like some tarot shit.
Imagine being a musician with millions of dollars worth of gear and come out with something like that 😂
i think it scummy how they all care about "artists" but really only mean their music not digital artists ect. using Ai for album cover is fine! but using ai to make a song is BAD and evill its stealing!!. or this trash. any artist that supports using AI only cares about money(change my mind). its should be seen as bad as using splice and changing nothing then saying you made it. aka lazy trash. andrew is just a cash grab lazy artist who DOES have talent but does the least amount of work to shill products. can you name a song of his? does he even make music? i honest dont know after watching his stuff as its mostly just crazy ways to make bad music to shill on
"Space Time"
"Touch-Tone Genius"
"Fluffy Unicorns"
that song is better than anything I’ve heard in the past 2 months
Honestly, I disagree it's a bad way to get inspiration. I mean, everything can be an inspiration (if you are brave enough lol). And while Andrew's cards are obviously an Oblique Strategies ripoff, I think neither is a bad way to get inspired. I'd not buy Andrew's cards, especially while Eno's ones are completely free, but what's more important, I think everything can make a creative spark for us producers. It can also be a book, a picture on the internet, a pizza box writing, experiencing touching grass or whatever. No need to buy anything for creative inspiration really.
AI sucks of course :D
AMEN. AI IS INSPIRING!!
The whole card concept is a rip of Brian Eno’s Oblique Strategies.
i like the beat a lot. also i like andrew a lot. he is a genuinely good person & isn't shady.
❤❤❤
Should be called The Book of Eno
Not only AI art, but AI lyrics... should have also used an AI voice
FLStudio has gone a better route with ai - using it to generate interesting chord progression ideas, its more complex than simple midi collections of progression. Also Apple are doing it right with generating drums and basslines, where their ai is trained on midi music rather than being trained to generate wav files.
Give it time.. AI quality will JUMP and already Udio is a goldmine of textures and samples in good enough quality to make future genres with. The trick is always to break or bend the rules if you want that exciting life. For instance, DONT generate songs with udio... use it for something unexpected (trust me its rewarding as hell). Also DONT use AI generated chords... USE THAT FUCTION LIKE NO ONE ELSE CAN IMAGINE!
Oblique Strategies of Brian Eno ripoff cards done with AI
And who is this "Scott"? If he's a professional designer he has an online presence. So where is it?
Lately I’ve been using AI generated music but creatively. The results usually suck or it comes out super cheesy and lame if you want something nice and melodic. But I generate a ton, keep the best ones, put them in Moises and separate the stems, then take a bunch of these separate stems and put them into FL studio. Then I just use bits and pieces, throw on effects, stretch them, reverse them, pitch them up and down. Layering them all. Oh, and put them all in the same key of course. And when you do that, you can kind of create cool textures and stuff. Or it all together kind of creates a melody or something and you can go off of that and start adding your own elements on top of that. Works for drums too. It’s fun to do when you’re someone like me that gets “beat block” like a lot because I’m not really a musician but I still like trying to make music for myself to enjoy and I love the process and doing something creative and productive with my time.
Oh and I guess you could do this with preexisting samples of course but I have this weird guilt about relying on samples too much. I have it in my head that I have to do it all myself, aside from using one shots. But for some reason it feels less bad when I’m taking from something that didn’t exactly exist before. I don’t know…
This is such an obvious usecase ... but its harder than hating.
@@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS what do you mean? I’m dumb lol
The rhyming of him was crazy tho
Facts. If I was in his position I'd have shown some balls, because you shouldn't ever apologise for something you didn't do. That's what it takes to remain hyperpopular though, i guess, and I'm just a freaky punk
the people who get upset about this are typically some of the most commercialized and boring artists - AI art is most threatening to ipad painters because that's what it best replicates
ipad painters?
@@daniel4412 trying to put a name to a certain style of illustration usually done in digital programs like procreate or illustrator using a stylus
kinda with you on this. Thank god i pad painters are good enough to train AI to be AMAZING!
He coulda made a free app version of the exact same thing and made some ad rev. With the Ai art the whole card thing is kinda crap. Andrew has a lot of talent and resources and
If he's gonna sell something it should be more than some like gift shop trash with little thought behind it. I vote boo Andrew on this not very fascinating moment of internet crap. Now let's get back to deepfake Nazi porn and other important things.
Andrew's story sounds like a quick and sloppy story put together to try and save face. Not really buying it honestly.
gAI
i made labels for bottles of hot sauce with ai last year. turned out amazing lol
I love Andrew but I genuinely wish he would stop rapping 😂
BUY MY BOOK!! 😂
BUY MY MUSIC!!
@@KOSMIKFEADRECORDS You got Dat three fiddy?
nah AI art fucking sucks, Andrew is really lame for that one
Hey man, if you enjoy making music then thats great. But if its not really appreciated by people maybe dont make a rap and broadcast it and expect not to get trashed. His rap was kind of dog water... after it exits the dog... The apology/excuses came out of the same hole
Its aweful when people think music is a easy trick and undermine the listeners need to be transported and immersed. He should have said way way way less... or meant it way way way more.. and maybe stuck to his strenghts.
Hey OG, @Weaverbeats you make money on patreon right? you do some talking and complaining and that is worth something but someone using midjourney is not? how are you better than that? i don't get it.
did your eye ever get better? looks kinda fucked up
this so dumb omg xDDD
Is Drew balding?
Andrew is fine. He works hard. But his music especially the rock or heavier stuff is abysmal.
He like most producesr that grew up in Trap and Edm land think its all formulas and chords and sounds... even Au5 sucks even though I'd recommend his vids for learning... infact just show me youchoober "personality" that DOES double up as quality artist believably...
Everyone hates AI art because the tools are learning off stolen art without artist's permission. As artists we should all condemn that shit.
Then you have companies like Wacom of all people promote their new products with AI art... Like your only customer base is creatives who are threatened by AI art and you thought that was a good idea?
No be honest. If that was true then everyone would hate TRAP and EDM as a whole. Its FEAR and a lack of IMAGINATION. Boggles my mind no one thinks about BREAKING THE RULES WITH THIS SHIT. You will always have to do things in a new way to contribute something useful.. like this channel... just ripping off the news instead of simply reporting it. ITS ART!
Who gives a shit...honestly...
If these have real art i would say nice 33 bucks is high but i would understand it
Even if the artists use Ai the artist in question still got paid.
The argument is that a less lazy artist could have been able to pay their rent.
@@TheValueOfN em... show me one less lazy artist that can pay their rent as is. Only the artists that refuse to up their qualtiy or productivity USING AI will survive. I paid a huge price for hating on EDM and TRAP because of all the dilution and obvious steps backward... and boy was i wrong carreer wise. To this day i dont get the cultures... I DO LOVE ME SOME SWEET INNOVATION THOUGH and there ARE artists i respect.. but the "movement" is trash. No usrprise everyone still struggeling and hating on AI. NO INNOVATION and really acidic materialistic values... AI can actually fix that if were smart enough to IMAGINE newness like the leading music gods EVERYONE making tutorials about.
Bros defending the witch
How many mouths must a musician feed?
Music is something that people do for fun. If it provides fun it makes money easily. Look at this channel... they just rip off the news and its FUN! MUSICIAN is NOT a real career. That idea is a prank played on the millions by the 1 in a million guy that CAN provide enough fun . THATS how the industry sells you the dream. Didnt you know? Or did you believe them that if you worked your ass off you would EARN your place among the stars? To this day its a lie. For the artist having FUN, and providing FUN... its much easier. Only 1 in a million will make it because they finally understand their audience and ENJOY the satisfaction they SEE... that keeps them productive.. Do you see any satisfaction in your audience? Do you see them having fun with your "music"? Do you know what fun even is? You can easily get money from people if you have what they NEED. If they dont need what you have.. change to something they DO. Theres no secret there... its called DEMAND vs SUPPLY... and the SUPPLY in your genre/platform is smothering you. Dont try to be the "best" or "greatest" or try to come up with a trick or gimmick or even improve your quality.... Try to spot a gap or a micro niche that is UNDERSUPPLIED. Mumble rap almost worked for the first few until the demand was wiped by supply. Trap still has legs but you must understand the shape and form of the demand! Edm can still work if you BREAK ALL THE RULES and create a new DEMAND.
Its damn hard. It really is. We were lied to. We were lying to ourselves tooo. IF you are a great musician, the money just doesnt even matter at all! Career will depend on finding the DEMAND and it will be almost instantly. Thats why we work... to search for our true fans. The ones who think we are THE MOST FUN!!
But dont trust me im a broke muso too (but mostly cause im that talented lazy fuck who is a social and too lazy to provide the fun in the first place)
people are just pissed that he didn't waste more money for his "product". If he signed all carts or licked them, he would sell more. people hate to spend money on him and he doesn't not spend on people. But I dont care. Choosing AI just reflects on his bad taste. AI can be good and better than real people's work, but in general, the picture and everything could be better. No matter who and how it was created. Bad artist complain about AI, coz AI can do it by chance/iterations. GIT GUD!
TRUTH. Style and psychology MATTERS.
I love Ai art! hehehe... as an artist... gets my juices flowing.
If AI threatens your job.... more than your lack of imagination, talent and discipline, you've been suckered into the "everything must stay the same or we are all doomed" mentality, Facebook and Spotify fucked you LONG before AI did... AI is BOOSTING my creativity, Imagination, Critical thinking, psychological understanding, and business skillset to the NEXT level... you were replacable before... your shit didnt sell before... you couldnt build a brand before... Now you are just EXTRA obsolete because your bars suck harder than andrews, you couldnt invent shit and just reworked everyone elses shit... you kept jumping from bandwagon to bandwagon... Tech just fucks you everytime... You got all the samples, all the software, all the collaborators... all the TECH... but you chose to COPY, DILUTE and PLAGERISE instead of CREATE, CONCENTRATE and INNOVATE. hehehe... AI hate triggers me almost as much as dog eat dog self canibalising gangster trap / edm culture. Just tripple down on SOUL and IMAGINATION and AUTHENTICITY.. or go blame AI for just being better at that then you.
Im also mad that i suck okay?
WOW thanks for bringing Andrew into this i actually love his ideas even if he IS irretating!
it's funny that ppl claim that AI is destroying the art world, when it seems more it's affecting ppls perception of art. They gotta stop obsessing over another piece of tech. Also it's wild that ppl gobble up AI music but turn their nose at AI art.
People gobble up AI music? I had no idea we've fallen that low already.
@@daniel4412 _some_ people, and mostly as some genre of novelty (comedy songs or kids replacing every singer with Michael Jackson)
@@daniel4412 They have. Its a highly interactive and personalised way to have INSTANT FUN. Kinda like creating your avatar for a game, or playing minecraft or getting good trick in a daw. FUN.
@@crnkmnky THIS IS THE GODLY TRUTH. Well said! EASY TO UNDERSTAND AFTERALL.
@@crnkmnky Sure, it can be fun to play with, I've played around with AI generated images, but it's not art and this (AI generated sound) isn't music.
Ai generated images.
Ai generated sound.
Every comment triggers a rant from me... LOL ... whats wrong with me?
Can we agree that even if we have issues with how AI is trained or marketed or whatever.... the AI haters are so stupid that they push you to the other side of the argument?
Nah I can't agree on this. It's a fair point but nuance is nice
@@XantuxNepomuk yeah, of course I won't write a 20 line comment. But the point stands, you can be right (or partially right) and be so anoying that most people will want nothing to do with you.
I have no problem writing 20 line comments... but this is truth you speak. I get SUPER TRIGGERED by AI arguments but its only my own fault too heheheh
I really don’t care about Ai made stuff. We can’t stop it. Better accept it.
Yes just lay down and take it, stop fighting and just pretend you like it. Nope.
@@famousarmystudio i feel you bro. You dont have to do that. I dont think that is the ask.
But honestly i think you haven't tried any AI product with your full imagination yet.
If you have you'd see that its still GOING TO GET REAL GOOD at satisfying our deepest needs and desires at some point.
For me it satisfies my thirst for REASONING and solving mysteries with critical thinking. NOW THAT I DID NOT EXPECT!
Coding indicators for deeper crypto trading, researching and designing next level acoustic treatment for my studio, learning easily and deeply complicated psychological concepts.
Also last three days i've generated some wonkey and juicy as glitches and lo fi artefacts with "text to sample" by trying to make it do the impossible. Im using its badness for good!
Up to you to figure out what use you can squeeze from it. But i promise you im learning things using AI and getting results that i thought was for the next generation! Think NEO in the matrix... how they download shit into their brains.. AI can structure data and images and audio that is INSTANTLY ABSORBABLE. Just try to bend it to your will.
AI art is just art
most of the things occidentals are complaining about is just their culture and how capitalism works, seems they lack the education to realize that and turn to luddism instead 😂
Who cares if he used AI. If he did price the cards for 7.99$