No One is bigger than the Game. This is a beautiful documentation. I thank you Json who wss kind enough to send some of his Artwork to me some years ago. 🙏
Nah bro y’all definitely famous to who it matters to. I just had a crazy nostalgia moment. You,Seen,Cap, Cope ,phase2 , Tracy168, futura, Zephyr,Revolt Mann y’all are Legends!
It's crazy how much graffiti has changed since I started back in the mid 90s. I used to cut out the pics from the source , then a friend older brother gave me a couple of 12oz prophet mags and I formed my style from copying everyone from King cope to seen ces caps dens and throw in some modern art and realism and I was off on a weird art trip. We went from making caps with a lighter and a clothespins to getting any kind of cap I need at the store on rivington , buying mops specially made. It's crazy but the roots and the basics have not changed , the fast tags and throwies and the criminal aspect to it all is still the same.
Awesome interview!! I wholeheartedly agree. People who Write Graffiti come from ALL different strata of society, with ALL different taste. I feel ICHabod, YME circle T. Embodies everything a REAL Writer/Graffiti Atist/Vandal is. He Mainely paints freights, (IMO the modern equivalent to subway cars) He has a very legible, recognizable style. With a character. And His color Selection is Masterful. He paints ALL THE TIME! Year-round. He does it for the JOY of getting up. To be PROLIFIC. To be on every car, on every line. All over the country. He does it for himself. No one else. And its all illegal.
My Hood I'm from Marble Hill 225th some of the dopest train Burners - Sak was a monster i remember him BORN CRAZY was the neighborhood Crew Oops was from there Tracy168 too LENT also SEEN Wow TERROR161 . I was lucky my cousin is PART1 he was from Spanish Harlem 116th Park
Bro is right. Graff always got marketed as a part of Hip Hop here in Europe. "The 4 Elements" (writing, b-boying, rapping and turntablism), as they call it. And you always had to repeat and respect this as being true, or nobody would take you serious or consider you as being "real". Absolutely ridiculous to me. One love from Germany.
in the 80s as there were people that listen to hip-hop and did graffiti there was a lot that listened to hard-core also. Especially towards the mid to late 80s.
Hey, I don’t know who produced this vid. I forgot I even did the interview. I am not mad that you didn’t get clearance or ask my permission. Rather I am grateful that you thought enough of my words to illustrate my points with the photos to back them up. Masterful job. I applaud your effort. Terror161/Jayson/Tarantula 235 TMOB
Hey, Sorry for not asking for clearance first. Your feedback is much appreciated. Thank you for your time and the work you've done over the years. Much love from Berlin!
I am considering a new project that would document old school graff legends in a series of interviews . I may reach out to you for involvement . I like your editing and ability to do research to source images and video footage to illustrate the subject matter. Did not know u are from Berlin.
From his time until about 2007-11/12 if you didnt come up in the graff game how he said in NY than you didnt do it right .. minus bombing outside train cars more so tunnel work .. You went thru and did what he did 🫡🫡good times … #Bx has/had top graff from back then till mid 2000s Also give queens they cred they have some guys out there that go crazy with the paint
as soon as i saw the thumbnail Terror 161 I recognized that Tag when I was bombing the system back in the early 80’s great interview need to get a Tag on my black book from this gentleman.
@@The.Art.of.Expression Its got the vibe of Laurent Garnier - Forgotten Thoughts. Either way, that technique hasnt been used in ages to let a backing track just run without stop, really fucking cool.
@aaronx8006 looking at modern evolution of everything, would it be unfair to observe that maybe yall should have spent some of that time you invested arguing that you invented everything into actually contributing more innovation. Seems like any time you see native New Yorkers main staging anything these days, the first question that comes to mind is: Does NY have a sound anymore? Because in way too many arenas, modern NY just sounds and looks like everyone else.
Philly was first on streets . I was referring to first subways appearance . In NYC , The 1 line which ran through Bronx and Manhattan is where it started. Philly was unknown to NYC’s first subway writers and did not spark the movement . Terror 161/ J.SON
@JayEdlin "New Yorkers didn't even know." My point exactly. I'm from the south. You know how many things I've heard New Yorkers SWEAR they invented that we were doing 40 years ago in deep southern small towns that had no way of ever even hearing about what yall were doing? I'm not hater and I have love for New York. But that's one reason yall running around copying everyone else now trying to stamp NY. Spend too much time bragging about what you "started." Not nearly enough time actually innovating. Opinions don't matter. The timeline is there.
why dont bk and bx bomber get along shout out who i remember gano beck stem skuf remo jbone kez5 niema wiser donk dink and kasp1 me shout out gano cool dude
This guy try to separate hip-hop from graffiti is almost impossible 20:10 I understand you're white and you want to say rock 'n' roll has something to do with it, but I don't feel it. I am 10 younger than you so I give you some respect for beingaffiliated with the ball busters/ I remember those years in the early to mid 80s in the yards somewhat agree / is his view peace Sin136 nyc Wash heights
What he's failing to recognize is that graffiti shares the same attributes as rap, Dj, breaking..in that they all originated from the streets of New York, they were all aggressive forms of self expression, they all compete against eachother via "battling" and many of the participants practiced a combination of the elements. An example would be Phase 2 also rapped or Doze Rocsteady danced and wrote so to say they are all completely separate and cannot be recognized as all elements of Hip Hop is a stretch in my eyes. Yeah okay you didn't cross practice in other elements but many did and they were existing together in the streets on NY at the same time. Graffiti was first yes, so it was the first element of a street culture came to be known as Hip Hop.
He mentioned Doze. Graffiti is NOT hip hop. FBA's say hip hop is black. In that case who are the FBA's of graffiti? Cornbread? Philadelphia has nothing to do with New York. Is Stickball a part of hip hop since it has the same attributes as rap & djing? Is Punk music a part of hip hop since The Ramones are also from New York? The punk scene also had a lot of graffiti. Graffiti and hip hop coexisted together from the late 70's to about 84'/85', that's it!
@makeuthink2120 Cornbread wrote his name but it never evolved to what we know as graffiti today. Stick ball is a sport, no similar attributes. Punk musicians don't battle eachother and don't use street names like Lovebug Starski. Graffiti is a part of Hip Hop.
@@fearo153 If Hip Hop is the product of "FBA", then who are the FBA of Graffiti or "Subway Art"? If Graffiti is Hip Hop then who are the "guests" in Graffiti?
That's just your world I'm probably twenty years older than you and on the other side of the country and the hippies and the hobos were doing it plus other art. And this was in the sixties.So hate to bust your bubble. But you didn't start it all. And it was probably around before that.
Let me educate u mr terror 161 in the black community hip hop is are culture black writer's lived in totally different neighborhoods where they listen to different music from u white writers at that time of the 70s the father of hip hop was a writer by the name of kool herc so u gotta speak on what u know and not what u think white writer's are respected in hip hop as well when they know and understand hip hop is not rap it da way u walk talk dress dance and paint
I think he's saying in the earliest years before the hiphop movement writing was being done by every one and that it had nothing to do with music. It was and is a subculture on its own.
None of the early NY writers claim Cornbread or Philadelphia as an influence. When you have a chance watch the movie Rocky, again. Notice in the beginning there's a scene when Rocky gets inside a car to talk with Gazzo. In the background there's a train going by that is completely clean. In NY, at that time, a train like that wouldn't exist.
The Knowledge and humbleness without the bitterness some OG heads have .. thank you JSON 💯🤘🙌
RIP BIG BRO TRACY 168,BIG UP TO ALL ORIGINAL WRITER'S WHO MADE AN IMPACT, TRACY 168 IS WATCHING ALL OF US.
No One is bigger than the Game. This is a beautiful documentation. I thank you Json who wss kind enough to send some of his Artwork to me some years ago. 🙏
Nah bro y’all definitely famous to who it matters to. I just had a crazy nostalgia moment. You,Seen,Cap, Cope ,phase2 , Tracy168, futura, Zephyr,Revolt Mann y’all are Legends!
I've watched many many graff interviews, this gotta be one of the best.
Really? How bad were the ones you watched if this is top tier to you?
Damn this was an epic video we young guys arent gonna let graff die
As a kid that grew up in NY in the 90s this was truly interesting.
Really cool take on things, very much appreciate the perspective and insight.
It's crazy how much graffiti has changed since I started back in the mid 90s. I used to cut out the pics from the source , then a friend older brother gave me a couple of 12oz prophet mags and I formed my style from copying everyone from King cope to seen ces caps dens and throw in some modern art and realism and I was off on a weird art trip. We went from making caps with a lighter and a clothespins to getting any kind of cap I need at the store on rivington , buying mops specially made. It's crazy but the roots and the basics have not changed , the fast tags and throwies and the criminal aspect to it all is still the same.
The thing I’ve noticed change…it’s seems ok to be a toy nowadays.
Such an amazing interview he covered so much. Much respect ✌️
Awesome interview!!
I wholeheartedly agree.
People who Write Graffiti come from ALL different strata of society, with ALL different taste.
I feel ICHabod, YME circle T.
Embodies everything a REAL Writer/Graffiti Atist/Vandal is.
He Mainely paints freights, (IMO the modern equivalent to subway cars)
He has a very legible, recognizable style. With a character. And His color Selection is Masterful.
He paints ALL THE TIME! Year-round.
He does it for the JOY of getting up. To be PROLIFIC. To be on every car, on every line. All over the country. He does it for himself. No one else.
And its all illegal.
that was awesome!! thank you he articulated so well
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What a video. I could listen to Terror talk graf for hours. Very well spoken and interesting point of view. Salute
Nice to see this guy. I wondered since I was 9 about him. When i got slinged subway art by my sisters boyfriend. In 1995
7:36 The Original MOB very well known Graffiti crew in the late 80s Brooklyn had their own version Masters of Bushwick 🎶❤️💯❤️🎶
Great to hear you sharing Brotherrrr.
Well done. ✌️😎
Tunz
Dope interview 💪
My Hood I'm from Marble Hill 225th some of the dopest train Burners - Sak was a monster i remember him BORN CRAZY was the neighborhood Crew Oops was from there Tracy168 too LENT also SEEN Wow TERROR161 . I was lucky my cousin is PART1 he was from Spanish Harlem 116th Park
"Acid etch tags are the cockroaches of graff"
😂this is so hilarious
Bro is right. Graff always got marketed as a part of Hip Hop here in Europe. "The 4 Elements" (writing, b-boying, rapping and turntablism), as they call it. And you always had to repeat and respect this as being true, or nobody would take you serious or consider you as being "real".
Absolutely ridiculous to me.
One love from Germany.
The only culture i eva known, above any religion, flag etc etc shout out 2 terror161 n rip tracy168
Tracy died? He was on borrowed time with his couch surfing
Memories don't die
Masters Of Broadway.
231st Kingsbridge area
Guy started frothing at the mouth talking about graffiti so much 😂😂😂
Bro 😂 I thought It was a retainer then twords the end of the video I was like awh nah bro you need some water asap
in the 80s as there were people that listen to hip-hop and did graffiti there was a lot that listened to hard-core also. Especially towards the mid to late 80s.
It was about 50/50 when I got into it in the mid to late 90s
See the book Urban Styles: Graffiti in NY Hardcore. I went to a book signing for it.
Started in 1977 in the Bronx. It was Rock all the way. Early 80’s it was funk then faded to hip hop.
Hey,
I don’t know who produced this vid. I forgot I even did the interview. I am not mad that you didn’t get clearance or ask my permission. Rather I am grateful that you thought enough of my words to illustrate my points with the photos to back them up. Masterful job. I applaud your effort.
Terror161/Jayson/Tarantula 235 TMOB
Hey,
Sorry for not asking for clearance first. Your feedback is much appreciated.
Thank you for your time and the work you've done over the years.
Much love from Berlin!
I am considering a new project that would document old school graff legends in a series of interviews . I may reach out to you for involvement . I like your editing and ability to do research to source images and video footage to illustrate the subject matter. Did not know u are from Berlin.
Loved this video,super humble guy and a king
And I always wondered who was JSON, seriously!
*An art form created by American urban kids of NYC from all backgrounds with their own aesthetics and not from colleges and universities.*
Great explanation
Json, Ammo, and Sandoz had a good run on Broadway.
Dope.🤘Terror
All I can see is the spit in his mouth. Camera man; "Lets make the spit on both sides of his mouth the focal point". Job well done.
😂
wtf 😂
killer video.
Respect!
From his time until about 2007-11/12 if you didnt come up in the graff game how he said in NY than you didnt do it right .. minus bombing outside train cars more so tunnel work ..
You went thru and did what he did 🫡🫡good times …
#Bx has/had top graff from back then till mid 2000s
Also give queens they cred they have some guys out there that go crazy with the paint
as soon as i saw the thumbnail Terror 161 I recognized that Tag when I was bombing the system back in the early 80’s great interview need to get a Tag on my black book from this gentleman.
Dope interview. Know the rules. Graffiti rules don’t exist anymore.
That's because their of bunch of lames that's why!
Great vid. What's the music at the very end called?
Thx for that💪💪
***** Much Respects ...
That’s awesome
Amazing interview. As for hip hop and writing, Futura 2000 was a terrible rapper. But I still listen to his stuff.
Warriors
Anyone know the backing music at the start? Such a sick documentary.
The music was composed for that video.
Thanks for leaving a coment!
Peace from Berlin!
@@The.Art.of.Expression Its got the vibe of Laurent Garnier - Forgotten Thoughts. Either way, that technique hasnt been used in ages to let a backing track just run without stop, really fucking cool.
would love to see one on pk kid
15:00 Well said!
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Egypt is the home of graffiti. 1000s of uears ago. Hielo-graff
Whats the music playing on the background?
Created by Graffiti Legacy.
:/
Can I get it somehow?
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it was a period in time that is now erased like the graffiti was!!!!!
I guess he doesn’t like hip hop. He rode that point like Bronco Billy!
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He must mean that's where it started in NY. Why do New Yorkers think they invented air and everything? 😒
Because New York invented everything 🤣
@aaronx8006 looking at modern evolution of everything, would it be unfair to observe that maybe yall should have spent some of that time you invested arguing that you invented everything into actually contributing more innovation.
Seems like any time you see native New Yorkers main staging anything these days, the first question that comes to mind is: Does NY have a sound anymore?
Because in way too many arenas, modern NY just sounds and looks like everyone else.
Philly was first on streets . I was referring to first subways appearance . In NYC , The 1 line which ran through Bronx and Manhattan is where it started. Philly was unknown to NYC’s first subway writers and did not spark the movement .
Terror 161/ J.SON
@JayEdlin "New Yorkers didn't even know."
My point exactly. I'm from the south. You know how many things I've heard New Yorkers SWEAR they invented that we were doing 40 years ago in deep southern small towns that had no way of ever even hearing about what yall were doing?
I'm not hater and I have love for New York. But that's one reason yall running around copying everyone else now trying to stamp NY. Spend too much time bragging about what you "started." Not nearly enough time actually innovating. Opinions don't matter. The timeline is there.
@@TrailHandBill seems like you’re doing a great job at hating 😂 nobody in NYC cares or asked you for your opinion..worry about the farm you from ..
why dont bk and bx bomber get along
shout out who i remember gano beck stem skuf remo jbone kez5 niema wiser donk dink
and kasp1 me shout out gano cool dude
Saliva overload🤮🤮
This guy try to separate hip-hop from graffiti is almost impossible 20:10 I understand you're white and you want to say rock 'n' roll has something to do with it, but I don't feel it. I am 10 younger than you so I give you some respect for beingaffiliated with the ball busters/ I remember those years in the early to mid 80s in the yards somewhat agree / is his view peace Sin136 nyc Wash heights
I never cared for wall art.
What he's failing to recognize is that graffiti shares the same attributes as rap, Dj, breaking..in that they all originated from the streets of New York, they were all aggressive forms of self expression, they all compete against eachother via "battling" and many of the participants practiced a combination of the elements. An example would be Phase 2 also rapped or Doze Rocsteady danced and wrote so to say they are all completely separate and cannot be recognized as all elements of Hip Hop is a stretch in my eyes. Yeah okay you didn't cross practice in other elements but many did and they were existing together in the streets on NY at the same time. Graffiti was first yes, so it was the first element of a street culture came to be known as Hip Hop.
He mentioned Doze.
Graffiti is NOT hip hop. FBA's say hip hop is black. In that case who are the FBA's of graffiti? Cornbread? Philadelphia has nothing to do with New York. Is Stickball a part of hip hop since it has the same attributes as rap & djing? Is Punk music a part of hip hop since The Ramones are also from New York? The punk scene also had a lot of graffiti. Graffiti and hip hop coexisted together from the late 70's to about 84'/85', that's it!
Great stuff …Everything he said was true, I lived it …. Went to school SHS …With a lot of writers..good stuff..
@makeuthink2120 Cornbread wrote his name but it never evolved to what we know as graffiti today. Stick ball is a sport, no similar attributes. Punk musicians don't battle eachother and don't use street names like Lovebug Starski. Graffiti is a part of Hip Hop.
@@fearo153 If Hip Hop is the product of "FBA", then who are the FBA of Graffiti or "Subway Art"? If Graffiti is Hip Hop then who are the "guests" in Graffiti?
@makeuthink2120 what is FBA? Fast Breakin Artists the only FBA I know 🤣
That's just your world I'm probably twenty years older than you and on the other side of the country and the hippies and the hobos were doing it plus other art. And this was in the sixties.So hate to bust your bubble. But you didn't start it all. And it was probably around before that.
Graffiti has no corealation to b-boy or black hip hop besides some brothers did graffiti
*NYC*
Graffiti is not Hip Hop.
Let me educate u mr terror 161 in the black community hip hop is are culture black writer's lived in totally different neighborhoods where they listen to different music from u white writers at that time of the 70s the father of hip hop was a writer by the name of kool herc so u gotta speak on what u know and not what u think white writer's are respected in hip hop as well when they know and understand hip hop is not rap it da way u walk talk dress dance and paint
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I think he's saying in the earliest years before the hiphop movement writing was being done by every one and that it had nothing to do with music. It was and is a subculture on its own.
Throwing "speak on what you know" into all that is peak irony
.he thinks he's a hero.He's really just a punk vandal
Lol 😂 you sound like a chump 😂
Philly is where Graffiti started. Not New York. These dudes from New York think everything revolves around them
None of the early NY writers claim Cornbread or Philadelphia as an influence. When you have a chance watch the movie Rocky, again. Notice in the beginning there's a scene when Rocky gets inside a car to talk with Gazzo. In the background there's a train going by that is completely clean. In NY, at that time, a train like that wouldn't exist.
Started in Egypt goofy
Because it does 😂
In the movie Westside Story
Which came out in 1961 there was Graffiti which was before Cornbread
What is the name of the music in the background?
The music was produced for this video.
It does not have a name. You are invited to give it one!
Peace!
@The.Art.of.Expression woah
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Jayson , Ammo, Terror… TMob. Ces, Tracy168 Rip Raymond Rasta ( best hand style). I got jumped by the ball busters.