Review: Trumpet Mouthpiece - Yamaha 14A4a - screaming lead high notes?
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- čas přidán 15. 02. 2018
- Jason reviews the Yamaha 14A4a mouthpiece.
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I used a shilke 14a4a for 2 decades. my favorite mouth piece.
Great instructional video Jason!
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My Dad spent a lot of time with me as a 5th grader to find a MP that did not cause me discomfort and that fit me well as a young student. The Bach 7C that came with my trumpet was just not a good fit for the shape of my lips and even with out pressure caused me pain. He got me a Yamaha 14B4 after we had tried a lot of pieces locally. It was a match made in Heaven and as I grew as a player my lips became much less sensitive and my air control and breath support improved. Today I play Bach and Stork MP's mostly and the rim profile on MP's does not bother me! As a 5th grader though finding a rim profile that did not make my lips hurt after 15 minutes of playing was HUGE! That and finding a MP that had the right rim profile, throat size and back bore for a little 5th grader made a big deal too. A lot of other MP's we tried that fit my lips had throats of back bores that where just too large for me!
buckaroobonsi555 similar way here, can't play crap on many mouthpieces that I've played on expect for a 14a4a. I don't know if the Shilke is any different, but that's what I use. It's the best all around mouthpiece, I never use it as a "screamer"
buckaroobonsi555 I
But what model of mouthpiece of Yamaha would be better for better range and high register?
I always follow your channel. Thanks for your suggestions. I want to ask you what do you think of the Bach Artisan 3 C mouthpiece? Is it really a copy of old Vernon and NY?
The answer really depends on which vintage mouthpiece you scan for the comparison. There are more variations of the 3C than we will ever discover. The question should be, "which mouthpiece size/shape fits you the best?"
Can you do a review on the Eric Miyashiro mouthpiece by yamaha? Much appreciated, and love your content
When we get one in stock, I'll film a video.
Could you compare the Yamaha 14A4a to the Schilke original
What is the measuring tool that you used to measure the inner cup diameter?
I'm looking for a new mouthpiece that'll make it easier to play high notes. As of right now, I can max hit an E above the staff and a song I have needs me to hit the F# above that. I tried someone's 14a4a mouthpiece and it was a lot easier to hit higher notes, but I want to make sure it wasnt just me being able to play high notes because it was a new mouthpiece and that it was the actual mouthpiece.
If a 14a4a was easier, it is very likely you are using far too much mouthpiece pressure. You may want to watch my videos on mouthpiece mistakes.
Hi Harrelson! Very useful reviews in this channel! Sometimes i use Yam 14A4a for big band with great results (i'm not a lead). Very good mouthpiece for high register and i agree with you about low register: the sound has no core... Actually i'm using Yamaha 14B4 for all around play from jazz to classical. Very good sound and flexibility. I think the rim is very similar to 14A4a and i can switch from this to 14B4 with no problem.
I think 14B4 is somewhat like a 14A4 with a bit deeper cup and a similar rim (probably a bit wider).
Have you ever tried it? I'm really interested to know you opinion.
I think 14B4 is a underrated mouthpiece!
The 14B4 is a better 3C, at least for me.
Yamaha 14B4 has a quicker response and a bit more sizzle also, to me has a perfect inner edge. The Bach 3C has a richer sound with a bit more “presence”. Symphonic and regal. I’ve tried the Yamaha 14A4a several times and find it to blatty maybe because my lips protrude and enter the cup so I need a bit more depth.
14-Diameter A-Depth 4-Rim Contour A-Backbore size
The Heavy Is A Spai yes
My main mouthpiece is a Blessing 3C, basically a cheaper copy of a Bach 3C. I recently got a Schilke 14A4A and .... I kind of like it. I still like my 3C but I'll take both out busking and play the 3C the first hour and then switch to the Schilke the 2nd hour.
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Cool. So, for me as a casual player who can reach a good G above the staff...which mouthpiece would make it a little bit easier to expand the register? Many thanks.
The mouthpiece that better fits your playing preferences and physical attributes. Have you tried the 5MM?
Harrelson Trumpets thank you for the kind reply. No, I have not! The issue is two-fold...the size/shape for me, and the brand. I’ll look them up:)
Can you do a review on the Yamaha bobby shew jazz mouthpiece thanks
Yes, we have many variations of the Shew Jazz mouthpiece.
The original runs of the Schilke 14A4a were vastly different and far superior than what we now know as that model made by both Schilke and the poor man's Schilke a.k.a. Yamaha (remember, Schilke used to sell Yamaha's and they partnered up in the '70's, and then became Schilke "knock offs"). The original lines had a very well pronounced undercut on them with a cup depth that was more in between a Bach D/E...not overly shallow. The backbore, however, was a very tight "aa" which offered resistance yet still would produce a full, legit quality of sound. The 14A4a was originally made by Renold Schilke back in the mid 1960's for Forrest Buchtel, a Chicago-based player that played with Woody Herman, Buddy Rich, BS&T, Duke Ellington, Malo and worked in Vegas. The piece was originally put on the market around 1970.
OF course you can document all of this and point us to the cited sources? While Schilke changed hands the company has been in continuous operation with out any major interruptions. So why would Schilke just decide to up and change all the dimensions? I understand this sort of thing does happen but why? No one seems to mind that The Bach Strad Bb trumpet of today has nothing in common with it's Pre-Selmer sale Bach Strads. How do you figure Yamaha is a "poormans" anything? On top of that how does a reduction in price point equal poor materials, machining variations, or quality control.On top of that while many people own a 14A4a you seldom see anyone really playing them much it is for the most not very relevant to the market today or the sound. This is one of those cult following mouth pieces that seldom works for most of the people that own one! Even if everything you say is true it does not change anything since you can not buy the design you mentioned from Schilke or Yamaha. That essentially makes it trivia.
Is the Yamaha 14B4 a better option?
what do you suggest to buy/ use mpc for high volume for lead trumpeter???
The Harrelson 5MM set up to your preferences. www.whyharrelson.com
I use a 7g most of the time, I have no idea what that means but it works and plays well for me
right now im in marching band and a concert band and im debating to get a 3e, 14c4, and a 14b4 ( im on a 3c right now and i have a rang up to a double g)
Which one did you end up buying I'm curious since I have the same range
@@nihi4c174 I went with the 14c4 with a gold plated rim, it is really good, I'm also going to try to get a 3e for marching band
Me podrían ayudar por favor , me vendieron una boquilla YAMAHA JAPAN 15 , pero estuve buscando sus medidas y no pude encontrar ; y no se si es original .
I’ve used a shilke 14a4a since 1971.
Please, may you give us some information and a review about 14B4?
I did film a review on the 14B4. It is a slightly deeper version of this 14A4A mouthpiece.
@@harrelsontrumpets .... which sounds like what you conclude is an mouthpiece you'd really endorse. I got a Schilke 14A4A off the "sale table" at my local place, fortunately they're a Schilke dealer and I might pay new price for a 14B4
Is that mouthpiece available
Could you try to review a Yamaha 14a4a Gold plated mouthpiece? It says that it has a semi narrow backbore and not narrow even though it has the “a” in the name
The gold plated version is exactly the same as the silver 14A4a.
Harrelson Trumpets I was actually about to ask the same question. I think he’s referring to the gold rimmed heavyweight 14A4a-GP
It's exactly the same mouthpiece @@Drew-gn2tu
As a 17 year old (with lips on the smaller size), what high note mouthpiece would you suggest I try? I was borrowing my private teacher's Yamaha Japan TR11 for lead trumpet in jazz but had to give it back (it worked well for me). Because it was an older model, I couldn't find one to purchase (I also bought the newer model but it felt way different). My range is also pretty much capped at a high D at the moment. Thanks!
I do not recommend "high note" mouthpieces.
yamaha 14A4a vs Schilke 14A4a what is the difference???
I have them both and I want to tell you a "not true"story because its my experianse , I get the impression that the Schilke feels colder then the Yamaha or my other Bach mp. It costs more time to get the Schilke "warm" (in temperature). The sound of the Schilke bytes (briljant) more in the high but for a long concert I prefer the Yamaha (jazz - Realbook). In general , the Yamaha is mellower and the most players in de band prefer Schilke (excuse for my bad English)
Luis Ruperto not related at all. Yamaha it’s smaller than Schilke in Number (almost and always two numbers apart…), different shape cups, backbore it’s more open on Yamaha, Schilke have a longer Throat (identical Drill but different in length, probably because of the back bore). Yamaha Rim counter have more sharpe bit than Schilke, so, one semi flat and other more rounded. Yamaha have mellow sound and Schilke more zing sound.
Do you have any 17c trumpet mouthpiece?
Chubz Lich Yes
@@harrelsontrumpets would you be willing to sell a 17c mpc?
How much?
Im from the philippines so how much would the shipping cost me?
Do you have any specific recommendations for a beginner trumpet player with thin lips?
Have you found your high point? If not, give us a call at 303.657.2747 and we'll help you.
Didn't R. Schilke help design Yamaha trumpets ?
sweetpapajazz yes, to some extent this is true of early Yamaha instruments.
Do you think he helped developed the !4A4a ?
Yamaha just copied the design from Schilke @@sweetpapajazz
Cup width? .5675 inches = 14.41 mm. The Bach or Schilke catalog doesn't show any mouthpiece that small with a Bach 20C being listed at 15mm and a Schilke 5A4 at 15.84 mm or .624 inches. A Bach 3 is listed at 16.30 or .4617 inches. Are you sure about that measurement?
Mine 14a4a is exactly 16.70mm
How about you press some modeling clay in the cup to show the shape?
this will not help anyone
Yamaha is the best value
How is this mouthpiece compared to a Bobby shew?
I've have and have played both. The Bobby Shew Lead (I'm guessing that's the one you want to compare to) and the 14A4a by Yamaha are both very similar. The throat on the 14A4a is 3.65mm and the Bobby Shew Lead is 3.56mm, so a little tighter. The inner rim of the 14A4a is 16.68mm and the Lead is 16.54mm. I like the little smaller rim size of the Lead and the feeling of a little more compression I get from over the14A4a. That said, most of my time is spent on the Bobby Shew Jazz which is a completely different feeling mouthpiece. The review above is similar to my experience with the Lead. It is bright and sharp for me coming off of the Jazz. But it makes the upper register slotting much cleaner for me. And, the compression is better for me. Like all things concerning mouthpieces, your mileage may vary.
Horrible for anything below Middle C.
I don’t agree. The Yamaha 14b4 is more allround with a nice and comfortable sound but the 14a4a is a bit more bright but really alright for lower stuff too 🎶🎺
The 13B4, which I use, is kind of in between. Easy upper register and fairly solid below the staff.