The Problem With "The Afton Ending" | FNaF: Security Breach
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- čas přidán 14. 01. 2022
- Yeahhhh Security Breach has its problems, there's no denying that. But this is a pretty big problem that I haven't seen anyone commenting on (probably because most of SB's player base is new fans or old fans who skipped the later games.) So I'll be the one to do it.
Big thanks to our special guest Adam for helping me out with the script and being a jolly good lad.
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I think the biggest thing that's ruining this game is the censorship. Once I learnt that they censored dialogue that Gregory was bleeding I realised that we are never going to get any good lore, cause how the hell are they gonna tell the story of a child murderer when they can't even say "I'm bleeding"
Isn't Snoy great?
@@justice8718 what is snoy
I think the problem is the premise. Secure breach does not present itself in mature style that would allow a child bleeding, honestly the game looks kinda kiddy, the most any fnaf game has looked. FNaf usually has a darker more tense and hostile environment and theme, this doesn't have that and honestly its a shame, you can't even say its because were playing as a kid because we played as a kid in Fnaf 4 and Little Nightmares you only play as kids. If the game had a darker more mature premise then the whole Gregory bleeding thing could be left in and it would makes sense instead of having to censor it.
@@derrickdaniels3955 yeah Scott leaving I think has really just ruined this. I'm wondering if they had to tone all the plot down because of Sony?
I think if Scott played a bigger role here that'd we would've gotten a better story.
@@derrickdaniels3955 But Gregory is literally surrounded and trapped with child predators that accurately act like child predators. It's just bizarre.
My least favorite thing about the Afton ending is that it's just a HUGE slap to the face to the FNAF 6 ending. Not only did they bring back Afton, they brought ALL the animatronics that were put to rest in FNAF 6 back to life. In the form of a blob. So basically Henry and Michael died for literally nothing. They all survived so the fnaf 6 ending might as well have not happened
I mean if you want an easy answer
It’s fnaf
Most fnaf fans love springtrap/William
So of course they are gonna bring him back
I’m fine
I’m not a big baby for the lore
I’m just happy I get to play as gohan and play a free Roam fnaf game
Also my ps4 didn’t bug
Only run slow for a bit until the recent update
Where’s god of war ragnarok
None of the Souls are in that thing, we see the Marrionettes Tear streams are gone
@@erickamakeeaina1649 then why does it exist in the game??? Also there's no proof to that anyway
@@marshmellowguy586 Because the Blob is something new and is just collecting the Old animatronic suits
@@erickamakeeaina1649 proof?
This ending was horrendous. Afton is an amazing character, don’t get me wrong and despite how much I absolutely love his new character design in this game, it COMPLETELY ruins everything. Henry sacrificed himself to finally end all of it and only he ends up dying? Really? Could they have not just made Vanny the new villain carrying on Afton’s legacy? It would’ve worked WAY better in my opinion. Also, a bonus point, They made a whole ending with Afton and you don’t even interact with him. Like he’s not coming for you or anything. He literally just stands there and sends the exact same animatronics you’ve been running away from for the entire game after you. It’s embarrassing really, there’s no scary aspects within this game either, they clearly focused on the design WAYYYY too much.
Agreed.
You are completely missing the point like the guy is immortal and he did returned in fnaf help wanted a canon game to the franchise so you complaining about william coming back even tho the guy is supposed to be immortal is stupid and I’m not attacking your opinion but is obvios that william is immortal.
Edit: sorry for my grammar I just don’t speak English
@@RandomGuy-ht7dq No, you’re missing the point. I literally said he is immortal. The entire point of the comment was to say just how stupid that is.
@@RandomGuy-ht7dq "I was come back" is starting to get boring and overused, they need to let him fail, nobody wants a recurring villain that makes the plot impossible to grow
@@0rangeeige199 and with your argument I can see why you actually don’t like William coming back
The core problem is scope creep. They added more way beyond the scope of the original game and didn’t flesh out the story or the lore. Security breach could’ve worked as an episodic game instead of what we got. The afton ending raises more questions than answer questions raised between fnaf 6 and help wanted.
If this dude was burning in hell how tf did he escape? Does he just have get out of hell free cards or something
@@jimmiecutieballs6709 It's entirely possible that Afton didn't get sent to Hell but was kept alive by the Vengeful Spirit of Golden Freddy to torment him indefinitely until he somehow escaped their grasp. A lot of this is heavily implied in Ultimate Custom Night with supposed parallels to "The Man in 1280" in Fazbear Frights book.
Honestly, with the premise of the pizzaplex being closed for a "Few days of maintenance" and with how the game flows, it wouldn't surprise me if the *original* intention was to actually have it take place over several nights instead of the one! A more episodic approach could've worked better, and each hour/section feels like it could've been longer with its own night, like the whole intro with Gregory missing the doors right at midnight, up til the daycare could've been night 1, have Gregory fall asleep or pass out somehow (he is a kid, ya know?), then the start of night 2 could happen, and so forth!
it'd also give a good excuse as to why the bots get SO dirty and messed up (not counting what Gregory does obviously) throughout one night, them getting that scuffed might be more reasonable over a week long period as opposed to a night long ya know? unless the mop bots are really bad at cleaning lol
@@55minecraft The pizzaplex being closed for a week due to maintenance sounds like a good idea. I could never really vibe with the fact that the events of the game transpire over 1 night but I had a hard time justifying it going on for 5. Maybe this could work.
@@jimmiecutieballs6709 My theory is he didn't. His personality was imprinted onto storage devices, as indicated in Help Wanted, which got scanned and manifested themselves as the Glitchtrap computer virus. Later, Vanny/Vanessa finds Glitchtraps ruined old body and begins rebuilding it (probably the REAL reason Bonnie's gone from the Pizzaplex), and was still working on the reconstruction when Gregory's events took place. As for how Burntrap's moving, I think some replacement parts salvaged from the remains of Glamrock Bonnie, combined with uploading Glitchtrap into the partially rebuilt old suit is what's making that possible. There's really not enough organic matter left in that suit to animate it organically, so what's left of Springtrap Bonnie and William Afton's purely digital and mechanical now.
The ending had a lot of missed opprotunities, I was watching one of matpat's gtlives the other day and he mentioned a concept that I personally perfer over ANY of the endings. Over the course of the entire game you upgrade freddy (you have to get all of the upgrades for him in order to get the afton ending as well) and by the end of the game you give him claws by destroying monty, roxy's eyes, chica's voice box, and you can EVEN make his battery last longer, a build up of freddy being the bad guy, or possibly william afton himself. You literally make him unstoppable (ignoring that one scene where he's torn apart like he's some fricken lego set) That would've been much better than what we recieved, "oh hey springtraps back for some reason". Or not even that, KILL AFTON, GET RID OF HIM, MAKE VANNY A COPY-CAT KILLER, and stop beating a dead horse.
b-b-b-but he always comes back!!!!!!1111!!1!!!11!1!!!1!!!!!!!11!!!1!!!1!1!1!1!!!!
Honestly, Freddy’s voice lines after giving him Chica’s voice box and Roxy’s eyes kinda gave me the vibe that he WAS going to turn evil by the end of the game. Either getting hacked by Vanny or Posesssd by Glitchtrap. Then each of the endings not only failed to deliver but felt really abrupt and half baked. I don’t think Security Breach is bad, I just wish it did more with what it had set up.
Personally, i really hope Freddy doesn't turn into a bad guy. That would be like repeating what happened with Baby in sl, but this time it feels like it would hurt even worse. I love Freddy as he is, a good, caring animatronic who just wants to help this child get out alive, and safe. I think it's a good thing to have someone really be on our side for once. This is simply my opinion, i won't ask anyone to agree with it.
@@Bonniethebunny I do hope the idea is used in another game. Maybe we meet an endoskeleton who's on our side before betraying us in the end after receiving a major upgrade,like wheatly in portal 2.
I hope not every FNAF game becomes rise of Skywalker with a "somehow afton returned"
It’s not just the fact that vanny doesn’t appear at all in the Afton ending but the fact they BARELY USED HER! You rarely ever see her! Most they used her for is 3 endings! You know the ends of the game!
I really love Vanny such a shame they rather scrapped her in favor of William.
The only times u see her is after u get caught by Vanessa, when you put the disk in the third floor, and the chica boss fight. I wish the vanny meter was implemented because after you unlock free roam the game becomes too easy
you know what makes me the most mad about the whole 'gregory is the crying child and vanessa is elizabeth' theories? it's that they're probably right. maybe not entirely, but it's clear that steel wool wanted them to represent members of the afton family. and honestly that's so frustrating. it takes henry's sacrifice and essentially spits in his face, making it basically a really dramatic suicide. to me, that's this game's greatest fault. it took one of the best endings to come out of this franchise and said 'haha just kidding they're all back!' there were ways to bring afton back, too. one way i'd really like is if glitchtrap didn't exist at all, but rather vanny was a copycat killer. that keeps afton 'alive' in the story sense. he's gone, he's stuck in hell with cassidy, but the consequences of his crimes lives on. his _legacy_ lives on. to bring him back like this? it's honestly just insulting.
Yep, I thought Vanny would be a copycat killer of Afton but no, mindcontrolled lady that appears 3 times and Afton is still alive, sigh
FNaF lore has always shot itself in the foot in that way, SB is nothing new.
Currently manifesting myself into the timeline where THIS is the story instead. We were ROBBED
I personally wouldn't be surprised if a scrap scrap baby appears and mind controls her father as some sort of mecha to fight the blob. Then, scrap puppet, or scruppet, appears and wraps everyone in their strings, flies away, and explodes in the sun.
And I don't know what's more stupid, Vanessa, Gregory and Freddy being Afton's childs, or the gregbot theory, Gregory being a robot diminishes all his accomplishments
Afton's inclusion could have easily been explained if The Blob/Molten Freddy was revealed to be Golden Freddy trying to maintain control over the other souls who want to be free. They're the reason Afton's able to come back because they couldn't let their hatred of him go.
This gives William a chance to escape via Glitchtrap in Help Wanted and use Vanny as a lackey to kill enough children and use their remnant to put William back in control of his old body which was remade out of the burnt corpse of Henry. Gregory would have been the last child needed to bring William back.
Security Breach could have easily been about Golden Freddy finally letting go of their vengeful endeavor and wanting to fix their mistake of letting Afton come back. On top of Michael Afton possessing Glamrock Freddy to protect Gregory as a means of redemption to let go of his guilt for killing his brother in FNAF 4.
But no... It was far too good to be true, and what we got was just disappointing.
Now see I like this because it ties things up. We can still keep the core stuff that *was* good in Security Breach (which is Freddy and I think that's it), and add stuff that makes sense for the story. Plus it gives us a reason as to *why* Freddy is possessed, but also why everyone else would be after him? Like maybe the twist is that the other animatronics have personalities because of the other kid's souls, and with Gregory being the last he's expected to be Freddy. But if it's Michael, then the game could be about Michael remembering he's, well, Michael, and not a Rockstar bear man robot. It works better as a passing of the torch, if I'm honest.
Oh and I'd like to add, it makes the line at the end of the game where Freddy says something along the lines of "I am not me" more impactful, as it's him coming to terms with and realizing he's not Freddy.
@@bumblebot2458 I imagined so many unique and interesting character interactions. For example: Golden Freddy/Blob despising Michael due to him murdering his own brother and claiming he is still a killer just like his father.
Vanny having a better twist to incorporate that "double Vanessa" ending where there is a second Vanessa but it turns out to be Baby/Elizabeth Afton using an illusion disc to look like Vanessa and "playing pretend" to not rouse suspicion while the real Vanessa is trapped under Glitchtrap's influence.
This would open up a character interaction between Michael and his sister, Michael most likely trying to warn Elizabeth that their father is using her and that his love and approval isn't worth it.
Finally, I can imagine a more satisfying ending for William where he tries to exploit the hatred of his victims, wanting them to torture him once more until there is another window of opportunity to come back again. Only for Golden Freddy/Blob to say "no." There will be no second chances, everyone's souls will be released for good.
@Nam Gge It's why I wished Blob had Golden Freddy's head instead of Funtime Freddy, or at least half n half.
If Blob got more screentime I would have loved for there to be a scene where it is clear that Golden Freddy is trying to keep the other souls under control, with Charlie occasionally emerging, begging for everyone's souls to be free and for her to be reunited with her father.
Bruh your idea is genius. You should have wrote the story of this game. The game is a spit to the story in every single way!.
I agree that help wanted had potential, and I definitely was disappointed that Vanny wasn't just some copycat killer obsessed with the old stories from freddy fazbears. They had opportunities and they blew all of them.
I think Steel Wool had much bigger plans for SB, but had to cut them short due to time constraints and probably getting over budget (and they're a small studio with less then 12 developers during development of SB), so they had to patch what they had together and do the best they could with what they had. IMO they left the endings and lore open ended enough they can use DLCs, updates and sequels to fill in the stuff they ran out of time and money to use in the initial launch of SB and take it in many directions. They could have SB be the swan song for William Afton, with Glitchtrap and Vanny taking over as the antagonists for the next few games. Or they could have the Save Vanny ending be made cannon and have Gregory, Vanessa and Freddy be taking on Afton one last time to finally put an end to him once and for all, or a totally new enemy, this unnamed executive who forced Vanessa into a security position she was underqualified for and that the HR dept and building manager clearly didn't want her for. There's several options for what to do next.
I honestly thought glitchtrap as William was the only one to survive the fire and everyone pre ucn besides golden Freddy was smiling and happy in heaven. Or an ai version created through Williams agony from ucn.
@@thepandageneral Either way, Glitchtrap was stuck in disconnected drives in limbo until he was scanned into a connected and active system.
Egg
I think the perfect route they couldve taken with vanny is that she starts out as an obsessed copycat killer but then william comes back and helps guide her to make her better and it couldve been shown through out the span of a couple games/books or something where she ends as her own proper character with her own motives and ways of doing things and building robots that wouldve been seperate from william and properly fleshed out instead of just generic copy and paste blank slate that has no personality and just exists for merchandising
I was stuck at my Wendy’s for work, so I hade a grilled chicken sandwich. Also, you honestly have some good points and are very respectful of other opinions. Keep up the excellent work!
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This ending was bad from a storytelling perspective. We had an interesting new threat in Vanny, and instead of exploring that, the rug is pulled out from under us in favor of a “surprise” twist that was not really that surprising.
I am just ready to cleanse the games from the old animatronics permanently. No Afton, no Afton family (except maybe MAYBE Mrs. Afton), and none of the original victims. Just wipe the slate clean to start a new story. Explore Vanny. No one wants Afton.
Fact!!!!!!!
I'm tired of William always coming back, honestly. I pictured Vanny as a Harley Quinn ripoff when I saw the trailers, because it wouldn't be the first time, but she wasn't that, even! She was...an AI that got stuck on the top of the stairs and had an aura if she was near, which means nothing, because I can tell many games that use the same method. Vanny was overhyped, turned out to be absolutely nothing (or, was censored) the community created way better ideas/headcanons than the actual creators..sigh
@@stytchless7222 true
To be honest, Glitchtrap is a valid character. By having him controlling Vanny, we can have a change of murderers and also show that the original source of evil was not purged completely. The game could be about saving Vanny and quashing the last remnants of William Afton. You could have, say, Charlie, Cassidy and Michael come back and help Gregory along the way. CC's soul may be lying dormant in Gregory, causing Gregory to perceive glitchiness and so on...
But how did we get this idiocy?
William should no longer have a physical form after FNAF6; the existence of Burntrap means Elizabeth, Michael, Charlie and Henry all died for nothing. Then sole purpose of FNAF 6 was to rid Afton of a physical form and hope his soul would move on. If he is going to come back, at least not invalidate everyone's sacrifices.
The other problem is that the main villain does not even appear, and we instead have a 'bad boy' alligator, a 'depressed' wolf and a 'cookies UwU' chicken. One wonders if the executives at Sony were watching Gacha Club Mini Movies.
No wonder we can only joke about Gregory venting. You cannot have humour relevant to the game's substance when the game has no substance.
I'm still not all the way through Security Breach (watching a playthrough, haha) but my takeaway thus far has been that Steel Wool got REALLY too over-ambitious and didn't properly consider the scope of the game. I feel Security Breach has a lot of really cool concepts, key moments, and mechanics--but from an actual game design perspective, it's honestly what I'd expect from a fan-game and not a massive mainline title.
Hoping to see improvements and that Steel Wool learns from this mistake and considers project scope in the future. Also, FFS just let Afton die and have a new antagonist already.
(Btw, not done watching but loving the editing and narration thus far! Would love to see more content like this in the future, you did a great job with this video essay format.)
This game is literally made in two years and got rushed by Snoy.
@@justice8718 the game was slated for 2020 and released a full year later after it's original release window.
Sony made them release it because the game was horribly unfinished after a YEAR of delays.
It was really either they forced them to release it, or it might never release.
I think it'll be hard, but if Steel Wool is given the PROPER time they need for the DLC that Sony didn't give them when it comes to the main game, it's POSSIBLE to salvage the lore going forward. Maybe have Malhare and William be distanced. With Malhare being a copy, there's real potential for him to have a sort of inferiority complex to the original, wanting to outdo him and be seen as THE Afton. Maybe have the cult of Afton be a real thing that exists! It'd take a lot of writing, thinking, effort, and most of all time to pull it off, but now that it's just DLC that Sony likely won't be rushing, I'm hopeful that Steel Wool can fix the problems brought in by this terribly unfinished title.
I was thinking that maybe they should pull an “invasion of the body-snatchers” with Glitchtrap.
I love that idea for Malhare.
I’m sorry, malhare???
@@annoyingkittycat6449 Glitchtrap has many a name
@@indiemedley1209 he is actually called malhare in the files of vr, glitchtrap is the name adopted by the community from a unfinished odd springtrap model.
Well the issue was the fact that it contradicts the FNaF 6 ending entirely with Henry trapping everyone to end what was started. Somehow, Afton once again survives another burning.
in a 40+ year old springlock suit that somehow hasnt fallen apart yet
Because you know... he always comes back
Друг, это противоречит концовке FNaF 3, которая должна была стать концом истории. Сюжетно, FNaF мертв с SL, если не раньше.
I refuse to believe that burntraps body is Williams body. The reason why is by the ending of fnaf 6, you see that in the labyrinth the walls are closing in, as if the walls are crushing the animatronic to make sure they are dead. Williams body wasn't just burnt, It was burnt, crushed and was turned to ash.
Also, Williams body was bone because in fnaf 6, you can see his horribly designed skull. And remnant burns so if William burned in fnaf 6 (which he did) then he lost all his remnant meaning William Was officially dead. This also means that william possesses the suit, not lives in it. So in my opinion, burntrap makes 0 Sense whatsoever
Edit: If you have a few questions, then here's the answer for some of them: The reason why I said "meaning William Was officially Dead" is because the reason why William killed kids is because of remnant, basically the part in a humans soul that makes them live. Once removed they die. So william thought he could save his children by using remnant..but then he got remnant poisoning and probably turned purple. He also became immortal. That leads right to question 2:
How is William dead if he was immortal? The answer to that is because a way remnant can disappear is by burning. William lost some of his remnant but not all of it, then in fnaf 6 he lost all of it.
Hopefully this made you realise how stupid the Afton ending is
Exactly, if he was literally crushed to be paper thin there would have been no way for him to escape the fire, he loses his remnant, boom, dead finally forever. FNAF 6 was meant to tie up the entire plot, which it did until SB came along
@aya ! I will explain the purple thing
So I have a theory that gives a reason of why william was viewed as purple in the mini games.
The Remnant Theory is basically a theory that is about a "Medical Ilness" where if you have a larger amount of Remnant than others, your skin will turn purple, your hair would all fall out, your eyes would become black with white dots. Basically you would become 8 bit purple guy, the most iconic one. That's my miniature theory or idea
@aya ! thank you for liking mah theory
I think the only reason that Steel Wool designed the Blob (and yes that's his canon name) the way he is because of the appeal and popularity of Funtime Freddy within the FNaF community and thought it would be cool to model him after Funtime Freddy but Steel Wool either didn't know what they wanted to do with him in the story or where too overambitious with the project and included too much story ideas and concepts they were considering but ultimately had to drop them as they were running out of time for development and rushed it out the door for a Christmas release and that could explain why the narrative of the story is unfinished but ultimately I don't know what went on during the development cycle, writing process, optimization stage, and finalization stage of FNaF: Security Breach.
Molten Freddy is exactly that but done better
@@xspranp7649as one man said has does a mask decorode
I think that a cooler way of having Afton come back would have been through Glitchtrap, having him possess the glamrocks would have been much cooler then the real Afton surviving the fire. That could have led to an ending where Gregory has to find/ create an antivirus to remove him.
I dunno.. I think they should have just ended the series or maybe they could have focused on the nightmares? I dunno
If Gregbot is a thing we could have had an ending where Gregory enters the operating system of the animatronics and then we have to reach a certain area to destroy glitchtrap but we are blocked by him. then we here nowhere to run (the background music in Henry's speech) as we see the destroyed FNAF6 PC screen as an animation of Henry burning glitchtrap plays on it showing that where Afton has become a virus Henry has adapted to stop him by becoming the fire wall (shown through the animation of Henry sending a wall of fire towards glitchtrap) getting another grand speech where Henry makes a promise that every time Afton comes back Henry will be there to stop him and that their souls are bound so while Afton exists Henry is forced to wander the world to stop him (they should just remove the blob). However the way out of this now is to just make the Afton ending non cannon and go with Vanny being the new main antagonist of the franchise
@@timewarpdrive77 The nightmares aren't real, they were literally a nightmare of the crying child (the son of William) so I don't think is has more concept to put it in another game at least.
(Sorry for grammar mistakes)
@@NighttyDai Was that ever confirmed? I thought it was implied that they were something similar to the twisted ones or something..
@@timewarpdrive77 FNAF isn't the kind of series that ends. It exists as what I call "guilty pleasure" storytelling, or junk-food. It exists to continually satisfy a desire for complex lore and mystery, but not to enrich players: It doesn't have a grand plan, or a meaningful, thematic story-arc. It has no reason _to_ end.
CoD Zombies is the same way, for the same reasons. Same goes for Star Wars or Marvel, but those exist moreso to provide endless eye-candy action scenes.
honestly afton was done so bad to the point no one bothers to take him seriously anymore besides calling him "peepaw"
just leave the man dead, make it so vanny was just manipulating gregory into thinking she was under aftons control, when she was just purposefully following in his footsteps (because historically, people have tried to copy previous sociopaths. the colombine shootings for example)
yes 🙏 please
Don't get me wrong, I hate the afton ending so fucking much, but I'm pretty sure no one took Afton that serious to begin with. Like, remember everyone thought his name was Vincent? And they will draw him eating toast or something? Not to mention the "Jimmy Netroun" head with scraptrap? Just saying.
Does everyone remember how Scott essentially retired in the middle of SB’s development? Thats what happened to SB’s lore and why William is back and etc. Without Scott, there was nothing stopping Steelwool from making their own changes to the lore. I REFUSE to believe Scott was behind Security Breach’s lore, he made the Fnaf 6 ending for a reason. Oh yeah and the game was rushed because steelwool got to overconfident, realized they fucked up and rushed ti finish it before their deadline. P.S. Scott also had EVERYTHING set up for continuing the series from Fnaf 6, UCN, help wanted, special delivery and the books when he retired and steelwool fucked it up! Basically In Fnaf six everyone was supposed to be FREED in the fire, except William’s corpse survives as explained in the books because of an angry spirit torturing him, which is shown in UCN. Finally in help wanted, you literally witness Vanny being possessed by glitchtrap, which is willams freed soul possessing a V.R. Headset etc. When she IS possessed, you see her character slowly being teased and rise up in special delivery. Then you fill in the blanks on Vanny’s role and Willams role and how Scott set up a perfect story for SB, hence the early trailers and voice lines teasing Vanny being a ligament threat with a knife, Vannessa’s concern for Gregory and what he doesn’t understand and Freddy being way more cautious and stern. Scott was not retired yet, so the game had an actual plot and was under Scott’s judgement which led to an appealing story and smooth development.
Like if you agree
I am sorry to say,but Scott is confirmed to be behind at least a lot of Security Breaches lore.The Devs pretty much said it temselves and BurnTrap was teased before Scott retired.
@@bernardomiguelgamer5295 the only ending with 3 stars is the Princess quest ending. I genuinely believe that’s the cannon ending and that these other ones are just for fun or to look cool.
Considering all the contradictions he's done himself....
Unfortunately, can't say I believe this.
@@chaossmith3864
What now?
@@dylansharp8471 The lore throughout is already full of contradiction/retcons up to this point with stuff we know he directly did.
So I don't believe that it's impossible that he created more lore issues.
Security Breach legit came along and capped the great directionn of this series in the back of the head.
The fact that Steel Wool messed up this bad the second Scott left....woo boy. Makes me wonder if they ever understood this series, or did Scott just have so much control during Help Wanted that they couldn't mess it's up.
Hate to break it to ya but this was a thing before Scott left. Burntrap's arm was shown in a trailer that came out long before Scott announced his retirement, meaning he was already in the game and the decision was made under Scott's direction.
@@legoboy7107 but Scott probably was gonna do this better but Steel Wool fucked this ending worse than EA fucked PvZ
@@delfinner2212 they didn't
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@@delfinner2212 Most of the work was done before Scott left. At least two thirds of a game's development is usually done before the first trailers even get released. From there, it's mostly testing, fixes, optimizations, and polish.
My main issue with the afton ending is that it completely ignores everything security breach itself had been setting up to throw Afton in for shock value
This game isn't about him despite the past games building him up
And before you use the past games as an excuse- just shut up
People shouldn't have to play 8 other games to understand who the hell the main villain is of a new game
The game never even mentions his NAME
Granted fnaf 3 didn't either but it was in the teasers and all over the marketing and merch
Burntrap was only ever found out through file digging
The game itself had been building Vanny up as the big threat and the main antagonist for the game with no mentions of Afton yet in the "canon" ending she doesn't get any form of closure or proper explanation at all
There's no tease as to her current status or what she and afton were even actually doing there
Considering AR it seems easier to just put him in one of the new springtrap replicas rather than his old broken body
Hell even If he can only fully possess that body then why not fully repair it to be more deceiving to his true nature? Give him a new kid friendly appearance to make him be physically capable of gaining trust or even stepping outside without the police being called on sight due to his visible corpse
Honestly the Princess Quest ending is not only more fun to play through but is also more satisfying for the story being told in the game itself
Hell even with all of afton's build up from previous games it's still satisfying as you can just say that he still has tape girl or Jeremy
We never see their corpses, they aren't dead
If burntrap survived they did too
He also died...
not having to play the other games should not have to be the excuse after the character was supposed to have died in fnaf 6
Um I’m pretty sure if they saw him in the fnaf universe everyone and there Mother’s rabbit would know who the hell he is and would be piss there pants level of terrified of him
@@fedyfabuh3100 yeah what i meant was the adults would i didnt mean gregory kids probably dont know who he is
They basically gave Henry's sacrifice in FNAF 6 the middle finger.
Now Afton's basically a demon that won't ever die and keeps leaving and coming back like Team Rocket.
damn they could've at least have the Blob not exist, cuz that makes it worse
It's very clear they are going with the general slasher trope for afton, like how jason, chucky, michael, etc always comeback or survive the big finale to set up or show up in the next installment.
Which goes against what made William special as a killer in the first place. The fact that he wasn't the invincible serial killer or genius engineer he made himself out to be. He wasn't even really that scary. He's described in The Silver Eyes as being the most normal and intimidating looking someone can be. Which I think is genius characterization, as it takes the gameplay weakness of Springtrap (the fact that he had the least intimidating jumpscare in the series up to that point) and turns it into strong, memorable characterization. It's said that he kills as if trying to correct a disparity. He wants to be powerful, admired, feared, but he never truly can be. And he *hates* that. In a way he's just like most real serial killers; There's nothing really _wrong_ with him disorder-wise, but his petty entitlement motivates him to go after vulnerable people (children) to make himself feel more powerful without risking the possibility of his victims fighting back. And that realism is a large part of what makes him feel truly threatening in the book, though the real danger comes from the animatronics. And this characterization is never reversed in the books. Even after he comes back as Springtrap in the second book, The Twisted Ones, he actually gets weaker! He goes from being able to casually break a grown man's arm in The Silver Eyes to losing a straight fight to our protagonist Charlie without even getting a chance to put up a fight the moment he's without his backup (the titular Twisted Animatronics). The horror around him rarely ever came from him, it came from the monsters he made.
I’m saving this for when someone argues why Security Breach was good.
I personally think they should have just started the series over,left Scott’s games untouched and had a completely new start
I personally agree. and disagree, Security Breach is still salvageable, considering it's an all new start entirely, I think it would be fair not to judge FNaF's current state on the start of a new saga, although, Afton coming back is BS.
Yeah I found the afton ending really underwhelming it didn't really serve anything, "gameplay" at the end was boring a repetitive and it all just felt like fanservice that wasn't fun or exciting.
I and, I think, many others wanted to explore the character of vanny in this game but the most we got was just the princess quest stuff and the DVDs and all the vanny endings were really underwhelming since it was just done in some cheap comic style slideshow with very little build up being done in the game.
We only see vanny twice and she's meant to be the big time villain. Like, in fnaf 3 how spring trap is the main villain with the other phantoms being there to add tension, I think security breach should've done something like that Vanny is the main villain with the other glamrocks being there to add tension but that wasn't done.
Vanny was really underutilised and I feel like she was just pushed aside to fit this springtrap ending for empty fanservice and rememberrys
THANK YOU FOR PUTTING ALL MY THOUGHTS IN A COHESIVE MANNER
Seriously, I personally love Security Breach, but EVERY SINGLE GODDAMN ENDING PISSED ME OFF because NONE OF THEM (Save the Princess Quest ending, anyway) HAVE ANY FORESHADOWING (And somehow 8 BitRyan got the Princess Quest one first)
Please do english better
@@timewarpdrive77 That's a perfectly normal english sentence. "Save" in this context is just a synonym for "except".
@@timewarpdrive77 how? It’s perfect English.
@@timewarpdrive77 funny comment bc you’re the one with the incorrect grammar
I think the guy was referring to his grammar since I can see a few small issues. But those said issues are exceptionally minor. Just need two commas, and the "issue" disappears. Exceptionally minor, and how they were called out was exceptionally unnecessary. You're doing perfectly fine, Xander. 77 just has a stick up his ass.
I feel like this ending was a Scott mandate he tacked on while handing his notes over to Steel Wool.
William has ALWAYS been Scott's favorite character. The amount of narrative fixation, the fact that he gets full speeches and moments when other characters are usually kept silent, the fact that he is always validated by the plot- it's pretty obvious that he is the main character of FNAF. The problem is that this handicaps the narrative potential, because everything must always come back to and be about Afton.
Since this series is dipping heavily into "kid territory", im waiting for them to retcon the fact that william even killed kids in the first place.
Gonna be like "umm sorry guys but william actually cloned the kids souls or something and put them into the machines for no reason just because"
I personally think that Vanny should have just been a crazy player tester that wanted to replicate William's actions that were imitated in the vr game. She would have killed Jeremy in help wanted and would get her own "I always come back" storyline after the building burned down on top of her. Then Golden Freddy would in future installments be the only character to return to stop Vanny and end Afton's legacy alongside Gregory and Freddy.
I feel like burntrap is fine. I still like to think that Malhare is a cloned conscious of William that he somehow pulled off before getting sent to hell. Like, og William is still dead, even after UCN he still is just in hell. It would have been well executed if Malhare had a sort of fascination with OG Williams body. And his goal all along was to possess Williams dead corpse and keep doing what he was doing with a physical body. Then do the global threat idea. Honestly this game was just, ugh.
I agree, GLITCHTRAP is possessing William Afton's body because our good ol' male at the back of a massacre is ded, not big surprise.
I have a similar thought process. Although my ideal concept of Malhare is that his fascination of OG William extends to his need of being him, to put it lightly. In SB, there are bots that seem to represent the Afton family and I worked from it the idea that Malhare himself wants what William had, plus his need to survive like his predecessor did. So instead of his motivations being "heehee I'm gonna commit child murder again!" and eternal life (because let's face it: he already achieved this by being literal code), it's mostly an act of survival. To continue persisting and becoming better than William ever was.
Or something like that.
I'm glad someone else finally vocalized the criticism of *fans* calling this Afton ending the """canon""" ending. NOWHERE in the code does it say that and now it's caught fire as the labeled name. The 3 star ending is far better and more satisfying.
Based on past experiences of FNAF, I dread to think that bc of the fanbase, the Afton ending will be retrospectively made "the most canon" and other games will be built off of it into a sloppier and sloppier cake with Afton continuously coming back over and over again
Let's hope they make the next game where Afton ends up gone for good and is replaced by a new antagonist
They literally just could have made Vanny the Monaca to Afton's Junko, keep Afton's influence but retire the character
Very good analogy
You pointed out pretty much every problem I have with how they handled Afton in Security Breach. Glitchtrap had such potential. He was an interesting way to return the series villain without completely ruining Henry's sacrifice since he now no longer has a physical body to interact with the world, forcing him to rely on someone else to carry out his plans for him. There were so many ways they could have built on this concept and used to it explore both Afton as a character but also Vanny. Show how manipulative and controlling Afton really is. Instead they went for the most confusing and disappointing climax they could have gone for. What even was the point in Glitchtrap? Three years of build up wasted.
And even if one argues Burntrap is Afton repossessing his old body, why would Afton even _want_ to return to his decrepit, broken and weak corpse? The far more logical choice would be for him to make himself a new body from the dozens of animatronic bodies in the building!
I LOVE these people giving GOOD critics about security breach, becouse we know scott and and the dev team hear the comunity.
And i bet that fnaf into the madness will be SO GOOD thanks to these kinds of videos, so please continue, they need to know where they go wrong.
It feels like this game is trying to tell two different stories, one of which (the best one) being cut halfway through development and being replaced by a retcon of the entirety of fnaf 6's point full of more stupid human bots and afton returns
That story ended
We were going somewhere new where new fans could easily get into the game and then Steel Wool made the awful choice to scrap that and make everything into a crappy rip off of the book plots except they don't work here because the game that was advertised to us was the old version and we were never told we were gonna get this crappy regurgitation in the end
Went from a creepy 1980's ghost story with a child murdering psychopath working at a pizzeria. To this...
I mean, I get why people like this game than others since it's lighthearted and wholesome and all of that stuff, but what you said, how did we went from what you said to a scifi fever dream that feels like I'm watching more of a family friendly pixar movie while making it feel like I'm also playing a Nintendo game. Besides that, it feels so OFF-PUTTING if you compare Security Breach with the rest of FNAF , it literally looks and feels like it's not from the same franchise.
yeah the good part of security breach is a daycare character.
and then the daycare is basicly the most broken part game
It was definitely more about the scares than the gameplay
They shouldn't have brought William Afton back, period.
This series's reliance on Purple Guy is to its own detriment.
but william is cool
At this point, the whole game needs a complete revamp, from gameplay to story wise
the biggest gripe I have with the Afton ending is the utter lack of buildup to Afton escaping his digital prison back into the real world. Having hints toward him being present, in my opinion, is all we should've seen of Afton
just a glitching image of Glitchtrap/Malhare on one of the many monitors would've been a hell of a lot better
also, they could bring back the death quotes from UCN and have Vanny say something along the lines of "he will come back" or "he always comes back" as a slight hint and a nod
I feel like if "he always comes back" was slipped into a monologue subtly enough it couldve been a great hint but if you just make her say "he always comes back" it wouldve been way too obvious and it would just feel corny honestly
Burntrap is uh... I like the character, love the design. But it could have been executed much better, Burntrap being suggested in security breach and then coming as the main villain of the next game would have been cool. I think what makes him feel like he was shoved in was BLOB's existence. BLOB did NOT need to exist, burn trap getting his body back but with new powers, new modifications, and more damaged was a great idea to be glitch trap's goal before he did more stuff. But BLOB literally serves no purpose other than the game having a big boss man to meet the quota of William getting his face caved in each game he interacts with the player. Like what is the purpose of BLOB. It also makes so many plot holes with the characters inside the blob. Baby was scrap baby before. The puppet's materials would NOT have survived the fire as much as it did. Chica and Bonnie's bodies were chopped to pieces, also their eyes should NOT be glowing (referencing that their souls are still inside them) because they passed on way back in fnaf 3. I don't even KNOW why Mangle is there, they were decommissioned like the other toys and put in a box even before fnaf 3. Also the BLOB's face is a fully formed funtime Freddy head, when the only remnants of the head before were the scrambled mess with Molten Freddy.
I think when Scott said scrap trap was bad, Steel Wool just decided that ALL fnaf 6 designs were bad, and just, decided to redo everything.
Maybe Mangle was possessed like the original animatronics?
@@XD-yn6hb unlikely, the toy animatronics went haywire because of faulty criminal detection software.
@@turtleninja16tn66 That may be true with the others, but Mangle looks particularly unstable.
All in favor of removing burntrap and that entire ending from our brains and make the princess quest ending canon reply E
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Who else has an *entire* story mapped out in their heads, and just wanting to write it all to Steel Wool for them to fix it? *SO* much is missing and out of place, I tell ya.
Me and some buds are writing an improved lore
Yeah I pretty much agree… except I’m more willing to forgive SteelWool for doing this, despite the mess they still took the time to add in some nice little fan service here and there. This is their first outing with such a… unnecessarily large project, but after this video I subscribe to the “Sony rushed them” until something new contradicts that.
The only parts of Security Breach I care about: the style/aesthetic (I'm a sucker for this kinda look and adore the new designs), the stuff with Freddy & Gregory (found family is best trope and I love seeing people write stuff with them being family). Wait is that it...? Huh, I guess that's it.
yup same
Jibanyan!
@@anonymousdream9502 mhm 🙃
@@enzokalani favorite, and best yokai, imo
@@anonymousdream9502 not my #1, but he's awesome
Matt's voice sounds very good for GLITHTRAP, though I am kinda annoyed that PJ did not get asked to do the voice, even though they ended up not using it in the game, HOWEVER, maybe there was a good reason as to why PJ ended up not doing it. For example, he may have been busy with other projects.
Am I the only one who thinks the theory about Gregory being the crying child is stupid
you’re not
i also think it’s dumb
@@2BrosOfficialGaming RIGHT
It has at least some Evidence to it, but im surprised no one is Talking about the even more Stupid "Vanessa is Elizabeth" Like, Matpat is about to stop the SB Theories and he didnt even attempt to explain how this could even be possible
Even if there is some evidence to the theory it’s just stupid and despite me not wanting it to be real at all it does seem like something Scott would do.
didn't even know that theory existed and yes it's dumb
I think you all are doing exactly what Steel Wool intended through this. You are supposed to go "WHAT? HIM AGAIN??" in outrage. And there's two reasons for this. The first one is the Golden Freddy factor as mentioned in this video. Golden Freddy is keeping William alive trying to make his suffering last. But that is actually just empowering him ultimately. William is an overdone villain in the series because he is just that, an overdone villain. And you can blame Golden Freddy for that. They ruined the poetic springlocking. They ruined the fires of FNAF 3. They ruined the burning in Pizza Sim. The cycle of revenge is what is perpetuating the constant recurring threat of William Afton.
The second part is one that's been glossed over ever since Pizzaria Simulator. And it's from this quote "... nor have you been summoned by the individual you assume..." Who are they assuming would be calling them there? Who would be delivering a gift of children on a silver platter to murderous animatronics? And continuing from there, who exactly is running Fazbear Entertainment now? The company should have died decades ago yet someone chose to build the largest location to date on top of where Henry attempted to finish everything off. That same person appointed Vanessa to head of security despite her lacking any prior experience. That same person provided the circuit boards containing springtrap even though springtrap was actually still alive by that point. Whoever is running the place is the real villain of the story, not William nor Vanessa. And William Afton returning again was meant to both distract from, and signal that fact.
Damn, this is an extremely interesting perspective
I wish Afton continued to be malhare, taking over different peoples bodies and maybe animatronics too like that theory matpat made about the "cult of glitchtrap" I would have loved to see a plotline where we have no idea who's Afton and who isn't. And it's a race to eliminate every strand of glitchtrap's code before his influence becomes too grand. after all the ability to jump from one body to another is a form of immortality and immortality seems to be Afton's goal. so it would have been a wonderful concept. but I would also find it unfortunate that burntrap wouldn't have been used in that case. personally burntrap is more of a damaged Springtrap than scraptrap ever was so personally I would have loved to see that design In fnaf 6 instead
this was perfect, especially talking about the unused voice lines, and the... questionable theories
yOuR a RObOt gEgoRy!
The michael is possessing glamrock freddy theory isn't questionable its great you, drama josh and everyone in the comments are just overeacting.
You know your game is fucked when a single press of the spacebar can break your game and the lore you tried making original ends up falling back on old stuff and still fails. I mean, I'm honestly surprised there isn't a “how to fix FNAF SB” or Fixing FNAF SB” type video I can find yet, which is why I made my own list of things I would do to fix the game’s tonal problems, story unlogic, and generally what I think would help the game. I wish they had pushed this game back and that it wasn't changed/censored as much as it was. It could have been so much more with so much to say. Instead, it's going down in FNAF history as a buggy glitch-filled mess with a bad story that has no clear progression and didn't live up to the hype.
That comparison to The Fall of Skywalker is... mwah; perfection!
Though, I would add that the other two sequels do massive damage to their achievements through the sudden and complete resurrection of the empire (even down to the tie fighters, the not deathstar, the not palpatine, and the not vader)
I agree very hard that 'Malhare' is a far superior name to 'Glitchtrap'.
The one cool ideas I thought about the glitchtrap/malhare idea is one of an ex cop who failed his psych evaluation and became a play tester. While he had Afton in his mind he still kept his sense of justice becoming more of a Jacket type character who only murders gangs and or serial killers. Their father may of even been someone who lost a family member to Afton. So he even makes sure Afton in his own way cannot get Remnant only instead murdering those who deserve it.
Honestly that ending had to have been rushed. Like the trailer showed, THERE HAD TO BE OTHER PLANS!
I think that originally Afton was supposed to come back similarly to how we see, but it had to have originally been a much bigger fight or maybe no true fight to speak of.
I think a better ending, if they'd of taken their time, would be this:
We wake Afton up and take off into the rest of the pizzeria, which Glitchtrap/Malhare has now completely taken over since Roxy, Monty, and Chica are nearly out of commission. All technology in the building is under his control (this is taking into account the part of the trailer with Gregory in that security room with a wall of screens). So his boss fight to be the whole entire pizzaplex. We have to run around from recharge station to recharge station to keep him from taking control of Freddy, stay away from Vanny, all while slowly shutting down power around the pizzaplex ending at maybe the elevators that lead to the front doors. This is when Afton and Vanny would REALLY be after us, we cut the power so they have practically no upper hand. We have to find a new exit since the elevators to the front door aren't working, possibly even returning power to certain areas if there's no stairs. But we'd need to get power cut again quickly to keep Afton off our tail. Along the way we find some kind of item to set the place on fire. Depending on the route we take it could be a box of matches and a lighter, faulty wiring, etc. We get to one of the exits we check throughout the main game and a cutscene starts showing the animatronics moving to block the exit, Afton and Vanny catching up behind us. We use our picked up items to set the plex on fire and book it in a direction to lead them after us. After enough running, the pizzaplex is getting burned enough to trap Afton and Vanny so we can make a beeline for the nearest exit with Freddy. We get outside the pizzaplex and make a decision as to if Freddy goes with us or not.
We saw in the one ending that a car battery charged Freddy so maybe that could come into play? And just as a fan of the idea of the other animatronics escaping the fire, maybe we could have found all the others outside and free of Afton's control. This would include Roxy, Monty, and Chica obviously, but then maybe also DJMM, Sun/Moon, maybe even some of the staff bots? There's no way these animatronics wouldn't all have AI to tell them to get out of a burning building.
I also like to picture that, as a way to show they're maybe not done with Afton, or continue on with Vanny there could be one last cutscene. Two different variations depending on ingame actions.
1: Afton survives the fire through some technology based means if you didn't perform certain actions either in certain orders or at all? Vanny has managed to keep him around somehow on maybe a Fazwatch.
2: Afton is genuinely gone but not Vanny. She's still somewhat under Afton's influence, but not to a point where he's coming back. So she's out there. She's willing and planning to target more kids. Especially Gregory. If the pizzaplex is rebuilt with new safety precautions the cutscene ends with her returning to the new pizzaplex under the guise of being a night guard, a visitor, or some member of staff that would give her access to the pizzaplex again. She's so far gone now thanks to the influence of Afton that she takes up the mantle of the bunny suited figure that lures kids into the staff only areas.
Edit: I cut Molten out completely because I mean, come on. The fire would have turned him into a big decommissioned pile of unthreatening scraps! If we return to the pizzaplex again it seriously needs to be a lot darker! Like more kids have disappeared or something and the atmosphere as a whole be basically FNAF 1, 2, and aspects of 3 all over again in the open map. Maybe play as Gregory again who has kept the key cards which miraculously Fazbear Entertainment didn't change to new ones so he can go almost everywhere in this bigger and more unsettling pizzaplex.
I love seeing Afton in the games, he's been a great antagonist but we really need to see Vanny take over until she gets the same fate handed to her. Maybe it's a great chance for them to play with more things that are more from the books like remnant.
I was expecting this ending to be more of a Sister Location, rather than a Rise of Skywalker, ya know?
fnaf security breach had such a ripe take for a new antagonist, but they flushed out 90% of the cutscenes in the trailers and teasers and nearly 99% of vannys actual contribution to the game than just being a fucking spore so we could see our good ol' burned bunny man who likes stabbing kids
I agree with you wholeheartedly, the Afton ending makes absolutely zero sense in the grand scheme of things when it comes to the lore, but what really annoys me is the fact that when I started watching playthroughs of the game, (I don't own my own current gen console,) I really enjoyed it and then Afton shows up, it didn't ruin the rest of the game but it definitely wasn't needed and all it did was pad the games runtime.
Is Glitchtrap really the canonical name for Malhare? I thought it was just fanmade. Even if it is canon, it's a dumb name, I agree, and we should all use the Chad name of Malhare, or the legendary sort of canon name, Spring Bonnie Man, though I think we are unready for that.
I wouldn't mind Afton coming back.....again. If they actually foreshadowed him in the game.
Let's hope Scottgames creates the next game where Afton ends up gone for good and is replaced by a new antagonist...
Afton ending in a nutshell:
Springtrap gets revived In a can (who would have thought), tries to take over frede, fails miserably, everything burns down again (who would have thought) And ennard 3.0 takes him to Brazil
Personally, if you need to continue the fnaf story with the Afton family, here is how I would do it personally. We know the fates of everyone in the Afton family; everyone but Mrs. Afton. We straight up don’t know what happened to her, the closest thing we have is Vanessa’s therapy recordings and maaaaaaybe the existence of Ballora. But anyways, the fact we don’t know to much about her leaves room to make a story.
This is simple, but old woman Afton (or perhaps her spirit even) longs to see her children again, by any means necessary. She’s a woman that has fallen into an obsession to bring her children back, to bring them back and take back the time William took away from her and her children. Maybe to give her a more animatronic design she and William would have bonded over their love of robotics before getting married, but she has experience with robots. She tries to bring family back, and in doing so, she brings back the one person she never wanted to see again: William Afton. Yes, she can brought her children back, but also the one who took them away. It’s still a work in progress on my end, but it’s a start for something that I think is a LITTLE better than what we got.
Honestly I would've give Vanny the spotlight, like she always should've been, then use Burntrap's design in Pizzeria Sim
"Underdeveloped newbies who don't even know who they're fighting."
Makes me think of that ProZD skit.
"Lycanderoth is my BROTHER! Shouldn't I be in the party for this? Do you really need Chaddicus *AND* Braddicus!?"
"My sword has a gun on it."
"I don't even know who we're fighting!"
Just with FNAF characters lol.
Also the new Afton voice sounds like Solid Snake.
If Steel Wool continues the timeline, I do hope that Afton doesn’t return, but still plays a role in the narrative, i.e Afton himself doesn’t ‘always come back’, but the impact of his legacy does. I can imagine the idea that Molten Freddy was dormant until Afton returned, and even after killing Afton, Molten Freddy doesn’t die or rest, but escapes the burning pizzaplex and, not knowing that he’s already killed Afton, continues his search for him, all the while, Vanny is continuing Afton’s legacy, refusing to accept that he’s now permanently dead.
Could you imagine how 10/10 this game could have been if *Freddy was Afton?*. Vanny and Freddy work together to trick Gregory into furthering their goals, the other animatronics aren't trying to hurt you, but egging on from Freddy and Vanny keep you scared and avoiding them.
Then the ending could be Freddy and Vanny revealing the betrayal, and Gregory has to escape. Even though he makes it out okay, The baddies have total control of the Pizzaplex, setting up a sequel.
As someone who didn't start playing the games until recently, I found the pizzeria simulator ending to be such a conclusive and climatic finale.
Honestly, I hadn't realized how similar this situation was to what happened with star wars.
I mean, to be honest, I think they cornered themselves.
Interesting take
My headcanon is that everything UCN and before is its own story. Afton's story ends at Pizzeria simulator, only to have UCN be his personal hell, and everything afterwards is kind of like a "what if" scenario
I completely get the whole, "HOW IS PIZZA SIM LOCATION STANDING" they could have at least weathered it quite a bit. But you didnt mention how Glamrock Bonnie is gone, and Monty is set up to be framed. Monty is given claw upgrades that look an awful lot like burntraps claws(we know they are used to play the bass and bonnie was the old bass player). Now it is a theory(with obvious holes), but what if Monty is somehow tricked into decommissioning Bonnie, Vanny takes his endo down and tries to bring william back by uploading malhare into the endo. Now it doesnt explain the corpse you see in the endo, but you said it yourself, they dont care about designs when it comes to lore consistency. It would also explain why he needs charge, if he is a spirit, why? AND he is compatible with the charging station, an OLD OLD OLD endo wouldnt be compatible with that, right? THIS ALSO EXPLAINS WHY IT SEEM AS THO FREDDY IS BEING HACKED BY A VIRIS DURING THE BOSS FIGHT, aka, malhare. I rest my case.
Sucks that the trailer definitely made the game seem like it was gonna have a very interesting premise but ended up with a rushed buggy mess 😞 was so hype too. Won’t say I didn’t have any fun but was pretty disappointing
I wish, they kept afton as like a computer virus, maybe possessing the glarocks, helping vanny, but vanny being the overall antagonist, they had potential for a good ending and story but they butchered it
Bro
Malhare is absolutely a better name than glitchtrap
*Mwah, GENIUS
Just wanna say about the rooftop ending, I'm very much in agreement that the other Vanessa is a ghost considering how spirits/souls behave in this franchise
All they had to do to add Vanny is have her show up and tackle William out of excitement for finally meeting the person she’s been looking up to, unintentionally allowing Gregory and Freddy to escape, and for her, Afton, and Molten to die
This is even more stupid than the actual ending
How durable is William Afton?
-Survives getting springlocked
-Survives falling debris
-Survives two fires
-Somehow survives getting strangled by an amalgamation containing his past victims
What's next? A meteor crashes on him?
FIVE NIGHTS AT HELL
Freddy commits arson because there needed to be a fire to exit out the fire escape. Lo and behold, Freddy sets a fire so Gregory can leave.
1. There are countless other exits they could've used, arson-free.
2. That's not how emergency exits work?!?!
@@DramaJosh03 1. Fair point.
2. Freddy said that that was how they worked, that you A) needed to be a VIP and B) that the doors only opened in the case of a fire, when you try to leave through the fire escape.
Never mind, I'm wrong. He said "You're lucky there isn't a fire" not that there needed to be a fire. So yeah, there was 0 reason why Freddy commits arson.
@@Supernatural_er It's just a MIchael Afton thing to do.
Steel Wool:"So, ol' Willy here has somehow rematerialized a new corpse and suit and is back again. BUT, this time he has mind powers so he can start a cult and stuff. Now, we will use this for a whole bunch of --aaaaaaand he's gone"
I had a Terryaki Chicken Bowl last night, thanks for asking.
oh hey i did too
As a fnaf6 lover and speedrunner, the Afton ending single-handedly made me rate the game from 6/10 down to 2/10. Henry's monologue was way too good and way too iconic to just to throw aside for a "cool final boss". Like VR did it alright by suggesting it wasn't the man itself but a computer virus version of him and that's aight, VR has more than enough lore to back it and a coherent enough story for me to enjoy it. SB was so badly polished with such a confusing, nonsensical story that any chance that the Afton ending had at being mediocre immediately became a wet dream. Sorry for the rant, I just have very strong feelings for FFPS and SB.
TL; DR- Fnaf6 good, SB bad, VR decent
Edit- I should mention UCN and the Afton in Hospital book (can't remember the name but whatever) those fit within the story of FNAF enough and had a good story arc, bad man eternally punished, the last spirit to go unchecked is with him making sure he never can have peace. Pretty cool, 9/10 for UCN and Book.
2nd edit- Adding apostrophes around "cool final boss" not sure you can really call Afton that
Glitchtrap was ALWAYS the real William
We need 2 DLCs to fix the plot of SB. A prequel DLC first then a sequel DLC. Explain to me how and why Gregory got in the pizza plex without paying and how he got inside Freddy in the beginning. What truly was Aftons goal with Vanny. Is she a successor or another tool to get by another day to begin another murder spree. The question is why.
I genuinely think the princess quest minigames demonstrates how miraculously his creation glitchtrap helped him somehow to become more powerful and escape the hell technically. because apparently, the player in the PQMG is actually Cassisy, which makes sense because of old man consequences as the wizard as well. We also have a scene in the 2nd minigame or 3rd? where glitchtrap presents himself and it looks like it almost overpowers Cassidy's power.
I feel like the only way they could fix the lore is, and I know they won't do this, by making Security Breach non-canon
I don 't consider this ending cannon. I don't even wanna pretend like Afton and the blob aren't completely stupid auditions to the lore. Nope as far as I'm concerned that whole ending and everything leading up to it is not cannon.
someone that finally looked into that "canon" ending
also somehow funtime faces ended there despite molten freddy having none of them somehow
and the freddy face was a white mask scavenged on fnaf 6 yet he have the funtime face?
William Afton’s conscious is part of the chip they used in Help Wanted. Vanessa is a play tester who became Vanny because Glitchtrap is William’s conscious in glitch form. Vanny used that conscious to put William back into his body
I'll be honest, I kinda like the recast, it helps establish glitchtrap/malhare as a separate entity, unfortunately we don't know wether this is cannonically real William afton back from hell, malhare or both
When help wanted came out and introduced Malhare/Glitchtrap, I was practically PRAYING that he was a sentient virus who THINKS he’s Afton and not the real deal.
Tbh this franchise is doomed, like if the story direction's going in the very lazy, unoriginal and unappealing route like this, then it will be gone in no time. I pray to God with every fibers in my heart that maybe Steelwool is better than this, maybe Vanny isn't Vanessa and so much is being at played here, and we just don't know it yet...but it slowly looking like this is not the case. Also SB really contradicted with AR, that Vanny doesn't have a rainbow streak when stripped off her mask, like???? If SB cannot get that right, then what can it get right???? Like consistency is dead, Freddy also went from passive to comitting arson and murdering Vanny in one ending. Imma just continue to grasping at straws for the Vanessa isn't Vanny theory so my hopes for this series can stay alive, like it hopefully will
The "rainbow hair" is confirmed later to be extentions tho.
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(Lemme be honest with you, I don't have Fnaf AR and I only hear it from my friends. Which renforces my points is that kind of storytelling is shitty because they expect for you to know all of those about Vanny in Fnaf AR. But they never said about it in SB, like the fact they just expected to know kids are going missing in SB without actually address it)
Ngl to you William is actually starting to seem more and more like Chucky, like let's just look at it carfully, they where both humans at some point but then died and got their souls trapped within inanimate things which at some point where completely new, and the over the years of games/movies being released their inanimate thing became more and more broken down and then a new part of the series comes back and they look brand new and fresh.
"You were meant to save the lore not destroy it"
Steel wool: "I had to!"
Somebody on Reddit suggested that Afton posses the Blob and take his princess quest form, I think that would be an interesting direction to go.
FNAF 3: All right, so his body is possessing the animatronic, just as his victims are, and he managed to get out of the blazing building.
FNAF 6: Ah, so Henry lured William here... To finally put an end to him for good.
Help Wanted: Uhh... Well, he did experiment with remnant, maybe he could've figured out how to upload his consciousness to a computer? He would've had to do it before the events of FNAF 6 though...as surely then he dies...right?
SB: ok, how is this mf not dead
My theory about afton coming back is glitchtrap told vanny to find the old springtrap suit, and had vanny collect remenant from the missing children, she built afton a new suit out of glamrock bonnie and springtrap, put it in the recharge station with the remenant, and created this version of springtrap.
its now my head cannon that fnaf sb is just and alternate universe where fnaf 6 dosn't matter.
William Afton is the equivalent of Aunt May in Spiderman, even death, we brought him back to life to be able to continue making (comics) games even if it meant spitting on the lesson and the history of ancient (comics) games.
Like, Afton chose another corpse in a bunny suit rather than something more powerfull or creative. At least have him rebirth in a meaningful way
Also Heywood recently did something with nfts also William having a new voice signifies him being rebirthed in a way like never before (also RIP Mathew Curtis, wish your voicelines were in the game)
Literally almost everything about the true ending would be fixed if Molten Freddy was instead Golden Freddy.
Wow how hav I not found you like for real dude you are so underrated!! Like ur mic quality is so good like how pros are and the your script is just mwuh
Lets not pretend FNaFth 8THHHHH entry hasn't become a parody of itself looong before ever entry 5 came out