Is this the new SUPER PASTE for PCs?!
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- Today we try out a product that is nearly 3 times the transfer rate of traditional thermal paste! But was it worth it?!
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i see the little boss and who really runs the shop is behind you working hard lol
my humor is so dark, i cant make a joke here.
I have a quick question and I can’t seem to find a straight answer to I have a 360 Corsair aio will it hurt to run it a 100 percent pump speed at all times ?
@@lonewolfrcs1331 I have my ek 360 running 100% all times and it's fine
@@lonewolfrcs1331 why're you trying to run 100% all the time?
Lmao Spot on!
The "veins" You see are created from the suction force that's generated when you pull the cooler off of the CPU. If you were to use a clear piece of plexi to push down on the CPU with that same grease you would see no veins until you pulled it back off again.
Exactly was thinking the same thing 😄👍
More than likely.
I think Jay is starting to lose his mind tbh
The main point was to show how prominent they are compared to your typical thermal paste, normal thermal paste will show veins nowhere near to the degree this one did
@@fabiokinolli You're not wrong about the veins being more prominent because of the grease being thinner but I don't think that was the main point he was trying to make. He mentioned that he thinks they show up based on high/low spots but I believe it's purely due to suction/vacuum force when removing.
Jay, that paste will only conduct heat well after it dries. You must "cook it" first in situ (meaning already applied and everything mounted). It must resemble those flakes that came of the tube when you tried to apply it the first time.
I have used it before while repairing coffee machines. It is used as interface between the resistance and the boiler.
So, you should apply it and either let it dry naturally (which can take months) or crank that CPU for a few days.
One important thing is that, if you remove the cooler, you must clean the paste and reapply otherwise the cooler will not seat properly and the heat will not transfer as effectively because the dried paste breaks very easily.
I wonder if delidding and baking it onto the lid would work ? You would probably want to leave it a little tacky.
I guess on paper it has a better conductivity, but only in the right use case which this is not.
A CPU us not supposed to get as to the point where this paste is supposed to be operated at.
Maybe it would be good for some MOSFETs but little more.
That's a nope for computer application.
@@timhartherz5652 True, but also at least it'll be non-conductive at Intel-spec in anything they made the past decade. Or Apple spec from anything in the past 20 years.
@@kloroformd "Within specs" for these companies mean "will survive the mandatory warranty period" :-D
@@timhartherz5652 if not, they'll polish a used item for ya. There's probably an arbitration clause embedded in the firmware for those that want to argue.
"I'm glad she's wearing headphones back there" lol
I seriously doubt anyone in Jay's life is unaware his humor is sometimes that of a 14/yo boy.
Honestly, even if it is sound canceling she probably can still hear some of it you can also see this when she turns her head, she is picking up some of the sounds.
JayzTwoNSFW
headphones != sound proof
She will see it on youtube.
Der8auer had a video some time ago, I believe with Steve from GN were they discussed thermal conductivity and why thermal grizzly and others have gone away from the W/mK values. There's no Industry Standard on how to measure that. Basically, the hotter the heater the thermal interface is tested with, the higher the thermal conductivity in W/mK
facts
Is it really Watts per meter Kelvin? As an engineer, when I see units written like that my brain goes milli-Kelvin.
The devil is in the details.
The problem is that the material with the headline conductivity (be it silver, graphene, or Boron Nitride) is usually only ONE of the ingredients making up the paste. The ratio of high conductivity material to the carrier matrix makes it a lottery whether the compound will be good or bad at heat transfer. For example, a TIM with 1% silver and 99% insulating mush will be next to useless, where something with 99% silver and 1% mush will be almost as conductive as pure silver. Kinda obvious and intuitive, but finding out the % ingredients in any TIM is next to impossible, because they are "closely guarded trade secrets". Field testing to determine what works and what does not, is the only way to sort wheat from chaff. And we have to ignore the headline conductivity of the buzz-making ingredient because it gets swamped by all the other stuff going on.
The burger analogy (with all the layers) further subdivides within the paste layer, where heat is mostly moving through the "solvent" (the material that glues all the particles together) but can use the high conductivity particles to "short circuit" across the higher resistance matrix. Again, the percentage of high conductivity material greatly influences the conductivity of the composite, including whether the particles of the high conductivity material actually touch each other (allowing a more continuous path of highly conductive material through the compound). It is never that simple, though, with factors like surface roughness of the particles (and even whether the particle surface has oxidised, adding a layer of resistance to the surface, etc) all affecting the score. The only effective way to measure whether the TIM works, is a real-life test like this one. Good developers will experiment with their product ingredients to find an "optimal" composition. Which may or may not include a necessary process of installation (like "cooking" the Boron Nitride paste before it works properly).
Graphene is an outlier here, since it is "pure carbon". But it equally misleads, because the very high conductivity of a graphene sheet is ONLY "in the plane of the graphene". Unlike most materials which offer the same value of conductivity in all directions, graphene is extremely directional - because a graphene sheet is only one atom thick. What is marketed as "graphene" is actually a very thick stack of multiple graphene sheets to form a paper.
When multiple layers of graphene are stacked together to make a TIM, then heat has to travel from layer to layer, and the conductivity of that assembly is very much less than the in-plane number (I'd estimate only about 10% of the in-plane value). So why does graphene paper work well as as TIM? Because, heat enters from the heat spreader at a few very local hot spots. The graphene can then spread that heat about the in-plane area extremely well, using that high conductivity. The less effective layer-to-layer transfer is then mitigated, because it can use ALL of the contact area for that transfer. With most (non-directional conductivity) TIMs, there is no diffusion of heat within the layer - heat spreads from the source hotspot in a spherical manner, which barely increases the area of transfer at all, before the heat is already passed through the thickness into the cooler.
@@mastersprite2783 Lol. Yeah, you're technically right about "mK".
The definitive proof otherwise is that if you do Dimensional Analysis of what the number is made up of, you get "heat energy per unit of distance per degree of temperature". If it was indeed milliKelvin, then the distance unit would be missing.
@@bythelee actually it's not how graphene thermal pad is made, at least not Kryosheet from derbauer. He explained it in one of the video.
The graphene sheets are stacked and baked together into a thick block and then it's sliced from the sides into a thin sheets, so the graphene planes are actually perpendicular to the surface of cooler coldplate and CPU.
This is interesting, but would be nice if jay would leave the paste dry out as is mentioned in manual. You should do the 10 minutes test, but you only tested it in wet condition. " The paste is aqueous, so the water carrier must evaporate before the compound becomes an electrical insulator. Paste bridging a temperature sensor’s lead wires will affect the sensor’s measurements while the paste remains wet. Dry the paste by allowing it to set overnight, or to save time, heat it to a temperature of 90°C for ten minutes. The paste will dry completely, and temperature measurements will return to normal upon first use of the hotend.
Avoid exceeding 100°C while drying, to keep the water from boiling and ejecting the paste with steam."
RTFM Jay, not long enough with nowhere for the water to go. This isn't as bad, but don't be Linus with Billet Labs because of impatience and not wanting to go through the hassle.
Not to mention that, IMO, he put WAY too much on the CPU. The best conductivity would be metal to metal, but since the metals aren't perfectly smooth, there are, as Jay noted, "voids" and non-contact points (due to the CPU/cooler not being perfectly flat) and there needs to be a minimal conductive paste bridging those gaps.
As you noted, water isn't the best temperature conductor (only 0.6089 w/mK - Wikipedia), so it would need to be evaporated before the thermal paste would perform its best. So, yeah, I'd like to see this test repeated. Especially, since it doesn't seem to be being used in an optimum manner in this test.
Anyway, my "$.02"...
@@Revan_7even Good news is he's not naming companies. This is an example of how preconceived bias can result in a flawed test. In this case it's a reasonable, "The product was not designed for this application."
Slice Engineering does 3D printing stuff BUT in that application there is usually not the pressure that PC coolers have. the layer might be thicker and doesn't spread out as much. layer thickness is much more important that the heat condusctivity. we are all good off using the products that are application appropriate.
Just an FYI, this shit once set in, creates almost permanent bond between IHS and a cooler.
perfect for AM4 CPUs it seems :P
5 minutes test at 90C is not nearly enough to cure it. Not a representative test.
Edit: It wasn't used in design specs :/
@@IcecalGamer It dries naturally over time. Not that the IHS sits at 90C when the CPU is at such temperature, you need ZERO cooling for the IHS to reach this temperature. Else it's impossible to even come close to 70C.
@Timmy_420 Do you realise, that the iGPU is in the silicon die, that also houses main cores? You'd be at >constant< 80+C with an IHS of 60C.
what no it doesn't it's not an epoxy. I use this stuff all the time on 3d printers at 220c+ everything separates easily. I think you may be thinking of a thermal epoxy.
What does your dad do all day ? She said : He watch a picture of a kitchen draw on his monitor.
more like a knook
Not a kitchen
@@Rockr69747 nook?
Hey Jay,
Hope things are going well healthwise! Praying for you to get back in full force again soon.
Man this was just a lot of fun to watch. Thanks for being you Jay!
glad to see you doing good , your kid is lovely , great video as always
These are the best videos: educative, informative and funny.
I love how after Jay dropped the kryonaut he began using past tense to refer to it. "Welp that's under the desk now which we all know is the darkest of dark voids, yes it existed once but no more."
We need more testing on this. 🔥
Jay.. you and Steve are such AWESOME representatives for the tech community... We are blessed to have you (and your amazing crew) and Steve + his crew!! All you all rock always and in all y'all do.. All the time!! Praying for your health and the fam and crew as well!!
Usually even more important is how a substance will fill voids without trapping tiny pockets of air as your put the cooler down. The main challenge of PC cooling is that air, not the thermal conductivity of the medium, since to just get it highly conductive is easy in comparison to, making something that will fill every pore and microscopic void and expell any air.
jay & team, YOU GUYS ROOOOCK! glhf my friends!!!
I love the humor in your vids so much. The spontanous / situational comedy moments are the gold next to the interesting information and insights.
This was a great video Props to the viewer Nick
As you said about the conductivity, and its intended application, that TIM is probably best for applications that will regularly be maintaining temperatures well in excess of 100°C, unlike a CPU.
Luv the look she shoots at you
I'm not supposed to let this out but that stuff is an additive to thermal paste and if you use it in a 1:5 ratio it will enhance any thing like kpx tgx etc. It beats anything by 5% fresh, you see about a 10% lift in cooling on older paste.
Note: LD 50 for Boric Nitride is 2g/kg.
Boron perked my ears, because we had 10 mg tube of different Boron based paste back in the 90s and it had potential lethality of killing whole engineering team. Luckily I casually mentioned that it seems to be highly toxic and our OSHA rep was in the ear distance. It was planned to be applied by fingers and glove usage standards were not the best back then. Apparently there was quite a back and worth and we eventually used the paste during prototyping (paste kept il a locked container, only trained personell using it and health advisory to anyone opening the device), but it was phased out to a more safe RF shielding paste.
*Oh, yes. Your story has the familiar defense electronics vibe, including the always-present OSHA rep. Mostly degree-flexing, annoying and intrusive, but priceless in this instance. Echoes of finding the ways to mill Beryllium MMW TWT cavities without killing the machinists in the process. Respect!*
As a pc builder and laptop repairer i would love to see the same sort of test done on a large range of the thermal pastes that are out there are the moment. My go to is the Arctic Silver and Noctua H1 but i have no comparisons as its always a new build or repair. The Arctic and H1 are "said" to be in the more premium range but not at the top price range. They both spread nicely unlike say Corsair XTM50 which is like a clay. Deepcool's that comes with AIO's spreads well but again no comparison. Maybe this could also include the new Thermal Grizzly KryoSheet. Hope your health is under control and keep up the good work guys.
I personally used the Slice paste for my Slice Engineering Magnum+ that would regularly hit 300c for high flow rates and high temp materials; long story short it worked very well… interesting to see how it would work on PCs as that was something I was curious about. Thanks, Jay & the team!
Jay explained it already in the passt but:
W/mK=(W / m^2) / (K/m)
Basically how much power per unit surface per Temperature gradient you get. Double the surface, double the power. Double the gradient, double the power. You can double the gradient by doubling the Temperature difference or halving the distance (usually the thickness).
Uh oh, Jay"s talkin about crystals now! Astrology is up next!😂
So from what I know, you are kinda correct with 'thickness' (viscosity really), which is part of the deal here. That's why Noctua's paste has lower conductivity on paper but performs on par with other flagship products. There are other things to look at - conductivity might change with the temp the paste is at (some materials will conduct better when cold or better when hot). On top of that, as you mentioned - it's a paste, it has particles in it and the depending on how it behaves, it can have different conductivity in different directions (dimensions). And I'm just scratching the surface here on what's really going on...
Could we get a part 2 where you mix the Boron Nitride Paste and Thermal Grizzly
Well, that was cool. Learned some stuff. ✌️
I still would love to see a compilation of all the funny moments of the last years, plus outtakes.
Been using GD900 from AliExpress for years...which costs $6 for a 30g syringe. Works great and costs pennies on the dollar relative to big name brands. I use it on both the CPU and the GPU, without any issues across the 4 PC's in my house. I do try to change out thermal paste once a year...as a matter of routine...not because temperatures started to rise around that timeframe.
Most of the paste is supposed to be pushed out. You don't want any thickness. You want as much of the IHS and cooler plate to actually touch, with the paste only existing in the areas that will not touch because of microscopic deviations from absolutely flat surfaces.
If you do that then you will get voids as the paste shrinks. The spec is usually one or two mils
That is what I always thought but I had problems with Thermagic ZF-12 because of how thin it was. It works fine at first but then it squishes to the sides and temps start to get awful again.
@@hmello3250 there is a happy medium. If the paste is very thin then it runs out of the areas that it's supposed to be filling. Essentially leaving airspace in between the two surfaces. I guess I've just never run into one that's that thin.
@@shanent5793 any proof of this? I've never heard of this, or any effects from this, if it happens. The guy you're responding to is right with some of what he is saying. You want to remove the air, using the thermal paste. So more is better (unless it's conductive). . Also, application is cold / room temp. From there it gets warm and it's viscosity increases, so the volume expants . Even when that contracts, I don't see it creating voids, it's not "slime" or playdoh.
@@zadekeys2194 I think it's common knowledge that thermal paste dries out and has to be replaced periodically. This is done because the oil component of the thermal paste evaporates, leaving behind grains of filler that have only point contact with each other and is thus a less efficient thermal conductor. So even if you managed to machine the surfaces of the heat spreader and cooler optically flat, and you put the perfect amount of paste so that all the points that can touch, do touch, and the paste only fills in the remaining voids-soon enough some of that oil will evaporate and it will no longer be the perfect amount. By putting more than the minimal amount it allows some reserve capacity between refreshes. There is a trade off between getting the lowest possible thermal resistance and a longer service life. Putting more paste increases the resistance but there will be more time until it has to be replaced. You can put less if you accept having to replace it more often. The specification of one or two mils (0.02-0.05 mm) is usually given by electronic component and thermal solution vendors
i tried diamond powder a mix, this also works better than expected.
Great video as always, hope you are doing well. Could you do these tests also on X3D chips from AMD, so we can see how it does with those cpu's. Thanks for your hard work on these video's.
Dude, imagine how cool this being your Bring Your Kid To Work day would be. You get to hang out with your parent AND play games all day. Hell yeah.
Yeah, no. If I want to game, I don’t want my parents around. As a parent you give them space and especially once they’re in their teenage years and going into adults too.
@@duskshadow25 Hard disagree. His youngest is like 9. Some supervision when gaming online at that age is a good thing. I say that as someone who was playing GTA Vice City unsupervised when it came out at age 5.
@@duskshadow25well that sounds like you’re obviously doing or saying something you shouldn’t and don’t want your parents to know
It's more like bring your kid to work week. Probably spring break for them. 😮
@@RubyRoks I'm not talking about kids age. I'm talking about teenage, hence why I said "teenage years" in the original comment. If you have a child let's say 13 or under, then yeah, I would be paying a bit more attention on the games they're playing. But if they're in high school already, I would generally leave them along and try not to pry into their lives unless they approach you for advise specifically.
When I went through high school as a teenager, I personally didn't like people budging into my own business. There's a thing call space and privacy, and it's one of those things I give people because I wouldn't want others to keep invading my own space and privacy. It has nothing to do about hiding something, but it has to do with letting your kids go and letting them grow and giving that room for them to decide what they want to do. And whatever they decide on, they need to understand there's a consequence to their actions. That's why I talk to them, instead of just pushing my own perspective onto them, as they get older.
When your children are young, as in pre-teenage year, you can pay a bit more attention and deicide for them if they're struggling, but it's not like you can't communicate with them. I would still speak to them ask what they want to do, just like how you would communicate in your marriage. I personally don't think there's only one way to do something. Just like 1+1=2, 4-2=2 & 4/2=2 as well and so on. That's why you communicate.
The the whole point of parenting isn't to force your perspective onto them but it's to give them the time and space to think for themselves. If they fall, don't pick them up (obviously talking about they can think for themselves already and not as a baby that can't even walk yet). Let themselves get up and figure it out. If they cry, that's fine. But it's gonna be okay and they'll move forward, because the sun will still rise and set tomorrow. Set them up for reality and success, not over shelter them with your own views. Because if you're overprotective of your kids and control everything they do, you're only going to push them away further.
Something I can tell you is that, my parents were religious growing up. The praying never made sense to me growing up. But they gave me the freedom to choose what I wanted to do and decide my own path instead of them pushing their religious view onto me. I'm not a religious person like they are, but I still have good relationship with my parents because it's perfectly okay to disagree on something and still coexist.
So many times I see parents force their views onto their kids and force them to believe in something just because that's way they believe or were raised to be. And people just blindly follow it and accept those beliefs without questioning or figuring out if it's actually right for themselves.
I use Prolima PK-3 for thermal paste works really well.
Honestly these mad scientist sort of experiment videos are the best! Even if it fails, still a good ride
The calculations for W/mK depends on a lot of factors and are easy to fudge to get a number that looks great but doesn't apply to PCs. Things like the temperature difference between the heat source and cooler out the thickness of the thermal interface material can make it very wildly. This stuff may work extremely well in its intended application but less so in PC cooling. In any case, glad you tested it, it's always nice to see things tested in different ways by different people.
As others have noted, the temperature it's tested at is a key factor. Given this is designed for 3D printing, it was likely tested at 200+C. So, twice the temp!
Evaporate it a little before applying it to increase thiccness if that is a concern.
However I think the reason its not ideal is that it isnt as smooth, most of the thermal transfer in the socket is metal on metal. The paste is there to full out the remaining gaps but if the past is grainy it might even reduce the metal on metal contact.
The biggest predictor of a TIM's performance is minimum particle size, not thermal conductivity. Smaller particles, or fully liquid TIMs both allow for the filling of smaller imperfections but also reduce the distance between the IHS and the heatsink, which itself helps thermal transfer.
@JayzTwo can you do a video of which thermal pads/paste is best for intel laptops? Also covering thickness if use pads please.
Noctua doesn't share its thermal conductivity on their products because the measure can be affected by several variables, that could lead to unrealistic results.
Oh hell yeah 3:09 love the overlay!
Hello Jay, might you please share with us your overclocking settings on that i9 13900k ? I also have z690 rog ASUS MB like you, and since that video where you talked about Intel vs ASUS cpu limits it’s all bit hazy, you stopped the video before you overclocked the CPU with Intel limiters. Thank you, and nice vid as always.
I had Arctic Silver on my old 4770k for 8yrs before i decided to redo it for fun, Was rebuilding soon after anyway, Only 4 or 5c difference on Intel burn test or Cinebench. 86c down to 81c max, Faired pretty well for all that time, 7700x now with Grizzly.
Little Jay the boss in the background 😂 making sure you're reading the script right?
great showcase
A long time ago Vince did perform essentially a viscosity test. They called it film strength back then, but as I recall the other dude involved did state that a specific range of film strength does make a difference. While they were chasing literally 2 or 3 degrees... It still made a difference! Great video dudes! And hi to yer CEO, I mean daughter! Lol!
Indeed that thermal loss between the heat spreader and the AIO. I have the H150i on my r7 7700x and its 31.7 on the coolant but 61 CPU using KryoSheet. However it holds at 93 on the ADA64 stress test down from 95 with the Corsair stock AIO paste.
Doing it the other way around and using PC grade thermal paste on your 3d printer can work (make sure it's good up to your printing temp plus a fair margin (10-20%) rather well. especially if you have issues with heat creep. Did that when changing out a nozzle once (from the same batch of .4's) because of clog. PLA and PETG all printed a smidge nicer on long prints after that.
Are you down with the thickness?!?! OOOOOOOO-AH-HA-AH-HA-AH-HA-AH
Talking about things being really high. I went to crawl under my table to grab the grizzly paste as you dropped it
I just started using ptm7950 on everything since it's easy, lasts like forever, doesn't pump out, and get close to Liquid Metal
My next build I'm going with the Grizzly Kryosheet and Grizzly Contact Frame
I have been thinking about trying out the kryosheet myself...I'm using direct die with liquid metal right now, but it is very annoying to clean up...Plus I have to basicly lap my cold plate everytime because the liquid metal kinda etches the coldplate...I have heard the the kryosheet works almost as well as liquid metal and I won't have to worry about it anymore! I may throw one on my GPU as well...
@@brucepreston3927 I don't think the Kryosheet works nearly as well as liquid metal in most benchmarks I've seen, but I don't think I've seen anyone trying it direct die either. That said, how often are you re-opening and re-applying LM? It should basically be a one and done job, it degrades maybe a couple C over years.
I've never used liquid metal, so I can't speak to whether or not it is better than the Kryosheet, but I have been using the Kryosheet since it has come out, and it works very well.
@@tmoore121 My PC gets very dirty where I live so I usually do a full teardown and deep clean twice a year...I know I don't need to change the LM every time, but I do it just for piece of mind and because I might as well if i'm already doing a full teardown of everything else...I will pick up a couple kryosheets just to try it and see what temps I get...I know it won't be as good as LM, but if it's pretty close I may just keep using it...I'm sure it will work better on my GPU also, I haven't been brave enough to try LM on that...
@@TTM1895 Thats good to hear! I know it won't be quite as good as LM, but it will fun just to test it and see what I get...If it works well in my PC, I may try it on my laptop also...I just like tearing computers apart! lol
I would be interested in seeing a comparison between the Honeywell 7950 ptm vs the thermal grizzly thermal pad. I think it would make a very interesting video.
It would be interesting to see you test the new thermal pads LTT is selling and using in their videos.
Once I used anti-seize as I was out of arctic silver. It actually worked quite well!
the pure silver stuff works very well.
What is your opinion on ARCTIC MX-4? Need to replace a cpu cooler and it has great reviews on Amazon. Thanks for any reply on this one.
11:19 wise words to live by Jay 🫡
simple answer is its to jay term - LIQUIDYEE for use, which is why its not used ever in such applications as cpu cooling,
This is why water based thermal stuff is never used on those parts, its used where u can place it in a hole or area that wont be presurized to make it move once it dries due to its viscosity. it needs to dry solid, if pressed it wont be thick enough to work, it will get pushed out as saw in the video.
This paste is usually used on hot end heaters. It normally doesnt have to hit 100°C
Pressure isnt the issue as some hotends do have pressure. I use this stuff. It usually gets used around 70°C and i believe due to being water based it will dry out if kept too close to 100°C for too long.
Good wholesome family fun
I like that we have some back ground gaming in this video
Id like to see this used on some of the new ThermalRight ,DeepCool and Arctic coolers, which seem to have very good quality contact pads to the ihs.
Please do a series of videos or a big roundup video of a bunch of different thermal paste types! But you know, Jay it up the way you do lol
And I mean actual thermal pastes, not things that aren’t, like peanut butter haha
FYI, boron nitride is also used as a non-wetting agent in aluminum foundries.
Wheres do you get king pin paste from? Iv been unable to find any in the EU other than a very small one for $40 (which is pretty expensive)
I'm just thinking what about ceramic paste or copper paste used for brakes to use for CPU coolers?
And about the Boron nitride paste - as far as I remember in the manual for my 3D printer was written the paste has to dry before you are allowed to use the printer or the thermal conductivity doesn't work.
Meanwhile, me idling a i9 12900k at 27-30c with Arctic Silver
hey jay i gotta question i have a friend who has a test bench that he has older parts on am4 socket and he tests diff stuff usually gpus anyway i was over there the other day because ive been having some issues but when he plugged my gpu in it wouldmnt show any thing at all fans would startb liek normal but woudlnt show picture he ran ddu so on rebooted tried again nothjing but i have 2 pcs at my house and my gpu riuns fine on both my pcs at home and he usually runs amd stuff in his house exccept for maybe a high end gpu here and there what do you do to deal with testing loads of gopus on your test bench?
What are your thoughts on the PTM7950 thermal pads from Honeywell?
Could you make a video about making your own paste with boron nitride powder and silicone oil?
11:52
*You can just fill that whole void with the white stuff*
Beautiful. Paul’s should be proud.
3:18
Thanks for clarifying the temp in the room isn’t 70° Celsius.
Try mixing that Boron nitride to Aluminum nitride + a bit of mx-2 and see if it will enhance the structure of the thermal paste.
This is too funny this video pops up when I just got thermal paste delivered.
For me personally it's either the cheap but almost as good as top end paste MX-4 or I go straight for liquid metal, like in case of GPUs or any other direct die cooling application.
I literally ordered some thermal grizzly yesterday lol
I mean, if we all survived until now without that gimmick of a paste .ight as well put our minds at ease and play
- Buyers remorse and cope
@@user-dv7hq2rh4g Gotta love me some MX-4. Can't beat that price/performance ratio
Same, just bought some Corsair XTM70 which by the way is absolutely phenomenal for a scorcher of a laptop I've got. Brought the temps and fan ramping down quite noticeably.
Jay can you do a video about WiFi pci antennas. Can you upgrade or is there good upgrades for pc WiFi antennas. I see some that are wired and you can put places. I don’t see a lot of videos talking about if these help or hurt and not everyone can use cat 6
Jay - what do you think about the stuff LTT is selling? The phase-change pad stuff that replaces thermal paste and supposedly lasts longer. Was just curious.
I use Prolimatech PK-3 Nano Aluminium, it’s 11.2 W/mK and it works a dream on both my 13700K with Noctua NH D15 and also my HP Omen laptop, 10750H and 2070 MaxQ.
Try Gelid GC Extreme. Fantastic in general, but especially for GPUs. Recommended to warm it up before trying to apply it.
So the question now becomes "would it have worked better if it was more viscous? And how would that effect the thermal conductivity? And electrical conductivity?"
We should get derbauer on it.
IIRC, there is an interview with Der8auer where he calls the thermal conductivity ratings are junk. That they can engineer and game the number to what ever they want and it will have no noticeable benefit in real world testing.
Engine oil does a great job in a car as one of the three jobs it does, plenty of viscosity there.
One alternative that actually works is Never Seize from the auto parts store. Used that for a whole summer of builds back in the Pentium 4 days.
That reminds me of the type of paste used for mosfets/transistors heatsinks, it's not normally compressed like a cpu heatsink
it's fun and games, and easy content to compare different TIMs right after the application, but not indicative of any real-world use case. I'd love to see a test over a longer period of time. like a year or three, eventually 7. Find out what works in the long run, not just for a nice benchmark score.
Hey Jay, i'm on a new build. and my games keep crashing, closing out or turning up into a bsod while compiling shaders do you have any recommendations to get passed this? im running a 7900xt
Would you recommend Liquid metal for thermal compound, as its like 70+ w/mk?
How does Arctic Silver thermo paste compare to those you mention in this video? I've been using that for years, most recently, I've used their Arctic Silver 5. I see that they have a new formula out called Céramque 2.
Jay, would you try to solder CPU onto a radiator with Pb soldering paste?
Hey Jay, I stumbled across a great thermal compound with SYY 157 - It has a rating of 15.7 W/mK and its designed for CPU and GPU application! It's non-conductive, and their kit comes with literally everything you could want when it comes to preparing and applying the paste.
I was wondering if you'd ever given it a shot/what your thoughts on it are?
Anyone else here have good results with it?
I have used a few different types of paste over the years, but the last few RYZEN builds I have used thermal grizzly Aeronaut, my latest build has a RYZEN 9 5900x with an AIO.
So one thing that's very important for thermal paste is a very low surface tension and viscosity because you want to make the layer as thin as possible. I'm guessing that the boron nitrate is not nearly as viscous as the thermal paste, so it doesn't allow for an incredibly thin layer that forms to the both surfaces perfectly.
You should do a CZcams video experimenting with no thermal paste, a sanded IHS, cheap paste and expensive paste.
On the topic of thermal paste, how often do I need to take my computer apart and re-paste? I built my first custom loop cooling machine about 11 months ago with a 13700k and I couldn't get it above about 60 degrees under stress test benchmarking at the time. Last week I did a test on a whim and was immediately thermal throttling, and games are getting it up to 60. GPU (3080) still comfortably running mid upper 60s under stress test and gaming loads.
I think part of the problem is that the boron nitride paste is really designed for use at higher temps than the pc will ever reach. It's designed to be effective in the 200 C - 400 C range that 3d printer hotends operate at. I think it also is supposed to have time to dry out before it works at it's peak efficiency, which probably would have required a few hours or maybe days.
Im also a fan of the thickness
Locked the voltage but left the LLC :D
Also there are at least other 4-5 power saving options in the BIOS that you have to remove if you want to have somewhat accurate results. Not just... in the ballpark..
I see the frequency is not asctually locked as well
It wasn't stupid, it was interesting! I think all kinds of thermal paste like stuff needs to be tested :)
I've noticed one thing about expensive thermal pastes.
The best ones spread super easily and that's what you should be paying for.
You can get a big tube of PK-3 or something pretty cheap, but something like a Kryonaut that's a couple times more expensive... way easier application.
Good application = good performance. You can get there easily or you can find a spatula for the thick stuff.
very good. someone got the point. the application is more important than the material itself. conductivity is not "linear". the 13.2 vs 12.5 conductivity won't have any effect. Even beyond 20 W/mK is not something spectacular. This is a UNIT of measurement. Not a guide. Watts per meter Kelvin. written wrong from the beginning ... Joule was like "am i a joke to you?"