Swapping my pedalboard for the Boss RC600
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- čas přidán 21. 02. 2023
- FYI as part of getting setup I dived into JP's RC600 course which I think got culled in the edit, and was part of me getting up and running nice and smoothly:
bit.ly/jp600course
...and this is JP's channel on all things Boss 600 as well as live looping on various different pedals:
/ @johnpaulmusicuk
In particular modelled my bass tone (plus a few adjustments and EQ) from Ross Gallaghers vid:
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and many many more from prior to getting the pedal to understand the basics and overall setup of the pedal.
Also for those that are reading this and want the price and description on Amazon then here it is:
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So... the important things - do I now recommend the RC600... yep - with perhaps some caveats... there are still some glitches, and yes there's a massive learning curve (I did a lot of mine before getting to pedal tbh). My biggest issue with it overall is what I would consider a real failure in the routing options, but that will be for another video - and doesn't impact being able to use this well for shows - just means it's not really an upgrade from the rc300 in that regard in my opinion*.
There's some great new tools in the mix, and the sound quality is ace, and at the end of the day the customization is really the winner - as you figure out what you want and get it setup, you can switch all the buttons to do what you want them to be tailored to your needs.
*this point will be somewhat dependant on how you setup your loops also just fyi - for some people it will open up some cool options rather than frustration haha!
So - where is everybody else at with it? haha.
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What a wonderfully portable time to be alive. More and more though those adjustments made to "help preserve brain space" are going to become absolutely vital.
haha yes! Getting the most out of the unit whilst still being able to focus on performing the gig 👌
I just got the 600 and I came here looking for some inspiration. So nice to see your name pop up! That jam at the end is fantastic too. Big love, buddy!
Thanks brother! I'm sure you're having fun exploring some new possibilities with yours!
Awesome. I'm so glad you started using it and SOOOO glad you posted another video. Enjoy the new journey!
Thanks Nick. Nice to share again and having fun with the pedal 👌
Congrats on the switch! Love your videos, and stoked to see where the RC-600 takes ya!
cheers Mike! appreciate the message brother!
Excellent video, David, and thank you kindly for the shout-out! I'm looking forward to seeing how you're getting on with things in future vids. Cheers, Ross.
Awesome! Can’t wait to see and hear all the cool stuff to come...!
cheers! Look forward to sharing various ideas and tunes again!
Great you're back, David! I mean, videos showing a guy eating chocolate and talking about random stuff while still providing super useful information...Who doesn't like that! Have now started setting up the RC-600 myself, but now I'll change to some of your settings. Thanks and all the best!
haha cheers Markus! loads of ideas to experiment with on this unit eh! Cheers for the comment and nice to be back mate! Trust you're doing well.
Awesome to see you back sir!
Thanks Fedde! Nice to be making and creating some vids again brother!
Really informative, thank you!
You started a young man and ended a wise middle-aged wizard learning the RC!
Great to see u bud, ur VL3 Vidz were clutch &mnow I’m also moving to rc600
Glad to see you back man! Was thinking of graduating from the RC-50 to the RC-300 but might jump all the way to the 600 after this demo.
Thanks Jake! the 600 is a nice piece of kit mate. Just give yourself the time to work through learning it initially though ay!
Hey, great to see you are back! Your videos really inspire me! So much that I’ve started doing open mic nights. I have a VL3, but I’m still not using it. Just getting it set up still. (Have been for over a year now) I’m about to watch this video, and am afraid I’m going to want want one of these.
hey Darren! thanks for this comment my friend and congrats on jumping into the open mic nights! Definitely takes a while to learn some of these pedals - but all so much fun once you get through the frustration of figuring out and saving tones etc! The 600 is pretty cool on the looping front, and definitely has some fun features but I still rate the guitar and vocal fx and tones much much higher on the VL3 than on this.
Good to see a d hear you again!
Thanks Piers! Nice to be back!
Thanks for this, some really good tips here. Could you possibly do a video with the settings for your lead tones, they sound really good.
David, great video, explaining the RC. I’m running a small home studio in The Netherlands, have a lot of gear, I’m a synth / piano / organ player. Lot’s of synths / keys. But also have other stuff like acoustic, electric guitars, bass, sax, Roland SPD SX Pro pad, Helix FX pedal and some other stuff. But I was always thinking about looping, no matter what instrument. So after a lot of reviews I decided to buy the RC. So now, it’s the fifth of may, and saw a lot of RC movies on CZcams, and yours came by. Really good video, about how you set it up, and what you can do with it. And, btw, really nice editing of the video.
I love the way you have it set up with the fx!
thanks mate! so many different options with it eh!
This pedal is just awesome. Nice video
it's pretty cool eh!
Love how you present !!!!!
Thank you!
Love to see it mate!!
Cheers!
Great video. Definitely going to evolve how I’m using it after seeing this.
ah that's awesome! new ideas to play with?
Thanks David,
Great video, I'm loving my RC 600, although I am way underutilising it's functions, but I will get there .
Amazing video man! And btw I love your feel playing guitar! 😊
Thanks!
Great to see you again…👌
thanks Zaid! Looking forward to sharing some more again - appreciate the comment!
Awesome. I’ve missed your vids. I’m still not loving it and miss my Headrush but it’s pretty good. Waaaaay more compact and weight friendly. Looking forward to learning from you.
Cheers Chris! I feel this comment haha! There's some epic-ness for it's size and weight for sure. I defo feel like they managed to never ask gigging musicians about what might be needed in the pedal though haha.
Looking good dave ❤
why thank you! 🥰
Nice video!
cheers!
Good to see you again mate. 👍This subject is so interesting. The only thing that would make me replace my current huge pedal board (Boss RC-500 as looper) would be if I can replace all pedals with only the Boss RC-600. The limitations with the harmonizer is the first obvious problem for me. I wonder if this really could be fixed with only software update. I would guess there are hardware limitations in the product as well. Why wouldn’t they have included this in the fist place. Boss has at least three other pedals that can do this. The auto harmonizer based on MIDI is just a joke. What kind of real life scenario is that? Looking forward to the sequels mate.🤘
Excellent!
Cheers!
Such a great video! Tnx for it! And you can even change this with a 505mk2+nektar pacer for even endless possibilities!
Great ideas in this video David - also very impressed with your overdriven sound for acoustic - any chance of sharing how you did that?
hey Merlin - I'll be putting my full setup including tones etc on my site as a download package. Will be a video walking through a bunch of things when that's up as well. ....taking a bit more time to get sussed than I thought so that it works smoothly etc for everybody!
Craziness! lol. Best of luck with the switch :). I still cannot leave my VL3X behind!
ah mate - so much I miss from that unit!
@@davidshanhun I get it and I get the appeal of the new Boss unit. Good to hear from you!
@@markbell1 if I could have the looping capacity of the rc300 or 600 in the voicelive i'd switch back easy.
Good idea assigning the bass to the undo button! Great video man!
bro did you get one? cheers!
Wow, you made that look easy. Gonna be rewatching this video and thinking about what I'd like to lift from your set up. The FX stuff was very interesting.
Just out of curiosity: Did you consider bringing all six loop REC/PLAY onto the six pedals in one mode? And if so, what made you not do that?
haha cheers! so many options on how to set things up and great to see all sorts of people's variations eh! I haven't run a setup with all 6 on the one mode, but so far haven't found a real need for all 6 loops with what I do. I think it could be pretty cool using that arrangement though with mark/mark back to bring things in and out though.
Thank you for a great vid!! Please, what is the legal board, and case for your older big board? Thank you in advance!!
my older board was this - and I bought a hard case for it later - shop.warwick.de/en/guitar-and-bass-effects/pedalboards/21013/rockboard-cinque-5.3-pedalboards
Sweet! Looking for to the sequels. One question up front: Does the unit also do proper vocal harmonies, similar to the VE-500?
nope! ....actually more of a tricky question - it does do harmonies similar, but you have to program the key for each song, or send it midi information for each song - it won't read your guitar or instrument input to auto-sense what is being played and match it. So depending on how you wish to use it - it could be a yes or a no haha!
Hii nice video .... But Could u explain how u assign pedal 8 to different kind of effect ?
If you were to hit the all start/stop button would that end the loop and bring it back in while letting you continue to use effects on either your voice or guitar?
Great to know you're using your new looper on stage. Great video explaining the layers and effects etc in the looper. Wish I had or could afford a boss rc600. Will have to do with my rc300 for now which I haven't yet used for a live show.
Just a question David since you say you use layers by pressing the same button. Are the lights on the unit visible in direct sunlight or under color lighting on stage ???
hey brother! The lights are terrible in sunlight haha. While there's lots of good things in the new unit - there are a lot of 'fails' in my opinion too haha.
@@davidshanhun thanks David, Well I guess it would be the same issue with any foot unit. Have an old Digitech BP50 bass guitar processor and i couldn;'t see the display in direct sunlight too. Guess that we gotta find a way around any issues.
... I have loads of gear and being able to scale down to just one loopstation is a game changer.. I was initially put off getting a 600 as it's got way more functionality than I will ever use and it doesn't have a Wah pedal of the bat.. the older 300 looks easier to run but price-wise the 600 is better "value" I think..
Ahhh cool. Been thinking about this model. The bugs put me off.
yep I was in that camp and watching very closely for a long time. There are still some interesting glitches, but they are consistent and able to be worked around for the most part. It's a super fun unit ay.
So good to see that Mr loop is back ! Does the setup of your demo it « tricky » to make David?
Hey Dov! Nice to be back and thank you. Not sure I understand you for this sorry - it was tricky to hold both pedals/pedalboards for the thumbnail image haha!
@@davidshanhun i was talking about the way you switch to your bass and after the boost and delay sound. It looks like easy on the video but i am not sure that it is so easy for someone who don’t know this kind of gear like you.
I hope it make sense? Best my friend.
@@dovane9932 yes that makes sense. Yes I have made it easy haha! You can choose what each switch does on the RC600 - so I have set it so that one switch turns on my bass tone to make it nice and simple.
Man, I missed your videos...
aw thank you Marlo! It's been way too long!
Hi, I can't find any answer for my question hope you can help!
So I have the boss rc 600, but can I plug in my fender marine layer reverb effect pedal? Or any other pedal?
I know there are fx in the rc 600 but I really like the sound I have with my pedal!
Thank you!!
yep of course you can! If you plug it in before the pedal everything going into the loop will have your reverb, and if you plug it in after it will affect everything that is looped including rhythms etc. You can play around with what works best for your setup etc.
Are you finding this easier or harder to figure out than the VoicLive 3?
Easier - but perhaps that is partly due to having spent so much time with the VL3. The fundamental setup of the VL3 laters has simply been copied and called modes in this unit tbh. Button mapping works in the same way, just a bit different in terms of the inital menu to access things.
How did you get the 4-on-the-floor beat? I had the rc500 where you could remove parts of the percussion set from the rhythm, but I'm not seeing that on the 600. Thanks!
heya, it's under 'guide' when choosing your style. Let me know if you find it or if not i'll give clearer instructions haha - not by the unit atm!
Amazing to learn from your video and read all the comments
It does seem a lot of new working out needs to be done to succesfully set up the RC600 to work how each individual wants it to work
Ive succesfully been using the sweet little old pedal RC30 ha ha ,,its been my best band ever, but now seriously considering going straight up to the 600 and bypassing the older 300 , however the expression pedal seems a great pedal on the 300 and obviusly easier but there seems to be huge benefits with more inputs and fx , just a little concerned still why there are still glitches after the updates , hopefully not when Live Looping
still doing my homework on both machines , but once again your information is fantastic
interested to know when you will have new vids so have just subcribed
btw , i am an ELECTRIC VIOLINIST Piano and Handpan Player ...loving playing live with my current looper but know going forward the possibilities are amazing
thaank you again
love this message :) and YES - so much figuring out to do with new gear - especially when there's so much packed into it like the 600. If you're willing to spend the time to learn the 600 I would go with that, but if you want a shorter learning curve then the 300 is an excellent machine and will expand your options a lot from the 30. There are still bugs or 'odd' things that occur with the 600 - but - they are reasonably documented and you can work around them for the most part. If you do go for the 600, I recommend something like JP's course on it, so you can work through the unit bit by bit rather than getting into 'overwhelm' looking at the manual etc haha. bit.ly/jp600course Food for thought haha!
I'm still using my VL3X into a Headrush Looperboard. I just can't leave the VL3X behind yet.
yeah it's still an ace pedal for sure!
@@davidshanhun For the songs I don't loop, I can't get away from the harmonies. I also like the rest of the vocal effects a little better than the Looperboard. Though the LB is still pretty new to me.
I just start with muzic, and want to by this for guitar to... but why you have the left pedals a and b. Is it to change setting with youre feet to?
the a&b pedals mean I can assign extra controls to change fx, erase loops etc with my feet also - yep!
How would you compare the built in "bass" mode with the actual OC-5/3 pedals?
built in bass is pretty terrible - oc3 and 5 are both better for tracking, and while they are pretty decent they still aren't great haha! I switched to the EHX bass 9 and it's worlds apart.
Quick question I’m new to looping mate thanks for the vids… how do you go to another chord progression for a chorus??
what pedal are you using?
@@davidshanhun boss rc-300
@@scrivmusic453 cool - you can program assigns to do this. if you don't have an external control pedal, set the assign to the fx button for that memory. you will need 2 assigns - 1 will be to 'start/stop' loop 2 (verse), and the 2nd assign will be to 'start/stop' loop 3 (chorus). you could use different loops depending on how you set it up but that's the basics. When loop two is playing it will stop it and start loop 3 and vice versa!
Hey! Do you use anything under the pedal like pedalboard or carpet for safety reasons? Dirty floor, moisture etc.
thanks for your answer;)
nope! If there was moisture or an issue somewhere I needed to play then yes I'd put something down - or simply not play if it's likely to damage my gear. I have a pedalboard now for the RC600 but that's simply because it's easier to have all the pedals setup and ready to go!
Hi Shawn,
Please tell me the name of the case for your old setup.
Thanks
Reuben
hey Reuben - I'm David lol. But my old pedalboard was on this (it's massive btw). www.rockshop.co.nz/rockboard-cinque-5-3-gb-81-x-41-6-cm-pedal-board-w-gigbag-velcro-similar-to-arena-gb
I then bought a hardcase with wheels which I can't seem to find online now for it, but that will at least give you the dimensions!
My RC300 froze on me several times as well. I just ordered an RC600, in hopes that I wouldn't have the freeze problem. Then I hear that yours froze. GRR!
oh no! It's been pretty good since tbh - so i'm guessing perhaps it genuinely got too hot - was a hot day gig in the sun so may have been the cause? I have had another issue similar, but have now done a bunch of gigs with no problems! Good thing is you can back up your unit and settings etc, so even if you got a replacement - you can load up the new/replacement one all set and ready to go!
Hey mate with your vastly more advanced knowledge of all things one man loop I’m hoping you can help
I currently foot tap a four on the floor beat with a traditional “stompbox” live which is great for song dynamics live though I’d like have my foot free to do more looping to do more looping
Im looking for some sort of beat machine to take care of my stomps with tap tempo and importantly velocity control of the kick drum on an expression pedal !! I could buy macschine plus or something similar but I’m trying to avoid bringing laptops and similar to pubs
Beat buddy and similar pedals are great but no velocity control
Have you ever experimented with this idea or know of anything that might do the job ??
Much appreciated
Cheers
Which loop pedal are you using?
@@davidshanhun an old boss RC 3 for now but will most likely pick up the 500 to take advantage of the kick drum options there
Can do tap tempo /start stop / from the unit and volume on a expression pedal
It seems like the best compromise unless you can think of something I’m missing ??
Didn’t realize controlling drum velocity /dynamics live would be as resource hungry as it seems to be
Cheers
@@QuickSticks8771 you can edit the drums on the 500 in terms of what is used - not 100% sure on editing the velocity though. My other thought was you could load your own drum samples as loops into various units, edited to suit appropriate velocity before importing etc.
@@davidshanhun yeah nah , nothing can manipulate velocity in real-time unless you bring a laptop/ mobile daw type unit I’ve discovered.
I’ve also had the multiple velocity drum loop on separate switches idea too
But it would need to have tap tempo tho to be a truly useful live instrument
Think something like the new headrush prime can import samples then adjust the speed without changing pitch
Anywho had no idea my simple idea would end up being this complicated
@@davidshanhun thanks for your replies to me long questions
Loving what you do wish you much success!!
what sound effect name is it when you were bending the strings to make an electric sound
not sure quite what timing you're referencing, but think i'm using an overdrive and delay - sharing my settings very soon so you can copy exactly haha. They're not quite launched but will be part way down the page here when I get it sussed! www.davidshanhun.com/shop
@@davidshanhun thank you this is amazing but please can u do a video on your channel on how to make the exact setup of your amazing (massive) pedal board?
@@davidshanhun also I subscribed
@@SamWoolley-om5hh aww I would brother but I've finally changed and switched to the rc600 fully. Would have been a good vid but we missed that one haha!
@@davidshanhun I meant what all the pedals do on your rc600 and also what did u do to the pedal board
i use mode 1 button 1 to 6 track start stop overdub. / mode 2 button 1to 4 input effect ABCD / button 5 effects bank down button 6 bypass effects ...... same for mode 3 except for track effects i also use a FCB1010 midi foot controller 10 buttons 2 expresion peadls all working with my rc600 no mod
Hello I'm looking for a loop who would detect the rhythm at the first guitar chords played and with whom I can launch the drum rhythm at the foot !! I have an RC 300 from boss but he doesn't do all that would you have any advice to give me to solve my solution ! However thé RC 300 as soon as you stop the first track all the rhythm stop which is not practical because I am looking for an Uber that continues the rhythm to be able to pass on other chords for différent verse for example or the chorus ! Looping with thé louper of Ableton màke that well but i dont Want anti computer in live bécause not So Surely and not very easy. Thanks for your answer
You can do this from the RC600. You will preset the actual rhythm, but it will always match the tempo that you have recorded at. You can leave it running even when you stop loops, and start/stop from your foot etc. The RC600 will take quite a lot of learning to use - so be prepared for that if you get one!
OK David the RC 600 seems to be a good machine but have all the bugs you don't talk about in your previous videos been fixed
@@antoinenioi6863 yeah it's a cool unit. no the bugs haven't all been fixed, but you can work with the unit consistently at least.
@@davidshanhun thanks a lot David for your précious advices ! Antoine from France
most welcome! @@antoinenioi6863
Can each track overdub??
Just bought an RC600 and on the first day of use it froze 5-6 times. Has yours ever frozen or did i just get a lemon?
that doesn't sound great man! Mine froze at the first gig and then another time later - had to pull power out completely to reset. what software version is it running? But that's twice in many gigs and over a year of owning it.
Thanks, yeah I tried updated to latest firmware and doing factory reset. Froze a couple more times this morning - only unplugging power does anything. From what I read, sometimes you just get a glitchy unit - some owners have no issues at all 👍 think I'll get it swapped out and try again!
@@jonpickford351 yep that's pretty much what I've gathered also - some units are ace and some are not! Let me know how you get on with the next one out of curiosity!
@@davidshanhunyeah all good now - swapped it for another unit and no problems at all after a few days of use. Now to deep dive and let the loop game evolve!
awesome to hear that mate. Although sadly confirms there's still batches of duds in the mix! @@jonpickford351
What model guitar is that?
prs A55ebg
hello David, after several months of work and with your help I finally post my first live cover loop videos on CZcams with the rc-600. If you can go take a look I would be honored...
czcams.com/video/dSP7asAMAto/video.html
Small practical question: how do you note the structure of your songs on your ipad? When to send the bass? stop a track? etc... With the chords + the lyrics it's sometimes difficult to read everything live... I know you have to repeat a lot to have automatisms but if you have any advice, thank you very much in advance 🙏
Oh man?
yes? 🤷♂️
@@davidshanhun I have the TC VL3X / switch 6 and another few bits and pieces...
I travel quite a bit and my board is heavy, This would not just be ideal for my home gigs but perfect for touring.....planes etc.
Love your videos. Thanks a million. #ithastobedunne
@@ANDYDUNNETV ah sweet! Have fun!
Old guys on youtube trying like:
If I can help you feel free to reach out my friend. Best wishes with whatever you're up to 👌