OLED vs Plasma TV Comparison (Incl. Motion, Brightness, HDR vs SDR)
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- čas přidán 31. 07. 2020
- We do an OLED vs plasma TV comparison using a Panasonic HZ2000 OLED & a ZT65 plasma. Thanks to Surfshark VPN for sponsoring this video... go to surfshark.deals/HDTVTest - Enter promo code HDTVTest for 85% off and 3 extra months free.
Picture quality topics covered include contrast performance, colour accuracy, motion clarity & smoothness, video processing, HDR vs SDR, gaming including input lag, as well as bright-room performance for daytime viewing.
Our review sample is the 65-inch Panasonic TX-65HZ2000B and the 60-inch Panasonic TX-60ZT65B.
Our 2007 article on plasma's phosphor trails is here: www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/plasm...
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I think considering you're comparing a 1080p plasma built nearly a decade ago to today's latest and greatest and 4k oled HDR content, that plasma TV kick's some serious ass!
The funny thing is too... When the last round of plasmas came out you could buy a 60 inch 1080p plasma for less than a 40 inch lcd... They had a better picture in every possible way. I have no clue how we've had to endure so many years of trash...
Well they certantly used to anyway. Dont anymore thoug. Thats pretty clear! Plasmas are pure nostalgia today
What's hilarious is to the eyes if you saw the plasma besides the motion you would be like wtf why does the plasma actually look better lol no matter what he's telling me I know for a fact the plasma looks better in 1080p content can it look as good as native 4k hdr no but it's damn good shockingly good lol
I really really really really hate he showed advice optimized for hdr and played rhe downcoverted version which is washed out trying to make it out like it's the tv when in reality it's just the sdr edition is flat when forcing it down like that if he played a native 1080p movie that was made for true 1080p the results would of been completely different he did this on purpose I love vincnet but he knows what he's doing he knows why there was a difference its funny if he played that exact movie on the 4k Panasonic and was able to make it downconvert into sdr on the version that wasn't made for it the movie would of looked exactly the same in color so yeah I hate he did that
Listen the Panasonic is better and the sony and lg tvs are also but he didn't do the plasma justice and he did it on purpose it's sad that he also kept it so curved no other videos does he make them sideways like that and we all know oled viewing angles are better so he did it no justice and on purpose
I don't even own a plasma anymore and know thus from my own testing and this was just a year ago which would be around the time of this video reslly really decepting that's the only thing I don't like about this video
If I record a video and then downconvert it in to 1080p sdr from recording 4k hdr guess what the colors get washed out and the tv looks nasty af that's just how it works and he knows this or he should at least mabye he didn't back then lol
@@reviewforthetube6485 Well not really. I have an Old pana plasma and a new pana hz1000. The HZ outperforms in every way. Dont see a difference in motion With bfi on 24hz content. In hdr I cant compare for obvious reasons! Old plasma owners should really move on allready😅
@@makafuniruni as I said I don't even own a plasma anymore I did my testing over a year ago like I stated in my comment meaning I did move on i was specifically stating he used very bad sdr content that was never optimized or made for true sdr it was downconverted sdr my only point was 1080p sdr content still looks better on it then the penny does that's jsut a fact because as Vincent even explained the 4k tv is upsclaimg to 3k the plasma only does it to its native resolution which is 1080p which is what the content actually is when you play a true 1080p movie or something that was my only point is he used crap washed out dowmcoverted sdr content that was made in hdr if he played other sdr content it would of looked much better plasma is known for there color we have plenty of other comaprisons out there even 2 of plasma tvs next to the hz2000 I'm sure you can find them whrre the color was just as good but the 1080p content was a bit cleaner stated by the user just like I've seen myself all I was saying is he didn't do the plasma justice if yoy also saw I said it played 1080p better but I also said no it can't compete with 4k hdr so idk where you got I said it was actually better overall I was specifically staying 1080p sdr content only
"I think this is the last time a plasma TV will be featured on this CZcams channel."
That was a sad goodbye.
😥
Not really, my Plasma is collecting dust in the other room , on the floor. Once I got my OLED i never turned that thing on again.
@@greebuh blasphemy! thou shalt not say plasma's name in vain! 😡
Time is real.
i asked for it...thanks vincent ...i still use my panasonic vt 30 for gaming .
I do repair TVs. So I have experienced several brands ,and models, 1080p to 4k , local dimming ,hdr and some were qleds with dolby vision. Then I got a Samsung 720p plasma , a heavy beast for repair. Once the repair done, I turned it ON and I couldn’t believe my eyes. What a colour reproduction this old tv has! I kept an eye in the local sales since then., and I am the proud owner of a Panasonic TC-P50G15 now! This model has THX certified display with a specific THX picture mode! Damn, I will keep it as long as I can repair it (If anything happens ). Cheers
Bro the Panny G series are amazing tvs. I had a G10, James Cameron worked with Panasonic for Avatar, he wanted a tv that was perfect for it with the colors. You have to watch Avatar on it. I havent seen it the same since my ex stole my G10. My 4k full array Led cant do it. Even tho the G10 was 1080p it looked better
@@PhoenixBlacke Thanks for the reply, I did watch Avatar Bluray on it , you are right , That fluorescent plant leaves of Pandora was unbelievably vibrant!
You need to see a pioneer krp.
You did it right. I sold my ZT60/VTW60 before I bought a new A95K QD-Oled. I regret it so much 😭
@@PhoenixBlacke G10 better than PZ800?
the transition from plasma to the truckloads of absolute shit tier LED TVs was one of the most painful regressions of all time.
same with the transition from CRT computer monitors to shit LCD's .
True, the motion blur is horrendous, terrible, on the other hand, in plasma TVs I think that doesnt even exist.
The first TVs with new tech are always a piece of sh!t. It is as if instead to continue to develop the tech, they decide to use the costumer as part of the quality assurance testing and instead of paying the costumer, the costumer pays them :S
I remember modern rear projection TV´s being better than either one. No burn in, full color pixels instead of RGB, less energy consumption and cheaper to buy. And when the PQ deteriorates just swap the bulb. Being projectors, some even had overlapping pixels = one smooth image. There also was a brand making 5 inch thick RPTV´s for wall mounting. I had one for 10 years; doubt my OLED will last that long.
@@STARDRIVE But I have a sectional couch and three housemates. How are they going to watch tv?
Oh shit, I legit didn’t think we’d ever get this video. You’re a mad man Vincent and we all love you for it
*mad lad
Watched this on my plasma...till it dies I will be sticking with it.
@Paul Mack I am too! :)
@Moist Gnome some people are happy with what they have and don't need a new tv every 2 yrs. People that want the new best thing are never happy with what they got.
@Moist Gnome 4 What,? What's the point of 4k? Just throwing money away. 4 K is like 5G. Too early to go to the new technology.
@Moist Gnome I'll get an 8k micro led when my Plasma is no longer working.
@Moist Gnome my 32 inch 2014 Samsung 1080p tv is as good as my 55 inch 2019 Samsung 4k tv. I don't think there's much of a difference unless you buy the most expensive one. I never had plasma so im thinking of going to get one at the thrift store for the hell of it. Probably cost like $30
I have the Panasonic ZT60 as my main living room TV. I paid about $1400 for it on a clearance and open box sale. Original price was $3200 or so. It has served me well over these 7 plus years. Yes I know it’s about that time to upgrade to 4K HDR OLED but the value and reliability of that TV is unmatched.
OLED can still be worse than your ZT60 Read the comments here !
@@daisyduck8593 I agree you will not like digital unnatural juddery movement of people
PROTECT YOUR ZT WITH LIFE! The best oled doesn’t compare.
@@C-man553 the plasma should last about 20 plus years if treated right.....
It's time to upgrade when you feel you want to upgrade
The fact that you even compared Plasma to OLED is still high praise. For evening movie and tv buffs plasma still beats the low and mid range edge lit tvs which are 80% of today's tvs out there.
Honestly, I prefer my Panasonic VT60 plasma over ANY LCD-based TV I've seen.
I don’t have a Panasonic, but I am holding on to my Sanyo 42 inch DP42746!
I, unfortunately, bought a THX certified Panasonic plasma, that in a short time lost it's black level.
Any cheap led tv will beat it's performance these days.
@JungleBubble oled has a similar blur reduction, and the response time is again better than a plasma or all other tech.
the problem is judder, not blur.
and judder is more visible because tv s are more bright and lower response time, we can t have all!
but dejudder work fine on last tvs and its in constant progress
@JungleBubble The latest Sony OLED's have a pretty interesting implementation of BFI. They divide the screen in 3 horizontal 'bars' and display one after the other. So they first display the top third of the screen, then the middle third and then the bottom third. This means a part of the screen is always displayed. In a way it is a crude form of CRT scanning. This gives less of a hit to brightness than other implementations and it eliminates the flicker. I hope this will find it's way to other brands as well. (and until that time I'll be keeping my last gen Panny plasma as well ;) )
Still using my Panasonic plasma as my primary TV. My only regret is not getting the bigger size. The picture looks phenomenal, after all these years, I see no reason to upgrade, other than to get a bigger screen.
My plasma 2009 32inch recently died, I moved to a modern 4k TV and well.... apart from 4k and bright colours. I'm a little bit disappointed, the motion is horrendous 😕.
@@DirectorHMAN I have an issue with mine that I'm going to try and fix myself, but the screen is still good. That sucks about your new TV /:(. The manufacturers certainly aren't making anything better, quality just keeps slipping and slipping on just about everything. The technology goes up, but everything breaks much faster. Modern TV's are basically disposable at this point, as I don't see much of a difference between a $500 vs a $2000 set. Usually when they make something well, it's expensive to make, and therefore not as profitable, hence why Panasonic discontinued their Plasma line.
We still have an 65 inch 3D Plasma TV from Panasonic in our living room, back then it was a monster, at this time the average person had an 40 inch tv and a 50 inch was the biggest that anybody i know had back then!
I think it was 3500€ back then, it still works perfect, but i think we upgrade soon because of 4k…
@@ApfelSgt Yeah I only have the 50 inch, really wish I got the 65, but at that time I lived in an apartment so 50 was perfect, now in a house with a large living room, 50 leaves something to be desired, still love the TV though, the picture is great. I'm the type that only upgrades when stuff breaks. I don't mind 1080p, I think it looks great. I'm sure 4K is wonderful, but I'm happy with the current picture.
Don’t do it. I regret that I upgraded to Sony A95K last year!
Bless You Plasma, you were the Best of the Best for a long time!
We still have a Panasonic 58" from 2007. Plasma no dead pixels either not sure they sucked as much as they say and the viewing angles are better than IPS or LCD, from afar I often wonder if the 4k was worth it Vs the plasma tbh. They're hot, though.
Acupresh x yep still got my LG 60 inch from 2013 that i bought cheap from best buy since it was a display panel in store. Have never had issue with it or had to change any parts/bulb. At one point i wanted it to fail so i have an excuse for replacing with 4k lcd in basement but old faithful refuses to go out like that lol i have a new found affinity for this tv, especially since my bedroom samsung 4k began having issues after only 2 yrs, decided to go with lg again to replace it, c9 oled last yr, so LG is now my go to for tvs.
@@pboissie just bought a 4k lg myself seems to be a good sweet spot for sure with quality and performance
Acupresh x exactly and i have had no issue with burn in after a year, and the old lg plasma ive had for yrs now only did a temporay image retention because i forgot it on for a whole day with cnn type channel, ticker running at bottom. It cleared itself soon after after, when i changed to other content for an hr. LG oled is amazing, my fav tv ever that ive owned, the 4k blurays i used to play on samsung 4k just look 10 times better on oled in my opinion, contrast is key and inky blacks, dont need overly bright display either that sacrifices image detail.
Not giving up my Pioneer Elite Plasma anytime soon...
Still using my 65in Panasonic plasma, zero problems after 12 years of use and still looks great
I wish I still had my VT60!
@@MrTomengle What happened to it?
Panasonic 55VT50 owner here. I have it listed for sale on Craigslist only because it's not 4k.
Touch wood. Same here. 10 years with my LG Plasma.
@@gokhana.7297 Sold mine for $180. Got an LG B2 OLED and it's even more amazing than plasma in terms of absolute black and 4k detail.
Look close at the profile of her face and neck and you will see why nothing can beat Plasma. She looks like part of the scene, and not at an overlay on top of the background.
Let's take a moment to applaud the reviewer's effort and research!
He is so good it's mind blowing🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤
Poor girl, she drank litres of rice juice for these 20 minutes.
@Congisto Marxista What does she drink?
@@HeloisGevit Sencha, Gyokuro, Shincha, Kabusecha, Hōjicha, Genmaicha, Matcha, Ōlong.... who knows.
@@JiSiN3000 Hmm delicious!
well, I don't know about rice "juice".
but there are several drinks made of (almost exclusively) rice, including alcohol made from rice.
Drinking life juice collected from her master when he is away
Plasma wins for watching old school DVDs, Blu-Ray, HD-DVD, LaserDisc, PS3, and even VHS. OLED rules for Netflix, 4K, PS4, and HDR TV. I have way more old school than I do new school...I guess I'd better keep my Panasonic THX 50" TV. :) This was my favorite video of yours! Thanks for doing this! :) Take care, Sam.
Especially b/c new school content is shit. Absolute dogshit.
I’ve wanted a definitive comparison for such a long time. Thanks for testing them out.
The fam is still rocking a Panasonic 65 inch Plasma to this day. It is excellent on a lot of fronts. The color is great, the motion is awesome, any animated film to this day looks incredible. Its also great to game on.
I have the Panasonic vt50 65inch and still love this TV. For years I said I would replace it, but just cannot let it go. The image quality is still amazing and fast motion still clearer than my Samsung LED TV. A true work horse of its time.
The best guy for reliable tv information on the internet. Well done Vincent for all the work you put in. 👍
Stop The #FOMO
Best salesman 👎 His channel is the reason why a bought SONYs new QD-OLED shit.
Plasma looks excellent for its age.
Indeed. That it has be compared to one of the most expensive OLEDs on the market just be slightly overshadowed in some areas (and mostly just in HDR content) speaks volumes of how bad most consumer TVs are today. A mid-range LED TV or a cheap OLED from 2020 still can't beat a mid-range plasma from 2010.
@@4Leka I never had a plasma at the time couldn't afford one. They were thick though and heavy.
@@tomatobrush3283 Thick, heavy? So what?! You put the tv in place one time and watch it. My 2011 Panasonic plasma is not thick at all, plus any tv wall mount can handle its weight, no problem.
@@mrau92me Well there is the whole move to making them super thin these days, all I was saying is they were from a different era of TVs.
As an owner of a VT50 and ST50... it's hard to part with them, especially for gaming.
I had a cheap Vizio plasma in the mid 00's.
That thing looked beautiful compared to the CRT I'd upgraded from.
However, what I really remember is that the Plasma TV also doubled as a 1,000 BTU space heater.
That thing was SO HOT!
Yeah that's one of the main reasons they went away. Legal regulations on limiting wasted energy was catching up on it and it also had poor RMA rates as some literally heated till the plastic melted or started to chip. Shame as they really looked incredible. Nothing's perfect.
@@Skylancer727 I would say that was part of the reason but I mean if it was about making money. Plasma TVs were extremely heavy and costed a lot to produce and more importantly to ship. Shipping rates increased tremendously and the weights of the plasma didn’t help that it was becoming a lose lose situation.
@@petermaz701 yeah but I imagine there were a few ways to cut down the weight a bit. And considering there are LCD TV's with thousands of LEDs for the backlighting coming out now I don't imagine that was the main concern. As long as people were buying them for their steep prices then cost doesn't matter that much. Why Samsung is already selling microLED displays even if they cost $100K.
@@Skylancer727 nowadays everything is about profit making, shipping these things from overseas cost a fortune LEDs and Lcds are all plastic and light as feathers so is Oled you could put about three of those TVs together and it won’t equal the Weight of one plasma. profitability goes down immediately when you’re spending it on shipping alone. I know that my OLED TVs and when I had an occasional LED TV to try out I can carry it myself impossible to do with my plasma.
@Chand Master like it was haunted. LOL.
Thank you! This was exactly what I needed to see in order to help me decide if it is time to upgrade from my 65ZT60. I have been waiting years for OLED, or something, to catch up to my Plasma. The motion comparisons were especially helpful, because it is not all about black levels and contrast. There are other aspects that dramatically impact perceived quality of the video.
If im not mistaken, ZT one has 240hz refreshing rate, not one display today has that spec.
You have brute gold in your hands !
*Watching this video on my 50" Panasonic Plasma that I bought a decade ago* - Still looks great, no need to upgrade to a 4k oled yet.
But have you seen it in person? He said not to judge it by looking at the video.
2020: I'm still in love with my Pana plasma
I love mine too.
As you should, for they are fine television, however, OLED's are just better...nothing wrong with that.
Still have my 2 Pana Vieras working beautifully here...
i wish i still had my sammy 2010 series 8000 plasma, i punched it out for having bad 3D.
What a fool am i.
I’m still using Pioneer PDP LX6090H and I love it.
SDR vs HDR was quite shocking, though not a surprise. Still enjoying SDR on IPS monitor.
HDR videos/movies looks like crap on SDR monitors because it is not easy to automatically convert HDR content to SDR. The same issue happens when HDR content is outside what HDR screen can handle, there needs to be conversion and it usually doesn't look very good.
Very well made review! Thanks! Was looking for plasma vs oled and this review gave even more I expected 👍
2020: Vincent compares Panasonic plasma to Panasonic OLED
2027: Vincent compares Panasonic OLED to Panasonic MicroLED
Already know the winner, oled does real black stills n micro led can't. But micro led are bright has hell though.
@@thanhclips Micro led would be self emissive because there would be one for each pixel, so like oled you could shut each individual pixel off when needed. "The exciting thing about MicroLED is that it is also an emissive display, but unlike OLED, it doesn’t rely on organic compounds to make light. In theory, MicroLED displays should offer perfect blacks, excellent color, and near-perfect off-angle viewing, just like OLED, but they should also be even brighter, very slim, immune to burn-in, and, in the long run, less expensive to make than OLED." www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/microled-vs-oled/
@@thanhclips You are terrible wrong.. Of course Micro LED can shut of every sub Pixel..
@@randysalsman6992 is that right. I read it had dimming zones. If that's the case, that's great. Curious if they can bring the cost down bc oled is still crazy expensive. 85" oled still over 6k.
@@thanhclips You are confusing "mini LED local dimming display" and "micro led display". They have similar names but one is a backlight technology for LCD panels and the other is a completely new implementation of the whole display. MicroLED is more like a commercial billboard, shrunk down to a home-use size.
This is something I’d been hoping to see for years. Thank you!
Thank you Vincent. Who'd of thought we'd see this in 2020 but fair play to you, it was HDTV tests review of Panasonic Plasmas years ago that got me into my first plasma. I still have 2 in the house. The GT50 and the V20 so this video definitely scratched an itch I have had since 'upgrading' my GT50 plasma to an FZ OLED last year. My GT50 accepts a UHD stream from some internal sources and looks amazing still. Like someone suffering from BiPolar I switch between "wow plasma outshines the OLED here" to "wow this OLED outshines the Plasma here" every time I bounce between the two sets in my main room vs my secondary room. I'm lucky to have both but I am incredibly glad the OLED head output is significantly less than the Plasma.
I loved this review! It was technical, comparative, easy to follow, and thorough. Thank you. PS. I came here because my child threw a weight at my Panasonic 60” plasma cracking the glass tonight. Trying to figure out what to replace it with. Pretty sure I’m going with a used plasma.
Thank you for finally making this comparison! I spent a long time looking for something like this!
Panasonic stopped producing plasma in volume in 2014 and it wasn't until recently that the television industry was able to produce better televisions than plasma with other technologies. That is an INCREDIBLE run! I am still using my plasma Panasonic and it continues to function perfectly. Probably my best consumer tech purchase ever.
Absolutely. I still own a Panasonic ZT60 and have no intention in buying for a good while, not until I'm blown away. A guy I know came home from China in 2017, and could not get over the clarity of my picture - saying he saw unreal 📺s over.
Thanks! This test will be eagerly anticipated I'm sure!
Thanks for this Vincent! I agree, it is time though it’s bittersweet to say farewell to plasma. I gave my Kuro KRP500a a nice retirement home, moving it from the livingroom to the “chill-out room” where it will live out it years connected to retroconsoles like the snes classic, Xbox and ps3. As well as a chromecast to be able to watch your quality YT content 🙂
Comparing SDR 1080p plasma content to HDR oled.
If he had put SDR content on both, you would see the plasma doing a better job. The colour reproduction and fidelity is unmatched on the last gen plasmas.
Well done, Vincent. I just replaced my beloved 65ZT60 with a Sony 77A9G. The Panny was moved to the basement exercise room - I won't give it up until it's picture fails! If I get the same 7 years trouble free viewing from the Sony as I've had with the Panasonic I'll be very pleased. The Sony is brighter and 4K/HDR is beautiful but the Panasonic ZT60 is a true classic TV.
Wonderful comparison, and thank you for mentioning Pioneer Kuro's, I had a Pioneer LX5090 for many years, then switched to Samsung KS8005 and it did not stay long being edge lit. Now using a LG B7. Also sold my Pioneer to a colleague who still uses it as his bedroom TV calibrated with Calman. Plasma was superb, ruined by fear mongering marketing like today's LED vs OLED.
People around here don't even know what Calman is..i actually bought Calman when it was a Excel sheet and still hold a license with them over the years..
Plasma had a main weakness. It wasn't bright enough for daytime sports viewing. It aso got dimmer quickly. It was inefficient, heavier than LCD and subject to burn in. Fear mongering did not do in plasma. The brightness and colour pop won over the general public who couldn't care less about proper calibration.
i still use my 2008 plasma daily zero burn in on it. ive left in on overnight on menu screen still no burn in
Outstanding Vincent! One of your best video demos ever ! Thank you.
Bottom line. No need to upgrade to oled if your plasma is still kicking. Mine is on the wall in a dark den, and after 10 years, I'm still amazed at all the detail I can see and lack of motion blur when watching football games.
I am still watching my Samsung 2013 64" 3D ZT65 plasma as my primary TV and I love it! I still get the "Wow" effect when people see it. I do like the high-end OLED TVs and I have saved up to buy one but I will keep loving my plasma until it goes out (which I hope doesn't happen for a long time) then I will have to buy an OLED (unless they start making plasma TVs again).
It's sad how plasma tech existed decades ago that is still comparable to best of what we have in 2020
Plasma is inferior to OLED though. While modern QLED TV's have a brightness advantage over OLED which is already beyond brighter than Plasma TV's. HDR not only doesn't exist on Plasma but, would also be a complete nightmare for them due to how freaking dim they are.
@@ZackSNetwork Yeah, but we still have one technology that is dimmer and has burn in, (OLED) and LCD that has bad viewing angles and worse contrast. After 20 damn years. Oh, and we LOST 3D.
dude, it would have been awesome
It's even sadder that LCD tv's are still a thing and people are still buying them.
Yeah just emagjne if it had HDR would compare nicely with OLED. Had a samsung plasma 9 years and no burn in
Plasma was murdered by a misinformed market. People actually thought burn in was an issue post 2009. It really saddens me that LCD kept surviving with its inferior picture quality, but thankfully OLED came to the rescue.
100% true those early LCD TV,s were shit.
I wish I would have gotten a plasma over lcd back in the day. I listened to the burn in fear mongering though...I'm not listening anymore, I now own a OLED and am very happy with it.
I got a Panasonic Plasma in 2008, a Samsung plasma in 2010, and another Panasonic Plasma in 2013. I used all of them for gaming and the 2010 Samsung and 2013 Panasonic got burn-in after 1-3 years (the 2008 Panny didn't get burn in, but died after 3 years). I bet if I just used them for movies they would have been fine.
@@lbpk5786 with those movie black bars it probably would've been worse.
Did you watch the video? This guy said that this plasma with it's "low mileage" still has a burn in in the upper right corner.
Great job with the comparison Vincent and I appreciate all the trouble you went through to get this captured on video with the cleanest presentation.
My daily driver is a 50 inch Kuro, still going strong after all these years.
Would have loved one of those, but couldn't afford one at the time. I ended up with a Panasonic TX-P42G10 back in 2009 and it's still going strong.
Just got a mint Kuro at an estate sale for $100, couldn't pass it up.
I still have my 50" Kuro but gave it to my kids last year. I bought a Panasonic GZ1000 last year and love it. The Pioneer plasma is hands down superior with fast motion, however the OLED is superior everywhere else.
No regrets going OLED but quite honestly could've stayed with my Kuro for another decade and I'm sure I'd still be happy
still rocking my as well!
Same here! My pioneer Pdp lx5090 is still a survivor in Full HD media and I won't replace it until it dies or catch a good 65" tv deal :)
Thanks for making this video, I was curious about Plasmas and this was very informative.
Thanks to this video I finally saw the true difference between an HDR and a non-HDR television side by side.
You are always the best!!!
It’s amazing how much more crisp the text on the plasma screen is when you pause the video.
I have 3 plasma panels and I’m keeping them. Nice at all angles and bright too.
Remember when they said plasmas burn out after 5 years ! I sill have some from over 10 years ago
@@wadevermeersch5401 was thinking the same iv seen a oled burn pixels way faster than the review vid but i think they just had a few poor quality ones
Got a GT60 and still love it doubt I’ll change it until it dies. Hi end Panasonic plasmas are so rare to buy used it gives you a good idea that people keep hold of them.
@@SteveE293 I just bought a used ZT65 from the first owner for €450.
i still love my 60u50 2012 panasonic plasma incredible picture even in the standard mode,esp playing blu rays on my panasonic bd 60 one of the best best blu ray players.i love the skin tones on the plasma very natural,great range in the contrast and the inky deep blacks.we also got Lg b9 oled and its got a amazing picture to but i still prefer
The Bond scene shows fabulously how bad the OLED is in showing moving objects compared to the plasma. See how much ghosting there is in the letter.
I didn't notice any of the plasma artifacts you mentioned with the other motion sample clips, but I did notice how badly the OLED stutters even with slow moving objects.
As someone who's been holding on to my Samsung 59"plasma (not the greatest, I know) seeing the difference in HDR and peak brightness has me convinced that OLED is the way forward for me. Thanks Vincent!
And still deeper blacks
Yeah that comparison did it for me too. Wow.
Me too! My Samsung F8500 and Panny st60 can now be retired.
You are really close to the next generation of tv: qned, and microled.
@@patrickm1092 Yup. Soon OLED will be yesterday's news. Micro LED will destroy it and next gen Mini-LED will equal it.
I have a Panasonic VT60 and a Pioneer Kuro plasma, and both still look awesome! Every time I turn them on (especially the Kuro) I’m just blown away by their color. Of course the newer 4K TV’s look more detailed than my 1080 p’s, and I have been looking to get a new TV during this Black Friday season. The Sony & LG OLED’s offer beautiful pictures and deep blacks, but the TV is going into our great room with skylights and lots of windows, and I worry about brightness and reflections. Several dealers I’ve spoken with tell me that they’ve put OLED’s in brighter rooms and it’s been fine, and that since I’m used to plasma I won’t be happy with an LED TV. Am considering the Sony 950 or 900 H, but I’m keeping both my plasma’s in any case. 😏
Thanks for the comparison-I enjoyed it.
Hello Vicent. Congratulations on your didactic information work. I wanted to ask you a question.
Do you recommend viewing HDR in a completely dark room with all lights off, or is it recommended to use a controlled light room with bias light properly placed behind the screen creating a 6500K temperature dim light halo for greater visual comfort and image interpretation?
Thank you
I got many good years out of my plasma. It beats LCD pic quality hands down.
The fact LCDs are still a thing is sad.
@@momsbasement656 LCD is good to have in a very bright room. They are extremely cheap to build. The vast majority of consumers just don't care to spend or can't afford what an oled costs.
@@kofine05lk43 they are still afraid of burn-in .
@@fullhd5277 Thanks to LCD propaganda.
plasma burn in was a much bigger problem than oled burn in and plasma lacked brightness and colors, just look at 15:25 if you are in doubt. thats why plasma did not sell well. most people wants vivid colors, not dull looking colors. oled can deliver a vivid image while still maintaining perfect blacks. i went from pana vt50 to lg c9 in 2019 and it was a huuuuge upgrade. seriously, night and day difference. not upgrading again before qd-oled or microled is a thing.
12:05, the Plasma looked better here, more details in the sky/stars and more details on the ground. I still rock a 65" VT60, 1080p BluRay looks gorgeous to me. OLED is nice, but to expensive if you gonna go bigger than 65".
The VT60/ZT60 is still a "movie king" tv with inky blacks and smooth motion. They still hold up well even in 2020.
I completely agree!
Great comparison!
This is what i was waiting for! Thanks!!
Excellent video. I spent hundreds repairing my plasma until OLED's came down in price to what I was comfortable spending because I simply couldn't bring myself to go from plasma to LED. That said, I love OLED and I especially love HDR. I'm not convinced that 4K brings much to me with a 55 inch display, but HDR is great and OLED is a beautiful picture overall.
Thanks for this excellent video Vincent (and all your other excellent ones!) - I was really interested to see this comparison. I still have my old 55" Panasonic TXP55VT65B (calibrated by yourself) now gathering dust upstairs since upgrading to my current LG OLED E6 and, though I can do my own very rough and subjective comparison from memory, was always interested to know how they'd fair head-to-head in a proper comparison. Of course I was subjectively blown away with the upgrade of the OLED over my old plasma - especially for 3D for which it's incomparably good and now, sadly, irreplaceable :( . But I still have fond memories of the excellent viewing experience of the Panny plasma. Best wishes and keep fighting the good fight for us videophiles!
You are the best!! Thank you for giving us your knowledge! Hello from Greece 🌞
Just bought the LG CX, almost everyone was impressed by the deep black of the OLED panel, but my parents have the Panasonic plasma at their house, and they were just feeling okay about the CX, the plasma is like 10 plus? years old now, and it’s still working fine, except a little bit dimmer than it used to be, and quiet hot and more power.
Haha! spoiled Plasma owners 😀
Plasma's "black" isn't that deep
@@b213videoz I keep trying to convince myself this as well as mine get greyed out in sunlight, but I also find myself back and forth on decommissioning my trusted tried and true ST65
Ben Smith curious how the feel about the Oled when they swap.
@@ben14326 For many a TV odyssey starts after Plasma.. Plasmas are not perfect, but once you change, you will realise how good they where in many regards..
Just discovered the channel. Thanks for a fascinating and informative video. I'm not sure if I missed it, but when you were matching the motion resolution, you said you were using minimum black frame insertion, but what intelligent frame creation setting were you using? I work at a place that sells Panasonic (though we don't have the HZ2000 in yet) and I would like to try it out at work.
Fantastic,
Thanks for this.
My vt65 is great, it shows a great picture, was really disappointed with my hz1000 as I didn’t notice much difference.
After a month I grudgingly admit there is a difference, the hz is far more detailed, it’s more evolution than revolution.
Input sources really matter a lot, DV is king.
Really cool review. I’ve always wondered about this. I have 2 plasmas still going strong. The last Panasonic and the last Samsung. I’m ready to upgrade but still like one in the bedroom, easy on the eyes. Thanks
I owned a few plasmas over a decade ago. For the time they were without question the very best possible display for the home. I had two Panasonic's and one Pioneer Kuro. I now own an LG C9 and Vincent mention the only two areas I miss about plasma; 24p judder and SDR upscaling. However for me neither are important enough to forgo all the advantages of OLED. Not to mention the two biggest issues with plasma, low peak brightness that declines over time and the impossible to avoid burn-in. The reason I upgrade to a Kuro was because of burn-in on the Panasonic. After a little over a year with the C9 I have no image burn-in at all even with some "abuse" with HDR gaming and their anxiety inducing HUD elements!
Plasma will always have a special place in my heart, it was a huge step above the LCDs of the same era but OLED is just such an amazing upgrade I wouldn't go back. Excellent comparison as always Vincent, brought back some great memories of setting up my first plasma and playing Wipeout HD on the PS3, good times :)
My G25 with 30k+ hours on it has not a hint of burn in and my c8 old has 6k hours and not a bit of burn in. Pc gaming every day and not one antenna ever hooked to either. No cable either. I only stream and download movies and have physical media. Burn in mainly comes from heavy television use. Channels with logos and crap like that. It all depends on how you use and how you take care of it.
Same issue. I have 50 508d kuro. And today i paid for delivery 65 cx. Using this tv only for ps4pro gaming and movies 1-2 time a month. Almost no sdr broadcast.
Am i going to be disappointed ?) or i love my new oled ?))
@@p4oen1x you won't be disappointed. The only rhing that disappointed me about my 65C8 is that not very long after that they came out with the c9 and it has hdmi2.1 which would give my 2080ti 120hz to my TV in 4k. But I found out later that doesn't seem to work either because the 2080ti doesn't have 2.1 hdmi. But on the other hand, I wouldn't have been able to pay only 1800 bucks for a 65 oled had I bought the brand newest one. There will always be something better next year and I may just wait for MicroLED.
greebuh yep, u right. About 2.1 - it was main reason for cx, and not for sony)
And nextgen consoles ofc.
no burn in on newer plasma. it is myth
My Panasonic GT50B sadly died in a recent thunderstorm, this has helped me a lot in the quest to find a worthy successor to a screen I really really enjoyed having. Aside from short term retention I never had an issue with burn in (and I did some pretty long sessions of GTA/Witcher 3), occasionally ran the scrolling bar anyway just in case. Wanted to gauge where the retention/burn in issue stood for OLED compared to the plasma's and your videos once again come to my rescue!
I still have and love my final gen 65" Samsung 3D Smart Plasma! I also still have a 50" LG Plasma in my bedroom that doubles as an excellent heater in the winter time lol.
Only mention of power usage and heat. My plasma radiates so much heat. The cats like to sleep near it not kidding.
All I know is that my friends who have wonderful OLED tv’s always say the same thing when they come to my house to watch a game: “there’s something about your tv that just looks better, just a way deeper and more realistic picture”.
ALL of my T.V’s are plasma. Panasonic to boot. I wish they’d come back with the technology.
Was a tv salesman in 2014, we had 60ZT65, i fell in love with this screen, price was cosmic, but picture quality and black color was so impressive. Its sad that plasma project was closed.
Do you think it would exceed oled if it never stopped? It is a force to be reckoned with if it can hang with new tech like this.
Thank you for this professional and profound review.
I get my Lg CX 65" today, the main issue that was not solved on the 4K OLED is upscaling 720p TV broadcast ! Watching 720p TV broadcast On my 50" Pansonic plasma is way better then on new 4k OLED...
I miss my 50" Pioneer Kuro monitor 😭. I calibrated myself, including ISF Day and night modes. Good times.
Still enjoying my 60 inch Kuro Pioneer No burn in
@Wiredog2112 gotta divorce too and gonna get mine whatever it takes! she love it but no way she's gonna take it :-)
What's the problem ? mine is with me now pioneer pdp-lx5090h
I remember back in the day, ABT was trying HARD to sell me the 2x the price Pioneer Plasma 720p over my Panasonic 1080p Plasma. I'm like bro, they are both plasma's, they should be shaking hands and laughing at every single LCD in the store. If I want 1080p, I'll get the 1080p I said. Other TVs aren't even in the same league. Money saved, but the Pioneer looked dayum fine. Meanwhile, I had my brother who just a Vizio LCD constantly talk about how LCD gets brighter than Plasma and I'm like, but you don't even know what brightness you need. The sun is brighter, don't mean it's good to stare into it.
Still have my low hour 6010.... might sell
what i'd really like to see is a comparison of the first gen 4k OLED the EF950 with the latest CX, its would be very inesteresting to see how OLED has improved, if very much at all.
There would be a difference in near-black gradation, HDR handling and such, but overall it's not much of a improvement I expected from the OLED tecnology in 5 years. It's still the best thing available on TV market, though.
@@86rattlehead CX gets brighter, has much lower input lag and handles motion better, significant improvements
I enjoyed your venture into plasma TV. I have the 'stralian version of that last 65" Panasonic plasma and the fan noise is a real irritation. I also have an older 50" Pioneer Kuro in a bright room and the reflections can be an issue. I discovered its fans while moving the TV, having never heard them running. The Kuro is still pleasing to watch and toast marshmallows from the heat it gives off. Thanks for your excellent service Vincent.
thank you. it's been so long since i wanted to see this video.
the HDR vs SDR bit was specially great.
In really bright scenes, the OLED clips and you can see the lost in detail. Also, the Plasma looks more natural and pleasing to the eyes. That Netflix scene at 21:01 looks amazing on the plasma. It smokes the OLED.
To this day, 2021, I still watch Netflix, BlueRay on my Panasonic Viera Plasma Smart Active 3D TV. With Yamaha 5.1 Network Receiver, It's a center entertainment in my home.
It's sad that Panasonic discontinued Plasma Tech years ago.
I have a p55st50 and I have a hard time justifying getting rid of my active 3D features. If I ever had to get another, I’d buy a used Panasonic plasma with 3d. Maybe with a larger screen as an upgrade
A magnificent and enjoyable comparsion here - great job and a professional approach as always Vinnie!
Magnificent comparison ????? Really. He compared SDR to HDR.
If he had compared SDR content on both displays it would have made the oled look inferior.
This guy convinced me to sell my 6000W 4k 120 inch Plasma TV and build a house out of OLED.
lol :D
I paid just under 2000e 13 years ago for a new Panasonic 50" plasma tv.
It's used daily and it still has a awesome picture especially with good Bluray films.
I Call that a bargain 😉
I picked up a VT50 in 65" flavour two years ago for under $400! My 7th or 8th plasma in 10 years. With bias lighting, blacks are beastly. BTW, what's that demo video playing at the start? No matter how technology evolves, I'll keep the old special stuff like CRT monitors and plasmas around for their *increasing narrowing* set of strengths for certain content.
Thank you for the comparison!! Highly informative for future buying choices.
I’ve never had anyone complain about my plasma tv not being bright enough…great comparison btw
Thank you for including plasma which has been overlooked I think. The only thing that would improve this comparison would be to also add in the best of HDCRT so all the pinnacle of each generation could stand alongside one another. I still use an XBR960 and ST60 plasma but plan to upgrade to OLED when my budget allows. The 960 is still remarkable in many aspects despite its flaws and drawbacks.
Large line TVs have a fairly poor focus and convegence at the edges of the screen. I believe that this is also the case with your copy. Of course non-existent imput lag and perfect motion are the advantages of line technology unbeaten to this day. As crt technology achieves the best results on smaller screen diagonals, I believe that the quality of crt technology can best present a quality crt monitor, not tv
I'm still happy with my Panasonic Plasma. The cost of ownership has been staggeringly low. Yet Brightness has always been a problem.
2 days ago calibrated my old dino Panny plasma (VT50) and image still spectacullar.Watched Hobbit and loved all dark scenes.Lush rich image leaves not much else to ask except bigger size.
I will be keeping my zt60 for another year after seeing this video. Was about to jump to oled but will hold off until the c11. Funny part was I was afraid of burn in back in 2013 and this tv has been my daily since then with no burn ins yet. 7 years later and still going strong. Just imagine where plasma would be with 4k hdr today
I ended getting a cx for 1850 at bestbuy. My plasma is listed for 800
You're a man of taste I see. I have the Panasonic VT60 and an LG CX. I love them both. The OLED is definitely better in most ways, but the VT60 is still an incredible TV that looks better than any LCD-based TV.
First off: thank you so much for this comparison. I've been waiting on this for years. I own the ZT60. I still hang on to my plasma for one single reason: 24p motion smoothness. I simply can't live with even the slightest of soap opera effect. I completely destroys my viewing experience.
but wouldn't the bfi min setting alleviate the judder on the oled? vincent didn't mention it at that point in the video
And what the result playing on the Oppo or Panasonic UHD BD Player to play 4K HDR content on ZT65 Plasma TV or 1080p using the Dynamic Range Conversion for HDR movies on 1080p tv´s? Would the image quality improve somewhat? Thx.
This is a good question.
HD Fury also makes 4k downscalers, so if you have a 1080p plasma, it is possible to get higher bit depth from Netfix and other services.
Just having 4K downscaled to 1080p 4:4:4 would be a pretty nice jump in quality. I would love to see that on my ZT60 (ZT65)
If you fire up the ZT60 to 120 nits, it doesn't have a lot of headroom left in near-white gradation. So, I guess the HDR downconversion wouldn't be very effective to extract new shades. Downsampling the 2160p 4:2:0 to 1080p 4:4:4 can be more useful.
Thanks Vincent! That's exactly what I was curios about...and it couldn't be explained better!
Ive been waiting for this!
I still have this plasma...and still happy with it. I do intend to upgrade, just had more important things to prioritise.
I jumped directly from a CRT (36'' Trinitron that weighed half a ton) to a plasma (2009) to an OLED (2016), and the plasma was probably the best middleground between the three technologies for SDR. Thankfully I never had to intentionally suffer an LCD panel in my home outside of PC stuff. I'll miss the better motion handling of the plasma with modern games, but OLED is slowly, and surely improving on that front. For everything else though, there's no comparison. Once you own an OLED, it's impossible to go back to anything else as a main viewing screen. Even the plasma that once looked like it had a great black level looks extremely raised in comparison. I do keep my plasma around though for 1080p console gaming. That still looks bad on a 4K screen by comparison.
I was looking for such a comparison yesterday and here you are
I’m so glad that I found this video!
Great comparison Vincent!
Sleep tight, Plasma-san.
I'm never giving up my 2014 Samsung Plasma...even after I eventually buy an OLED. Hail to the king!
Awesome video, so helpful and informative, was actually considering a bit a Plasma even in 2020, but this has made sure I did not make that mistake. Thank you!
Last year I picked up a used 50 inch Panasonic plasma for my game consoles. Slapped the PMCv2 MLL mod on it. It taught me lots of stuff about picture quality and now I can no longer look at low-end sets. Looking forward to OLEDs when PS5 comes out.
Copyright gone wrong when you have to blur 5 seconds of football footage in a TV comparison video :-(
More that the biased and unfriendly CZcams system would take it out. That amount of footage typically goes unnoticed by the actual publisher.
As someone who is finally upgrading from plasma to OLED later this year (fingers crossed), this video is great!
This is me. I'm looking forward to a generational leap in experience.
Robin I’m doing it now, getting an LG OLED CX tomorrow replacing my Panasonic plasma which I’ve had for 15 years. I’m mostly nervous about burn in. Never had any on the plasma.
@@woolgum There have been many advancements that should make burn in a LOT less likely on an OLED. Just be mindful about not having TV channels or game HUDS on screen for too long.
Robin how long is too long though? If I play PS5 for 5 hours straight would that be okay? I don’t watch regular TV but some movies and UFC events.
I've had the OLED for a couple of weeks now and the upgrade from my 11 year old plasma is mind-blowing. So far so good. Will make sure I'm using all the anti burn-in features (logo dimming, etc).
I've had a Panny ST 65" plasma for 9 years, - great TV, never missed a beat. I've just pulled the trigger on a 4K OLED... - will find out next week if it was worth the upgrade!?!
Oh mate sorry to break it to you, but while very bright they have SO MUCH JUDDER
And how good is your OLED in comparison to ST65 ?
@@daisyduck8593 I have so far watched it with standard blurays & HD content via Netflix & CZcams. I will be getting a 4k player soon, and upgrading my Netflix subscription.
I have noticed the very odd bit of judder, it's not that common and seems to depend on the source...
It's definitely offers more detail than my plasma, - and the big difference is the contrast, - particularly with blacks (when watching a film within a 'letter box', the bars are completely invisible (I have a false wall so it's impossible under low lighting to see where the actual tv frame begins or ends).
I am very looking forward to watching more UHD content, however, for the moment I'm hugely pleased with my TV, - I have a hi-end sound system, and I feel that the picture has caught up with the sound if you see what I mean.
As happy as I am with the OLED, I also now appreciate how good that plasma was, - given that it's 10 years older, it's not a million miles away.
@@Ma1efcent Sounds like the same experience i had with my last 3 smartphones with QHD OLED display.
@@Ma1efcent Oled will never beat plasma. The main issue is that while oled can get 0 blacks, they cannot go from 0 black to white instantly like plasma does. This is why you get slow response times, (black smearing) and poor near black handling, (quantization error). When an oled pixel is on, it is very fast but to mimic a plasma, you have to calibrate it with a non 0 black level. Like 0.001 cdm2. Your native contrast ratio will be still high like 100,000:1 and you will get minimal black smearing effect. Just hope that the uniformity at that black level is decent 😂
Back in 2009, I purchased a Panasonic TC-P42G15 because it provided the best TV image I was able to find. It's still my TV today. Of course, there have been many advances in TV technology over the years with the development of OLED, Mini-LED, 4K and now 8K, not to mention that much larger displays are becoming common. So, I have been begun looking more seriously at upgrading my TV, particularly as the 42" screen has never been ideal for viewing letterboxed films. But, being retired and living on a pension, making a major purchase like this is something I'm approaching cautiously. Your review has been very helpful to improve my understanding not only of what I will gain by getting a new OLED but also the benefits my own plasma set has that make it still one of the best 1080p sets available. Thank you.
I'm also considering upgrading. My Panasonic is 42 in 720p which simply can't compete with 4k for detail. That said, the plasma is still running well 12 years on.