Palestinian and Jew don't hold back on Gaza
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If even half of Palestinians were like him, there would have been peace already one century ago.
you dont get it
they dont want a state
they want israel gone and the jews to either be slaughtered, expelled or returned to dhimmi status
he is no different than the rest
Agreed!!!!!!
How can you tell...a mouth can say anything...
We can't know for sure but it is very plausible to assume that if the vast majority of Palestinians were like this guy then peace seems very tangible....Because he is a moderate and with people like that negotiation is actually possible @@anthonycharnock6560
@@anthonycharnock6560If I was Palestinian I would hate everyone including God
When people expect Israel's response to be proportional then they are working under the assumption that Israel is just punishing Hamas or Gaza for the brutal attack on October 7th. This is not the case. If Israel could have rescued the hostages and get rid of Hamas without having a single civilian casualty then they would've chosen to do so.
Nope they cant do that. You people assume that hamas is on its own and palestinian people are not supporting them but in reality they support hamas as hamas is the govt in the gaza region. So if israel goes their woth special troops then the populace will alert the hamas people and hamas generally wears civilian clothes and because of this it is very difficult see who is civilian and who is fighter.
Yup. About a million people died in the war in iraq. We leveled so many towns and cities In response to 9/11. Even though iraq likely had nothing to do with that attack lol. And a lot of people today argue that invading iraq was a mistake. But as usual we don't see the UN Do anything about it. But when it comes to Israel they get more UN claims than all the arab world combined. Proportionate would be crossing the border kidnapping palestinian babies, Burning families alive trapped in their house. But only killing 1400 people, thats fair. It's an absurd claim that war needs to be proportionate. You don't defeat an enemy by using an equal amount of force.
I feel bad for the palestinian people that were born into this conflict. But people don't realize how radical a significant portion of palestine is. What they believe in and how they look at the jews. I don't think a two state solution is possible. And a one state solution only would be possible if the one state is Israel. Absorb the palestinian territories and people. Weed out the extremists. And work on improving the lives of palestinian arabs. Same as israeli muslims living in israel now. You would be able to achieve a better quality of life living under israel than just another arab muslim state full of radical leaders. Bring them into the fold. Because there is no scenario where jews are going to live under the rule of an islamic state. They claim they want democracy & equal rights. Well where do you see that in any of the islamic nations right now? Why do they think it will be different in palestine
@@mythicalhistorian3516and they are backed by Iran and Hezbollah.
100%
@daves465 I agree, life is so precious in the Israeli psyche
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He who chooses one side unequivocally in any conflict is categorically a fool. Supporting one side without any critical thinking is lazy. Laziness is a choice. Choose better.
@rj9473 imagine applying the same logic to nazi Germany.
@@rj9473 You should apply your own logic before you speak. CHOOSE BETTER.
@@akjr820 This isn't Nazi Germany though, is it.
The funny thing is: there never was a country 'Palestine'. Before 48, the British mandate territory was called Palestine-Erets Israel. The 'Erets Israel' part was left conveniantly out for political reasons...It was British. Before that Ottoman....
In '47 the jews wanted a 2 state solution. The arabs didn't and attacked the jews instead (a few arab nations were involved). This became the 'nakba' because the jews succesfully protected themselves.
Arabs are a 20th century creation as well there was never a people known as Arabs.
When the media and others use the term 'Nakba', they seem to always accept the narrative of Palestinian expulsion. The term itself shows their bias these days.
In the BCE era there was a Palestine
@@whoahna8438 not independent
@@captainfungi4711 doesn't matter but ironically at that time there was no place called Israel
Interesting interview. The goal of Hamas on October 7 was escalation. And escalation is what they got.
Exactly
No it was not. It was a way of destroying the peace that wasn't there anyway. There have been escalations more or less always from both sides for 80 years
They literally said that they will do it again and again until Israel will not be anymore. They said that like two weeks ago
Two sensible adults having a civilised, reasonable discussion about really difficult and complicated issues of war. Having different viewpoints on certain things but finding some common ground and respecting each other. Setting a great example.
there is no King of Palestine in history...
... but King of Israel.
Are u saying there was or not?
@@lordfriza9887 What is the difference? Now that's history, it happened in the past... Of course I'm talking about history, where in the past there was never a Palestinian king... To be honest, I'm an Indonesian speaker who doesn't really care about tenses.
@@johnsonaritonang1750 Lol, based on your logic a coloinizer can come and conquer your land and claim as theirs and expel all of you out of the land, while you have no right to reclaim it because "Now that's history, it happened in the past"
@@MyG-kc2id So what is your logic? Killing all? Or live in peace?
He seemed sweet but still missing the reality. His family was not killed from indiscriminately dropped bombs. They were likely killed because hamas wouldn't let them leave. Also he thinks the comparison to WW2 means people are saying "we did terrible things then so we are excusing Israel doing terrible things now". He's not understanding that evil MUST be eradicated. Maybe I missed it, but I didn't hear him say once that he was saddened my the massacre committed against civilian Israelis.
I thought just the same. This is not the first time IDF is fighting Hamas. After every military operation a special investigation commission analyses every single strike and action taken, and if there was a violation of international law or Geneva convention, the Palestinians would tear their lungs shouting out to the world about it. in 2014 the "death rate" was 1:1 if I'm not mistaken (I might mix it with another round in Gaza, but the rate is more or less the same), meaning that to one dead combatant there's one dead civilian. To compare: in Mosul where US was bombing ISIS the rate was 1:9. This rate shows that IDF really does its best to save civilians lives.
Another thing I've noticed, is the question "why innocent people are bombed?". Well, I would address that question to Hamas, why is he using innocent people as human shields and even brags about it on TV. Israelis are bombed every single day, the reason they don't die in thousands is the Iron Dome, technological miracle, where just one Tamir missile worth about 50,000$ designed to intersect the missile worth 100 bucks max. Country that is ready to spend so much money, to develop complicated and smart system to protect their citizens cannot be brutal and "genocidal" to other civilians. It just doesn't work that way.
I agree with both of you. The loss of innocent life on both sides is a tragedy, and it breaks the families the same way on both sides….
The true tragedy is the mentality of Hamas that will stop at nothing to comit terror attacks, October 7th was just insane and it’s recorded on body cameras by Hamas themselves for the world to see. Israel clearly has no choice but to respond after something like that….
Hamas is to blame for the leveling of Gaza. Their leaders sit safe in Qatar living a life of luxury while the people suffer unimaginable tragedy in Gaza.
Tbf the most respectful and rational of all the people I have spoke on Hamas and Israel
I agree but it is hurtful how 99% of those who are pro Palestine just try to erase Jewish history while Israel wanted to help Palestinians not in the cost of her own civilians of course....
And that's really sad isn't it? It's 2023 I expected better. Soo disappointed.
I would love to hear more people like them debate like this in a civil manor unlike the two guest on Pierce Morgan show. I understand their passion that's why they were shouting at each other but that's not a debate.
Brilliant debate, thanks. Pity it's so good we can't see the rest of it for free. Keep up the good work.👍
A very cordial and respectful debate …
The Palestinian young man (I don’t know his name) has a valid argument and put it forward politely, instead of the usual ranting that pollutes CZcams.
I have yet to see a non-biased Palestinian argument that wins over the Israeli (Jewish) facts and history.
He conveniently forgets that they all were celebrating the massacre in the streets of Gaza, children included.
what is the valid argument? the bs use of proportionality?
We did discuss that, we'll release that clip.
@@Israel_Advocacythank you Joseph
Xmulim here
@@Israel_Advocacythe celebration in the streets?
Been rewatching all your old streams with Zionist Salon, Jewminati & the debates on this channel. SO happy to see this in my uploads. Stay safe Brother Joseph, Shalom from Portsmouth 🙏🏻🇮🇱❤️✡️
Thank both of you for having this conversation and sharing it with the public.
Piers Morgan should have invited these 2 instead of Hijab and Schmulley. 🤦♂️
Fr🤦♀️ the debate was atrocious. They both kept interrupting each other. It served no purpose
Hijab was the one derailing that discussion
💯 % agree, at least these two gentlemen can have a proper debate without screaming over the top of each other.
Amazing how an actual civilized discussion can take place. Very impressive dialogue between two people in debating a deep, complex, and obviously personal issue. Respect!
I would love to see more of this calm approach to communication with the other side. THIS IS THE PATH TO A REAL RESOLUTION!
Good interview. Very respectable. If only even half of Palestinians were as greathearted and minded as him. He speaks fully to how I am and immediately I resonate and acknowledge.
And also. Lets also reckognise how, if a (pro) Palestinian person is debating without slander, hate, etc, that discussions are actually very respectable. And this is 95% not the case. Hence my respect to the yount Palestinian man for his civilized behavior
i am so proud of this interview!!!! wow!! the fact that a palestinian and jew agreed to sit down together, and there is no shouting!!! kol hakavod!
The love from a Cohen is something the world has to understand. The Cohen is always the one who has to bring the news to a family and they serve the Jewish people out of love. We consider them as the greatest of our nation. Keep showing the world your love for humanity.
Brilliant Conversation ! Civilised. I Would love to see more of this. Hyde Park Corner is just embarrassing, full of hatered, biggoted views, unsincere, shouting and, forced conversions🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you
@@Israel_Advocacyindeed Judaism is closest to our religion (islam) than any other religion. I only respect Judaism after islam.
But what you did to 6000+ children and babies will be remembered and will be avenged !
World saw it online ! Hundreds of images of childrens☠️
You can't hide the cries of hundred thousands !
Stay strong Joseph. Sending you love and support from Christians in Canada
Sorry to sound harsh, but where is the reasonable expectation that this younger generation of Palestinians are going to be more liberal and anti-Hamas as previous generations? The Palestinians (in general) have been causing chaos wherever they have been for decades. The children are indoctrinated, and, yes, that's not their fault. But it's also not the responsibility of the Jewish people. So, sad as it may be, the fate of Palestinian children has been decided by Hamas, who their parents supported. There is no nice way to say this, but Israel is not to blame in any way shape or form.
Humans have caused chaos for millennia. Look at the climate - that wasn’t us. Who’s to say that future generations won’t sell arms and drop nuclear bombs ?
Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, Saudi Arabia… none of them want the Palestinians after what they’ve done when allowed to go into those countries. They may yell and scream on T.V., but the moment the international community asks them to open their borders to the Palestinians, they say no.
Where does that come from that «the Palestinians have been causing chaos wherever they have been for decades»?
@@SigMaQuint Let’s see… 🤔 Black September (Jordan), causing civil unrest or civil wars in other countries (Lebanon, Kuwait, etc.). The Islamic Jihad and Hamas dress their fighters in civilian clothes so they can cry “you’ve killed civilians!” (and not just with the current war, they’ve done this before). After several generations of living in Gaza and Judea and Samaria, governed by their own elections, they still call themselves “refugees” and still call Israel “occupiers.” They get billions of dollars in aide, yet the money is siphoned off to the leaders who live lavishly in Qatar. Not a single Arab state wants to take in Palestinians. Not one. Not Egypt. Not Jordan. Not Saudi Arabia. None of them. If you have to ask why, you need to delve into the history of what the people who now call themselves Palestinians have done.
@@heatblair ok. That explains something.
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Thank you for doing this work of communication. ❤❤❤
Oh man this is the best advertisement for a membership ever. I’ve got to see that 2 hour interview what a great discussion
You seem like good friends. It's quite touching actually
Joseph - Hamas is not "responsible," they're "Culpable." The difference is not minute.
Thank you for your work
I thought the far right didn't like Jews. Its not the right screaming "from the river to the sea".
antisemitism takes many forms
if you cant condemn all of it, you are part of the problem
Thanks!
I did not see the full video but I can sit and listen to people who can listen to each other without shouting at each other. People can disagree but still have a conversation. I embrace this kind of reasoning. My heart breaks for the loss of life.
Dont lock the debates behind money the world needs to hear this stuff, ask for more donations
Thanks
Very interesting conversation i hope more will watch this
Fantastic interaction.
Joseph, your mic making you look like Darth Vader 😂😂
is the full conversation uploaded already? can't seem to find it...
Yes, its in the members section :)
@@Israel_AdvocacyI understand that you have expenses to film and produce this content but in this hard times for Israel a very logical thing would be to release the full version for everyone. I’m totally with Israel and right now it would be a great help to change the mindset of people. It’s a small sacrifice for a much bigger cause. I would appreciate your comment and I appreciate your points and stand. Thank you
Where can I see the full discussion?
Where can we watch the whole conversation?
I believe it's a shame that this video is not avaible in it's full contents, for free. I think what people need to hear most now is a grounded conversation about this matter. I understand the need of making a living, but please consider making an exception for 1 video, especialy during these times.
reality:
1- Before the modern state of Israel, there was a British mandate, not a Palestinien state (1920 - 1948)
2- Before British rule, there was an Ottoman Empire, not a Palestinien state.(1516-1921)
3- Before the Ottoman Empire, there was the Mamluk Islamic monarchy of Egypt, not a Palestimian atate.(1291 -1517)
4- Before the Mamluk rule of Egypt, there was the Ayyubid dynasty, not a Palestinian stat. Godfrey Bouillon conquered it in 2099.
5- Before the Fatimid caliphate, there was a Byzantine Empire, not a Palestinian state. (634-1099)
6- Before the Christian Kingdom of Jerusalem, there was a Fatimid Valiphate, not a Palestinian state.(1099 to 1291 AD)
8- Before the Byzantine Empire, there was the Roman Empire and Before the Roman Empire, there was Hamoni dynasty and Before the Hamonian there was Seleucid
Empire and Alexander III of Macsdonia and Before Alexander III there was Iranian Empire 539 BC to the second century AD.
7- Before the Babylonian Empire, there was a kingdom of Israel and Judea, not Palestinan state (550 BC - 1200)
8- Before the Kingdom of Israel, there were 12 tribes of Israel and there was a single state of Canaan not a state of Palestine (1000BC- 2000).
In fact , there was everything in this corner of the History of Earth except a Palestinian state!?
Where can we listen to whole conversation?
Is he darts vader? What's those flashing lights about? 😂😂😂
My condolences!
I finally found a nice Palestinian person.
You are right. Sometimes typos appear due tu AI
I like this kid he’s very reasonable and can have a civilized conversation unlike those other supporters
Props to both of you for being respectful.
Clickbait thumbnail though
Its interesting how sometime people say forget about the history lets concentrate on now and other times they say no thats our history and its important.
Good vs. Evil, civilization versus barbarians. Benji's rhetoric explains what's going on and it's thoroughly and totally disgusting and criminal.
palestinians believe in dar el islam and dar el harb. taking over the world with violence is disgusting
Woah! A talking soap :0
As so often, the madness is everywhere, instead of two men showing that with a different view y
you can coexist.
This young man has such a good heart, he deserves nothing but the best. If they were all like him there would be no conflict and there could be one state
Thank you both for finally letting me see a reasonable, understanding, kind and sincere conversation about this topic/conflict. I want to say something to the Palestinian guy (couldn't find the name, sorry). You ask what would justify this, well, our country's enemy, has our people as hostages, as much as I'm truly truly devastated for any innocent life lost, you can't expect our country to take more care of the people of that don't do much regarding their situation where they have terrorists as leaders (I myself would live the place immediately) more thant caring about our own people, being terrorized and scared to death in captivity, has no way of communicating and being treated very poorly.. I don't know if you can imagine the experience of a hostage, and now for over almost 3 months, if I was living in Gaza I would do anything to help those hostages, and not keep talking about how Israel actions trying to get their hostages back is proportionate or not.
hey, palestinian here, I'm saying this as someone who's family managed to escape some decades before. I truly feel horrible for any lives lost and the hostages. I think that no matter if a hostage said they had a 'good' experience, if doesn't change the fact they had to go through something traumatising. It is horrific to be taken as a hostage and not know what will come of you, or to be treated horribly. however, I find your words somewhat one-sided if that makes sense? sorry, don't know if that's the best word to explain it but reading your comment I was somewhat confused. we have hostages, they've been locked in prisons without reason for years and they get mistreated. they don't need an actual reason to be arrested, they just are. and, about just 'leaving the place' if I told you to just up and leave your place I think you'd feel something. It's your place, you know? not only that, but where would they go? we have had to move constantly. I will never get to see my country. It is rubble and our trees no longer fester as they did. my family home is not ours anymore, and my memories of my grandmother (who had managed to flee) are only of her grabbing my hand as fireworks shoot of for a festival, or of me laying in bed beside her as she tells me that we will escape when the morning comes. I completely feel horrible for those who have suffered, who have lost friends, family, who had them taken away, held hostage, and having to live with that every day. but please understand that this has lived with my people too for decades. we are a community. I don't wish to abandon my people. hope you don't take this as some attack I don't mean it that way
condemn radical islam and hamas, not the israelis, crazy world we live in. God bless israel. and wont forsake them
I would like so much to ask this one question: even if Palestinians would get the whole of Israel as their territory, how would they finance it? Since 75 years 100% of their budget is payed for by the USA (60%) and the EU (30%). And we are fed up with paying for their 8 children per woman with our tax money. So again, how is this free free Palestine going to finance itself?
Israel is the only country held to this proportionality standard. It's almost as if there should be 0 collateral deaths
How do you work our what a proportional response is the the Hamas attack?
I'd love to speak to you somehow, former IDF and I've got some opinions and takes which I haven't seen talked about yet.
Cheers
My balanced message has been deleted. What on earth is going on with ability to debate on youtube. I read shockingly offensive things yet historical facts are deleted. This is wrong
ikr. Arab money.
Its the algorithm, we don't delete comments (unless they're super annoying).
*_It happens to me all the time, comments censored and deleted even for the most innocuous, inoffensive content. The_*
*_truth and facts aren't allowed it seems too, and the most likely because I'm on some 'Naughty truth teller' list now ..._*
It happens to me all the time. Truth isn't allowed nowadays.
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sound quality needs improvement, very quiet audio and hard to follow with the auto subtitles
is it just me that can barely hear this or does anyone else have that problem?
Shame about his audio but interesting nonetheless
Both sides want peace???
Turn to the Prince of Peace
Repent & follow Jesus Christ
He’s our only hope for salvation ✌🏼
Maybe it was just me, but you may want to have the Mics higher up to the collar of the shirt. It was difficult to hear, especially the 'Palestinian' guy.
I am eager to hear his answer on what he thinks Israel should do to retaliate...
There’s a fundamental misunderstanding of what war is and realities of the world. War is messy, it’s imprecise & innocents will die. The Palestinian guy (sorry I forget his name) seems to be under this idea that there was other options that there is somehow a ‘clean’ way to deal with Hamas. I totally understand his perspective but this is where a lot of people are at, they just can’t accept that war can and will happen and that it needs to happen sometimes. The nato bombings in Bosnia also killed innocents but it stopped more in the future. This is the nature of war.
Credit for the young man to be so receptive in the face of his family’s loss.
Thanks for this interview and you both.
It's so lazy to always compare everything to the Nazis but I'm going to have to because there is such a strong similarity between the two. It seems like both of these people recognize the fact that Hamas was democratically elected. Both acknowledge the fact that Hamas has since banned further elections. Meaning the people fighting for Hamas were likely not of voting age when Hamas came to power. And (I'm new to this channel so I'm unfamiliar with names) the Jewish bloke rightly points out that Hamas schools are teaching Hamas propaganda to the children. And all I can think of when I hear all of this is the Nazis were elected to power. The Nazis refused to hold further elections. Many young soldiers fighting for the Nazis in WWII were never involved in any democratic elections. And all of the kids who fought were indoctrinated in Nazi funded schools. The similarity is too stark to be ignored. Hitler was an authoritarian dictator using his power to control a people who did elect him, but are now stuck with him however they may feel now and who many follow because they think they have no other options. Hamas is the same
What is proportion to beaheaded babies?!
Ask Abbas to start negotiating with the Israel GOV to talk back about the two states. Both side need to recognize each other.
My question is. If your enemy has the power to make you disappear from the map why would you try in the first place?
What happened to UNWRA BILLIONS.
The Palestinian seemed to have miss the point, while I do believe his heart is pure… he’s just missing it… “indescriminately” is what happened in Israel…
Palastinians may not have the resources but 4 Hamas leaders have 11 billion dollars in their bank accounts
It was a good discussion - but I did not find it equal. While the young Palestinian man was respectful, and he was trying, he is still parroting a lot of the talking points of the protesters. I think also that his age definitely shows - there is a lack of maturity, and depth of education. The Israeli man (as most Israelis) is much more deeply versed in the facts and history of the situation and the region.
So while I applaud the effort - and we need more of it, as an Israeli who is almost an old woman, I thought the Israeli had an advantage. There are very few 20-somethings who can out debate an informed adult with a 10+ year age advantage. Life experience simply prohibits it.
It would be interesting to see the 2 following discussions:
Equal age and experience living in the region (Israel and Gaza) between adults - intent on peace, not the talk show shouting matches we have seen.
Conversation between 2 youths of equal age and experience - the fire is burning hot on both sides in this age group.
The guy never addresses Josef's point.
It's interesting how the Palestinian man seems to know almost nothing about the history of the region he comes from.
Seems like this guy wants Israel to constantly be on the defensive because I don't think he knows that Hamas is also launching rockets
What is proportionate retaliation?
You want the Israelis to do what Hamas did to the innocent 1400 civilians?
Shot in their backs while running away, butchered, raped and beheaded?
Did Hamas declare war and gave the civilians time to run to safety?
У араба полностью сбит моральный код .
I find it absurde that so many people don't understand that a war, any war implicate the death of civilians (men, women and children) usually without any warning whatsoever and often civilians are going through many other atrocieties as well. This should be common knowledge and it is, even if we don't want it to be. I notice this inexplicable lack of knowledge and complete delusional mindset when someone observe or study any war that went on, both in the past and in the present . What do people expect to happen in a war? We say and rightly so, that wars are horrible. Wars ARE horrible and this is the reason, because innocent people always die.
War is fought between sovereign countries with army. Israel has a blockade against Gaza and enforces complete demilitarization. People see it as an occupying force that is bombing a densely populated city killing civilian indiscriminately. Israel has committed countless war crimes in Gaza past and present while violating international criminal law. Simply compare it with recent war in Ukraine. 10k civilians and 560 children has died in Ukraine Russia war over the course of 1 year, Israel has killed 20k civilian 8k children in under 2 months. The rate of civilian causality is astonishing under such a short term and people are just not buying IDF propaganda that they care about Gaza civilians. Sure in every war, civilian casualties happen, but that is why it must abide by International law to minimize civilian casualties instead they completely violate it.
Shutting off food and water to a million population, preventing aid and medicine, hospitals without electricity leading to further death, bombing 22 hospitals, telling civilian to evacuated to safe zones and bombing those safe zone with unguided dumb bombs, bombing refugee camps, Israelis snipers shooting at journalist and civilians. These actions of Israel leads many to believe that it does not care about civilian causality or the hostages that could also die from these bombs. Its primary objective is just a display of power and revenge under the guise of saving hostages or hunting Hamas as IDF can't tell who is Hamas or civilian. USA did the exact same thing after 9/11 with Iraq war (display of power) as per declassified documents from Bush Administration.
Money can hire someone go to hell😢 nowadays people need only the interests. They forget everything. Scam, steal, kill ,drug, fraud etc.
Why Israel has the moral obligation to protect civilians on both sides?
Why is one person much louder than the other....sort out your mic gains lol
Does the Palestinian dude think that the new generation of Gazans isn't as pro-Hamas as the generation that elected them?
Every time Joseph mentions the far right he loses credibility
Out of curiosity, is Joseph Cohen half-Jewish by ancestry? Not that it would effect his Jewish status or anything, just curious.
А не были ли его кузины бойцами хамас ?
Like what he said he is only 4 years old when hamas was elected, he can't do anything about it. Now that he is a grown up, why isn't he making a difference, and change the lives of his fellow men?
There are also people who did not elect hamas because they were young, like him. They are still being oppressed by hamas. Sitting down and talk doesn't help a single thing.
IS HAMAS LEADERSHIP GOING TO APOLOGIZE & ASK FORGIVENESS & PROMISE TO NEVER DO THAT AGAIN , AFTER THEY SAID THEY WOULD / WILL DO IT - AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN .
Jews and muslims have more in common then differences.
Im muslims but after finding out i am ashkenazi on my mums side have started looking into judaism. Israel vs palestine is a conflict where muslims tend to rally behind due to 1 side being jewish. Problem is muslims dont condemn atrocities committed by muslims.
What I never understood in this kind of debates is: Why is the guy on the left calling himself a Palestinian??
Can anyone explain me?
There was never a Palestinian state. There were only arabs coming from Agypt Syria and Jordan in 1880 to Jewish land for work, since Jews started to rebuild Jerusalem since 1700 and the economy started to boom. former Judea and called by the Romans Palestine.
The original Phillistines came from Greece and were non arab non muslim Geeeks who believed in many gods.
Jews are the original people from that land however you want to call it Canaan, Judea, Zion, Israel, Palestine.
Jews lived there in majority for 4000 years and after the expulsion by the Romans 2000 years ago, still 100-10000 Jews lived in Jerusalem at any given time. There has never been any other state there besides the Jewish state. And some occupying powers like the Romans or Ottomans or British were there for short periods of time.
So why is he calling himself a Palestinian?
He is actually a Agyption, Syrian, Jordanian or Saudi Arabia arab who lived in Gaza, because arab countries pressed on the arabs to move out of Israel.
Those who stayed are now Israeli arabs (2 million) who live at the highest western standard.
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Myst say this is probably the most normal conversation thats ive seen fair play to both of you if only it could be like this on a big scale then maybe just maybe we could get somewhere
04:00 What the Palestinian here (sorry don't know your name) is saying about the people of gaza not having the resources to build the Singapore of the middle east, he is wrong on many levels, firstly when Israel left gaza they left it with a thriving export business of flowers, fruit and veg, what was the first thing the palastinians did? They burnt all the greenhouses, gaza is most likely the highest monetary recipient of aid per capita, where did all this money go? To build tunnels, rockets and billion dollar portfolio's for its leaders living in Qatar. Please dont say they didn't have the resources.
Is he not angry with Hamas???
I blame Hamas.
Is it that important, when Israel disengaged? The fact itself is important, not crying about how long the Israel was there.
CONDEMN HAMAS , REACTION / CONSEQUENCES OF HEIR ACTIONS