Соколов великолепен! Очень по-бетховенски. Симфонично и цельно! А ведь если б я не жила за железным занавесом, могла бы в 1985 году попытаться попасть на этот концерт в Париже...
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I have heard Sokolov at least 15 times by now and more often than not have left the Recital with the conviction that it must be the finest piano playing I ever heard. But not every time. Even Sokolov must be permitted to deliver a less than first rate performance now and then. In my opinion this performance lacks the urgency and commitment present in Sokolovs best concerts e.g Chopins first with Rowicki or Brahms second with Li-Jua. I think 1985 was also the year Sokolov recorded the Diabelli variations. Anybody disappointed by the Emperor should try that incredible interpretation .
Sokolov played even better Brahms piano concerto 2 with the Finnish Radio Symphony with Jukka-Pekka Saraste.Also Sokolov his Chopin piano concerto 2 playing is much better than Chopin 1 concerto.
@@RaineriHakkarainen To you, and gyth001, Sokolov plays at his finest every time, he is nonhuman. His Chopin 1 is perfect, what is it about you dont like?
Mr Pleskachevsky wrote here that the performance is "remarkable in form and technique" yet "devoid of meaning". This is difficult for me to understand, as in my thinking, form and meaning are inextricably related. Meaning being the meaning/intent of form, form being the form/shape of meaning. What I sense in this performance is an attempt to bring to the forefront the "descriptive" aspects of this highly complex work: the church-bells tolling in the countryside which Beethoven complained about not hearing any more (and hence imagining here) interrupted by the martial sounds of infantry armies approaching (the Napoleontic wars), the eerie cascades of minor scales suggesting almost Shostakovian angst (his 13th symphony) in the absence of peace (which maybe only Soviet musicians were able to convey in late XXth-century times), yet resolve of strongly paced wanderings through Nature and joy over Her talent for reconciliation and "harmonisation" of everything - and this, along the thesis-antithesis-synthesis lines of German idealist philosophy is what Beethoven, an avid reader of philosophy, has attempted to do and succeeded in doing... (I add the "succeeded" because the 5th is generally considered the lesser younger brother of the 4th - which it is not to me: their form, and hence their meaning, and hence their form, and hence their meaning, and... is just different)...
Better explained impossible. Not every interpration has to be a plethora of fealing, with abrupt contrasts in rythmic or dynamic nature. Sometimes just a descriptive meditation of nature or human experience can take you to interesting places and see things in another perspective.
How interesting. Mr. Pleskachevsky wrote a critic about this very performance? I kind of agree with him. Sokolov is perfection in technique and form, but he plays like he doesn't wanna express himself, and that's necessary in great art. That's what makes the difference between him and Arrau for instance. Arrau not only play the piece well, but he put in it all his soul, his maturity as a human being, his warmth, his courage, his personality. Whereas Sokolov plays as he wants to abstract himself from the music and being "objective". And when you don't express a human soul rich in values into the music there is no art, but when you do, then the music has "meaning".
Султанов играет похоже. Хотя он не упоминал Г.Соколова среди тех, на кого он опирался в период становления, но есть связи - в чистоте и хрустальности звукоизвлечения.
Stephen Cuunyieng ...you commented that Sokolov does not play concertos any longer. I believe this is not correct and I hope I am right because on Google there are several indications that he still tours. There are two sites which show his touring calendar for 2019 ( all in Europe and none in Australia unfortunately ).
@@binglebinglebingle The Truth is that Sokolov wants That All whole art is his own hands! That is Why No concertos! Sokolov Said( The Finnish Radio interview) where i.found The Good conductor and The Big Symphony Orchestra whos going to play like me Grigory Sokolov want! Grigory Sokolov his Chopin piano concerto no 2! Brahms piano concerto no 2! Mozart piano.concerto no 24 Saint-Saens piano concerto no 2! After Sokolov played These concertos then All The others pianists Are really only The DUST ZEROS!!
G.Sokolov the giant titan of the piano.From 11.11 to 12.00 i think Ashkenazy is better with his volcano furious touch.M.Pletnev said that there are not a single perfect playing recordings of Beethoven 5.Pletnev tought that the closest perfect was A.Benedetti Michelangeli playing Beethoven 5 concerto. To me A.Bedetti Michelangeli was like machine.Pletnen the hardest hitter most powerful pianits of all time(Lazar Berman was loud but Pletnev louder
Dear d2d4e6, when you claim that "G.Sokolov the giant titan of the piano", this statement is your (and generally accepted) point of view. Agree that I have every right not to share this view. As well as your statement that "Pletnev is the hardest hitter most powerful pianits". You are talking about how technically perfect Beethoven 5 was performed. But I think about what this performance personally gives me. From my point of view, it is Pletnev's performance that gives me much, very much... Regarding Michelangeli, I, perhaps, agree with you. He reminds me of an ideally polished marble statue: it's beautiful, but if you touch it, you'll feel the cold ...
Well, a listener lacking lucidity and understanding DOES have the right to an opinion/point of view. Who knows? Maybe in IgnoranceLand, this version lacks meaning. Besides that, this orchestra is a pain
Totally agree with you. I find Murray Perahia's interpretation of this piece infinitely more moving and nuanced. But that's just my individual opinion.
ソコロフは神ピアノの神です
Соколов великолепен! Очень по-бетховенски. Симфонично и цельно! А ведь если б я не жила за железным занавесом, могла бы в 1985 году попытаться попасть на этот концерт в Париже...
Соколов жил за ним вместе с вами.
splendid,inaltator!!!!!
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thank you for this deeply appreciated post. sorry Sokolov no longer pays concertos
I have heard Sokolov at least 15 times by now and more often than not have left the Recital with the conviction that it must be the finest piano playing I ever heard. But not every time. Even Sokolov must be permitted to deliver a less than first rate performance now and then. In my opinion this performance lacks the urgency and commitment present in Sokolovs best concerts e.g Chopins first with Rowicki or Brahms second with Li-Jua. I think 1985 was also the year Sokolov recorded the Diabelli variations. Anybody disappointed by the Emperor should try that incredible interpretation .
Sokolov played even better Brahms piano concerto 2 with the Finnish Radio Symphony with Jukka-Pekka Saraste.Also Sokolov his Chopin piano concerto 2 playing is much better than Chopin 1 concerto.
@@RaineriHakkarainen To you, and gyth001, Sokolov plays at his finest every time, he is nonhuman. His Chopin 1 is perfect, what is it about you dont like?
Mr Pleskachevsky wrote here that the performance is "remarkable in form and technique" yet "devoid of meaning". This is difficult for me to understand, as in my thinking, form and meaning are inextricably related. Meaning being the meaning/intent of form, form being the form/shape of meaning. What I sense in this performance is an attempt to bring to the forefront the "descriptive" aspects of this highly complex work: the church-bells tolling in the countryside which Beethoven complained about not hearing any more (and hence imagining here) interrupted by the martial sounds of infantry armies approaching (the Napoleontic wars), the eerie cascades of minor scales suggesting almost Shostakovian angst (his 13th symphony) in the absence of peace (which maybe only Soviet musicians were able to convey in late XXth-century times), yet resolve of strongly paced wanderings through Nature and joy over Her talent for reconciliation and "harmonisation" of everything - and this, along the thesis-antithesis-synthesis lines of German idealist philosophy is what Beethoven, an avid reader of philosophy, has attempted to do and succeeded in doing... (I add the "succeeded" because the 5th is generally considered the lesser younger brother of the 4th - which it is not to me: their form, and hence their meaning, and hence their form, and hence their meaning, and... is just different)...
Better explained impossible. Not every interpration has to be a plethora of fealing, with abrupt contrasts in rythmic or dynamic nature. Sometimes just a descriptive meditation of nature or human experience can take you to interesting places and see things in another perspective.
How interesting. Mr. Pleskachevsky wrote a critic about this very performance? I kind of agree with him. Sokolov is perfection in technique and form, but he plays like he doesn't wanna express himself, and that's necessary in great art. That's what makes the difference between him and Arrau for instance. Arrau not only play the piece well, but he put in it all his soul, his maturity as a human being, his warmth, his courage, his personality. Whereas Sokolov plays as he wants to abstract himself from the music and being "objective". And when you don't express a human soul rich in values into the music there is no art, but when you do, then the music has "meaning".
Браво маэстро!!!
That passage at 37:32 is so extravagant!
Beautifully played.
Какая чистая игра пальцев!!!! Поразительно.
Султанов играет похоже. Хотя он не упоминал Г.Соколова среди тех, на кого он опирался в период становления, но есть связи - в чистоте и хрустальности звукоизвлечения.
Оба пережили баталии конкурса Чайковского!
Großartig!
Stephen Cuunyieng ...you commented that Sokolov does not play concertos any longer. I believe this is not correct and I hope I am right because on Google there are several indications that he still tours.
There are two sites which show his touring calendar for 2019 ( all in Europe and none in Australia unfortunately ).
Stephen is saying that he stopped performing concertos, not concerts. I'm pretty sure those concerts you found are all solo recitals, no orchestra.
@@binglebinglebingle they are. He never plays with orchestra anymore
@@binglebinglebingle The Truth is that Sokolov wants That All whole art is his own hands! That is Why No concertos! Sokolov Said( The Finnish Radio interview) where i.found The Good conductor and The Big Symphony Orchestra whos going to play like me Grigory Sokolov want! Grigory Sokolov his Chopin piano concerto no 2! Brahms piano concerto no 2! Mozart piano.concerto no 24 Saint-Saens piano concerto no 2! After Sokolov played These concertos then All The others pianists Are really only The DUST ZEROS!!
Not convincing.
Оркестр и пианист с первых аккордов в унисон не попадают. Слушать дальше?
Remarkable in form and technique. But completely devoid of meaning. However, this is my individual opinion.
G.Sokolov the giant titan of the piano.From 11.11 to 12.00 i think Ashkenazy is better with his volcano furious touch.M.Pletnev said that there are not a single perfect playing recordings of Beethoven 5.Pletnev tought that the closest perfect was A.Benedetti Michelangeli playing Beethoven 5 concerto. To me A.Bedetti Michelangeli was like machine.Pletnen the hardest hitter most powerful pianits of all time(Lazar Berman was loud but Pletnev louder
Dear d2d4e6, when you claim that "G.Sokolov the giant titan of the piano", this statement is your (and generally accepted) point of view. Agree that I have every right not to share this view. As well as your statement that "Pletnev is the hardest hitter most powerful pianits". You are talking about how technically perfect Beethoven 5 was performed. But I think about what this performance personally gives me. From my point of view, it is Pletnev's performance that gives me much, very much... Regarding Michelangeli, I, perhaps, agree with you. He reminds me of an ideally polished marble statue: it's beautiful, but if you touch it, you'll feel the cold ...
Well, a listener lacking lucidity and understanding DOES have the right to an opinion/point of view. Who knows? Maybe in IgnoranceLand, this version lacks meaning.
Besides that, this orchestra is a pain
Totally agree with you. I find Murray Perahia's interpretation of this piece infinitely more moving and nuanced. But that's just my individual opinion.
Ich finde Sokolov spielt wunderbar!