WC3 - [UD] Happy vs Fortitude [HU] - Grandfinal - Fruit Cup #8
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Interesting turning of events.
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We need more ppl like you thx
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You can just feel Human being stronger than Undead, but it's Happy who makes it looks like an even fight
HU is basically winning by default, while UD needs a lot of Happy-level plays to survive.
If you can't get a level 3 CL before the base trades, you lose. If you can't do a quick surround against WE, you lose your expansion. If you can't individually pull away all the fragile melee units, AM will reach level 4 and 5 quickly. If you can't out-micro gyros, you lose your entire army within seconds. If you can't win before HU gets into griffins, you lose.
It is a lot more obvious when you watch the last encounter between 120 and Forti
Cope is a hell of a drug
The balance basically hinges on whether or not you can consistently surround with a group of small hit-box units and without the assistance of any stun. Yeah, good luck for any other undead players to consistently pull that off.
they don't have to play against forti
Both 120 and labby won against forty ( ladder games so far haven’t crossed in gf)
@@avarion9538You don't have to be Forti to know how to dodge surrounds and to perform better than your opponent in a ranged vs melee fight. You do however have to be Happy to consistently get those surrounds anyway and to be able to deal with high damage ranged units with nothing but low hp melee units.
@@Biobin123Forti won 2-0 the last time he met 120 in a tournament. Laby can't even get past the bracket to even have the chance to face Forti. Ladder games doesn't matter as much as most players are not playing in their top forms and may also be experimenting with different builds
@@winterfall_0
Well we will see :)
So far happy is still dominating by results losing 3 matches is not a game breaking thing.
Also happy played very poorly for example last mu with forty happy tped solo cl into 7 footies 2 we am mk and just died. Forgot to cancel expansion 3 times and got cl surrounded 4 times before that.
Sometimes even best players have bad streaks. Lets give it a time and see where it goes:)
The first game is crazy, I have not seen T2 no expansion HU beat Happy in years.
AHAHAHAHAH THAT LAST GAME xD thats professional warcraft
Blocking AM positioning with beetles and ghouls to protect expansion? While also multi-tasking harass on HU expansion? That's an impressive - but unsustainable - way to win. Over the course of time, Forti will find a way to get to the haunted mine faster than Happy can find ways to block him. Still nice to see Happy having a chance though.
Isn’t that true for hu too ? Or hu is not defending and multi tasking with harassment on ud expansion ?
@@Biobin123A lot easier for HU than it is for UD.
Townhall with power build takes a lot less time to finish than haunted mine, which mean a lot less leeway for UD to go for a cancel. UD army consisted of only fragile melee units, while HU have a formidable ranged unit. UD have to go for a surround / block to prevent WE and AM from getting in range, HU simply needs to have enough number of peasants and footmen to counter beetles.
@@winterfall_0
Hu needs to get scout tower into arcane which is easy to cancel unlike ziggurat into nerub which can’t be canceled. Ziggurat gives 10 food and blight scout tower nothing. Blight + nerub being able to 50% slow 3 units means easy surrounds. Hunted gold mine takes 105 seconds which means hu needs power build to get to that speed which means pulling 5-7 peasant from economy and paying x2 more resources than ud. Also you can stop expansion by killing workers which can’t be done vs ud. If canceled both hu loses far more than ud if successful both ud gets 10 food blight and base which is far more protected than hu which payed x2 more recourses than ud + had to build t1 footies which doesn’t scale unlike ghouls and pulled most of its economy to build.
Everything has its str and weakness you must consider both before saying its op based on just str…
@@Biobin123 Probably not a good idea to waste your breath talking about balance when you don't even know the basic of how power build works.
Townhall takes 180 seconds to finish, with 3 peasants is is about twice as fast (~90 seconds), and 5 peasants about thrice as fast (~60 seconds). The extra cost with 5 peasants is around 60%, not double.
Arcane tower costs less than nerubian tower, and it basically forces CL to completely stay out of range or you will have zero mana left to summon any beetles for cancel. Meanwhile against nerub slow you can get in range and only need to stay away from ghouls, which is not very difficult when they are also busy dealing with WE and footmen.
Yes, HU will lose more if their expansion is destroyed. But good luck doing that with nothing but ghouls and beetles.
Great game!
Cryptlord fast level 3 is the answer
Praioratize third creep camp leveling with ghouls only while at the same time creeping the natural to acheive level 2 beetls is the way to counter very fast archmage 3 with level 2 water elemental
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@@user-wr4pp4px3k 🤔
Undead needs nerf badly!
When was this match played? Its like I already saw it earlier
You just cant nerf the man down xD
What the fuck Fortitude is Chad, still, how he does that against Happy?!
Post Scriptum: This was a show!
thats how to beat powerful human with weak undead
3경기 보면 알지만 동일멀티하면됨. 굳이 cl만 쓰고 멀티만 먹으려다 지는거지. 탐욕만 안부림 언데드가 이김.
UD is strong. Orc is weak
CRAZY GAME 3!!!
GG
I wonder why happy switched to Cl games vs human... he did so well wth Lich, now it feels like he struggles hard every single game with cl.
Is Lich really that bad now? So strange how he fell out of the meta so hard.
Loch is she no? Lich is good cl just got better buffs
@@Biobin123 Lich is a man. "Dead man walking...", "I hear that Banshee's a real screamer.", "All the ladies dig rigor mortis."
@@tcriv you are right i always looked lich as a witch :)
Yeah, so strange how a hero that is non-stop getting nerfed fell out of meta
@@winterfall_0 really? Last nerf reduced frost nova slow duration from 4/6/8 to 4/5/6. While got buffed on ult. That didn’t killed a hero it’s just cl got non stop buffed and now is better.
Don’t force me cup 118 grand finals 120 used lich as first hero.
Labby used in b cup
Aincent of wonders happy had it as a second hero
Come on happy use some banshee 😅
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So as long as happy makes only small mistakes and not game losing ones he wins mu. Interesting:) just don’t let your fh to be surrounded 3-4 times per game and easy pizi.
Ud needs to stop expand and harras AM, ghouls stand no chance against level 3 am
balance
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It is a ridiculous bullshit, that you can have multiple water elements at the same time, while they have a big damage output and can tank a lot of damage as well. Blizzard should nerf them or limit their numbers.
😂 You cant be serious. ⚖️🍷
It's human early game advantage, common they only hade early game and very late advantage.
You can't take it from them because I will be booring.
They have either to win the game very fast or to survive too long to win , this is how it work
Exactly and beetles should expire + only one should be at a time cause x6 beetles do more dmg tank more are faster can scout give less xp and can surround than both we combined:)))
Agree. Elementals are too strong. Humans should not have "early game advantage" since tbeir late game is also unbeatable. Gyros are also ridiculous strong.
@@Biobin123one clap and beatles are gone, they don't even engage in battles, only scout and harass. That's way different than ranged knights, I mean elementals, wich also harass and scout btw.
Water elementals and gyros are so unfair. Elementals for obvious reasons, they are free very strong units that deal ranged massive damage and tank tons of damage, free of costs. And you can have 3. And gyros deal area ranged massive damage without even need to be microed. Flak cannons are not even like Tauren's abiility that only happens few times. Every shot is splash damage. They rip masses of air units in few seconds. They are also fastest air unit in the game, wich makes it impossible to retreat from battle and on top of all that, immune to most magic and see invisibility. How can this be fair? Other races simply cannot use air units against humans.
Water elementals are not free they cost mana and they give xp. 6 beetles have more hp armor damage speed and give less xp and doesn’t expire, can scout surround harass creep can be sacrificed to heal units and or for mana… 3 water elementals are extremely rare while 6 beetles are default and gl dealing with them without good aoe dispel :)
Gyros need to be massed+ have upgrades + and contrary to your statement are extremely dependent on micro otherwise will feed. Have problems fighting gargs and against right heroes like dl :) even fully upgraded have tickle dmg on ground and you must have them as a dead pop… gargs come much earlier and are more efficient at dealing low numbers of air units while have nice dmg against land units without upgrades. Doesn’t needs extra building
Both are balanced around str and weaknesses don’t just focus on str otherwise everything is op.
@@Biobin123 That was a troll comment but I will answer.
Gargs are T3 units, how they come earlier than gyros? I specifically criticized gyros AIR combat superiority, not ground. Gargs are also used in masses but get destroyed in seconds by gyros, that's a fact. Specially after undead shop nerf.
About elementals, mana is free, mana don't cost gold. Specially for the arch mage who recharges faster. Beatles are slow melee units that have LESS HP than elementals and they starve CL mana. A lv 3 elemental has 825 HP, that's about 50 lower than Knighy's HP. They also scout and cancel buuldings by themselves. And hit air.
Make up numbers to try to prove a point is childish.
The synergy that the ranged attack, fast movement speed walking mana fountain Archmage has wjth his elementals is insane. The elementals NEED nerf to damage. Also gyros need flak cannons nerf to work like Tauren splash damage. That would be balance, not this human supremacy in early game, late game and air combat.
And definetly water elementals need nerf to cooldown so you are not allowed to have 3 on baftlefield at the same time.
@@cadukizzi
Who is making up numbers here? Gargoyle is t3? :)
Carrion beetles x6 = 2640 hp with 2 armor and 280 ms ( 280 is slow by your definition water elemental is fast with 220 ms strange math at this point you use meth :)))
What is next you will say ghouls are t3 and ud cant harvest lumber until that?
Why do not canceled buildings ALL TIME??? It is easy in more situation? :D WTF All Time? ♥ :D Absolut PRO and this is bad.
OMG HAPPY, PLAY STRONG!!!!!! 3000 ELORANKING!!!!!!!! ♥♥♥ :d ;)
I bet Happy is gonna lose. We'll see
Happy wins= I click dislike