THIS Is The Difference Between Ten Hags HIGH PRESS At Manchester United And Ajax!
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- čas přidán 8. 04. 2024
- A tactical look at why #TenHag and his pressing structure has not been as successful at #ManchesterUnited as what it was with #Ajax
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Our CBs actually man mark the attacking line but to ask Maguire/Evans/Lindelof and maybe even Varane to stay tight to their man AND play a high line at the same time is very risky. It means that the opposition just have to create opportunities to play the ball in behind. Spurs CBs do this and their job is even tougher as both Porro and Udogie are very high but the sheer amount of athleticism and defensive awareness of Romero and Van de Ven makes it possible, as they don't only cover the space in behind but also the channels. Honestly, it would be foolish to ask our available CBs to do so. And, to play a high line, your CMs should also connect the press by not giving the opposition time to get their head up and play in behind. The best evidence of it was Real Madrid's 4-1 win over Barca in Spanish Supercup, when Vini scored a hattrick even tho Barca had good CBs.
Why take Ajax as an example, lets take last season, I remember the 2-1 win over Barca, Licha was so aggresive on Lewa, the 2-0 win over Spurs, and so many other matches when I saw our entire game was played in our attacking half.
There is no need to replicate Man City or Arsenal's style, we can build our own style. Look at Madrid historically, very good on the ball but absolutely elite, lethal IN BOTH attacking & defensive transitions. Man Utd historically have been better at transitions. We are extremely good even now, for me, top 5-6 in the world in attacking transition (due to young, technical players) but maybe the worst at defensive transitions and the reason is obvious, player personnel. We have non-technical, slow, aged players at DM and backline.
Ppl will say Ange imposed his style nonetheless but without any disrespect, football tactics have to be winning tactics, not entertaining tactics. I ll always choose a bit more pragmatic manager. ETH is focusing on youth, so lets overhaul the rest of the squad and build a fantastic team. Sir Alex has spoiled us with consistent success, so abt time we be patient with a process and make our way to success again. GGMU!!
True, I hope Willy can make it. He’s athletic and can physical but not sure about his passing quality as he hasn’t played much. NEED TO buy new set of CBs
This is what some of our fan don't understand. You can't suddenly play a different way when the player is not built for that. It's gonna take more signing and youth. Just be patient, no manager is gonna succeed overnight when we have been shit for more than a decade.
ETG has his own philosophy and style of play but with Harry, and lindy, can we play that high line? That has been his style but with this current defenders minus Licha n Verane when fit we can't play. How may times have we fielded Licha, Verane, Shaw, and Dalot? This is our best back but looking at the injury situation we need to give ETH time and the right kind of players to suit his style and stop calling for a new manager each time we have a bad game. Arteta, Klop, Pep were all giving time and the right players and let's look at their successes now. Let's back ETH
@@richardahinful7157 Exactly my point. The problem is fans like us, who actually know problems at the club get outspoken by the social media fans who spam ETH out after a loss. The media doesn't help either so a Man Utd manager basically has to start winning right from the go. ETH realised this after 4-0 defeat to Brentford and completely adjusted acc to the players. Expecting ETH to challenge for PL is like telling Arteta to do the same with Lacazette, David Luiz, Sokratis, Maitland Niles, Elneny etc. Arsenal got rid of everyone!!, and eventually so and built around Saka, Martinelli, Gabriel and Smith Rowe. (U see the parallels? We also have to build around Mainoo, Garnacho, Hojlund etc whilst getting rid of players who are here from before Van Gaal's reign!!).
Honestly, even Ole didn't deserve this fate. We all knew what Ole ball was all about, rapid transitions. Bruno, Maguire, Rashy, Martial all thrived under that. We finished 2nd in 20/21 and lost UEL Final on penalties. This was on paper better than Arsenal's 22/23 season. Gunners bought Rice, Timber, Havertz and Raya to suit their style. And what did we do to support Ole? Buy a 36 yr old Ronaldo (who did his job brillantly) instead of a rapid young high pressing ST. They got a veteran CB in Varane instead of a young agile CB. The most insane thing was to get Sancho when he clearly was more of a good with ball to his feet player when all they needed was a proper CDM to replace McFred and some cover for Rashy, Martial, Greenwood. This can't happen again. Who are we going to replace ETH with? De Zerbi? He is more focused on playing the ball out from the back than winning. Nagelsmann? Good luck having tactical flexibility with these players.
I am convinced INEOS will stick with ETH as they have said the manager isn't at fault due to poor structure and that 2-3 yrs would be needed to start competing for titles.
Ten hag has proven he can coach a team to "develop" and play that style of play while at Ajax. It didn't click at the first instance, but it was not really a problem because the teams in and around the them were not as technically and physically at the same level as Ajax, so therefore he could still get results and the gradual development of the team was not significant.
Manchester United is a big team in the premier League but not with big players, therefore he is expected to win games, but don't forget, with players not in and around the same level as current top teams in the premier League, it is difficult to coach a certain type of play.
This can be explained in the high energy, commit bodies forward, hope to catch the opposition unawares that klop played in his first seasons and Ange currently is deploying at spurs.
There is the idea that this is his second season to atleast get to grip and try to organise a squad that has an identity, however, when plagued with injuries like we have this season, and key players that can be said to be top class are underperforming and the youth are the only shining light, considering they are the only one's currently with a bit of technicality and bravery; and his eye for spotting them and enabling them to go every week and perform among opposition top players, I would dare to compare Jürgen klop and his management of last season after being in charge for a number of years, and wasn't for key players returning, being available and performing towards the later stages of last season's competition, one can be left to wonder where they would have ended the season.
Sacking Ten Hag does not solve the problem, as he was one of the best coaches around when he signed for United, we all were happy and could only imagine the beautiful way we could start to play football, till the first two games of the season showed us where exactly we were in terms of player quality in the premier League.
In summary, I would say, Ten Hag should be allowed to see out his current contract and be accessed on the development, style of play, and overall performance of the team after next season's competition.
You said it all👏🏼👏🏼
Facts💪🏾
Thanks for pointing out the the crucial need for replacements in the defence and defensive midfield. That is critical. Dalot can move in those scenarios, but ten Hag obviously knows the limitations of the rest defence
Good analysis but quite simplistic in nature and it does not explain the loopholes in the current system or lack of right profile players.
I am happy that this season is all about explosing the problems even if it means not finishing in top 4/5.
I know lot of ppl doesnt like Goldbridge, but he was right. We can't win the league with Rashford and Bruno as our best players. They're good players, cable of winning the league, but they can't be compare to Rooney/Giggs/Scholes. we can't settle with players at their quality. We need even better players if we want to be back to our glory days.
@@phamkun7716 I agree with you that we need better players.
Don't want to pin point a couple of players. Its easy to say it's Rashi or Bruno, though I don't disagree. But we have to also see that they have been playing a very different style of football for a very long time. They have been mould into that style. Hard for them to adapt. Now Eth has given them ample amount of time to adapt fast but they haven't. Therefore I feel some players who can't adapt fast to a new style of play, United need to have hard talks with them.
@@phamkun7716They're not the right player profiles, they're not quite a Grealish, Bernardo Silva style of players that keep the ball in the final 3rd, same with Diaz, Szoboszlai and Mac Allister, these players keep the ball, Bruno, Rashford can't keep the ball in the final 3rd, Garnacho's not great at it either, we need to buy creative attackers, that are possession keepers of the ball and can feed Hojlund service
8:24 Because most of those players have had LENGTHY injuries lol. Shaw and Martinez are out at the moment. Varane too
Good job, I really enjoyed listening to your analysis on this topic.
We need more athletic players everywhere
Good video series idea. New players is the only way to improve high pressing system, ole last season couldnt switch us from a couter attacking side. Ragnick couldn't. ETH hasnt been able to yet either. Imo these specific players we have rn are just bad at it regardless of the manager
The problem is the Right Center Back(Varane and Maguire are not durable and fast enough respectively) and pivot midfielder are not agile enough to play this type of football. Martinez is capable of playing in a back three and dealing with high balls as he proved last year.
It would be interesting to see how big Willy places with Martinez and a proper agile defensive midfielder
@AJAnalysis Thanks for this video. Appreciate that you're making these type of analytical contents without jumping to emotion-driven conclusions. Hoping for more such videos.
From the optics, we are playing bad disjointed football. But I also see glimpses of the Ajax way (similar to what you highlighted in the video).
What concerns me the most is the lack of cohesiveness among the players being fielded every game, which I believe is a result of constantly shuffling critical positions due to injuries. I also believe that we have present players who don't fit to ETH's Ajax style (in terms of physicality, mentality, discipline and decision-making). The pragmatic side of me thinks that we will need more time to sort these issues (e.g. injuries, transfers) out in order to get the right set of players that can be given enough time to train and play cohesively with the new style.
i love AJ he isnt stuck up at al , been asking for this type of video for ages . knew he would see where the issue actually lies .
theres people on twitter doing the most trying to be god so there ego gets stroked .
sometimes the solution is as simple as personal in the right positions
AJ You're a wonderful analyser
Not a happy season for lots of reasons, but I just see no benefit in turfing yet another manager and then having the replacement use the summer to make the squad even more incoherent.
I think it is going to be a hard slog of a transfer season anyway - FFP really makes it hard to offload players on huge salaries, as we saw with McTominay and Maguire last summer and to buy in there will need to be transfers out. There is a good chance that one or even both of the two loans to German clubs will come back like bad pennies as well.
Let's see how next season plays out.
Fans like you are the reason why this club is in the gutter. The most successful clubs in the world implement a revolving door policy with managers who underperform look at Madrid and Bayern. We are implementing a good structure at least on paper so I don't want to hear anything about an "incoherent squad". Ineos will be building the team around the football philosophy they will decide for the club buying players for this system removing the squad building issues you mention.
Typical of our recent mediocrity making excuses for a poor manager.
Great analysis!!! I have been saying it and would keep saying it because of how bad our recruitment has been we are 5 players away from finally getting to the promise land. We can’t count with shaw and Martinez including Varane. We can’t count on Casemiro anymore we can’t count on Rashford to keep the press compact and we need players to help other players get better. That how urgent this summer is
Your analysis on Willy Kambwala, appears to merit the use of Kambwala as defender. For a such a young defender, he reads the game well and can play on the front foot. He is a big guy and can be physical and importantly, he is blindingly fast. In fact, all the attributes tan Hag is looking for in a defender.
Interesting analysis, but you are ignoring the problem that EtH has in implementing a high-press with the current players that he has at his disposal at United. With Casemiro and particularly Maguire they simply haven't got the pace to go man-to-man and instead, they retreat 10 metres which leaves the massive hole that we see every week.
Until we get more pace in midfield and at the back there is no way that we can commit to a high-press
So then why do the fowards commit to the press and the backline stays deep? Thats a disaster waiting to happen.
Why cant the whole team simply fall back to close the gigantic midfield gaps?
nicely said and also do an analysis on the role of his wingers in ajax like tadic playing so much different from rashy as the main creator with lots of cut backs
Probably cus tadic is a slow creator in a team with lack of top quality creation, we have bruno, and good pure wingers, no need to drop a winger to put bruno on the side
He wants proper wingers in our style, that hold the wide, akin to Sane, Grealish, Doku, Sterling, he doesn't want a wide no.10 like a Tadic, and in the fast PL, pacey, wingers tend to thrive more, ETH has adapted to the PL environment
You have just answered the question, we don't have personnel and fiscally players to do that .
I think the problem lies on the speed of our full backs
We have e problem
1. CBs - you can't keep Maguire or lindelof man marking a toney at brentford, Secondly martinez has height issues.
2. Secondly, the midfielders can't play with back to goal
We don't have one ball carrying midfielder or CB... casemiro was never dejong, or lobotka or busquet. If opponent go long and Cb wins it, only mainoo can even attempt playing but with who ?
3. You didn't talk about the striker position
Ten hag uses a tall striker most times as an escape route...
Remember haller?, we need a tall striker that is aerially lethal like a weghoust that can score, like a sesko or muriqi... hojlund is young
So 2 positions we can't do without: ball carrying centre back like KMJ or converting luke Shaw
Second is 1 midfielders that can play with pressure, he Mustn't be good at tackling as casemiro but he can drop and play
Then one position that is desired- striker
I still think we need a good winger to replace rashford if we have options though
Antony can stay cos he defends, rashford can't defend or attack
Nice video
you acting like Rasmus isn't Tall....
@jumajasjas2925 Rasmus is young, did u see what toney did to utd centrebacks when they played brentford.... that's a tall striker WITH AERIAL ABILITY
Hojlund needs to learn not be pressured to lead...
Also lets be honest how long did it take for Erik to even get Ajax to play they way he did? Its not like he got them playing like that straight away im sure that would of taken time and trust from club and fans
Since his arrival ETH has been behind the 8 ball where the defence is concerned, with the exception of Martinez most of the defenders has some kind of limitation. Last season we played some really nice football with those same players, however this season has not been good to us where the injury God's are concerned. It's like every week or every other week we are playing with a different defence so we can't have any continuity as well as several of our CB are to slow leaving ETH in a position to work with what he has, therefore you would never see the type of football that we should be playing
Do an analysis on Colpani,think he’ll be a great signing for MU
It's the players who have let us down this season
I think Timber is probably better ground coverage and channel defender than Varane tbh, Varane is the better defender, but I would say Timber was a better high line, and channel defender, and that's why it's imperative we get Todibo at Manchester United
Unrelated, and I assume you wouldn’t do it until after the season is finished, but it’d be cool to see your “dream” transfer window for this summer. Including looking through potential budgets and players sales. I was looking through it the other day, and it looks like we could genuinely be looking at £300-450m from player sales alone. If not more. That’s without including the set transfer budget, and only with realistic players being sold at realistic prices. I don’t think it’d be unachievable to be looking at that amount if you look at the players we have in our squad who need to go. There’s easily 13+ of them. Chelsea got rid of over 20 last summer, but their problem is that most of theirs were loans or free transfers. I don’t think we’d have that problem.
We’ve already seen that Martinez can handle long balls it just took him time at the start of last season to get used to it. If you watch him when he started playing well he won a lot of duals.
It's really down to Maguire. He needs the likes of Dalot and Wanbi around him in United's own half and there's always going to be an easy out for top teams to play around United.
Kambwala can start being right sided center back
Think the players simply cannot cover ground
Bro, no matter how good the approach be, in possession we are just too hap-hazard and can’t string two set of passes to keep the ball. I feel this is the sole reason, because it’s okay to get broken on, BUT we need to be at least capable of holding the ball.
Perhaps front footed CBs will help.
Surely ten Hag wants to play in a similar fashion but he simply can’t due to injury and a lack of adequately skilled personnel
What i missed a btmit was why in some games our midfield is wide open, probably its cus we push too far forward, but would like to hear some others thoughts
I think we have a problem scoring goals so we push up and then we can't retain the ball so we get countered, the style of play is about what I would expect given the squad construction, probably two summers away.
I'm still backing in Ten Hag and give him one more year to do his job.
Has ETH always man marked in the midfield?
We don’t have the correct profile of defenders to play high. Martinez is no speed merchant, Maguire & Lindelof slower still. With the team with current personnel surely we’ve to be pragmatic & play a lower block, perhaps channeling the ball down a wing. We deffo need new defenders anyway.
Thank you! There is a playing style. Ball retention is just awful, passing accuracy is awful, and better proactive off the ball running. Still can’t play a high line either.
Back three, push the fullbacks up
Mate u highlight the game which we didnt have Shaw and Martinez in that except last 20 minutes for injured martinez. u cant send Dalot to keep the press high and take the risk because if he dont push them back with a simple pass opposition will be in 3vs3 with our slow weak 1v1 defenders. 99% of our structure problems are because of bad defenders . if they cant push higher and keep playing closer to the own box there would be no press method in the world that works properly and thats also why we always have that massive space in the middle of the pitch as midfielders commit to the press and take the risk of winning ball without the help of defenders and full backs and its risky.
Lisandro can deal with that check his stats
Shaw.. Martinez have been injured most if not all the season
Good analysis but how often has Luke Shaw played this season? Hiw often has Martinez played this season? Also Jurrien Timber is one of the fastest players in world football, you can't pretend that Varane is a better channel defender than him because he's Varane. We've had to rely on the likes of Maguire, Evans and Lindelof who don't have the pace to play these positions. Additionally we haven't had a 6 who was good on the ball or had the agility and pace to cover ground defensively all season. The recruitment and injuries have dictated how Ten Hag has played more than anything
We NEED Borna Sosa at LB.
Lol, all the palyers you mentioned are injured apart from dalot
Your analysis is good but, you put in shaw and Martinez, they are not available for a while now
You know who’s available for us and they can’t play that way
Erik ten hag can't make dalot press because the cb's left behind are lindelof/maguire/evans/varane we don't have a back 2 thats fast enough to be able to be left exposed like that
Lichas been injured the whole time
I know varane is fast but his partner is not fast
Sign todibo then demand that when you have todibo and martinez
8:24 you are comparing a back 4 that barely fit this season. How many times are they actually starting together this season? I have no doubt that if we had those back fit for most of the seasons, you will see those man to man pressing structure. That's your answer
how many times has the best back four played this season? take one player out of it and it all falls apart, varane hasnt really been up to the standards required even when he has played for 45min of a match and then had to go off. There is no real depth to the squad with an injury to any of the main defenders, defensive midfielder or striker.
2 CB
1 LB
1 RB
1 CDM
1 ST
Does INEOs know what is required?
Priority signings.
Are they ready to sacrifice players like Bruno or Rashford for the greater good? Selling Rashford to psg for 85m would get us Nico Williams for 45m and 35m Todibo
no need for a new lb we already have shaw and malacia who hopefully is fit next season. Buying a new lb would mean having to sell malacia which would be stupid when his value is at a all time low
I don’t believe our CBs are good enough for him to disconnect his FBs….hence why we suck more with injuries
You seem to forget Dalot is a better 1v1 defender cause all the rcb’s we have are all covering defender the never want to come out to press
And maybe dalot is not really confident on Varane 1v1 defending for example arsenal if Ben white would go for that ball he’s very confident in Saliba’s to cover up
we don't have personnel Simple
To summarise maguire lindelof evans are not good in one on one situations and hence need wing backs to baby sit. Wing backs aren’t that great to press either shaw n bissaka. In short we need whole new defensive unit to play this system. If u are still wondering v r doomed
Honestly you need different players and more players. You don't have the players to play a high press. And that is what ten Hag has said before ......
We know since ten Hag appointed as Man Utd manager we need to rebuild that defense, yet in past 4 transfer window only 2 defenders was signed being Malacia & Martinez.
Both have missed most of the season, so what we have is basically Ole's defender which not meant to play high defensive line.
Completely showcase how poor our recruitment team.
All You have is questions boy, no answers
I think since Martinez has been absent this season and casemiro declined in form, it has made ETH to put dalot in a reserveed row, besides if dalot goes forward and fails to win the ball back, the back 3 is not reliable enough to cover him.maguire is pron to mistake, varane not reliable, Evans is a total joke, maybe willy might cover him on the right hand side
Our team haven't been playing well since Martinez got injured last season
How many times this season has he played that back 4? There lies the answer to your question
what we can criticize him for is his recruitment but then again united was not known for their excellent recruitment before eth, when we think of all the factors, eth is the victim of this poorly managed club
Recruitment is a big issue I feel we make too many mistakes in the transfer window
We can't necessarily critique him for recruitment when you had Murtaugh as DOF
Because the cb re always injured u dud
Clear difference is Ajax have structure & he had all the tools plus players necessary to succeed at Ajax. Manchester United have NO structure & he don't have the necessary tools plus players to succeed at Man Utd.
Varane is finished he was a better defender than timber…not anymore
Interesting, but I think this still doesn't really solve the problem of having the defence so disconnected from the pressing players up front, and so often than not, our players simply are dragged out of position to press and then a huge gap is left in between midfield and defence. Even when games where we sit deeper and not press that high, the structure of the team just gets pulled apart so easily by the opponent. The amount of shots we've been facing this season is a bit absurd, we can't just rely on athleticism to cover the ground right?
While it's obvious that your football knowledge is not that great, just like the English pundits who only focus on English football, this issue has been raised many times in Holland when EtH was managing Ajax. Just like people with common sense can see that it's a personnel issue, you choose to be a bot by just agreeing with the silly English pundits. What we need are two athletic ball-playing centre-backs that can actually push up when it comes to the higher line and a defensive midfielder, and the gap you see automatically goes away. Eric wanted De Jong. But instead, the club gave him Casemiro, who's already coming to the end of his career. But we desperately needed a DMC so we had to buy him. Manchester United fans have such goldfish brains. Have you forgotten how long it took us to bring a DMC to that club? Casemiro did well last season because we were playing pragmatic counter-attacking football. He doesn't have the athleticism to play Erik's style of play. He wanted Kim Min Jae, but the club gave him Johnny Evans 🤣 Even with those horrible buys, he still decided to try playing his style of play this season, and with all the 50 plus injuries we've had this season, what are you expecting? Also who cares about the amount of shots How many goals are the opponents actually scoring Even with our horrible defence? High risk high reward.
i guess we need an athletic dm and cb..i think i can see the cb that can backup dalot in kambwala, but we still need 1 more quality cb there. dm is definitely. if varane left, than make it 2 more cb, and 1 or 2 dm.
I think another issue really comes with the formation.
I’d like to see United have. 4-1-3-2.
The back line is still a four back and have a deep sitting DM (mainoo) behind the midfield and I feint of defense. Have garnacho and Antony/rashford with her side.
Bruno down the middle and then two strikers, hojlund and maybe Brobbey as I understand.
To say Dalot doesnt cover the open man on the flank is pure lie and lazy analysis.I can show you many clips where he does cover.
ETH has done this pressing structure before in the league at Wolves and we were clesrly dominant. the problem is you have to consyantky remind Dalot/AWB to do this over and over and over... none of them are suited for the pressing structure despite their abilities because they arent just learning. simple.
Part of why I have lost faith in Ten Hag is when he said we will NEVER play like his Ajax team 😕
That's literally why he was hired, if he's not even working towards that, then what are we doing here?
Unless he can make a MASSIVE turnaround in terms of style of play, I hope they let him go in the Summer.
The players are trash 🗑️
Let’s be real. He is a whack coach. Play a system with personnel you have available. Why try something with personnel you claim you don’t have? You want to play high press with players who are not high pressing?
Tactics wrong, team selection wrong, sub wrong. Cant blame club for those. He is just not a good manager.