Pop!_OS is switching to yearly releases. Here's why that's fine.
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System76 has announced they're going to skip the 22.10 release of Pop!_OS. This is not the end of the world, and I'm planning on sticking with them on my main work machine.
In today's action-packed episode of Veronica Explains, I discuss why I think Pop!_OS is making the right decision, and go into a bit of the history of these releases. If you're excited about package managers and repositories, this might be a fun watch for you.
Chapters:
0:00 It's not the end of the world, so I feel fine
2:22 What changed?
4:00 Why SHOULD we be nervous?
5:56 Why SHOULDN'T we be nervous?
8:29 Is it all just FUD?
9:17 Ask Veronica
#linux #desktop #rustlang - Věda a technologie
This is easily my favorite Linux channel, even when the videos are things I already kinda know, because Veronica never does clickbait titles and is generally calm and reasonable.
Awwww, thank you!!!! That's literally the goal!
“Generally calm and reasonable” 🤣
Made me laugh for some reason I can’t explain..
@@VeronicaExplains According to Merriam Webster dictionary:
gnome noun (2)
Definition of gnome (Entry 2 of 2)
1 : an ageless and often deformed dwarf of folklore who lives in the earth and usually guards treasure
2 : an elemental being in the theory of Paracelsus that inhabits earth
But according to Linux Users:
GNOME (GNU Network Object Model Environment, pronounced gah-NOHM) is a graphical user interface (GUI) and set of computer desktop applications for users of the Linux operating system.🤣🤣🤣
First video I watched of Veronica and had to subscribe. Great content and the dry humor are great!
We need more folks like you in the Linux community. A completely rational, calm video explaining what's going on with Pop_OS. Awesomeness. And as an aside, I've been pronouncing it "guh-nome" since the days of Ximian Gnome... 2000ish? Rock on.
Hi, I just found your channel through a comment from a subscriber in a video of mine, I'm from Brazil, great job!
It's good to hear that. I''m a distro hopper and I thought I found Pop!_OS as my ultimate distro. I used Mint because of its less resource consumption. But using Pop I feel more comfortable. I'm going to build my main machine I hope to base it on Pop.
I found your channel recently. Damn, you're doing great job :D
Just installed Pop_OS on my main desktop. In the process of giving it a proper go. I was pleasantly surprised that the NVIDIA drivers worked quite well and I was able to play Elden Ring w/ Proton with no issues. Now that Linux gaming is a real thing I may make the switch permanently.
It works just as well on Ubuntu proper. Probably not a good idea to use a distro based on a distro based on a distro -- you're too far removed from the source at that point.
Don't listen to Shawn here. Actually, Canonical has sort of abandoned Ubuntu desktop support. They realized it's not the best way for them to make bank. Going with something like PopOS backed by a company with every reason to support desktop users is a much smarter move.
@@deusexaethera Reasonable concern, but Pop!_OS very much has gaming in mind.
@@RedSaint83 It's interesting, Pop didn't work for me a couple of years ago when I tried it on my System76 laptop. I can't remember what game was giving me an issue, but Ubuntu worked fine. My daughter has a refurb windows machine that I put Pop on when she fudged up the Windows OS and she has no issues with gaming. Her only problem is the machine doesn't wake up from when the lid is closed... And I'm too lazy to look at it.
I'll probably be giving Pop another chance when I have some time to mess around.
@@deusexaethera God the amount this statement is inaccurate...
System76 isn't canonical. They don't have a history of bad decisions (at least not as of yet). If System76 says this is needed, I'm willing to trust them for now. They make a good product!
I really appreciate your content and love seeing you pop up on my wall. You are my favorite Linux CZcamsr by far and now I'm considering installing POP_OS! 😅
I've been usung Pop!_OS for almost 2 years now. Honestly, when I read about the update plans it never occurred to me to switch distros. I like it as my daily driver and their developers clearly know what they are doing. I recall the complaints some people have had about the lag between the releases of Ubuntu and the subsequent Pop!_OS releases. "Patience is a virtue" definitely applies here. When it comes to Cosmic/Rust I prefer done right to done fast, especially with Kernel changes relating to Rust in the pipeline.
Nice job on being ahead of the gnome pronunciation questions, lol.
Though I'm a wm user, I look forward to seeing what they come up with.
DWM is nice, and bspwm is surprisingly cosy.
One of the things I like most about your videos is that you state the facts, give your opinions and acknowledge that other people might have a different view.... and that it is ok! I wish more people were as open minded as you
Ive been using linux as my main and laptop OS for a few years now. Your vids have taught me alot and I thank you for that. Ive recently distro hopped out of oblivion and on to Pop OS. And with some tweaking im very happy with the OS overall and will gladly wait till System76 comes out with a new update. Thnx again for all the vids and keep up the good work Veronica. o7
I love jumping around on different Distros !!! I really enjoy your informative and fun videos. The downside of distrohopping - is knowing whats what - in the boot menu. I wish there were an easy way to modulate my menu mahem .....
Great content you don't see anywhere else. I really like the straight forward direct communication with a lot of attitudes/opinions with facts backing them up in a sort of "argggh tone".
From my experience these are the traits of "true professional linux users".
Note: I personally use:
Private use: POP OS
Enterprise use: RHEL 8/9
Recent Pop_OS migrant and have been quite pleased so far. Not concerned about System76 skipping an interim upgrade. I am more interested in a new and unique desktop environment. I too like the tiling feature and have accepted the 'guh-nome' desktop after years on xfce. Thanks for another great video! :)
I’ve been out of the Linux loop for a couple years now, and was wondering if any new Linux channels had popped up since then. I stumbled upon your channel recently and was happy to see a new face! Your videos are refreshingly different from the usual Linux/tech videos I’ve been used to for several years. Instant fan of the channel! Thanks for the neat content!
Thank you for the PopOS coverage! I'd love to see a video about single GPU VM passthrough on Pop, I've been really struggling with this.
Love your videos. As a Windows user who has tried several times to switch to full-time linux (including a stint with Pop_OS), what makes me nervous is that the current version of their distro isn't quite mature and stable enough to keep me away from Windows, so my confidence level in such a big change isn't particularly high. I'll be interested to see how it works out.
Thank you! I’m definitely a fan and user of PopOS, and my next laptop (this year) will be a System76 one. I just don’t have a ton of time to manage my OS and too many issues, and PopOS has been perfect for me.
1:33 I'm not sure if you were intentionally doing an impression of "Technology Connections" but you nailed it perfectly!
I'm using Pop!OS for some time now and loving it. I don't care about this change, it's all fine and I really want to see their new desktop environment. The thing I'm not happy with is that I learn about it today in a video that is now 3 months old while I check their website regularly...
Great video btw, and I'm glad I found it since it made me discover your channel!
Another great video. I'm thinking of switching from Mint to Pop!_OS as my main distro. If I need the latest software, Flatpaks are fine (plus the odd Appimage), so I'm not worried that there will be no 22.10 release. I wish the Pop Shop did a better job of distinguishing between Debs and Flatpaks, but I'm okay with the command line for installing the latter.
I was surprised with how immediately pleased I was with Pop OS. It’s my first Linux distro that sets up a recovery partition. It saved my butt over the holidays, when I wrecked my desktop trying to remove pop desktop and install KDE at a house with terrible Internet. I now know, don’t nuke pop desktop if installing a second DE, and don’t switch from the default display manager, unique to Pop OS but I haven’t researched why.
I booted up the recovery partition, and since I keep /home separate, I had my environment back up in ten minutes with my profile intact. No flash drives, no waiting for a fresh ISO, and the fastest system recovery I’ve ever had.
It isn’t perfect - I did have to set back up a mount point in fstab for my secondary drive and set ZRAM back up, but I’d rather have to do that over the system making a bad assumption that existing files were OK and failing the restore process as a result.
Hey Veronica, just discovered your channel. Enjoying many videos, thanks for the great content! Just an idea for a new video: what about an office tour showing your computers and gadgets?
High quality videos. Thanks for all your hard work! Awesome content and editing! I would love to see your process from start to finish.
I really enjoy your unapologetically nerdy content and appreciate all the time and effort that goes into making it. Thanks!
New to the channel. It's great so far! I like the humor and the snark. It reminds me of technology connections. And also praise to anyone who can actually write cobol.
I used to distrohop a lot. Always going back to linux mint. But then pop!os really got me hooked on windows tilling and everything. I think building your own de is a way to go. That's why i love cinnamon that much. System76 knows what they are doing, i have complete faith.
The two best Ubuntu based distros...
If you learn to install whatever window manager you want from base packages, there's basically no reason to distrohop. Pretty much the main differentiator of distros is what display manager they come with out of the box (and their theme). Just install a base distro like Debian, and then install whatever window manager you want on top of it.
I think this is the best made video on YT related to Linux I've seen so far. Keep up the good work. Also, drop that trackball thing, it's weird.
Thanks! And nope, I like trackball mice. So do a lot of other people- that shirt is selling fine!
Thankful to the algorithms for leading me to your channel! Great, well thought out and presented content! Thank you!
I stopped distro hopping when I landed on PopOS and I've been happy ever since. While I am a little concerned about their release cycle changing to yearly, I am certain that any important system updates will still be released. Also, like you said, most of my apps are through flatpak. Except Steam, because I can't seem to get the flatpak version to work properly. So, for now I'm sticking with PopOS.
This looks to me like a software and hardware vendor behaving in a calm and responsible way. I'm gradually becoming a big fan of Pop OS. It's well constructed, and like you, I'm really liking the tiling features. Most of my work revolves around CNA, DevSecOps, CI/CD, Kubernetes and Service Mesh, so a solid Linux platform is a must. It's great to see and hear someone with your knowledge and experience articulating an equally calm and sensible approach to their desktop. Thanks for the great content.
If it ever comes to fruition that you and Technology Connections do a collab video, I think the sarcasm'o'meter will go through the roof like no other time in history :D
I am so happy to see another person using a Model M. I finally bought the UniComp version of it this year with the Super Key. Also the plastic from 1984 was really beginning to show its age and weird cracks in the case were showing.
Unicomp sells renewal shells for the old Model Ms I believe. You may need to e-mail them with specifics but I saw a kit a while back.
It's so refreshingly weird to hear a reasonable opinion about something like this instead of seeing dozens of angry forum posts. Thanks for being the voice of sanity! :)
been pronouncing G-nome since 2.4 and proud of it! I've been using rolling distros for the most of my linux journey but recently decided that I want a system that is low maintenance, works out of the box and gets out of the way. Being a bit of the rust-stan and reading about direction they're taking decided to give pop a try and have to say It's amazing. Having an option of tiling workspace without the need of manually configuring a wm is a killer feature (and option to disable when not needed)
As for their release cycle... if it ain't broken, don't need to fix it
great video, keep 'em coming :)
Hi, I came across your channel by chance. I had years ago (1997?) the first time to do with Linux, then SUSE Linux, a distribution from Germany. At that time still on my good i386 computer.
In the last years I got more and more away from Linux, professionally everything was Windows based and since Windows 7 it got better and better.
After watching some of your videos I installed Linux on a laptop again yesterday, this time Pop!_os. Somehow I'm looking forward to tinkering again.
Keep up the good work, looking forward to new videos from you.
Great video. Love your wonderfully-crafted videos and explanations!
I think this is a very SMART move for them. With a yearly update schedule, you won't get nonsense like what LTT went through when Linus tried using Pop. It's a great distrob for people want things to just work, and the quick, sometimes slightly buggy releases only got in the way of that.
Hello! New to the channel and loved the outro music. Is there anywhere online it can be bought and/or streamed? I figured since you wrote it, you were the best person to ask.:) Thank you.
I really love you channel, retro feel and the way you present stuff. So relaxing and right on the point.
Couldn't agree more, happy to wait for Pop!_OS 23.04 with a Rust based desktop.
Love seeing the Model M being used, I do too and really enjoy it.
I'm totally OK with the delay especially with the rapid kernel upgrade and NVIDIA drivers and since I also own a S76 laptop that so far is very well supported. Thanks for your content!
i just found this channel and i love it so far!! you have the right balance of information, relatability, and humor
I like pop as my pick for distro. I am somewhat indifferent about it all. I didn't really care about intermediate releases when I used Ubuntu. I also feel quite comfortable in Gnome, but I am excited to try a new DE when it ships.
Production value is getting better and better on those videos! Love to see it
Had to pause to write this comment.
The editing on this video is AMAZING. 😮😮😮
I already like the content but the editing here is perfect and funny. Please, let the person editing your videos know that he/she is doing an amazing job.
Thank you so much! It’s all just me- I’m a one person editing team over here! :)
@@VeronicaExplains oh woah that is awesome.
Thanks for the video, Veronica. I haven't been keeping up with this story, so your report is very helpful. I'm pretty happy with Flatpak EXCEPT when I am using an IDE and need to use a language that isn't included in the Flatpak. For instance, the Geany Flatpak can't compile/build/run anything but Python. IntelliJ is OK because "approved" languages can be brought in through the IDE itself.
I really hope that Flatpak IDEs get the ability to bring in compilers and interpreters in via Toolbox, Distrobox, or even a local package. GNOME Builder can do this already, but I find it hard to use for what I'm doing, which isn't (yet) building GNOME software.
I've also had a System76 laptop for a few years now. It has some hiccups every now and then but I'm not changing it out any time soon and I'm definitely going to stick to PopOS.
After many years I was working in linux mint, andI was not happy with many failures in 2-3 last releases. Therefor, as many of us I am starting jumping method to find some other, for me daily driver distro. I try MX, opensuse, Manjaro, Antix, Fedora, but nothing. Then I hear about some changes in pop os, and I was happy. PopOS is my daily driver for PC and Laptop too. I am waiting for great changes from system76 people. Thank you Veronica, that such a nice person is part of popos comunity too.
sry for may badglisch.
I love how you answer the questions in the thumbnail with your mug :D
I lovr Pop and it's been my daily driver for over a year. I hope the desktop made with rust works out. Thanks for the video!
Great video. Yes, you are correct about Gnome pronunciation. I love the pop-shell tiling extension. I've installed it on every distro I use. Rust is a great language; that will surely be a good move for them. Thanks.
Good video. I am a newer viewer who is looking to switch to Linux in the future and I was wondering if you would consider doing a video on all the different package types, I find it a bit confusing what everything is in my limited experience with POP!_OS and SteamOS.
Loud and clear explaining, I would love more like this, keep up the great job
I just left windows and installed pop os 22.04 on my laptop and pc. It's awesome and fast. Getting games to run is tricky and crashes often require the mounted filesystems to be repaired. But I'm curious and having fun!
I would be less concerned about Pop rebuilding their base than Gnome's direction. Also, if System 76 does the same stellar job with their new Distro as they have with the current and their hardware, I am rather excited to see what they do. Of course there will be bumps as in all things new, but I have no doubt they'll have a plan to succeed.
New subscriber here, thanks to Jeff at Craft Computing talking about the "Your Tools are Probably Fine" video on his Talking Heads stream. I'm not a Pop!_OS user, but I just don't see the big deal. I could even see the argument for them moving to following the Ubuntu LTS releases only. Look at the bright side--it's still updating more frequently than Debian stable!
Also, I've been using Linux for over 20 years. Back when I started, I recall being educated that the proper pronunciation of GNOME was "guh-nome" because that's what the project called itself. In that respect, nothing ever changes--there's always questions and complaints about pronunciation.
The fact that you used the Final Fantasy VI (III) wind sound for your FUD explanation made me click the Subscribe button.
Thanks for the info! You've just gotten me to subscribe and start looking into using Pop!_OS as my primary distro!
I just discovered your channel. I like your format, and your keyboard.
Thank you for this awesome video! I also really like PopOS, devs did great job on it and I glad to know that they actively developing new Cosmic DE ;)
Good explanation of saying Gh-nome. I hadn't heard of that before. BTW - I'm also a Kdenlive user - do you do your own closed captions? If you do what program do you use? I've just started using Subtitle Edit but would like to know what others are using.
For unscripted stuff, I just use Kdenlive’s built in captions generator. I do pull in the srt file into vim though, and spend some time cleaning up the grammar.
For scripted stuff like this episode, I find it’s usually easiest to just upload the script text to CZcams and let it generate the timings. That way I don’t have to futz around with grammar editing.
I tried Subtitle Edit some time ago, I believe. I liked it! But, as is the custom, vim has broken my brain, and so if I can use vim to edit a text file, I’m probably going to end up doing it.
recently i decided to switch to linux full time and Pop!_os was one of the first ones I tried and after about 10 distros I keep going back to Pop. Really looking forward to the next release.
It is funny you say it is well-known, but I only just heard of it until today, this video. Maybe I have been living under a rock, but gonna give it a go. Subbed and liked, ty.
This video made me try pop os again after using arch based distros for last 3 years. Good work :)
I switched from POP to Manjaro GNOME 18 months ago (I love the rolling release model), but I'm still using PopShell, because I'm addicted to windows tiling as well. I now fear PopOS is going to stop developing their GNOME extension though.
I'm happy to stick with Pop_OS and see what happens, for me, it just works and I'm happy with the way it fits into my workflow. Great video as always, thanks.
Wow, the cliffs at Taylor's Falls on your wallpaper? That brings back some childhood memories
I grabbed that photo earlier this fall while on a day trip. It was gorgeous with the leaves changing.
1:35 Awesome “Technology Connections” moment :)
I really liked Pop os when I daily drove it for while. But the same issues I had with the Gnome DE in general are also in Pop os. I'm hoping the Rust based Cosmic DE they come up with fixes enough of those issues with unique changes. For example, Theming on gnome is a PITA. Didn't enjoy dealing with that. I do that to fix some of my issues with stock icons for folders so I can organize a bit better. Also needing an extension to format my date and time in the taskbar (and other simple settings) or not being present at all is annoying. Plasma on Kubuntu so far gives me everything I wanted in gnome by default. light theming can be done from within the settings instead of creating and messing with folders in home directory. Needing another extension to change audio devices from the taskbar on the desktop is also very annoying to me. I really want Cosmic to be good too.
You are so much better at explaining things than I am. My response to "Why do you say Guh-nome?" is "BECAUSE THAT'S HOW YOU F*&y(%% SAY IT!"
I love your anti-clickbait title and intro. _“Is this fine, or are things starting to fall apart for System76? It’s fine.”_ lol, love it, you should double down battling clickbait with this kind of funny anti-clickbait.
Some serious Technology Connections vibes in this one. Great video!
- PopOS user
I've just migrated from 15 years on macos to PopOS based on it being unix-like, NVIDIA support, and "beginner-friendly" reputation. I think part of being beginner-friendly is not possibly breaking your customers' workflow/computers with insufficiently tested releases, so if they say they don't want to split resources I believe them. As someone who was using a 2015 MBP running MacOS Catalina (released 2019) up until last week, clearly I'm not super invested in the bleeding edge of computing. I've only joined the linux community very recently, but have been taken aback by the tendency of users to become hysterical over trivial things. Thank you for explaining the issue in a reasonable way.
I'm interested to see where Cosmic goes after growing a bit from it's Gnome extension roots. The current version feels a bit rough to me, but that's OK because it's literally a 1.0 after all. I also really like where Gnome 4x is going, and that kinda seemed like it was a catalyst for Cosmic. Aurgh! I wish the two orgs could get along better, but the hardest problems in technology always seem to be people problems, not technical ones. I've also been trying out the Fedora 37 beta for a few weeks, and that's been just fine. So whatever happens there will be a bunch of fine options to choose from suppose.
GNOME developers have been known as extremely toxic and, I would say, even authoritarian. They want it to be their way or no way, intentionally killing off more and more possibilities for customization and even trying to force the developers of other open source projects to follow their guidelines even though it's none of their business (as it was the case with Transmission torrenting app). Sure, it's their project and they can do whatever they want with it, but they are being extremely inconstructive when it comes to the feedback of the users and even their fellow developers, doing damage to the whole community.
Very well done video! I only use LTS releases so I don’t care the in-between releases.
Looking forward to the cosmic desktop. It's going to be fun to see. It's so rare that I need the latest version of a piece of software (other than my browser). Anything that reduces the gnome of gnome extensions in my life is good.
Oh, by the way thanks for what you do! I like your content, and love your enthusiasm.
I love Linux, but because of one game WarZone I have not been able to fully switch. I can do editing and stuff like that but gaming online is where I find it is quite a bit more difficult to get working and I do not want to waste a bunch of time when I could be playing! Great video by the way!
Are the audio issues inside of Pop!_OS still present on anyone's computer? I never quite new how to fix it but I saw it being adressed on matrix and so on.
Oh the alliteration!
Well done!
Thanks for this video too, probably saved me a lot of heartache with xmonad.
Distro Hoping Into Oblivion - BEST BAND NAME EVER!
That alliteration bit got me. Well done. subbed
Fantastic video! I've been in and out of PopOS for some time. I was dual booting and using PopOS for everything except shooting/editing videos. I could never get a reliable connection to my canon DSLR in OBS on Linux or any distro or it would be my only choice for an OS.
Thank you! Canon DSLR stuff is a bit tricky in my experience. I use a Avermedia capture card now with my Lumix and it's working great.
I use Arch (btw?!) but yeah .. tiling is definitely the way to go if you're a developer. Sooooo much more streamlined and, somehow, fun ...oh ... and AwesomeWM's (pun intended :P
Entertaining! I'm in the Nome camp but that's me....as well as tried Pop OS for about a month hated the fact it wouldn't keep or use my wall papers or keep the power settings I set so I left and went to Endeavor OS and been happy for the last month so far. Also can't stand gnome but happy with KDE.
Great video. I've used some version of Linux since 1996. I use Debian, but I do really like the tiling windows Pop_Os has.
Best Liux content creator by far. Thank you for making things simple to understand and follow. That's the right to bring more people to Linux. I keeo seeing guids like 'oh yah, just git this, install that, chuck this in your environment variables and you're done' and I'm like what??????
Of it's possible to make a video about setting up optimus switching so that the laptop can automatically start the dedicated gpu when needed (say a game) that would be amazing. Thank you so much!
I'm not a Pop!_OS user, but I hope it will be smooth sailing for them. It's been increasingly common for people to suggest it as a beginner friendly distro. Because of that, it will affect many people's perceptions on open source operating systems in general if something goes wrong. I trust they'll do well though
I'm super excited to see what Rust based linux is gonna be like. Be it kernel modules, desktop environments, anything! Been using Pop!_OS ever since I became a software developer, and hardly ever left it.
Pos!_OS is working for me right now. I do have some minor issues, but there is usually enough info how to fix them, as most of them are not entirely distro specific.
i still think that installing packages via the distro's package manager is the way to go, that's basically why I'm on arch, but seeing everyone recommending the use of flatpaks... it's getting hard to ignore, maybe I'll need to give it a try
Would you do a video on the advantages and disadvantages of encrypting a laptop's hard drive? Does is get complicated or annoying if you have multiple users on the same computer? I ordered a System76 laptop, and will have to decide whether to encrypt the drive very soon.
Thank you!
The correct way is is as you stated "Guh-Nome". It is like GIF images, I don't care one way or the other if people pronounce it as "J"IF or "G"IF.
hey el!my windows xp work rly greate ,but some chat functions in face book r gone ,but i afraid if i install any linux ,then i can see only 2d text in my desktop,that i didnt know how to use it :)
I’m totally fine with them skipping release cycles to accelerate rollout of the Rust version of Cosmic. I’m really looking forward to that and will probably replace Gnome with it on my other distros.
Being a Linux Mint user, which only gets major updates every two years, I don't have any issues at all with Pop!_OS skipping 22.10. But given the sheer number of desktop environments we already have for Linux, not to mention stand-alone window managers, I wish System76 would focus on making their System76 tools DE (and distro) agnostic instead of marrying them to GNOME or COSMIC.
Hello Veronika,
As a Linux beginner (even though I've been using Linux for over 10 years), I really liked your video about Pop-OS. A distro that I really like. Unfortunately, this distro is not as “handy” as Linuxmint Cinnamon, for example. Therefore it would be great if you could show more about Pop-OS. For example, I have already failed to install a Wireguard client that is supposed to access the Wireguard server on my NAS... It's just not quite Debian (I manage it here without any problems) but Ubuntu-like.
I would be very happy if you could show something more in depth here, since it is probably the distribution you mainly use.
Thank you for your great videos, keep it up!
Best regards,
Rene
Nice FFVI wind sound effect reference!
You’re my favourite tech youtuber, love your videos!
Thank you so much!!