How to set pins for bowhunting l Ranch Fairy
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Dude you make more sense than a hundred you tube heroes. Thank you so much for your hard work and sharing. This obviously needs some time to take in and go over for myself. I have learned more and questioned my assumptions more since finding your channel than anything I have studied about archery. Please keep sharing.
Gilbert Von Schluup's guest appearance in this one was GOLD!
Bro I wish someone told me that along time ago that’s genius
Love how you explain stuff "dumb it down".
And as far as the bashers go. Troy has NOTHING to gain out of this. He's just trying to help. If he had and gain out of this, you'd be paying to watch this video.
Good video bro
Well, he has money to gain from these videos. Hence the ads
I shot single pin for years-then got modern with a 5 pin set up for the new (faster) bow... 4 of them are now being removed...THANK YOU RF
I’ve been shooting with my first pin at 15yds for about 3yrs now. Good to 20yds with the forest pin. You’re right about shooting at elevated stands. The trajectory is definitely different and everyone should practice that way. I really want to get into the high foc arrows. Just been procrastinating.
From a fairly new bow hunter I like this idea .I personally wont take a shot past 30 . Going to change my sights today . Thanks for the info you put out !!!
I’m shook. Been struggling at the 30-40 yard pin gap for over 10 years, but always assumed it was poor form caused by the steeply sloped section in my back yard range. 37 yards kicked my butt so many times that I actually have passed a couple deer until they could get out of the gap, weather that meant in to 30 or out to 40 yards. Looking back at all those shots and how one or two steps can change my trajectory so much is eye opening. I couldn’t make the EZV work for me, but this is gold.
The 17-18 yd zero is basicly using the point blank zero from a rifle. Anywhere in that range will be in the "kill zone" all things equal
Provided you have pinpoint groups, which usually isnt the case in an archery hunting scenario.
Absolutely correct Chris Holley. It took 15 years of rifle hunting and accidentally running into an article on "point blank range" before I learned about it. Now I'm trying to figure out how to do the same with my bow. Thank you Ranch Fairy for your educational information.
MIND BLOWN. Makes sense from where I’m sitting and am definitely going to attempt to apply this to my set up. Thanks
You showed those data graphs and my fuzzy little head almost exploded... with that being said, you point makes a lot of sense. I have been gettin into situations where I seem to be getting shots at 26 & 36 yards this year. Jus lucky I guess but had I doped my pins in this manner, things my not have been astronomical in differences but In a game of inches, this would have made a difference. Ill try it
He's a smart man this bloke. I like watching this channel.
Finally someone who does it like me. I didnt want to say anything bc I "would be wrong" even though I always had more deer on the ground than them. I do it just a tad bit different though. I go back to 25 yards and zero. Aim a heart and only 3 inches higher at 5-10 yards 1 inch higher at 15 though 20 and so on. Only 1 inch low at 30. Rarely did I shoot at 30 but my Kentucky windage had to come into play at that point. 500 grain arrow also
I still use 20/30/40 etc but everyone I help set up and and guide into the sport I start them at 5 and walk them back so they can visualise and learn what the arrow does. Some are amazed. Some don’t believe the magic. We shoot field rounds with targets at 5y and you’re using the 30 maybe 40 pin to hit. I’m a big proponent in learning your trajectory from real close to your max hunting distance.
I agree and subscribe to this same idea of utilizing one pin and have used it for years on whitetails with success. I don't use a slider although some of my sights are slider sights, I adjust for the average trajectory for my setup and I know that from point blank out to about 32 yards, I can hold on to the "point of the shoulder" and be accurate, especially for stand hunting for whitetails. I'm in the rural northeast and if my stand setup is within this "zone" I just hold for point of shoulder. No guesswork and no confusing pins. I started using this setup back in the mid 1990's after reading a book from Roy Marlow entitled "Timeless Bowhunting." Great stuff. Thanks for bringing this to the forefront for others to consider and use. I love your videos as you communicate as a hunter first and foremost, not as a shooter!!! Thank you and keep up the excellent work!!!
The center mass part and high hit is so true. Trust me, I've seen me do it.....twice.
Awesome Ranch Fairy! I will try and test the 15-yard pin setup and see how it goes thank you for your support! 10-4!
Hey great idea, I've been doing this for years, mainly because I got tired of the deer never being at the "normal" ranges. Kinda like point on aiming. Have even had some set at odd ranges so one pin would start when the other stopped, using 3" over/ under.
Another great video brother!
I’m in, have got on board with the heavy arrows and inserts . Love the way they penetrate the targets. Can’t wait for a pass through. Pics coming!
I've actually have been setting my pins at 15/20, 25, 30, 35, 40/45 for about 2yrs just because with the area I hunt and my bow with my arrow set up that's what it needs.
Makes sense and hilarious as usual. I haven't laughed that hard in a few days. Thanks RF!
"Your friends will make fun of you"
Well I dont have any that bow hunt, so jokes on you RF! Or dang, maybe I do need better friends 🤣
Used a single pin on my hunting bows forever. “The 5 second rule”. You can spend an entire season waiting, picking your nose, eating your sandwich 2 hours early. Within 5 seconds, You have to qualify, draw, aim and execute a clean shot and the last thing I want to have to do in that 5 seconds is look through a busy sight window and make my brain choose the most appropriate pin. BTW single aiming points work wonders for firearms as well.
I'm with you. I shoot 1 pin 0 through 33 yards without worry about floating. Can't tell you how many times friends used wrong pin in moment of truth. Plus a lot of bows are so fast now the pins would be on top of each other at 15 and 25.
Broken Arrow the assumption with this setup is that you’re using “adult arrows”
I’m just here sitting patiently waiting on the 350 grain arrow flapper shooters comment saying they 1 pin it out to 800 yards with there 1200 FPS bows 🤦♂️
It's all about shot placement....LOLOL
pro tip: watch series on flixzone. Me and my gf have been using it for watching a lot of movies lately.
@Troy Blaine Yea, have been watching on flixzone for months myself =)
@Troy Blaine Yea, been using Flixzone for years myself =)
Troy I love your videos and methods. Never even heard if insert tuning and notch tuning. Also never imagined shooting arrows without fletchings. You really opened my eyes (and cost me a lot of time and money). But you also saved me a lot of headaches. BTW, watching someone shoot a bow is not boring. So shoot more on camera. I am definitely a visual learner. And use Dilbert in all your vids, hilarious. Even my wife laughs! Thank you for what you do. Please keep posting.
Just love your outta the box thinking. It’s so refreshing, those compound bow ‘superheroes’ are so boring 💤
Except he's not out of the box. He is dealing within known physical laws, using them to make people more successful! I'm glad he's broken the Dilbert mold so that we can glean from his hard work and much analytical data. This guy deserves some serious awards in the archery community
Never consider this suggestion before, I just bought a Hoyt 2021 Ventum and will put on a multi pin sight. Testing of this suggestion will happen after hunting season. My other bow is zeroed with broadheads and I don’t feel comfortable switching 2 weeks before archery.
Your suggestion sounds very practical given my limited knowledge of physics.
Thanks.
Was excited to see a new video pop up from the Ranch Fairy!!! Nice video buddy
It seems like a good suggestion. I’ve been subscribed for a while now, love your philosophy. I just wished you would’ve taken the time, no matter how long the video would’ve turned out, to actually show us step by step how to do the arrow test and pins setup. I know you wrote everything down and it seems self explanatory, but some of us still like and need the visuals as reinforcement. Plus I got time to kill. Thanks, your bow hunting community neighbor, RW.
Your videos changed my perspective on bow hunting. Just like the rest of the bandwagon jumped on the lite arrows with lite flappy things. I’m going to try this keep putting out content man.
Thank you RF. Cant wait to try, and I woke my wife up giggling lol stay safe live hard and god bless brother.
yes, I will definitely be doing this. Great idea, great data, thanks for the advice. makes sense to me.
I have been shooting 1 pin set at 25 yards for years. Over the last 20 years have only shot 2 deer over 30 yards. Makes life easier.
Thank you. I've actually thought about doing just this. Mostly because of my hunting area and the distances that I'll be hunting. Starting at 15yds just makes sense. Why not give it a shot. Definitely saving this video so I can reference it when needed.
Your awesome man, thanks for all the tips and help, I am looking forward to using the EZV
Favorite CZcams superhero.
Great idea! I recently converted to adult arrows with high foc so gotta move my pins anyway so why not!?..Definitely worth the try...thanks RF!
I use to shoot a single pin left it on 27 yards and was good from 20 to 35 softball but missed a deer at 6 totally agree awesome will def try this out
I had a range in my backyard back in the 90's & I did most of my shooting elevated from a 🌳 setup. The pendulum sight b4 it would break cuz they all did would slowly go up as you moved to a target closer to u. However as soon as u would shoot under 11 yards crazy stuff would happen due to the steep angle. The EZV sight is very good from shooting above whether it would be practicing or in a true hunting scenario & that thing AINT breakin.
I agree with 15-25. Whatever one chooses, the next step is walk-back tuning with your broadheads and field points. Lot of good stuff out there for the method. If your primary critter is elk... you might want to start at 25... and walk back!
Awesome information and video Troy. Thank you for doing so much of the homework for us.
Bobby Worthington has a very similar set up. His sights are 16, 25,30,35,etc. his book bow hunting trophy whitetails goes in depth of why he sets them the way he does and it’s very similar to what you just said.
Great vid there... at 3yds I am on my 60pin 4yds - 50pin 5yds - 40pin 6yds 30pin an then from 7yds my 20pin is good all the way through to 20yds. For the exact reason of shooting animals under the treestand
I also aim for the exit point on the animal(what I mean it where I want the arrow to exit - on the other side of the vitals) rather than the entry point.
“Kentucky Windage” ...a specialty only perfected by shooting 3D with a crappy bow and no rangefinder..
Heck yeah, its a lost art.
I've shot a good number of deer the past 34 years, & I can't say that I've had the chance to range find a single one of them before shooting. I may range find surrounding trees ahead of time, but I would still use single fixed pin regardless of the bow being used. Live deer seldom stand in my pre-selected 20 yard spots like my 3D targets.
Copy thanks !! I won’t use pins again if you know what I mean!!😜
Every time in your intro when I see those pictures of wizards I laugh so hard thinking about new people who found your channel wondering what the hell was that lol
Keeping it fresh
@@RanchFairy love it, doing the process right now, making a video on my experience with it. Wife is going into labor and slowing things down though....lol
@@stark_outdoors
She can blame me.
@@RanchFairy hahahahahahah
Listened to a podcast with Andre Daquisto and although he runs a single pin, he sets it at 18 yards. Says he’s pretty much good with that from ultra close to 26 yards if he aims for the middle of the deer.
WHAT PINSSSSSSSS?
EZV HAS NO PINS.....AND I LOVE IT
couldn't you still set ezv up normal then adjust it to 15 25 35 and still account for deer drop..? Or is this moronic?
I did this on my 3 pin. Made sense to me.
Well I'm off to try that! Man I just love your attitude and tips! Keep em coming!
So I charted my trajectory this summer and found almost exactly what big Mike had. I set my pins at 15, 25 and 35. My average shot, kill or not for my career, is 14 yards....makes sense to have a 15 yard pin.
can't believe I haven't done this yet! You're so on the money with hitting high out of tree stands. it happens fast...
Been using this process and a single pin for over 30 years. I hate hearing people make the old excuse," I used the wrong pin by mistake"!
Nice video! I, Like you, prefer the one pin sight. I keep it on the 30 yard mark by default. It shoots almost identical to my 20 and most of my shots happen in that range
great video Troy learn something new every day I will for sure try this out
I've only been bow hunt a few years . I'm going to have to give this a try
I will definitely try this over the summer for next season, the first deer I shot with a bow I lost because I had a 20 yard pin she was at 15 so I aimed low and didn’t aim low enough and hit the spine and never found her, sense that happened I have practiced and learned that my 20 yard pin is also good at 10 yards just hits high between them
I taught archery myself for the most part and two decades ago I received my first compound bow. First thing I realized shooting at targets, starlings and squirrels is that all of my successful shots were under 18 yards. Second thing was that my arrow flight from 9-21 yards contained less than a 6 inch difference. Bam boom! Set the first pin at 20 and judge the rest by feel up to the next pin which became a 27-45yard pin. Originally a 3 pin that’s now a 2 pin because one broke and what’s the point beyond 50
I just picked my bow up for the first time in 10 years to learn bow hunting and actually intuitively just decided that 15 was gonna be my first pin. I read that the difference between 10 and 20 is negligible, so naturally I wanted to have the 25 as second sight, and so on.
I'm definitely trying this. Makes sense. I zero my ar pistols at 36. Due to better in between distances.
I like it. I’ll give it a try tomorrow. It’s not like you’re telling people to shoot their bow facing backwards, and project the actual bow while holding the arrow. People need to relax.
This idea makes sense to me. As soon as my adult arrows arrive I'll be trying this.
I run 15 25 so on out to 65 just started shooting the ranch fairy test kit my bows loving 599 to 601 gr bare shaft total finished weight 630 grain with a 18.6 foc cant wait to see what its gonna do
Pass through - and bones are in trouble - BUT ALAS - don’t forget adult broadheads!!
I'm going with redline masaai 200
Gave it a try and I'm liking it so far. 15 and 20 are practically the same and at 10 I dont have to aim so low. Same for 20 and 30.
Manly Avinger
Yup, almost a no brainer and deer NEVER jump UP. So a little low......
Makes perfect sense to me!
Wow, I've been doing the 15 yard pin for quite a while, so it's nice to hear that the Wizard approves. I think for the past few years my average shot on a whitetail has been 11-12 yards, so why set the first pin for 20? I shot from 8 to 20 yards and really saw no appreciable difference in point of impact, so it also works great for turkey hunting. Get them close, shoot a 600+ grain arrow, with a scary sharp fixed blade broadhead (I like Magnus Black Hornet SerRazors the best), and then watch them fall!
I find that the 10 yard pin is more important than a 20. Especially on bait. But yeah, 15 makes since. I'll try it. Always playin' with my shizzle, anyway.
I have been watching troy for some time been a big help I hunt with a X-bow and yes a lot of this does crossover to us x-bow guys so tell your friends that for one reason or another hunt the x-bow get on board with this it's awesome iam in the process of doing a 550 up 800gn package I'll have pictures soon thank you Troy for all the help.
Me too. Horton Vision 175. Old school huh?
“Get better friends”😂
Lee Guffy
It’s a common thing
Ranch Fairy. YOU ARE AWESOME
Thank you
I’m new to archery and just got my first bow , I set my top pin to 15 yards before I even saw this video. I just figured 15 was a good starting point then go up from there. It just made sense to me
Dilbert shoots SIG. At least he has good taste in handguns.
Love your videos
Love that intro😂😂😂
Just the video I needed 👍
I have always done this. Works for me.
To my first shot with an adult arrow . I have 3 pins . I the heat of the moment. Miss just the yardage a little. Shot was a little low. My first pin has always been at 10yds. My give the first pin at 15 a try. Was happy with the adult arrow penation. Feed the coyotes last night .
I shoot single pin slide . But I do like the idea of the 15yrd pin or in my case 15yrd setting. Had a-lot of 5 to 15yrd encounters last season. In fact i shot my buck at 18yrds.
Very very interesting…. I like it…..
This is basically what we do with rifles to get the "lucky " follow up shot and know what the hold is. I wish I had this sooner!
Sam Ivey
A 200 yard zero on a normal rifle is the 15 yard pin!!!
You've once again helped to make things a heckuva lot easier!
Awesome stuff
I really like this idea I hunt elk and you never know what the range will be. Well back to more pratice.
Good stuff as usual. I’ll have to mess around with it with my 5 pin. Still deciding if I’m going to go pins or EZV this fall.
Those of us who don’t hunt in tree stands and hunt elk/deer out west might not get as much benefit from this sight setup.
I was literally gonna do this very thing. I missed twice this past season at close range. Part because bambi is psychic and the other, i aimed with a 20yrd pin
I'm going to try it out thanks for the information
Incert wise crack remark here !
I don’t have one but if I did I would! 😂 ❤ 🏹🐗🏹🦌🏹🐗
Dad and I were driving around the desert looking for deer and i thought i had everything figured out at 16yld. I always see deer far away and so all my focus was on how far can i set my pins. we drove past a coyote standing next to the road so dad backed up and he's still standing there. Its the middle of the desert so good chance were the first people he has ever seen. i jump out and knock an arrow and I had every pin drawing a line up his chest. arrow went right over his head. I believe my first pin was at 25yds, but lessen learned. i went home and made myself a 15yrd pin. sure enough a few days later i shoot a huge mule deer on the trot at 15yds. defiantly would have missed if i didn't get that opportunity to learn form that coyote.
I shoot a single pin just switched to it last year I like it a lot. But I raise the sight up a bit and have it set to the lowest point is 15 yards. At 10 and 20 they hit right in the killzone. Good idea. I like it that way because if a deer comes in under 20 yards you don't have a lot of time to play with you sight. More good info from old ranchy
This makes pretty good sense!
I think this might help with my sight situation. Going with the heavier arrows (750gr) I have been running the lower end of my slider to get 40. I can get out to about 50, obviously that’s just for target, not chasing whitetail. So yeah I like the idea of starting at 15. Thanks!
Love it!i use 5 yard increments my friends laugh but I’ve never actually shot past 40.at 40 I guess I’d just center my 35?its work for me for 30 plus years.and with a 16%foc 500 grain set up I’ve never had speed anyhow .the 125 grain buzz cuts seem too really like heart shots also😃
11:13 "...I been a man my whole life" lol. Dig ya dude
Mark C.
It’s kind of a fact unless I reorient my gender
Omg the banana 🍌 killing me!!!
Good stuff, I actually carry a dope card with me for my different arrow weights, and my pins are at weird yardages for all of the dope, I never have deer come in at those 5 or 10 yard increments LOL
Thanks man 😄💪🏹
Other than my recurves, I dont have a bow that doesnt hit point on from 5 to 20 yards or more, depending on the bow. I do have a 230fps crossbow which has a flat trajectory to 15 yards before drop is realized but thats it. Even my Oneida (shooting 770 grain arrow) if flat past 15 yards. I like what you are saying here, because I did the same in the 80's but none of my bows are that slow now-a-days.
Thanks for that! I’ll try it!
Come to think of it. Most of the deer I have seen and had shot opportunities on have been the in between 2 pins distances. Like 35, 45, 65, etc
So in one of your videos you playfully slammed the Easton FMJ arrows. What would you suggest using? This season is my first attempt hunting with a bow and i bought arrows at a locat store not really knowing what I should do and I walked out with FMJ flapping Twizzlers. If I wanted to build an arrow to start with what would your suggestions be for materials. Goal is Mule deer and white tail in ND badlands. I'm gonna see about returning the flappers since the packaging is still nice and i haven't shot but two of them thus far.
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Shooting a 500 gr crossbow bolt sighted with scope crosshairs for 20 yards will definitely cause you to shoot several inches high at 12 to 15 yards. I learned this the hard way be aiming center on a feeding jake and cut the feathers of its back having NOT practiced at close range. Most bow/crossbow hunters practice at 20 and further, but set a tree stand at that 12 to 15 yards from a trail and wonder why they hit high. If sighted in at 15 yards, on deer, am guessing that you can basically aim center out to 25 yards and arrow drop will assist with deer drop at the longer range. This mostly applies to shooting ADULT arrows traveling at lower velocities as a result of shooting arrow setups that actually kill stuff.
I'm trying to grasp this idea better are you closing distances between pins for yardage to have more pins possibly cover your target spot in case the yardage was misjudged on your target?