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Do you need a steamer for auto detailing? YES. Here's 5 reasons why
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- čas přidán 31. 12. 2018
- Steam cleaning and auto detailing. The two MOST DEFINITELY go hand in hand. On almost every detail we perform at Hawk Pro Detailing, we use steam. Check out the video to see what we use -- and why!
If you'd like to buy the VX5000, you can find it here: amzn.to/2TIX77x
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My interior products of choice!!!
Bio Break Pre Spray w/enzymes (for stained/nasty carpets): bit.ly/BioBreakPreSpray
Flex Ice neutralizing extractor mix: bit.ly/FlexIce
Mytee Lite Hot Water Extractor: bit.ly/HotWaterExtractor
Ridgid Vacuum: bit.ly/RidgidVac
Anti-wicking spray for cloth seats (Spot Stop): bit.ly/SpotStopBottle
URINE NEUTRALIZER (amazing for ice melt): bit.ly/UrineNeutralizerForIce...
VX5000 steamer: bit.ly/VX5000
California Air Tools Air Compressor: bit.ly/AirCompressorHawkPro
Tornador Black interior cleaning gun: bit.ly/TornadorBlack
Optimum Power Clean: bit.ly/AllPurposeCleanerHawkPro
Meguiar’s D4510 Plastic & Vinyl Coating: bit.ly/PlasticVinylCoating
Omni Air Mover (one directional, it's cheaper than the circular one): bit.ly/OmniAirMover
Best Odor Counteractant: bit.ly/OdorProduct
Encap-Clean DS2 (the one-step product I talked about with red writing on the white bottle): bit.ly/ENCAPCLEANDS2
Spot Remover: bit.ly/SpotRemoverHawkPro
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Hawk Pro Detailing is based in Heber City, Utah: hawkprodetailing.com/
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My favorite paint correction tools:
Scangrip Headlamp (amazing for interior detailing & polishing): bit.ly/HeadLampScanGrip
Flex Rotary Polisher: bit.ly/FlexRotaryBuffer
Rupes Dual Action Polisher: bit.ly/RupesDualActionPolisher
If you like the idea of a simple paint correction system, with one compound and one fantastic polish, use promo code “HAWK” for 15% off on Oberk’s website (they have awesome pads, too):
bit.ly/OberkPaintCorrection
Check out some of my favorite detailing products of all time:
Optimum No Rinse: bit.ly/NoRinseOptimum
Blue Magic Clay Bar: bit.ly/ClayBarHawkPro
Mineral Deposit Remover (use before paint correction, so water spots don't come back a week after you "polish them away" -- also a great product to "revive" water beading on a coating after winter salt): bit.ly/MDRHawkPro
Dupli Color Paint Prep (great prep before wax, sealant or coating. Also a lifesaver on an interior windshield when you can't get those pesky streaks): bit.ly/GreaseAndWaxRemover
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#SteamCleaning #AutoDetailing #VX5000
I have spent a lot of money on the purchase of equipment and I still haven’t finished, I lost my job six months ago and I still can’t start my bussines, my wife says that I return everything but watching your videos I don’t give up, I like this job, thanks amigo.
Hope you’re doing better, if not then still don’t give up!
Juan can’t give up keep moving forward even if it’s an inch a day your making progress. Get out there and just do the work clean clean clean even if your not making a lot of money that’s how you start
Keep going amigo don't give up Me Too! I have spent a lot of money on equipment but I know one day I will open my business auto detailer here in Seattle
Just keep going! I'm starting mine and i started without all this equipment just work your way up. start now
He can’t respond guys the repo got his phone
Just used a steamer for the first time today to deep clean my car interior. In a word.......AWESOME. Used your advice. Work quickly when using around leather, vinyl. Perfect. Nothing got too hot, nothing damaged. Did not use around instrumentation. Where it shined---DOOR JAMBS! Good freakin' gosh man......emulsified the dirt in short order. Another area. FABRICS and CARPETS. WOW. Deep cleans those suckers like no other can and probably sterilized them too! Granted, I only have the McCullough, but i'm just a weekend driveway detailer and will never use it professionally so the McCullough works perfectly fine for me. Came with so many attachments i'll never use them, but the two main ones to have are the Triangle head, and the spray tip head. I used those extensively. And I wrapped the triangle with a microfiber for use on all the fabrics. Fantastic. Two enthusiastic thumbs up for a steamer in car detailing. One of the best "tools" or "toys" you can get for detailing. My second most useful tool for interiors is my George numatic extractor. I love that thing and it truly sucks out some incredible amounts of GUNK you never see with the naked eye. I don't care how much you clean, scrub with a brush, wipe with a microfiber, it doesn't matter. When you suck out that crap with an extractor and pour out that BLACK WATER, you realize you must have an extractor for effective deep cleaning of fabrics/carpets/mats.
Yessir! Steamer is amazing and nothing beats extractor for a "true clean" of carpet/upholstery. I have a nice tool to boost a "budget" extractor in terms of performance... coming up in my next video:)
@@HawkProDetailing Great, looking forward to seeing that video and what the tool is.
@@joevanseeters2873 just posted:)
This young fella deserves more likes and more subs. We all need to spread his channel around.
+matt caser thanks Matt! Appreciate it. Trying to share what I know but I’m also aware that y’all have a ton of knowledge too. We can all learn every day and I’m having fun so far👍
I've seen scores of these detailing CZcamss, and this is the first time I've heard a detailer say "dwell time." Great!
"When the vapor dissipates"....best suspense scene I have seen in detail videos in a while ;)
I do waterless wash pretty often with my detailing service but never thought of using steam prior to it.
Great suggestion so I thank you
It works great on rims especially touching up a car prior to coating
@@HawkProDetailingWhat is the make and model of the machine?
Sou do Brasil
I see how a steamer would end up paying for itself. Thanks.
I picjed up a US Steam Falcon this year. Love it! Its been used on my cars, in my home and even my kitchen to steam some fish. No complaints here
Nice! What did ya pay for it
I subbed for the sound fx, thanks for showing off that steamer for us too
I bought a steamer to clean the engine of my car but I agree with you of many use of a stem machine!
This guy has it figured out. You sold me. Thanks!
Glad I could help! Wish I made money off the sale lol
Love your content! Mickey sound effects! I agree I use a steam vacuum with liquid injection for covid steam cleans it's a winner and fast! Keep up the great work xhamp!
Great videos! You make it fun! Nice work!
So what should I stay away from when using a steamer? Just bought a Wagner 915e.
Cleaning exterior paint with steamer is next level stuff 🔥👏🏾 always thought it would leave damages forsure
Cool vid. Loving the content. Probably not gonna invest in the vx5000 bit looking at the Harbor Freight one. I just detail and look after a few people so I don't see the need to invest that amount.
Keep em coming!
+Gordon Loving nice man! I have a problem spending money on “the best” stuff sometimes. Just wanna be able to do the most stuff, ya know? I hear the McCullough is pretty good. When it comes to value and versatility though - steamers are where it’s at. Once you get a mommy van full of candy stuck to plastics and carpets and you can’t get it out until you try the steamer...you’ll understand:)
It’s a great tool . Thanks for the info .
Thank you sir this has been helpful 🙂. Do you have the link for this steamer?
Still love watching other auto detailers in the industry, great job!
This is sooo helpful!
Thanks man! I go a little overboard with the exterior stuff in this video but I especially love steamer for interior details and floor mats
Great information, thank you so much 👍
Great video!!
Thanks I learning a Lott from you thanks again I love the Steelers tell me the brand and the model thanks again your friend Manny
+many valdes I love my VX5000 and vapor Chief 100 continuous fill
Excellent video & I cannot live another day without a steamer.
Great information....👍
i hope you will reply- i have velour cloth interior in my car i believe this will have higher absorbancy as far as steam cleaning and it retaing water. Will i need to use a heated water extractor also?
what temperature do you have your steamer set at?? please and thank you!
Would you consider doing a video on the Vapor Rino?
Spent big money on a extractor, recently bought a McCulloch steamer, haven’t used the extractor since, steamer is best bang for the money!
+Richard Precision Detail I love my extractor. But I couldn’t live without my steamer for detailing 💪
Nice vidéo!
I I am in Michigan and I use mine for the salt in the carpet from peoples boots and it works great
You need to mention how steam will kill flea eggs, bacteria. Some people have their pets loose in their car, so the steam is absolutely the most effective and nontoxic way to get something clean. I'm looking into buying one for my own personal use more in the house. I never eat or drink in my cars, nor allow others to do so. It's not a restaurant and that's that.
I went to the chemist of a carpet company and he says you have to be careful what you promise with steam. sanitize vs disinfect etc etc it's all very technical and while I love steam apparently it doesn't do ALL the health-related things some detailers claim as far as total cleaning goes
@@HawkProDetailing Thanks for the info!
Very informative and entertaining video as usual, thanks. I do have a question though. Have you ever tried a steamer to remove road tar, if so how well does it work?
It can be helpful but some road tar is nearly impossible and dependent upon your chemical. Try koch chemie eulex it's the best I've found
@@HawkProDetailing Goof off, or a 50/50 mix of xylene and acetone and no, it won't damage the clear but melts the tar like iron remover melts iron.
@ W G road tar melts using prep solvent and 100% clear coat safe.. xylene id stay away from for very bad for us,and acetone is a NO NO .. acetone eats epoxy which is 1 of the toughest chem, and FYI car finishes contain epoxy for durability.. alsp always use gloves handling any such chems.. try some acetone on a nitrile glove and see how it breaks into shreds .. mineral spirits also good..even kerosene works if my memory serves me correct ,and these100% clear coat safe for automotive refinishes. But kerosene i use always for greasy or dirty engine oil smudge sludge removal and best motorcycle bicycle chain cleaner beats any fancy packaged store stuff.. cheers
@@Michelle-Eden acetone used for removing epoxy wet or cured even.. automotive refinishes contain epoxy for durability and other solvents that acetone easily defeat! You just maybe never had to soak a paint job in acetone and look what happened to the paint moths later ESPECIALLY if its a recent refinish 1-2 yr acetone ,gun wash keeps working and much later comes the SAD SURPRISE peeling paint, lifting, dulling without shinig back up from cut polishing..
I would be more enthusiastic about using a steamer on heavy caked on salt to removing on the driver side carpeting. That’s has to be one hardest test when it comes to interior details besides tons of animal and paint.
Like the examples. Noticed you said that you use Bead Maker on the door kick plate. Even if you knock it down with a microfiber towel, aren't you concerned about the plastic being slippery for the customer because of the slickness Bead Maker leaves behind. Maybe a plastic trim dressing like Stoner Trim Shine or the equivalent would be safer.
CHRIS OUSLEY i hear that. I didn’t really over think that part - but point taken:)
Do you used stem for the grease in the motor
Cool how you practice your move man...just like when I did wax on wax off things...
😁
You are totally geeky. Subscribed.
Thank you 😂
Thank u
It works for remove paint?
i subscribed in less than 2 minutes, i barely got through the intro before deciding i needed to sub
My man 💪
Dried pollen on trim. We recently added steamers to our arsenal an now I don't see why we didn't do it sooner
steamers are amazing
I will go into twenty twenty four what's steam would you suggest
What is the point of doing a water less wash ? Im a begginer and i dont understand why ?
There was a professional detailer on Jay Leno's channel who had a "steam only" detailing business. That's all he used. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on that, and whether that is really possible. Thank you.
They make dry ice machines now that are utilized like a steamer. They primarily use them for undercarriage, but they are safe for the entire vehicle, interior as well. They are expensive and require special compressors, but they are insane. You literally can make the entire vehicle look brand new.
Thank you, I did see it demonstrated on Rag Company a while back. But like you say, they have a bit of a way to go before everyman usage. Would be nice to one day not use sponges and rags.
cool, any way you can show us better an before and after?
+Wade haha I might make a new video
can you steam the dirt and immediately right behind it vaccum it off, will that be affective
I always prefer to get out dirt "dry" with a vacuum, brush, air compressor etc. Once you introduce moisture it turns to mud. With that said.. can it be done with steamer to get under seats and such where your vacuum wont reach? Yes
Is the steam safe for paint?
Muy bueno Gracias
+David Lopez 🙏
Using the steamer aggainst the panels at that temperature,would not take off sealants waxs or ceramic coatings?
Not a coating but possibly a wax or sealant...I try not to overthink it. My final step will typically be Hyper Seal from Optimum sprayed on the panel as a drying aid
Great channel...nice vid
thanks so much! Are you a detailer as well?
@@HawkProDetailing yes I am
@@AAProfessionalServices Sweet. Where at?
Mississippi. Checkout.the channel
imma do that right now lol
What’s the best quality and affordable steamer for people starting out?
Mcculloch 1375
Do you add anything after to give it a shine or does the steam do the trick?
steam will help clean, but you can always add a sealant or wax after (on paint) or a leather/vinyl dressing on hard interior surfaces...the possibilities are endless lol
How about a leather steering wheel-is steam an effective cleaner?
Can you take stains out of carpets with them and kill the smell??
Today I detailed a customers car. She left a review, was a heavy smoker.
New to the channel. Good stuff gonna subscribe!
I’ve ordered a steamer today 👍🏼
Which one?
@@HawkProDetailing Dupray Neat
My question is, do you ever use any cleaners with the steamer. Like add to the tank?
It's not recommended to add chemicals to any steamer tank.. I use a commercial steamer, the additives will cause build up and wouldn't be good for the internals
No it's water only u can't pour anything except water not even carbo ated ur gonna kill ur steamer
Great question. I wanted to know also
$1000 steamer vs my $40 bissell steam shot??? Will it work? I will try it this weekend.
Lol tell me what you find out
Where can I buy a steam gun
Is it safe to use on interior buttons or does it ruin electrics?
Totally fine
I also use steam in the engine bay.
+deGroot Auto Care good call 👍
How long can you go using the chief steamer before it Hass to warm back up? where would you suggest purchasing one and what are your thoughts on the 125 model. Thanks for the videos.
Chief Steamer has a slight edge over VX5000 in my mind. I love my current model. Just keep pouring water into basin periodically and it pretty much runs like a champ. If you steam like crazy for a minute or two STRAIGHT it sometimes needs to catch up. But if you are steaming, wiping, steaming etc it just keeps on ticking
But a Optima or a Lamborghini
Sometime it leaves white dry water stain behind. How i prevent that
I would contact your steamer manufacturer directly to ask. Just curious -- on what surfaces does it leave those white stains?
Use distilled water.
Can a steamer be unplugged while using?
Not ideal. I've been guilty about a million times lol
Man i wish y could afford the vx5000 currently using the mc1385 not as good but helps
Quiñones premium detailing do you detail professionally? I hear great things about the McCullough though :)
@@HawkProDetailing part time yes had it for about 1 year and still works common sense dont drop the wand on hard surface and once in a while flush the system
Quiñones premium detailing I hear that. Well I live the vx5000 but you can obviously get the job done with what you have. Are you mobile? Do you bring compressed air/Tornador? It’s a real hassle but man it has helped me
@@HawkProDetailing i havr a husky portable compresor got it on sale hd 169 from 199 the cfm is great about 5.2 cfm y dont own a tornador just regular blow gun gets the job done
I use the MC 1385 everyday. Don't believe the hype. It's not about how much you spend on equipment. Stay profitable, build and manage customer expectations. Under promise and over deliver. 👍
Where do you get the steamer
Honestly, I got mine on Amazon. www.amazon.com/Vapor-Systems-VX5000-Steam-Cleaner/dp/B01EAYKDVM/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1546856790&sr=8-3&keywords=vx5000+steam+cleaner
I also use a vapor chief 100 continuous fill:chiefsteamer.com/product/chief-steamer-commercial-refill-steam-cleaner-100-psi/
I am using steam to clean the headliner of a Mazdaspeed 6 that has HEEEAAAVVVVYYYYY marijuana tar in it. The tan headliner is black and very difficult to remove and deodorize. Steam works the best but still takes quite a while, coupled with some enzyme products.
Also I'm new to your videos, just seen this pop up out of nowhere, subbed on my first watch
+God Oz Joker you got this! Good luck🙏
For sure, spent a day on the interior already, a few more hours left on it.
+God Oz Joker damn dude. Still smell in there? Odors are a ton of work-I honestly want to take an odor technician class through IICRC
@@HawkProDetailing nah I got like 90 percent of the smoke out, it was so so bad. The tar was so thick and black on the headliner it took up most of my time. Door cards, seats pillars, trunk. On top of that he has a white pitbull.......and head sand everywhere from his last beach trip. Interior hadn't been cleaned in years. What is left is the vent cleaning, a second round of ozone, under the seats, and some of the really difficult spots even my skinny hands can barely reach. We should follow each other on social media and you will see the vids and pics when I finish.
Usually you should not use chemicals in combination with a steamer, because of inhaling toxic vapour. It's better to use only the steamer. This is one of the most important pluses a steamer has, you don't need chemicals anymore.
Agreed.
Love the video! Thank you! I’m just a desperate mom with a shark steamer nothing professional lol looking to clean my nasty suv!!!
+Angela Vargas you got this!!
Have you ever had trouble with steaming the buttons and electronics in a vehicle? Kind of worries me
Can we use steam on tinted windows??
Glass cleaner and newspaper is the only thing neccessary for windows, o and steel wool. Steel wool window first the. Clean. O and Fo Not steal wool inside windows. Tiny will come right off
Nice video do you recomend kärcher sc5
Never tried it...
Hawk Pro Detailing why bro???
👌👌👌Perfect
Do i need wet vaccum and how many hp
It’s nice to have a hot water extractor for sure
@@HawkProDetailing how many hp vacuum needed they sell different models
"Where the steamer REALLY SHINES is the........................
.................wait for it😦....
Dadada......'o the suspense is killing me!!!!'.......sadface-sadface-sadface
........THE CUP HOLDERS!"
LOL...Haha. Shine on oh $1000 fancy hot water maker....
Just messing with ya....loved the video! Seriously...
Actually I'm a mobile detailer myself...and I loved the cheap Harbor Frieght steamer ($100 bucks) last year in my own business...nothing works like Steam...true...buttttt I sold my Truck n Equipment last fall....(tough financial times here)....so this spring I'm working on the idea of simply using Really good spray bottles...Really hot water w/ non toxic PH adjusted diy cleaners...(vinegar, peroxide,baking soda,borax...etc)....
But my concept is....HOT WATER w/ just a bit of degreaser effect added....is a miracle worker. A couple years ago I worked as a Pressure washer in the Coal Mines...and we used Hot Water burners in the pressure washers...and I was AMAZED at how quickly and thoroughly Hot Water cleaned the most filthy dirty,oily,and grimy machines the mines had....and it greatly enhances ANY degreaser...
So for all those of you...poisoning yourself with harsh toxic chemicals :(...consider using natural products mixed correctly for maximum results...with steamer or a spray bottle with hot water...your gonna get awesome results....ok..off my soap box I go.....lol.
I liked and subscribed btw....
+Crain TV thanks brother! Have you considered carpet cleaning/tile and grout/water restoration jobs? I’m convinced that’s where the money is....time will tell but I’m definitely exploring that avenue
@@HawkProDetailing No...I hadn't considered those areas of money making possibilities...but thanks for the tips. Keep the good videos coming...you got a knack for it
@@crainspeaks5846 thanks dude. Who knows about carpets lol. Cars are way more fun:)
I use an industrial steam machine, every day for car interiors, cannot live without it. My machine has 8 bar of pressure a built in detergent tank, and vacuum for extraction. An amazing machine and leaves the material a lot dryer than a hot water extractor. Sofas,carpets mattresses it can do it all. I am mobile and gets me loads of clients who want something more eco friendly,at the same time killing germs and sanitizing.
+Anthony Nastri I love steam! Gotta be careful with it though
@@HawkProDetailing Sure of course, especially when using the gun attachment, I make sure it doesn't touch any plastics being a brass tip can melt into it. Same goes with any machine if not used the right way. I have had some burns though but that's part and parcel of the job, some people tell me it's a problem with dashboard consoles as the steam can get behind the Speedo and fog it up, but I have never had a problem with that. Obviously I don't put alot of steam down, and like you said move it around quickly. I mainly use it for seating and flooring with the flat plate and micro fibre plus using the gun on the air vents. I am careful with leather though and prefer to use the steam gun after using a magic eraser with some APC. I do mobile car detailing plus domestic cleaning like sofas,carpets and mattresses with great results. I am based in Malta in Europe. Great video I will subscribe to your channel as always looking for good tips from professional detailers.
What machine are u using?
VX 5000 ... most used on interiors, its old but its a beast. Never washed whole car with the jet option, only wheels. 11 years old , only tap water and 0 problems! I am interested to see how Chief 125 works, Optima and Furtador are awesome but their price tags are killers.
Vx is a beast i love it. I think vapor chief has a slight edge on customer service...I get charged a lot less for things when I send in vapor chief to Kevin in NJ... but both machines rock
I'd like to see it on an engine bay clean
+Scott olsen works wonders 🤓
Hawk Pro Detailing any tips for using a steamer on engine bay?
Holy shit man I’ve been thinking about buying a steam cleaner I’m definitly getting one now!! NO CHEMICALS YOOOO that’s nuts man!! I started my company about 4 months ago and have been using chemicals and rag for all that ahah thanks for making this video! Is the vc5000 the way to go?
+The Canadian Champ the VX5000 is definitely a solid choice! I use mine every day:) Buy it from amazon off my affiliate link if you wanna support me 😂but otherwise yeah vx is great. Good luck man! Just be careful with a steamer, move your hand quickly because if you let steamer dwell too long on rubber or plastics you can do some damage
I use it for car detailing
+vale leal yeah I absolutely love my steamers
It is much better to use interior and exterior steam cleaning because the steam cleaning process uses heat to soften dirt that can not be removed easily by soap.
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Do you know of any small business detailers like you in Salt Lake?
Yep! Are you looking for a detail? I can help you with some shops/businesses.
@@HawkProDetailing yes! I don't trust getting my car detailed by big business. I don't think they are thorough. I want someone who won't cut corners.
@@britanyponder4412 i'm mobile, and a bit slow given all the current craziness. If you're interested I would be happy to give you a quote:)
@@HawkProDetailing I would love that!
@@britanyponder4412 for sure! If you could just shoot me an email at info@hawkprodetailing.com I will get back to you ASAP:)
In hindsight I wish I would have bought a steamer instead of an extractor, for the versatility.
Ed Ruiz have both
i use steamer for sterilize air conditioner filter
Do these not exist anymore? Affiliate link is dead, I tried
Dang! Let me check on that link. They definitely exist:) You talking about VX5000 or vapor chief?
What about the windows??????
steam works really well on windows if you follow it up with Rag Company Gauntlet microfiber towel (no streaks). Other window towels work, but the Gauntlet's my fave. I use the small size for windows and the 20x30 for exterior drying.
How useful is a steamer on Windows?
Inside or out? It's a nice tool to have in your arsenal for certain situations especially that rubber trim on exterior windows that gets caked with dirt
What about under the hood? Engine detailing.
Yep works great 👍
I have a 3 gallon garden sprayer i fill it with hot water from the bath tub and it does the same job
Best things about a steamer is time is money, and chemical free
Exactly, chemical free. Why is he adding chemicals?
@@emm9432 I guess a demo. He has many vids with just the steamer, no chems though
Nobody talks about the fortador... why?
Maybe because it's so expensive? Not sure. I'm curious as well
If steam at the temperature of boiling water can hurt anything on the interior of a car, then the materials are definitely inferior. In electronics water, or rather water with impurities, can cause problems and with cheap little motors like the steppers in gauges. But the truth is that in manufacturing everything is exposed to temperatures of 250 deg or so in the solder reflow process then cleaning in dishwashers. If the car interior is hot with some air circulation the water will evaporate from everyting. Hot like heater on full for 30 minutes while idling without recirculation.
Dude you're killing me with "or whatever"...geez!
Nick from DIY
Yessir
Your steamer doesn't have enough power to do an exterior wash if you need other products to clean it.
+Random Acts of Video ya know, that’s true. But it can help with rims/wheels for sure in a garage. I’m into garden sprayers lately for “rinseless” garage washes
It works just fine..
Gloves brotha. Gloves.
+Auto Detailing Podcast I usually wear them...🤓
Only a pansy needs to wear gloves for their soft feminine hands.
Dwight Schrute your so tough
Hey fellow ADGer! #trenches my friend!
+Kody Hogan what’s up my man! Billy makes great stuff
@@HawkProDetailing absolutely. Wipeout and fbomb are my most used products. I do like valor for maintenance details as well!
+Kody Hogan yeah I am getting back into valor but I love fbomb and Wipeout
Is it meguiars? You said it's 1 thing but it's in a meguiars bottle lol
I believe it’s a combination of Wipeout and F bomb from American detailer garage
Clean the towel with steam, you do not need another towel
you don't have to spend on a 1700 no pressure washer a simple pressure washer less than two hundred bucks should be good with that
yessir