That was really cool, Wes! I know some people are interested in speed, but when it comes to that kind of work, slower is better for me! I just enjoy it so much! 👍👏
The quality you usually show was not there with this "double log" saw trial. Normally, your wood comes out great, even though many times "green," but still very good. Thank you for your dedication to this field of work, still very needed.
My thoughts while watching were that the time saved would be (at least partly) offset by the additional waste. I also noticed you leaning over the logs to position the far one which over time would be tough on your back. Great video as always. Thank you.
These wood cutting videos are the best,this gentleman has the best cutting tool for the best lumber ever,i can sit and watch his videos all day long,just amazing
Very interesting video Wes. I'd be inclined to say you're better off doing them one at a time. Easier to get the best out of each log. Stay safe & well. 👍👍
There’s always pros and cons. You have to adjust your mindset and do what’s best for you and the condition you’re in at the time. Thanks for sharing. God Bless.
Do you have multiple cameras, or do you actually stop & move one camera often?? I counted at least 52 camera moves in this video. You have got the patience of Job!!! Amazing - great job 👏 Thank you for your hard work - so enjoyable to watch!!
we have milled with a lt20 for 5 years/almost 5500 hours and have using this method for most of the time and havent had problems but hydrolics are a must have when doing it this way
Fair enough to do a time trial. Interesting, and interesting to watch, too! I suppose if you do them paired, it might get through your pile, a bit more quickly. By the end of it, you'll know, for sure, your preference. Thanks for sharing this with us!
With 4 logs you can put together a "log table" similar to this: media1.ostangsgard.se/2020/02/1060906-1024x768.jpg. Its easily done even on every new saw site. Instead of the steel U-bar (as in the picture), you use two more logs. I.e the first 4 logs you move with the tractor, you place like this. The rest of the logs you load on the "table", many at the time. Leave a few feet of gap between the log table and the saw. When you need a new log on the saw, you bridge that gap with some timber or small logs (~4 feet) and simply roll a new log over the gap. Its a lot faster and you don't have to start up the tractor in between every log. When all the other logs are done, you just use the tractor and load the "table" onto the saw.
It’s a shame that you burn all your bark slabs. Here in NE Ohio some small mills sell bales of slabs for $20-50 per bale. Might just cover your fuel cost. Thanks for sharing this video. Stay safe out there and enjoy the spring season. Cheers
Well young man I think mostly it is a personal preference depending on what your intent for the lumber is for. It maybe a bit faster but it also will probably cause more maintenance on your mill in the long run so to each his own. Thanks for sharing your videos and God Bless!
I must say I never encountered this back when I was a Sawyer because it wasn't possible to do on the old circle mill. But I have certainly stacked multiple cants for resawing but that is different. I can see a huge advantage to this when sawing live edge however for dimensional lumber as you said the extra waste and the added complications of getting logs turned and properly clamped. Then add the time of trying to sort logs to get similar size to put on the deck. When sawing personally I just don't need that added to what's already a complex operation to do right. It opens you up to make more mistakes and that can get costly real quick. Plus there is the risk if you don't get a log properly clamped and have it shift mid cut. Well that can destroy a blade and possibly worse.
Use your best judgement Son. It has been my experience that when I tried to increase production with the same equipment the results would always present more problems, and the increase didn't pay off in the long rum, especially wear and tear on the equipment. Good luck, and bless you and yours.
Good idea as long as any movement between the two logs can be prevented. But there can be more wastage as you try to get as much lumber. As you say a matter of personal preference, interesting test.
I do this on my Lt15 quite often. Especially handy cutting post. As far as cutting lumber ive found it easier to cut the logs into square cants first then go back and cut multiple cants at once. Have cut as many 4 cants at once. Really speeds up the process when cutting thin stuff like siding or fence pickets. Take care from your neighbor down in Americus ga
I was going to suggest exactly this!! Get the cants to about the same size & then the extra saw dust won't be as much of an issue. Having a log deck to the side would help of course.
The machine did not seem to mind cutting two at once. Once you get into the part of cutting actual boards, both have already been topped off for waste. One quicker than the other if different diameters, but you are still cutting two boards at once. I think it is a good idea. I liked the experiment.
I understand that doing multiple logs at a time might be less time consuming. But what does it do to the blade ? Does it dull it out quicker or no !!! I'm just wondering. And by the way I enjoy watching your program. You have me thinking about buying my own saw mill I want to thank you .
@@falllineridge ok I was just wondering because of the tinsel strength of the blade. That it might weaken it . I'm just guessing and wondering at the same time
I have the same sawmill and do that often. As long as they are secure no problem, just like cutting two cant at the same time. If you get movement in one or both logs your blade is subject to break.
When sawing smaller diameter logs. I usually three side the logs individually first, then put two or three of the cants back on the mill and saw them together. It does save some time.
If you run across a log or logs with stress in them you can break a blade sawing multiple logs or even squared cants. I'll load a bunch of boards to be edged to width, but you don't get as much movement doing that.
Maybe buy an extra tractor and hire a couple operators, add two helpers to move slabs and turn logs, and only cut trees of exact same dimensions. Yeah, that's the ticket! Now, we're productive! lol good video.
I think the only way cutting more than one piece at a time is feasible is not when they are in log form but once you get several cants cut the same thickness then yes you can place them side-by-side and smoke through some material
Good video. I think overall, you have to access the quality and straightness of the logs to make it a productive way to mill. If they line up well and are about the same diameter then I say go for it. The savings in time and fuel for the tractor would be interesting to calculate if you milled two at a time quite often.
You are going to have to re-saw the log closest to the tractor because most of those are net FULL 6 X 6's. That will take up way more time than you saved. DO NOT GET ME WRONG! I love your channel and have watched almost every video you have put out in the last two years or so. All I am saying is if you cut the log closet to the tractor by its self you would not have to re-saw it. HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY !!!!
I've wondered about sawing two at a time - so, thanks for doing the experiments for us. OK, so... why not make the cant's individually and then saw the lumber two at a time? Will that help reduce the sawdust mess and help with speeding up the process? Thanks again,
You would save a lot of time by taking a measurement of the log from the bunk to the bottom of the gullet of the lowest log, then cutting what you need from there. You end up with larger pieces of scrap but you would have eliminated multiple cuts. Just a thought... Love your content.
God I love timber cutting and finishing videos. I wish I had the money to get a Woodmeizer LT35 or even an LT15Wide just for small batches of lumber for specialty jobs and fun.
in a production situation... a 33% time saving is TREMENDOUS... Also, I think I would saw each individually to the cant stage... I would square 3 sides then put them together to finish sawing them... the first done could be slid to the off side until the second was done, they butt them together and do it! I think that would solve your extra sawdust problem as well as your cants would be tighter together
30 min for ONE log vs. 22 min for TWO logs... that's a per log time saving of virtually 60%... that's a log of money saved... if one were cutting, say, a 12" log 12" long, you would cut 8 1X8 @ 12' = 64 bf and it took 30 min you are cutting 128 bf/hour... cutting two of the same logs in 20 min would mean you are cutting 128 bf in 20 min or 384 bf/hr. That is a HUGE increase in production!!
You could cut cants individually, set them aside, then load the cants on the mill. That would take care of the sawdust spray issue, and possibly wastage. Of course, I'm just a sawmill voyeur, so I don't know.
I think you are losing more lumber when you try to cut two at a time. Each log is different. By turning a log you can decide what cuts are best for each log and get the most product from each one. If it's the speed you want then cut as many as possible each time. I thought the point was to get the most lumber from the logs. You do what's right for you. Love the videos. God bless.
Hmm... Just a thought. What about topping them, then rotating both inward(one clockwise the other counter) so they're flatside to flatside on the inward side. Wondering if that would add some stability to cutting 2 at a time.
Very informative clip. What does woodmizer say about cutting them that way? Puts more ware on the machine to specifically the blades. Great test though... and great idea!
I think there will be a much greater risk of breaking the blade if you saw multiple logs because of the additional load it puts on the blade. It can also load the blade unevenly causing flexing which will increase the risk of breaking it. 'You do you' as they say. Just beware of the possible outcomes and follow safety guidelines.
Hey there buddy how are ya. I guess it depends on how many logs ya have and if you are cutting and getting paid buy usable board feet, or by the hour, and how much waste is ok. Thank you for showing us this, have a great day and God bless you and yours.
Obviously you can saw multiple cants side-by-side, why not tree trunks! The only thing might be figuring how to clamp the trunks securely! Go Bulldogs!
Sure wish you were in Texas we have 7 acres of pine and hardwood we just bought. We found a Spanish oak surrounded by pine and cedar. We need someone to come clear around the oak.
Have you tried sawing multiple cants instead of two logs? I want to try squaring multiple logs and then put two or three on together to saw. Trying to roll two log four times each side by side would use more time than sliding a cant off and back on, in my opinion.
It seems like your decision to double up will depend on what you find in your log piles. If you find two (or three) small logs that have the small ends the same size, go for it ! Saw from the small ends, you'll probably have to do the same cut pattern on both anyway since the small end will constrain what you can do in the first place, even if you're cutting them individually. The potential differences will probably be rather small and not worth worrying about. Your sawdust issue may not amount to much either... One of the earlier commentors has suggested mounting a blower on the mill at the critical location to keep the dust moving. Or, you could temporarily ignore it and have a portable leaf blower on hand for whenever it gets to the point where you just can't stand it anymore and you'll always be instantly ready to start chasing all that man glitter off the mill and cut area... I'll be anxiously waiting to see what you're going to do in the future (I watch just about all of your videos, and many thanks for making them). Gary
Sawing two logs in parallel, doesn't this cause a problem with the lack of coolant getting through as the saw cuts the second log. Just a passing observation, given your comment on the additional sawdust flying around...
Interesting video, I do find it difficult to understand why show much of the waste wood, is burnt and not put to some use, not talking just about your site, and its not meant as a negative comment.
By filming the 2 log cut you just voided the factory warranty. Also note it's a blade thing , if one log KICKS or rolls. You'll damage the mill. I've operated 12 foot tall ban saws, for thick steel cut. When that blade popped, you ran fast. I'd go back to one log like the hand BOOK states.
Brilliant investigation on your part. What you just did was what Japanese car companies call a “Kiasan Project”. How can we improve the process to be more productive in the same amount of time. American companies do time studies with little to no regard to the “Big Picture”. The Japanese try to look at the full picture. I’m an American but have worked for a Japanese company near,y 30 years, I’ve done similar studies at part supplies. You hit the nail on the head when you pointed out that finding near similar logs was important or their was a big waste factor. One point you must consider is operator fatigue. The operator doing the job is a priority, if you all but kill yourself today can you do a great job tomorrow? My question, how hard was it for you to do two logs vs. one log. If after cutting two logs at a time you were too tired to do it again the next day it’s not worth it. Time and production are one thing. Day in and day out repeatability and waste must be added into the equation. From my short viewing of the video, I think one log at a time is best, the real judge is you.
In my opinion; if you are cutting for your own you are better off doing one log at a time, if you are doing and getting paid for the board foot production I think that doubling up would be profitable. I personally like the single log milling the best.
I suppose the extra debris removal time between logs could be achieved equally by just shoving them off on the ground next to the mill and reaching over to load the next ones until it's worth grappling them all up at once. Still, I guess if you are going to get the next log anyways, dumping that off then doesn't really add much. If you could bring over 2 or 3 logs at a time and just drop one at a time onto the mill (not simple), you could save the trip. Bahh, just keep doing what you do ;-)
Well you have certainly become more efficient on that saw. It almost looks like a robotic automation when you are running it. I have the exact same mill that you do, I’m not that efficient, I guess I need to step up my game a little. One question I have, it why such a small cant hook? I can’t believe it offers that much advantage than hand turning, even with the small logs as they are almost easier to turn that way. I’m hoping youll say......well I ran over the handle with the tractor, so I just sawed it off.....LOL.
The little one works great for small logs, it's just lighter and easier to handle. It doesn't give much leverage, but you don't need much on the small logs like these.
I think it was a win of 10 minutes,, maybe even more,, if you did 3 smaller ones at a time... I built with logs with just a flat on one side,, or a corner flat.. Great job,, aloha.. be safe..
It seems you're going to get the best lumber production going log by log unless both logs are very straight and virtually equal in diameter. But if time is of the essence in milling, a slightly larger amount of waste would be a worthwhile sacrifice.
I guess if I were just going to make timbers, this would be ok, but boards? If you are going for dimentional lumber, this does not seem to be a good idea.
That is certainly the shortest handle I've seen on a cant hook. Surprising that sawing 2 logs was that much faster. I would have thought the time savings would be slight given that you're only speeding up sawing portion which was fast to begin with. You're not really saving any log handling time, except the initial loading of the logs on the mill.
Hmmmm, A one third time savings? For every 6 hours work you get 8 hours output? That seems significant! On a related note: Why make everything into a cant first? I can visualize random width boards as flooring, siding or carcases. Obviously, the edges would need to be run through a shop saw.
Yes, it's a pretty decent time savings. Sawing it all into cants makes the lumber ready to use, at least for rough finish stuff like siding, etc. Running it through a shop saw doesn't work well unless you have a perfectly straight edge, which has to be done with the mill or an edger.
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That was really cool, Wes! I know some people are interested in speed, but when it comes to that kind of work, slower is better for me! I just enjoy it so much! 👍👏
The quality you usually show was not there with this "double log" saw trial. Normally, your wood comes out great, even though many times "green," but still very good. Thank you for your dedication to this field of work, still very needed.
My thoughts while watching were that the time saved would be (at least partly) offset by the additional waste. I also noticed you leaning over the logs to position the far one which over time would be tough on your back. Great video as always. Thank you.
These wood cutting videos are the best,this gentleman has the best cutting tool for the best lumber ever,i can sit and watch his videos all day long,just amazing
Very interesting video Wes. I'd be inclined to say you're better off doing them one at a time. Easier to get the best out of each log. Stay safe & well. 👍👍
There’s always pros and cons. You have to adjust your mindset and do what’s best for you and the condition you’re in at the time. Thanks for sharing. God Bless.
Do you have multiple cameras, or do you actually stop & move one camera often?? I counted at least 52 camera moves in this video. You have got the patience of Job!!! Amazing - great job 👏 Thank you for your hard work - so enjoyable to watch!!
I have 2 cameras plus the drone. I used just one camera for 90% of this video. I do move the camera/cameras a lot! Thank you for watching!
@@falllineridge Incredible patience ⭐
Love love love these!!
Interesting but I think I'll stick to one at a time. I'd be concerned that I couldn't clamp them as good and the blade snapping if one log moved.
we have milled with a lt20 for 5 years/almost 5500 hours and have using this method for most of the time and havent had problems but hydrolics are a must have when doing it this way
Fair enough to do a time trial. Interesting, and interesting to watch, too! I suppose if you do them paired, it might get through your pile, a bit more quickly. By the end of it, you'll know, for sure, your preference. Thanks for sharing this with us!
With 4 logs you can put together a "log table" similar to this: media1.ostangsgard.se/2020/02/1060906-1024x768.jpg. Its easily done even on every new saw site. Instead of the steel U-bar (as in the picture), you use two more logs. I.e the first 4 logs you move with the tractor, you place like this. The rest of the logs you load on the "table", many at the time. Leave a few feet of gap between the log table and the saw. When you need a new log on the saw, you bridge that gap with some timber or small logs (~4 feet) and simply roll a new log over the gap. Its a lot faster and you don't have to start up the tractor in between every log. When all the other logs are done, you just use the tractor and load the "table" onto the saw.
It’s a shame that you burn all your bark slabs. Here in NE Ohio some small mills sell bales of slabs for $20-50 per bale. Might just cover your fuel cost. Thanks for sharing this video. Stay safe out there and enjoy the spring season. Cheers
Well young man I think mostly it is a personal preference depending on what your intent for the lumber is for. It maybe a bit faster but it also will probably cause more maintenance on your mill in the long run so to each his own. Thanks for sharing your videos and God Bless!
I must say I never encountered this back when I was a Sawyer because it wasn't possible to do on the old circle mill. But I have certainly stacked multiple cants for resawing but that is different. I can see a huge advantage to this when sawing live edge however for dimensional lumber as you said the extra waste and the added complications of getting logs turned and properly clamped. Then add the time of trying to sort logs to get similar size to put on the deck. When sawing personally I just don't need that added to what's already a complex operation to do right. It opens you up to make more mistakes and that can get costly real quick. Plus there is the risk if you don't get a log properly clamped and have it shift mid cut. Well that can destroy a blade and possibly worse.
Use your best judgement Son. It has been my experience that when I tried to increase production with the same equipment the results would always present more problems, and the increase didn't pay off in the long rum, especially wear and tear on the equipment. Good luck, and bless you and yours.
Good idea as long as any movement between the two logs can be prevented. But there can be more wastage as you try to get as much lumber. As you say a matter of personal preference, interesting test.
What a waste of firewood just up in smoke. I know some people just don't want to deal with it. But it grieves some to see the waste.
You have some great footage of the blade cutting!! :}
I do this on my Lt15 quite often. Especially handy cutting post. As far as cutting lumber ive found it easier to cut the logs into square cants first then go back and cut multiple cants at once. Have cut as many 4 cants at once. Really speeds up the process when cutting thin stuff like siding or fence pickets. Take care from your neighbor down in Americus ga
Pretty good idea, thanks!
I was going to suggest exactly this!!
Get the cants to about the same size & then the extra saw dust won't be as much of an issue. Having a log deck to the side would help of course.
It would seem like cutting one log at a time into cants, then sawing multiple cants at once would be the best compromise. Good luck.
Interesting! Thanks for sharing
The machine did not seem to mind cutting two at once. Once you get into the part of cutting actual boards, both have already been topped off for waste. One quicker than the other if different diameters, but you are still cutting two boards at once. I think it is a good idea. I liked the experiment.
I understand that doing multiple logs at a time might be less time consuming. But what does it do to the blade ? Does it dull it out quicker or no !!! I'm just wondering. And by the way I enjoy watching your program. You have me thinking about buying my own saw mill I want to thank you .
I don't think it dulls it any worse than doing two separately.
@@falllineridge ok I was just wondering because of the tinsel strength of the blade. That it might weaken it . I'm just guessing and wondering at the same time
I have the same sawmill and do that often. As long as they are secure no problem, just like cutting two cant at the same time. If you get movement in one or both logs your blade is subject to break.
When sawing smaller diameter logs. I usually three side the logs individually first, then put two or three of the cants back on the mill and saw them together. It does save some time.
If you run across a log or logs with stress in them you can break a blade sawing multiple logs or even squared cants. I'll load a bunch of boards to be edged to width, but you don't get as much movement doing that.
Maybe buy an extra tractor and hire a couple operators, add two helpers to move slabs and turn logs, and only cut trees of exact same dimensions. Yeah, that's the ticket! Now, we're productive! lol good video.
Ha! Might have to hit the lottery first.
👍 From Cadillac Michigan I only do one at a time on my little Norwood..
I think the only way cutting more than one piece at a time is feasible is not when they are in log form but once you get several cants cut the same thickness then yes you can place them side-by-side and smoke through some material
You are awesome and your vids are really very good 👍
Thank you for watching!
saw the logs to equal size cants then put 2, possibly 3 cants together. that would minimize the saw dust flying everywhere with waste
Good video. I think overall, you have to access the quality and straightness of the logs to make it a productive way to mill. If they line up well and are about the same diameter then I say go for it. The savings in time and fuel for the tractor would be interesting to calculate if you milled two at a time quite often.
You are going to have to re-saw the log closest to the tractor because most of those are net FULL 6 X 6's. That will take up way more time than you saved. DO NOT GET ME WRONG! I love your channel and have watched almost every video you have put out in the last two years or so. All I am saying is if you cut the log closet to the tractor by its self you would not have to re-saw it. HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY !!!!
I like it. Great job
Genius, Super Genius! That is my idea of "Thinking outside the box"!
I've wondered about sawing two at a time - so, thanks for doing the experiments for us. OK, so... why not make the cant's individually and then saw the lumber two at a time? Will that help reduce the sawdust mess and help with speeding up the process? Thanks again,
You would save a lot of time by taking a measurement of the log from the bunk to the bottom of the gullet of the lowest log, then cutting what you need from there. You end up with larger pieces of scrap but you would have eliminated multiple cuts.
Just a thought...
Love your content.
That's a great idea, Chris. Thank you!
God I love timber cutting and finishing videos. I wish I had the money to get a Woodmeizer LT35 or even an LT15Wide just for small batches of lumber for specialty jobs and fun.
When they can be you should. Savings all around. Aloha!
You could add a removable shield, maybe from a half of a 30 gallon drum to deflect the extra sawdust could be a option for the double log cuts!
Now you got me thinking,,, maybe I'll try doing 2- 12" cants when I am cutting sometime. Ron
in a production situation... a 33% time saving is TREMENDOUS... Also, I think I would saw each individually to the cant stage... I would square 3 sides then put them together to finish sawing them... the first done could be slid to the off side until the second was done, they butt them together and do it! I think that would solve your extra sawdust problem as well as your cants would be tighter together
By doing that maybe he could get 3 logs on for final sawing
30 min for ONE log vs. 22 min for TWO logs... that's a per log time saving of virtually 60%... that's a log of money saved... if one were cutting, say, a 12" log 12" long, you would cut 8 1X8 @ 12' = 64 bf and it took 30 min you are cutting 128 bf/hour... cutting two of the same logs in 20 min would mean you are cutting 128 bf in 20 min or 384 bf/hr. That is a HUGE increase in production!!
+1 for don’t hurt yourself. Injuries can last forever
You could cut cants individually, set them aside, then load the cants on the mill. That would take care of the sawdust spray issue, and possibly wastage. Of course, I'm just a sawmill voyeur, so I don't know.
That would be more log handling time with loading and unloading cants.
Unloading the twin stacks off the mill could cost a lot of time. Thankyou.
Imppresive stuffs !
I think you are losing more lumber when you try to cut two at a time. Each log is different. By turning a log you can decide what cuts are best for each log and get the most product from each one. If it's the speed you want then cut as many as possible each time. I thought the point was to get the most lumber from the logs. You do what's right for you. Love the videos. God bless.
Thank you for the content. I’d suggest one at a time. Better results on the boards.
Just one question: side waste log pieces -can't they be used for burning inside your home for heat, instead of wasting it on a burnpile?
Finally right question
Safety first... One only. 🇨🇱
Hmm... Just a thought. What about topping them, then rotating both inward(one clockwise the other counter) so they're flatside to flatside on the inward side. Wondering if that would add some stability to cutting 2 at a time.
Erp/ Posted before I saw you do it. grin.
Very informative clip. What does woodmizer say about cutting them that way? Puts more ware on the machine to specifically the blades.
Great test though... and great idea!
I think there will be a much greater risk of breaking the blade if you saw multiple logs because of the additional load it puts on the blade. It can also load the blade unevenly causing flexing which will increase the risk of breaking it. 'You do you' as they say. Just beware of the possible outcomes and follow safety guidelines.
Hey there buddy how are ya. I guess it depends on how many logs ya have and if you are cutting and getting paid buy usable board feet, or by the hour, and how much waste is ok. Thank you for showing us this, have a great day and God bless you and yours.
Thanks for the video. I'm gonna try it on mine! Question...Do you seal the ends of your logs? Thanks.
Obviously you can saw multiple cants side-by-side, why not tree trunks! The only thing might be figuring how to clamp the trunks securely! Go Bulldogs!
Sure wish you were in Texas we have 7 acres of pine and hardwood we just bought. We found a Spanish oak surrounded by pine and cedar. We need someone to come clear around the oak.
I do that often on my woodmizer when the log are not to big and straight
Have you tried sawing multiple cants instead of two logs? I want to try squaring multiple logs and then put two or three on together to saw. Trying to roll two log four times each side by side would use more time than sliding a cant off and back on, in my opinion.
I love the videos, but the burn pile scares me. I live in California and burning in the area of trees in unthinkable.
I’m certain he’s trying to get as many usable planks as possible, but if still seems like there is a large amount of wasted wood
It seems like your decision to double up will depend on what you find in your log piles. If you find two (or three) small logs that have the small ends the same size, go for it ! Saw from the small ends, you'll probably have to do the same cut pattern on both anyway since the small end will constrain what you can do in the first place, even if you're cutting them individually. The potential differences will probably be rather small and not worth worrying about. Your sawdust issue may not amount to much either... One of the earlier commentors has suggested mounting a blower on the mill at the critical location to keep the dust moving. Or, you could temporarily ignore it and have a portable leaf blower on hand for whenever it gets to the point where you just can't stand it anymore and you'll always be instantly ready to start chasing all that man glitter off the mill and cut area... I'll be anxiously waiting to see what you're going to do in the future (I watch just about all of your videos, and many thanks for making them). Gary
Sawing two logs in parallel, doesn't this cause a problem with the lack of coolant getting through as the saw cuts the second log. Just a passing observation, given your comment on the additional sawdust flying around...
GREAT WORK, THANKS
Interesting video, I do find it difficult to understand why show much of the waste wood, is burnt and not put to some use, not talking just about your site, and its not meant as a negative comment.
If there was a market they wouldn't be burning it.
We have a bunch of small Doug fir logs we plan on sawing the same way
By filming the 2 log cut you just voided the factory warranty. Also note it's a blade thing , if one log KICKS or rolls. You'll damage the mill.
I've operated 12 foot tall ban saws, for thick steel cut. When that blade popped, you ran fast.
I'd go back to one log like the hand BOOK states.
as long as your carfull and have control do it. saves time
Brilliant investigation on your part. What you just did was what Japanese car companies call a “Kiasan Project”. How can we improve the process to be more productive in the same amount of time. American companies do time studies with little to no regard to the “Big Picture”. The Japanese try to look at the full picture. I’m an American but have worked for a Japanese company near,y 30 years, I’ve done similar studies at part supplies. You hit the nail on the head when you pointed out that finding near similar logs was important or their was a big waste factor. One point you must consider is operator fatigue. The operator doing the job is a priority, if you all but kill yourself today can you do a great job tomorrow? My question, how hard was it for you to do two logs vs. one log. If after cutting two logs at a time you were too tired to do it again the next day it’s not worth it. Time and production are one thing. Day in and day out repeatability and waste must be added into the equation. From my short viewing of the video, I think one log at a time is best, the real judge is you.
IMO if I had a lot of this small diameter stuff I'd build or invest in a multi rip or gang saw
In my opinion; if you are cutting for your own you are better off doing one log at a time, if you are doing and getting paid for the board foot production I think that doubling up would be profitable. I personally like the single log milling the best.
How much fuel did you save by not running an additional 10 min on the mill?
I suppose the extra debris removal time between logs could be achieved equally by just shoving them off on the ground next to the mill and reaching over to load the next ones until it's worth grappling them all up at once. Still, I guess if you are going to get the next log anyways, dumping that off then doesn't really add much. If you could bring over 2 or 3 logs at a time and just drop one at a time onto the mill (not simple), you could save the trip. Bahh, just keep doing what you do ;-)
i like your videos , I don't understand why you would bring a box blade to a sawing job..
Well you have certainly become more efficient on that saw. It almost looks like a robotic automation when you are running it. I have the exact same mill that you do, I’m not that efficient, I guess I need to step up my game a little.
One question I have, it why such a small cant hook? I can’t believe it offers that much advantage than hand turning, even with the small logs as they are almost easier to turn that way. I’m hoping youll say......well I ran over the handle with the tractor, so I just sawed it off.....LOL.
The little one works great for small logs, it's just lighter and easier to handle. It doesn't give much leverage, but you don't need much on the small logs like these.
I think it was a win of 10 minutes,, maybe even more,, if you did 3 smaller ones at a time... I built with logs with just a flat on one side,, or a corner flat.. Great job,, aloha.. be safe..
pretty typical strategy in the commercial metal working world. them tree huggers are a weird bunch. throughput offends them. apparently.
It seems you're going to get the best lumber production going log by log unless both logs are very straight and virtually equal in diameter. But if time is of the essence in milling, a slightly larger amount of waste would be a worthwhile sacrifice.
Without doing a much larger study to include excessive scrap, it is conceivable that the time savings is lost in lumber waste. Just sayin...
Better to make log ramp to the mill so you could more log on
OMG, I love the music.
why aren't you removing some weight as you cut? It's a great binder and not neccesarry . Maybe prop an shim.
I guess if I were just going to make timbers, this would be ok, but boards? If you are going for dimentional lumber, this does not seem to be a good idea.
Maybe, it's kind of a learning curve.
That is certainly the shortest handle I've seen on a cant hook. Surprising that sawing 2 logs was that much faster. I would have thought the time savings would be slight given that you're only speeding up sawing portion which was fast to begin with. You're not really saving any log handling time, except the initial loading of the logs on the mill.
Hmmmm, A one third time savings? For every 6 hours work you get 8 hours output? That seems significant! On a related note: Why make everything into a cant first? I can visualize random width boards as flooring, siding or carcases. Obviously, the edges would need to be run through a shop saw.
Yes, it's a pretty decent time savings. Sawing it all into cants makes the lumber ready to use, at least for rough finish stuff like siding, etc. Running it through a shop saw doesn't work well unless you have a perfectly straight edge, which has to be done with the mill or an edger.
@@falllineridge thepowertoolwebsite.com/how-to-square-up-a-board. I think Izzy Swan has a vid on how he does this also.
I have often wondered about that now i know. Thanks wes god bless
try mounting a leaf blower to push the chips away.
I know you're not so stupid to saw 2 logs at once. If you do that you know exactly what you're doing. Good job bro..
Bạn ở nước nào.gỗ thông này bao nhiêu usd/1m3.What country are you in. How much is this pine / 1m3
All that sand and dirt on those logs can't be good on that blade
More waste but saves time . I may try this out myself
That must be how WM come up with 360 bd ft an hour on our Manual lt15.
Good chance.
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Save 5 min per log X 20 logs = 1.5 hours saved...What can you do with an extra 1.5 hours?
2 logs same gas = higher yield per gallon of fuel and lube
1/3 savings of time...not too bad.
I love that song. Who is it by?
You can download Apps which will identify music/songs e.g. *Shazam - Musixmatch - SoundHound*
Gỗ thông bao nhiêu usd/m3.How much is pine wood / m3
Two rounds seems a tad risky. Two square(ish) cants, less so.