6 RULES GOLFERS ALWAYS FORGET!
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- Most golfers have a fairly decent grasp of the more important rules of golf but there are still some that many golfers forget… and it can cause unwanted confusion and delay within your group! So see what qualified rules expert Fergus Bisset outlines in this video alongside Golf Monthly editor Neil Tappin as the six rules many golfers forget.
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0:20 Teeing off early or late
2:35 Provisional ball
4:11 Ground under repair
5:32 Immovable obstruction
7:07 Red staked penalty areas
8:34 Taking a club length drop
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Love these golf rules videos. So informative, and great for new and experienced golfers to re-cap. Keep them coming guys 👍
Great video. One of my favorites was "clearly unreasonable" demonstration. Also marking the free relief club length, although not technically required, creates an integrity to the situation. Thanks.
I'm still just glad they changed how you have to drop the ball, but hey, golf is fun. Thanks for the pointers and reminders.
Love how you made up the first one. I see what you did there.
you live in a different world if you think your 9.30 tee time will be the actual time you get to tee of 🙂
Cloud cuckoo land. Why not adding 2 shots penalty to not finishing in time 🤪
Well they did reference "in competition " so there's that. But yes, in casual play that doesn't happen.
If you are in a proper competition with tee times, why would you not get to tee off at that time? I have been a starter at many competitions. I have yet to have an occasion when the tee was not available to the golfer at the listed time.
Get to the tee on time and if the group Infront are in range smash one at them, then tell them you didn't want to incur a penalty for teeing off late 😂
@@jpbackhouse and make sure you’ve got public liability insurance and a good lawyer!!
I never heard about the penalties for starting before or after your tee time. Most times we get up there and go around the time when prompted. I do not think disqualification should happen after 7 mins I think which was said. Maybe shoud add 2 strokes every 2 minutes delay. Thanks for posting. I learned new things.
good video overall.
Under Provisional ball. Tappin said: "If you find your original ball you CAN play it". The correct wording is "MUST" play it. Once the original is found (not OB), the provisional ceases to exist.
Example: First ball on par 3 might be OB. Provisional ball goes in the hole for a possible total score of 3. The player finds his first ball NOT OB. He cannot choose to take his provisional ball score.
If you or a fellow competitor find your original ball, you MUST play it because you are not permitted to have the choice of 2 balls - which would be unfair. However, if you soon realize that your first ball will be pretty much unplayable even before finding it, you cannot "declare it lost" - there is no such thing under rules. You can ask your fellow competitors to stop looking and play your provisional but if someone were to still find it within 3 minutes (perhaps an opponent!) before you get to your provisional, you have to play the first even if you declare this first one ball unplayable (and then proceed under Rule Rule 19). Note a provisional ball is for a ball that is lost or out of bounds, and cannot be an option for an unplayable ball again, because this is like having a choice of two balls.
@@simonleach3812 And there is no three minute limit for another player finding your ball.
Incorrect as soon as the provisional ball is holed and lifted from the hole, the hole is finished. 18.3c(2)/3
@@bantoniplakantry9138 please tell me which rule that is, because I can’t find it?
@@johnparker2957
Correct.
Or as we do on Saturday morning.. just pick it up and drop it within arm's length. Play on!
I love rule.
Relief from sprinkler. You should show that the relief area is a semi-circle with a radius of one club length, but excluding any of the the sprinkler head
"It's clearly unreasonable that you're going to hit a driver 100 yards".
He clearly hasn't seen me play
lol
"TAPPIN" - what a name for a golfer.
This was timely (first rule you cover), you must be psychic!
I don't forget these rules. I just ignore them.
My advice to golfers. Explain to your playing partners that you have a licence to ignore certain rules.
When they doubt you, hand them the card you printed out beforehand which states "I can do anything I like".
of course, you don't HAVE to drop at the maximum relief distance, if the nearest point of complete relief is nice.
The “reasonable” scenario never happens, especially on tour. It has to be way more “unreasonable” than what you described. And since it’s your competitor who is the one who challenges it, you can call in an official. If no official is around, you can play 2 balls, one your way and one the other player says, write down both scores, and figure it out later on after the round with a official or neutral third party’s decision.
We've a hole where they green is on the other side of a lake which is marked with yellow stakes. What happens if your ball pitches on the bank in front of the green which is not inside the yellow stakes, but rolls back into the water. Do you drop back on the other side or on the green side not nearer the hole?
The relevant reference point is still point of entry (point where ball last entered hazard). You must take your drop with that point between you and the flag, so if I understand your description of the hole, that would be on the other side of the lake.
My golfing days are long over, I was always taught when dropping a ball it has to be from shoulder height ?
Rules have changed. Drop from knee height now.
Rules changed to knee height. When I started you had to drop behind your shoulder
2019 it changed to knee height. Next rule change in 2029 you will have to juggle the ball 4 times with your foot and then let it drop.
what I've learnt is there are WAY TOO MANY RULES IN GOLF!
Love the game but boy it sure has some stupid outdated rules.
The guys I play with say, "I'm going to move off of this dirt.", "I'm getting out from behind this tree.", "I'm using winter rules in July to get a good lie." the best one, is 3 putts, and on the last one you say "That's good" so they count it as two putts.
Hi, you say “ground under repair “, doesn’t have to be marked in some way, poles or color in the ground? We can’t just say that this has to be “ground under repair “ br Tom
Also in my world often abnormal ground conditions are not marked, although it is clear that you are in tractor or green keeper/maintenance damage- can you clear up what the rules say about this- can you still claim GUR even if it is not marked as such? ( I guess your playing partners would have to agree?
This is the least able to "clear up" rule in golf. It is both vague and arbitrary and subject to interpretation.
It is most "clear" when you have a super diligent tournament committee that inspects every inch of the course before play and physically marks the GUR with paint. This is a massive job given the square area of a golf course. I've done it, and it is tough to not miss anything. Also, the damage can occur after the inspection and marking has occurred.
@@Randsurfer Look up the definition of GUR in the Rules of Golf. Whilst there are some things that are specifically mentioned, GUR generally has to be defined by the committee. So if there's a big bare patch in the fairway and it's not marked as GUR and the committee hasn't designated bare patches are GUR, it's not GUR. Players just can't decide that something is an abnormal course condition. It's either listed in the definition of GUR or the committee has designated is as GUR, otherwise it's not GUR.
@@bantoniplakantry9138 This thread is talking about tire tracks from a tractor, etc.
You can take free relief from an UNMARKED tractor track if the committeE has declared local rule that says so.
The problem is that even with the local rule, not every tire track gets relief. It becomes a judgement call which is why it is not easy to "clear up" the rule.
Therefore you are partly correct and partly incorrect with regards to damage to the course from maintenance vehicles.
@@Randsurfer I don't see where I'm not correct. As you say, tyre tracks aren't GUR by default but can be by a local rule. I never said they were GUR by default.
@@bantoniplakantry9138 Even if tracks are GUR by local rule, not every track would be considered for free relief. For example a "depression" caused by a tyre would not, but a deeper trench would. That is the problem I am talking about. This local rule is not objective in its application, it is subjective.
Little help: FREE relieve is one Club length, if you drop with a penalty its two Club length. I think that should apply in almost all cases.
I recall a fourth option with red hazards unless the rules have changed. Opposite side of hazard equidistant to where the ball last crossed or some such animal?
New Rule: Rule 17.1d removes the option to take relief on the opposite side of a red penalty area (the new term that includes what was previously called a lateral water hazard):
@@elliott3991 As Elliott said the rules have changed. However there is now a model local rule that clubs/committees can adopt to provide this option, but I'd say it's quite rare.
with more and more clubs up and down the country getting rid of the traditional "members model" of golf clubs (no committees/captains/secretaries, no course marshalls/starters, no rules enforcement, no minimum standards of golf ability) there are so many rules that will never be applied correctly - are the R&A taking any of that into account?
How would they take into account people ignoring thier rules? If people get used to that and then go a play a comp at a comp that is folling the rules they are then going to get disqualified/penalized. People tend to play a 4 ball in comps with thier friends. There are using a few groups of colective cheaters at each course which cant be policed.
The red stake rule. You've hooked one into the water, taken your two club lengths from the point of entry, but when you drop the ball, it rolls down the slope to within a foot of the water.. You have no stance unless you play it backwards. Is it in play, nonetheless?
if the ball is outside the hazard, within two club lengths no closer, it doesn't matter if your feet are under water, the drop was good.
On provisional balls, an incident happened yesterday in an Open I was playing. My playing partner hit off line to the right and decided to play a provisional, which he hit close to where the first ball had gone. It so happened that we found both balls but, by accident, he picked up his first ball and played his provisional ball. Should he have replaced the first ball or was the provisional ball now the 'ball in play'? If he had replaced the original ball, what penalty should have been applied?
Playing four of the second ball
@@StevieMc1971 Agree, that is why when hitting a provisional you should add a mark to the ball so you tell it is the provisional
@@bigdaddio1959 Always carry at least 2 balls that have a different number on them. Yea its cool to order your custom numbered balls, but if all of them are identical you either need to remember to change the mark or hope that they land so far apart there's no confusion. I keep a sleeve of #7s that are used for putting practice and provisional shots.
This also brings up why you should have a UNIQUE mark. I can't count the number of times someone has said "I play ProV1 with a black (or blue) dot", which happens to also be what another player is using. Get some unique color sharpies, use multiple dots or something else. I put 2 dots on opposite sides of the number. Purple on left, green on right. Never seen any other ball with that mark on it, it probably exists but highly unlikely.
@@StevieMc1971 wrong there. Playing a wrong ball is 2 stroke penalty and the error must be corrected….. ie go back and play the correct ball. Rule 6.3
If the first ball is found (not lost or OB), the provisional ball ceases to exist as an option.
To answer your question: The provisional ball was not now "in play", even if he chose to play it.
He should correct his error by returning to the location of his first ball and playing it from there.
The strokes taken at the provisional ball do not count.
He will take a 2-stroke penalty for playing a "wrong ball" (choosing to play with his provisional ball)
Note: There is only a single 2-stroke penalty. If, he takes 2 or more strokes with the wrong ball, the penalty does not compound. It is a single penalty of 2 strokes because it is a repetition of the same mistake.
If he plays the entire hole with the wrong ball and does not correct his error before starting the next hole, he is disqualified from the competition.
Honestly as an amateur the only rules we need is don’t touch the ball after you hit it off the tee. And if you go out of bounds take a drop and take a penalty stroke
tee offs in competitions are often late due to slow play ahead. I've never seen anyone penalised.
Can you go thru the scenario where you have red or yellow but ball flies directly into the water without hitting land and what the options are?
The key issue is establishing where your ball crossed the penalty area line. Once that is decided you proceed as per rules for red and yellow penalty areas. If you find your ball in a penalty area it is important to proceed from where the ball entered the penalty area which may not be directly adjacent to where the ball lies, if for instance, it had clearly rolled several yards into the penalty area. The reference point is always where it crossed the penalty area line.
@@willsumnall3499 so do you only replay from tees if ball goes OB? And again, if it hit in bounds, then goes OB, can you play from point it entered OB?
@@garcon8552 If you hit a ball out of bounds your only option is to play from where you took the shot (stroke and distance) under penalty of one shot. So, if you hit a tee shot OOB then you must retake the tee shot and it will be your third shot. If you are not sure it the ball went OOB you can play a provisional ball (also your third shot) which becomes your ball in play if you cannot find your original or find it OOB. If the only place your ball may be lost is in a penalty area you are not allowed to play a provisional ball, so if you hit a shot into a penalty area you can play the ball as it lies in the penalty area if possible or, under penalty of one stroke, play the shot from the same spot or play a ball from a spot no closer to the hole on a line from the pin to the point your ball crossed the penalty line, or in the case of a red penalty area you have an extra optiona to drop laterally within in 2 club lengths of the point your ball crossed the penalty line but no closer to the hole. In essence, if it is a yellow penalty area and you cannot play the ball as it lies, the penalty area must be between you and the flag when you take your next shot, with a red penalty area it may be possible to avoid this with a lateral drop as in the video. It's all in the Rules of Golf, rule 17
@@willsumnall3499 Isnt there a new rule with OB where you can take a drop in the fairway at the point of OB entry but counting another shot as the distance? So you hit drive OB and can either go 1 drive 2 OB 3 redrive or 1 drive 2 OB 3 drop hitting 4 from fairway.
@@mike-mz6yz Not a new rule, but a model local rule that can be adopted roughly as you describe for a two-stroke penalty.
Is it ok to ground your club if you play from gur?
Yes
Why? It’s free relief
@@stevieobrien Relief area might be undesirable.
Regarding Provisional ball. I have had people go deep into unpleasant areas and find my ball which I have then got to play. There is no such thing as declaring the ball lost.
The music in the background while they were talking about tees times sounded like a car alarm going off.
From now on, I'll let the group in front of me know I'll be adding two strokes to their round for making me tee off late.
I once hit my tee shot in match play into a terrible lie--swampy squishy high-cut rough. I said the words, "That's unplayable" and hit again. Fairway. My opponents found my first ball and said I couldn't hit my "provisional" and had to hit my first ball. I sheepishly agreed and bombed the hole. Then I learned the rules. Never again.
There is a 4th option for lateral water hazard. Drop on opposite side of the hazard no closer to the hole.
New Rule: Rule 17.1d removes the option to take relief on the opposite side of a red penalty area (the new term that includes what was previously called a lateral water hazard):
Does, Im hitting a Gerry Adams " count as a provisional ...
Never seen the T off rule used anywhere except major tournaments we T off when we’re ready
Around 6 minute, a hybrid would not be unreasonable.
Scottie Sheffler just tryna avoid violating rule 5.3a
What I gathered from this is if you want to try and enjoy golf, leave the rule book at home and play like Judge Smells.
Okay, so when is it one club-length relief or two club-lengths relief? A free drop is one club-length. A penalty drop is two club-lengths - you are allowed two clublengths but had to pay a penalty to get the additional club-length.
I never knew Clarkson played golf? 😂
Every golfer? And a couple of those knee-high drops looked iffy to me - it is supposed to be released from the hand at the height of your knee when your leg is straight, which is approx 22 inches from the ground for a 6 foot man. The drop at 8.20 looked less than a foot from the ground to me and the drop at 10.06 also looked well below your bent knee. Not very good guidance and one stroke penalties for me in each case if not corrected and you proceeded to hit the ball.
Hmm, must take a measuring tape with me, in case I ever play with pedantic pratts...🙄
@@G.5.B.H.M Ha ha. I don't make the rules, nor make videos about them and proceed in a way that is dubious at best so that prats (I make no apologies for my pedantry) simply follow like sheep and end up falling foul of the rules. And if you are watching rules videos then surely you are interested in them being upheld. So have a drink old son and don't be so rude in future. Jog on.
@@harrymelad942 I most certainly will...👍
Ah Ha So that’s what it’s called a provisional ball all this time I thought it was called a Breakfast ball. Oh ya also I’m the committee who guarantees relief, it’s more about proceeding forward as quickly as possible, no body’s going back to drop again and again! Dropping a ball is that exactly, dropping a ball with no measuring tape required! This is all covered in the “Weekend Golfer’s” hand book!😜
thank you for forcing through the e5 local rule (that we already implemented), no more walking back to the tee ...
Clearly unreasonable is completely subjective.
rule 7: never forget that while golf may not be as exciting as, say, chess, or bowls, it certainly gives fishing a run for its money
some of these rules are what keep people from wanting to play and others are just so silly they tempt people to cheat. this game is supposed to be enjoyable not punutive
But there are plenty of dull pedants out there who love jumping all over arcane rules to punish players
I don't think yellow hazard markers exist now.
Is Jez ok ?
Guys, you missed an opportunity to also explain the penalty to one breaking any of these rules. Such as the second rule based around a provisional ball…if you don’t say anything and you’re called out for the mistake…is that a two stroke penaltyy, or one?
"If you don't say anything"
Do you mean if you don't announce the 2nd ball is a "provisional ball"?
There is no 'calling out', there is no 'mistake'
If the player does not announce the 2nd ball is a Provisional ball, The player must play the 2nd ball. It is not a provisional ball.
The first ball must be abandoned.
The player takes a 1-stroke penalty under the "stroke and distance" concept.
Meaning: Player hits a ball from tee (that's stroke #1)
Player hits another ball from tee (that's stroke #2 + 1 penalty = 3)
Imagine some prick calling you out for not saying I’m playing a provisional
You mentioned "back on the line" relief by waving your arms, but you could do better at describing how that line is determined
Hint" A line is defined by 2 points.
the line is now called the "flagline". You draw the line from the flagstick back though the spot your ball last crossed the boundary of the penalty area and it continues on. So use the rules to your advantage, so many people run up and drop right near the edge of the penalty area where they are on a slope or long grass, yet that line sometimes keeps running back up into the fairway where you could be picking the distance you prefer to hit from and looking at the grass, you would be dropping onto hit off of .
@@elliott3991 I come across way too many people who say "back on the line" and they mean a line that the ball traveled on the previous shot.
I solved the 'forget' part by 'never learning in the first place'.
100 million times the problem is the gholf course
Always being in the way
Pay point the most common there is no fosels in sight
Ridiculous that there is penalty for teeing off early or late in a normal Saturday comp. Most of competitors will get a penalty as nobody bothers with strictly teeing of at the exact minute.
They don't forget them, they just don't care.
I don't think it's unreasonable to hit an approach driver 100yds. Terrible choice but not unreasonable.
Rule 1play your own game not anyone elses
What does this mean?
If referring to rules, does this mean allowing others to not play by the rules?
Or allowing them to record any (wrong) score on the scorecard?
@@Randsurfer Some people like to compete against others they're playing with :) ... My brother for one - very competitive ... Always trying to compete against me, out driving me, trying to beat me every hole etc .... Try to compete only against yourself not against others ;) one thing I love about golf :) - great to have compitition but In golf you're only really trying to out do yourself :)
@@alwayswinning3743 The rules of golf exist to govern competitions between more than one person.
You do recognize that millions do participate in competitions of greater than one person, yes?
If you are only competing with yourself, feel free to make up any set of rules you like, nobody will be affected.
@@alwayswinning3743 so this has nothing to do with the video it just you moaning about your arsehole brother?
You cant stop poeple from doing the wrong things with out knowing a university degree on stupid rules
Penalty strokes for teeing off a minute late?! LMAO What world does this guy live in?
The Tee time rule is obviously for tournament play, which has no impact on 99.99% of golfers.
I beg to differ. Most golfers don't pay attention to the tee times. Most play as soon as they think it's safe to go, then moan about the group in front being slow as soon as they have to start waiting.
@@JamiesgolfanddroneadventuresDo the courses you play at not have any staff?
@@RealDonaldDrumpf meaning?
the guys i play with would argue because there stupid about rules and they would ban me from playing with them,because i have limited friends,i’ll keep my mouth shut!
You would not play half the time as courses would be unplayable or disqualified, hence why full rules are just ridiculous
yea, they don't talk about what have done so much of life in your non league/tournament organized rounds. Roll it in the fairway.. you deserve a decent lie for hitting it. And the pro golfers that argue that that is not golf, think a guy getting in maybe 2 rounds a month, finally hits a good drive on the long par 5 but can't go for it over the water due to all the horrible fairway lies.... yea, most folks are not coming back to have their game changed significantly by poor fairways. So many things for mega decades that just had to be, no longer are. Spike marks on green lol.
these rules and penalties for not teeing off at tee time is stupid
Not in an competition
Click-bait! HATE IT! I promise you, no golfer forget these rules.
Normal rules everybody knows WTF (Sorry mate, dont like when people steal my time.)
it's not clickbait, if it said "6 rules 99% of golfer forget" would you be happy, do you need a prize for being in the 1% that know if you tee off one minute after your tee time the first golfer gets a 2 shot penalty. I've never heard that in my life or heard any other golfer mention it.
@@krusher74 Thats my point. It was usless inforamtion. Either you know it by heart or the rules never take effect in real life. (The one youre talking about might be used once in a blue moon while people break the rule every single day.) We have to understand that 99,9 % who break that rule think they starting at the right time. (We dont need to know about an obscure rule that noone use.)
Anyway. Agree to disagree I guess, right?!
Golf has too many rules...
When you start off with a conversation about early/late in a world where that is unrealistic snd absurd, you lose your audience. Bye.
EVERY golfer ALWAYS forgets these 6 rules. Lame start to a video.
A useless video...
First rule is why golf is corrupted. It's all about the commercials and not about the players. This is why LIV is so much better.
LIV Golf is a Circus and they’re only there because they’re greedy Bastards!The golf is actually shambles and they’ll all be back very soon
Particularly as they’ll never get World Rankings.
Starting play at your correct tee time as a rule had corupted golf?