Chopin 'Fantasie-Impromptu' - History & Tutorial - Paul Barton, piano
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- A few personal thoughts on possible motives Chopin might have had for refusing publication of this well known piece during his lifetime, with practice and performance tips.
Made for and at the suggestion of a viewer: / o0december0o
A number of free scores of Fantasie-Impromptu Op.66 in the public domain, including the Mikuli & Godowsky editions: imslp.org/wiki/...)
Paul Barton's tutorials are the best i've seen.
William Udy Truly...
This is truly higher education.
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Very enjoyable, I completely agree. I recently found a similarly clear, upbeat and informative channel called Sonata Secrets, by Swedish pianist Henrik Kilhamn. You may like it too!
I used to be able to play this in my sleep, but then I moved and couldn't take a piano or keyboard and lost about 75% of my skills. Learning it again is so frustrating especially since my fingers are so rusty and I know I can do it
Keep going :D!
You absolutely have the potential to do it. Music is fortunately/unfortunately ephemeral. Any time we musicians NAIL a performance, that's great, but it will fall off very quickly, in 2-3 days we will have plateau'd and in a couple weeks' time of not looking at it, we will regress back from that peak. In 2-3 months, our muscle memory loses all the toughest stuff, and it's back to drilling it once more to get the tough stuff back in shape.
Same here.. learning again after 20 years
@@gonzalochirinos8505 Same here. I am learning again after 40 years. Practice slowly with hands separately until you can player faster and accurately. Your muscle memory will take over and you will be able to play faster.
Did you learn it?
Mr. Barton you are the best teacher in the world.
You have helped me a lot.
I'm to play this in public in November.
Thanks so much.
GOODLUCK
I need to practice
How did it go??
@@heheboi8365 very well, thank you!!!
Thanks Paul. You are brilliant! Still getting my morning inspiration from your amazing videos! This is one of the biggest benefits of having broke my thumb 3 weeks ago. I travel to England, France, Poland & Thailand all with the click of a "CZcams" button, with instructions from one of the world's most gifted instructors. Awesome!
Sir Barton, your methods and ways of presentation of music is incredible. You have a deep and profound sense of humanity. I see it in your work with elephants. I see it in your sculpture work, especially your Nina Simone. I only wish I could have had a teacher like you when I was young man. Although I know I will never be able to play this work, your teaching and demonstration gives me some joy in hearing such a master artist. I call you an artist because you are many times more than a musician. You are a humanitarian! Thank you Sir, for all that you do.
Chopin: Don't publish
Fontana: lol
Charles Mcbain stolen
Chopin didn't want to get copyrighted xD thats why he didn't publish it lol
jk
Well actually though xD Out of respect too ofc
Can we copystrike chopin, like right now?
Ecks deee
i think Chopin thought that his Fantaisie Impromptu was too similar of Moschelles's Impromptu, and thought it (loosely) would be considered plagiarism, so that's why it was never "publicly" published.
Your tips have given me hope of playing this someday...
it's not as hard as it looks, give it a go
I’ve been trying to play this a while I’m so bad lol
@@kingjamesbiblebeliever8387 I suck! Lol... I surely have a problem with polyrhythmia.
Daniel Moreira yeah. I can play some of Chopin’s other pieces but this one is a whole different animal. I’ve been trying to tame it for quite some time. Nothing is working lol.
@@kingjamesbiblebeliever8387 If you compare it with the Ballades, the Scherzos, the Sonatas, it's actually easier... But polyrhythmia is what makes it impossible for me. It's not even the tempo... Some of his Nocturnes and Études are also loaded with polyrhythmia. Just too difficult. Chopin is a true genius, a master of melody, harmony and rhythm!
Wow, tremendously well made video! Honestly one of the best I've seen on youtube... Thanks for taking the time to make it. You're a true gift to classical piano aficionados and amateurs around the globe. Keep up the good and motivational work!
Thank you for a very informative and helpful video. For years I've heard the story of Chopin's fear that this was too close to Moscheles' work but this is the first time I've actually heard the Moscheles piece. Nothing like actually hearing as opposed to reading about the similarities. Still, most will probably agree that Chopin added more than enough to claim it as an original work in its own right, his fears notwithstanding.
Thank you Paul. An intricate analysis and thought provoking dissection of Chopin's motives. I learnt this piece 11 years ago. It's my favourite and now I can appreciate it on a whole new level.
Thank you for playing Moscheles piece, and for all that comparison thing. I like very much yours tutorials!
please be my teacher
I have another technique that is actually showcased in Chopin's Etude Op. 25 No. 1 starting at measure 17. The 3rd note in the 4-note 16th note groups is accented for more than just adding another counter melody. It's also accented to help the learner to better understand which notes line up with each other in poly-rhythms and get the learner used to playing them, and it works immensely well, at least for me. As such, I started working on the Fantaisie-Impromptu with the same technique, and then tried to keep the notes in each hand even with respect to the notes next to it. It helps to learn each passage hands separately until it's practically muscle memory before applying this technique.
In simpler steps:
1. Learn each hand separately until it's practically muscle memory, especially with the right fingering.
2. Circle on your sheet music which notes line up on the beat. Use pencil for this.
3. Mark accents on each note in the left hand that lands on the even beats, just like it is in Chopin's Op. 25 No. 1. Again, use pencil.
4. Practice hands together, a couple measures at a time, close to the original tempo, while adding the accents you wrote in. It's actually harder to do this technique if you take it slow.
Don't add any accents that are already written in the piece while you do this, or measures 17-21 will REALLY screw you up, as the accents are in odd places.
5. Once your hands are used to the feeling of where the notes fall in the piece and you can play it evenly, remove the accents you added and add the accents already written in.
One final tip: listen to a few performances of the piece, and get a general feel for the musicality. Once you've got that, it'll make learning this piece, or rather ANY piece, much easier.
HOPE THIS HELPS!
I love how you broke this down and explained in great detail with awsome tips! Thanks!
This is a great history and tutorial video. I learned a lot from this. Please keep making more videos.
Thank you so much Mr. Barton, the visualization you made for the first couple of measures is really helpful! I'm so glad that you made this tutorial.
This is a wonderful tutorial. I'm pretty new to classical piano so this video is very helpful. Thank you!
Without your video, i wouldnt even be close to being able to play fantasie. Thanks!
Youre great!
i love how you teach the song and the story behind it and not only how to play the song.
Please, more tutorials!!! This Is a very complete tutorial!! Thanks.
You sir are a genius and i thank you for this amazing tutorial! it surely helped me and you should keep on doing more ! The whole history analysis and the guidance on the piece was awesome ! Keep on the the work!
Not only are your videos helpfull, they are also both interesting and enjoyable. Really fantastic work and good on you for making these wonderful peices feel slightly more understandable.
are you kidding me? youtube has been hiding this gem from me for years
Same aynen
Thank you, Paul, for all of your content that I've enjoyed and benefited over the years.
Hi Paul, I just found your channel today and I want to say that this video is absolutely amazing. I've wanted to learn this piece for over 4 years ago. I really enjoyed your theory and history on such an incredible masterpiece. Thank you!
I can´t believe why people do not to see how greatfull (particularly enjoyable) are this tutorial, it details exactly the perfromance, debelopment in the most great and fast way to learn fantasie impromptu, even if im a novice in this world, your tutorials make my introduce chopin and learned etude 25no01, and i cant believe the fast progress in this piece (one of the best), so very thank you Paul Barton, i will wait for new tutorials. Have a nice day
This was very helpful! I've learned more about music here than I did when I played for IMIF. Keep making videos like this, Paul Barton!
Chopin cared about other people's work what a nice guy :)
Как легко у Вас бегают пальцы! Вы настоящий учитель!
How easily have You running your fingers! You're a real teacher!
Wonderful! THanks so much!
I wonder if you would like to make a video abut the manuscript version. There are a few striking differences.
Most striking is the dynamics, which give the whole A section a much more nocturnal atmosphere, so to say. It is on CZcams, played by Claudio Arrau and also by Amit Yahav, probably also others. .
Also, there are text differences, notably in the left hand part in section A.
First, the thumb of left hand plays a more developed melody than in the standard version. The implication is far reaching: The melody is played by the left-hand thumb, and right hand is like an ornamental (fioritua?) octave-coubled in the right hand.
Second, in bars 14-25 the pattern of left hand is changed, and a beautiful variety of thumb motives, seemingly in improvisation mood.
I personally find the manuscript version more interesting and ripe than the standard editions.
It was published in 1997 in the beautiful Koenemann edition, Koeln, of the preludes and impromptus volume.
I think it is now out of print. But can probably be found somewhere on the web.
Co-editor: Tamas Zaszkaliczky, Engraving: Kottamester Bt., Budapest, Katalin Alexay, Lajos Adam, Rva Liptak, Judit Veloesy. Very beautiful engraving.
Also the facsimile of op 66 is available for about 75 $ from a few sellers on the web. IMSLP has some interesting editions, notably the one by Godowsky. .
To those of you frustrated from this video, this video is intended for an audience that already has experience playing and practicing classical music. Paul here gives tips and advice for people who already have the ability to learn the notes slowly and bring them up to speed using their own practice methods. Paul's advice applies for the more technically complex parts such as accenting the melody, as well as the emotion and musicality of the performer.
Thank you Paul! I finally have the intro to this piece. After a few brutal weeks of almost giving up I came across this video you posted The way you broke this down at the 7:20 mark is when it all came together. Thanks so much
This is the best advice I have found so far on *the whole of the internet* on how to learn and practice this piece. Thank you so much!
Learning the history behind pieces is so interesting
Can't thank you enough times for this and all you've done here on CZcams.
i learned this song in two weeks and ive been playing the piano for 2 years... hard work and true dedication
Piece* :)
Do you still play?
i learned in 2 weeks too but with poor technic im playing only 2 mounts
I don't know what I would do without you, Paul.
Mr. Barton thank you a lot. great job and humbles as always.
You sir are a great teacher
Please, just please don't try to make the triplets and sixteens 'eventually' fit inbetween the bars. Learn the 4:3 Polyrythm exactly and precised, as your speed goes up automatically.
+Dannton use the TRLRLR and you will be fine
That's exactly what a 4:3 Polyrythm is.
so 3:4 would be TLRLRL or?
+Eyhab Youssef its not you just simply that ...
Frédéric Chopin wtf!
Thanks a lot for the explanation on why chopin didn't publish it and for the history behind this piece. He really did transform the simpler work by Moscheles.
Best CZcams lesson ever!
And you play like you're on the fastfoward mode. You don't stir much but your fingers move like they have their own mind.
This song is like one of my life time goals. I'd be so happy if I can just play it fluently half speed *_*
Hi Paul. Thank you so much for this video. Wonderful piano playing and a very enjoyable and informative music-history lesson; love this stuff. I've only started learning this piece as of two days ago so it's a looong road ahead.
Still watching and learning from this video in 2021 :)
Part 2 (he starts playing at 8:30) is my favorite part of the piece, it takes me to a new world and hearing it slowed down, I could play that on loop, sigh.
The difference I can see between the works of Chopin and Moscheles is that Chopin's work had polyrhythms (3 against 4) in the opening bars while Moscheles' work had simpler rhythms in the opening bars.
YOU ARE A MUSIC SOUL'S SONG PAUL BARTON
Very nice discussion and performance - much appreciated.
Paul,I'm really grateful for you!I started learning piano by myself,and I've always wanted to play this!I finally learned how to play it,and with your tips,my interpretation has gotten much more beautiful!Thank you really much!Strong hug from brazilian fan!:D
I really liked this video. Often videos of people playing (or doing anything) brilliantly and effortlessly can be anti-motivational because I just end up thinking that they're so much better than I am, and that practicing is a waste of time because I can never get anywhere close to that point. But by showing the learning process you make it seem achievable.
Paul, this tutorial is very helpful and informative! Thanks!
Wow , brilliant ! superb playing and very helpful insights : I am on a mission to watch every single youtube video on this piece which I started to play 2 weeks ago . I reckon it will take a few months to get it up to speed . It is interesting how all the different teachers have their own way of explaining and I am learning from all of them but I particularly like your methods . Thank you so much !
I just love Chopin's music soo much!
Although I am years away from this, if at all, this was a beautiful lesson thank you so much for making it
I`m glad I found this I`m started by learning both hands seperately for a week. When I out both hands together I managed to get the timing right Its a bit tricky but I`m getting it now after watching your lesson Many thanks Paul
Thank you very much for such a wonderful and helpful tutorial
Magnificent video! Fine analysis and fine playing. Thank you!
Your videos are incredibly well crafted.
Thank you for this video, it is excellent! I have been playing this piece for years, but I never knew the history behind it. I have not been able to get it up to it's proper speed without it falling apart. You have inspired me to work on that. Great job!
Excellent work sir, thank you very much for sharing this with us!
Thank you for this wonderful history lesson. You make one of my favourite subjects exceptionally interesting!! Very professional.
i LOVE this video! thank you for existing
I was under the impression that Chopin didn't care very much for his contemporaries, rather that he idolised Bach and Mozart. Great video!
Amazing tutorial Paul, appreciated also the historical part.
Thank you! This was amazing! I appreciate all your tutorials!
Paul you're amazing. I like so much both your techinique (you're impossibly fast!) and interpretation. Thank you for the tips in this video. May I ask you some advices to reach the right speed?
Your lessons are really enjoyable, especially the chopin etudes.
well, I'm progressing on it. Hadn't played much at all of it but a week or two ago I picked it up again and started learning. I now know all the right hand notes, am improving on the speed, and know all of the slow left hand notes and am working on the faster ones bit by bit. This video helps too, thanks a lot! Let me know what you think of that gyro exerciser thing I sent you!
hi paul,
this is my good morning movie :-) i really didnt know the facts about this piece, always wondered why chopin didnt publish it. so thank you! those historical facts are often forgotten when interpreting a piece. besides you once again proved your fascination for piano playing. its nice to see how much fun you have.
This is amazing. Learning it right now, I'm intrigued but nervous!
Excellent tutorial, thank you so much Dear Paul Barton
No puedo creer que haya este tipo de tutoriales hace 10 años. Muy bueno.....!!!!
7:00 I love you man :') ...this has been bugging me forever!!
Thank you for posting this excellent video, it was really a pleasure to watch. A great combination of history and context, practice ideas, and a little theory thrown in too. It was very interesting to hear the corresponding pieces that influenced Chopin. And above all, great communication and passion for your subject. You would put most university professors to shame!
You're a fantastic teacher. I'm learning this piece right now and your video really made it easier for me. Thank you, Paul :)
As always, Excellent presentation!
Hey Paul , thanks sooo much for this video , it is of much detail. This helped me much from getting to know the history and the background to certain techniques learning the piece. Awesome video!!!! thanks for that!
I must say, despite you most likely having heard this before, your video gave me the encouragement and aid that I needed to tackle this piece. Not only that, I loved your video as you are superbly insightful and cheery! The history behind the piece/author is fantastic, and I couldn't help but smile when you mentioned how you could picture Chopin trying ideas for the slow section -- I think about that so often with pieces! In short, thank you, you have a new subscriber (:
So thankful for you and the way you teach... Thank you!
Fantastic. Absolutely fantastic.
I dislike how most people play this piece. But you, in my opinion, are by far the one who can play this piece like i want it to sound like ^^ thank you
Paul thank you so much! This is like a sign of god! I started learning this piece a few days ago and I was having trouble with the first section, getting the notes right, but thanks to your tutorial I am able to play it now! Thanks a lot!
Great tutorial!
Federico
the back ground information was very interesting, your obviously very passionate - one day maybe il reach a level practically and theoretically to be able to play this masterpiece.
Thank you so much!!!! You really helped me with my practice for this piece. The accenting practice has made a HUGE difference.
You're making it look so easy.... O.O
Awesome to watch and super informative. Thanks!
Thanks so much Mr.Barton.You are a wonderful teacher.Wish I could get a few
lessons from ya
Thank you very much you are great great talentuous musician
Wonderful tutorial! Thank you so much!
Thank you for all your videos, very nice
I like the Impromtu you played. I would like to study it. You played in a so beautiful manner that i am intented to play it . I would like very much to attend a recital of yours here in Brasilia.
Wow thanks those polyrhythms were giving me a hard time!! :)
I love this video, all that you say of history and of chopin, thanks!!
Thank you very much for this video! Very instructive and interesting.
Those Touturials are Awesome with the history behind it, Those Touturials are gold Like Chopin
Wow, these are really great. Took me a while to find this, but great work. Great presentation. Great information
I like this a lot. Hope all your videos are as good.
Thanks very much for 3:08. My ever existing wondering about unexplicable recognition has been solved.
uncanny how Moscheles' Imprompt
u in E flat is so similiar, although Chopin seems to have bettered it. The cadenza could easily have just popped in his head :) Really enjoyable video.