Why Shoot a Suppressed Hunting Rifle?
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- čas přidán 16. 07. 2023
- Randy Newberg explains why he shoots a suppressed hunting rifle!
This suppressor is from Nosler. Link here - www.nosler.com/sr-30k-suppressor
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Dear Randy , you forgot two huge advantages of using suppressors : with one, at reasonable range you can hear the impact in the game ; as the muzzle blast is suppressed the game hasn't a clue of the direction of fire ...if the first shot is a miss there is a fair chance they will come in your direction. From a fan in France . Best Arnaud
Once you shoot suppressed, you can’t go back to unsuppressed. I don’t even like to be around guys shooting without a can!
Better have some money then
I hate going to the range with those uncivilized folk anymore.
@@colepriceguitar1153you can find sales on YHM suppressors and spend less than $600 with the tax stamp included. Not that much money.
I'm in the same camp as you, @Rico_mtn
@@Huckleberry_Hunter it’s like buying another rifle
Agree 100%! I’m 54 and finally did it also. Bought one for my 280AI and one for my 12 gauge. Just waiting on the approvals. Young guys order them now before your hearing is like mine and Randy’s.
Good on you for spreading awareness. Basically everyone would be better off hunting suppressed but there are so many stupid fuddlore myths about them that it's hard to tell people. Some people still think the ATF can just show up and search your house anytime if you own a suppressor. Just the stupidest things.
Suppressed rifles are very very common in Europe.
20+ years ago cans could be heavy, but nowadays they're lightweight and very functional.
They reduce and redirect noise but also felt recoil, a 300 win mag with a can feels like a 308.
There are no downsides to suppressors.
What about changing your rifle from a handy hunting rifle to an unwieldy "kentucky long rifle", or having to reduce your ballistics significantly by shortening your barrel to maintain some sort of handiness?
@@fedup3582 Many fit over the barrel as sleeves, so the extra length is only 3 inches....but, it's entirely up to you - I value my hearing and honestly an extra 1/2 lb is nothing to me.
They're so common in Europe that it's kind of weird when people don't have them.
@@daemonharper3928 thats why I use hearing protection. Pick your poison.
The CGS Hyperion (308) and Hekate (338) suppressors are pretty amazing cans for what they accomplish and would encourage anyone thinking about get a can for hunting to look at those specifically.
I took a long range rifle class a couple of years ago and used the instructors personal rifle that had a massive can on the front. Could t believe how much easier, quieter and enjoyable the experience was.
I don't have much hunting experience but I always thought it was a natural pairing, hunting rifles with suppressors. I hope the trend continues! I like a quick detach can like the sig 762qd. Thanks for the video!
In the UK they're not legally mandatory but, on many privately owned shooting estates and on public land you usually won't get to hunt without a suppressor / moderator. Another advantage Randy didn't touch on is that the animals do not get so scared from the noise and cannot pin point where the shot came from. Which is great if you need a follow up shot or can take a second animal.
And here in the US... My "no more than 90 days" process was almost 400 days... even though I had previously passed an FBI background and Homeland security background check for my job...
@@Isaacmantx thats a lot more complicated than here. When we apply for 1 in the UK, we add it to the application for a firearms certificate (FAC) which should take maximum 6 weeks but fir many forces is taking up to 6 months. In fairness to my local police force, the last variation I asked for was granted, with the paperwork updated and returned in 8 days!
That is what I said above Colin, we get the chance to shoot more than one as no tags apply, that is a big advantage to me, also shooting at night (I can see them legalising night shooting in England before too long), but you mention 'public land', we don't have any public land in the UK.
Here you don't need at apply for anything at all. They're less regulated than sugar.
@@richardjackson3939 Colin may have been referring to that area on tidal estuaries between low water and the mean high water mark, where you can hunt waterfowl. That's the only "public land" I'm aware of in the U.K. That being said, I was in the UK a long time ago, so things may have changed in that specific regard.
We can all work together and repeal the NFA (National Firearms Act of 1934) is out dated and an infringement of our rights!
Thank you Randy for this video!
We did some work for Silencerco here in Utah a few years ago and traded our labor for suppressors. What a game changer!!! Can't imagine hunting un-suppressed ever again!
Yes! Fantastic!
Recently hoped on this bus after trying to communicate with my wife and kids during their hunts and helping them through their shots. Yes it adds weight, and yes it is more expensive than foam earplugs, but you don't have to remember to put them in/on in the heat of the moment, your ears don't ring for days. Another positive especially when it comes to new shooters/kids, it mitigates the fear factor by softening the recoil and the big bang. For me, the pros out weight the cons.
Thanx
Anytime I take a new shooter out I always make them shoot my suppressed rifles first. If any of them say they're too quiet and we shouldn't have them I make them take their ear pro off and walk 25 feet away so they can see its still really loud. They're really nice and highly recommend people try out a suppressor.
They can affect acuracy. I threaded my 243 and my groups fell apart. Put the suppressor back on and it went back to shooting normal. I can only assume the threading messed with the crown on that thin barrel
Native Swede, now living in MT. I’m glad to see that suppressor shift is slowly happening here too. It’s borderline immoral to hunt without a suppressor in Sweden.
Other people are out hiking, foraging, enjoying nature and loud rifle bangs put a big damper on the enjoyment of nature.
👮♂️ Better Check Montana's Hunting Regulations Before You Buy One! 😯
@@ronlowney4700 fully legal since 2015.
87-6-401. Section C
leg.mt.gov/bills/mca/title_0870/chapter_0060/part_0040/section_0010/0870-0060-0040-0010.html
Cool video
I did work for Silencerco and they paid me in suppressors. Never would have considered it before, but can’t imagine shooting without them now!
I really don’t understand why these cannot be bought over the counter like they are sold in many countries???
Like you, I don't understand why it's so difficult. Europe hunters have an expectation that you will use a suppressed rifle in most instances. It is rare that US laws are more restrictive than Europe.
Donald Trump Jr was making a big push for it with Josh Waldron. I think Mike Lee was too?? Hearing reduction act? Not sure why it didn’t happen.
I read once it was primarily a poaching prevention idea during the depression when wildlife was being annihilated. Since then we’ve added all kinds of largely hysterical beliefs to the reasons we restrict suppressors. Meanwhile countries that disallow semi autos for even pest controllers are like “hearing aids are expensive as hell, we want you to get cans over the counter!”
Awesome. Wish I could just go to the store and pick one up.
You and me both!
@@Fresh_Tracks maybe our governor will make it happen like they did down in Texas!
Suppressors completely change my outlook on shooting rifles. We have neighbors in hearing distance and now they don't even know that I'm shooting or at least are not bothered with it.
We American hunters are way behind other nations where suppressors are commonplace safety equipment. Not to get too political, but we should all be telling our Congress Critters to pass the Hearing Protection Act, which would remove suppressors from the NFA. This would remove the tax stamp, lead to lower prices, and we could all go pick up suppressors same-day at our local outfitters.
Agree.
I would definitely get one if that ever happens.
For reference, here is a link to the Hearing Protection Act, House Bill 152 (2023): www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/152?s=1&r=2
Only reason not to is the price and tax stamp. Till each state has a suppressor manufacturer like Texas is doing.
What’s that mean about Texas? If your home state has a manufacturer then you don’t need a tax stamp?
@@Lexidezi225 Nope. There's a suppressor manufacturer down the street from me and I still have to get a tax stamp.
Silencer central has a bunch of different silencers
Was that Bigfoot running in the background just above the suppressor at approximately the 3:03 mark?
The last 7yrs I've Guided a 111 successful Elk Hunts. Usually only 1 or maybe 2 hunters show up with a suppressed rifle.
I wish MORE hunters understood how valuable to their hunt a suppressor adds. Usually better follow up shot opportunities, there is also a velocity bump that comes with a suppressor and so you can take 4" or more off barrel length and get the same results with factory ammo, and communication between spotters, shooter, etc is easier.
Seriously, more hunters really should be getting their weapons suppressed.
Ok Randy, see if this is true or not. I shoot a Weatherby Mark V in a 7mm Rem Mag with 168 vld and suppressed. The last couple hunts with my suppressor, the bullet does not have an exit hole? Does anyone have this experience? TIA
The people complaining about the jumping through legal hoops must have never heard of silencer shop, can literally have everything done in an hour. The cost of both of the ones I own cost less than the rangefinder I use so really it’s not that expensive.
This isn't true at all. I'm confused on what makes you think you can get them the day of. I've been on an 8 month wait list to get one legally.
In the process of adding a suppressor to my 300 Win Mag for the very same reasons. Now I have to go look at a Nosler...
Dead air. Sig. silencer co. Get a 30 cal can that you can take the baffles out and clean… that way if you want to shoot dirty .22 LR through it for fun you can clean it.
@@landonhardt7180 thanks for the info!
Why dont I see over barrel supressors over on your side of the pond ? More expansion room backwards of the muzzle and less overall length. Greetings from Germany 🌿🍻
I'm waiting on my paperwork too. I can't waiT
You will like it.
Been hunting with a silencer for 10 years now! I will never go back! Now if I could actually get my hunting buddies to take the leap…
If you're sponsored to get one like Randy it's a great deal!
For us the cost is crazy expensive! It's like buying another rifle...C'mon Randy!?
Yes and not to mention the legal BS of asking big brother’s permission.
They're worth every penny and every second of the wait.
The cost for a decent 30 cal suppressor plus the paperwork and tax stamp is around $1000. If you can afford to hunt Elk as a non resident you can afford a supressor. A non resident elk tag in Colorado costs ~$900 after you account for your application fee, small game liscence (required to hunt in colorado) and your non resident elk tag.
Fine, to each their own opinion on it. I had to ask myself, "What price to you put on my hearing?" That made it an easy answer, regardless of what it cost.
@@erikovens3731 Hunters in America don't have any idea about paperwork. Try getting a hunting license in Bavaria.
How heavy is it?
It depends on the caliber and how much sound reduction you want.
I want to see if my theory is true. Shooting a Weatherby MarkV 7mm REM Mag.
1. No suppressor, Berger 168vld observed an exit hole on a deer.
2. With suppressor same gun and grain bullet with NO exit hole?
Why is that? My kids tells me it’s my bullet. TIA!
Randy you gave converted to the dark side🤔😳😂 may the suppressed force be with you😂
Unfortunately in California suppressor are illegal.
For Big Game hunting I just don’t see the need for 1 shot. As one and done is usually what it is, like 99 percent of the time. I 62 and my hearing is fine and I fire thousands of rounds a year.
I was of the same mindset, abet not firing thousands of rounds a year.
Then one day i took 3 shots at a treed squirrel. These were with .45 Colt from a pistol at arms length, firing handloaded downloads.
The third shot rang my ears and since then i have Tinnitus, as well as i tried to prevent damage by covering my left ear with my upper arm and reaching over to cover my right ear with my left hand.
I was 60 at the time, had fired for 45 years ( mostly without hearing protection, and thousands of rounds of .22 LR, the one round that truly is destructive to hearing ) and did not realize the damage is accumulative. My ears may ring after a shot from a high powed rifle for a day or two, once 3 days, but it'd always return to what i felt was normal. Slowly loosing my crisp hearing to now a steady hiss and reduced acuity, and this with a hearing aid which merely amplifies noise.
A word to the wise, suffices. . .
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I'm in the minority here, I do use them on occasion, but I find they unbalance a perfectly well designed rifle. However, when the chance presents itself you can (where I live) knock over a few deer before they realise where the shot is coming from.
One nice loud shot can permanently damage your hearing.
@@thomasbryson9976 I can't disagree with that, but I'm 63 now and my hearing is still perfect, I guess it can affect different people at different levels. I do accept standing by some one who is using an unmoderated rifle is not a pleasant experience.
You still hunt without suppressors in the US? Even in Germany, I know people who have more suppressors than rifles ;) Anyone with a hunting license here can buy as many as he can carry. But they are only for centerfire rifles!
Sport shooters without a hunting license are not allowed to have them which I find crazy.
I wish the US was like that with regard to suppressors.
If firearms were invented today, OSHA and the general public would REQUIRE suppressors. Zero questions.
OSHA? Who gives a crap?
@@briargoatkilla the comment is that they should be required, not quasi-banned…
I like replicator suppressors
*silencer
very non legal in many states the funny part back 1970 many kids built them in hi school meddle shop teacher help know one knew or cared about leagle or not had one i thow off brige be for being a cop
BEWARE OF SUPPRESSORS!! They are very addicting.
Exactly It should be mandatory for hunters to use suppressors Unfortunately thats not reality
🕵️♂️ Hey Randy, It is Illegal in Montana and 8 Other States to Hunt With a Suppressor, Isn't It? 😱 Oopse! 👮♂️🚔
Your statement is wrong. Do a bit more research. Legal in MT to hunt with a suppressor registered with ATF - Mont. Code Ann. § 87-6-401(1)(c)
Once I can get them over the counter and not have to ask for permission I'll get one.
Exactly. Cant imagine anyone being foolish enough to willingly jump through all the hoops and pay a thousand bucks to have one of them stupid things.
I agree, the legal BS and the cost are ridiculous.
You ask for permission when you buy a firearm from a shop and fill out a 4473. Buying a suppressor is about 15-20 minutes of work more than that as long as the shop you buy it from has a Silencershop kiosk. People who don't know anything about suppressors always exaggerate how hard it is to buy them. It's laughably easy. I've got 6 of them, best firearm related purchase I've ever made.
@@jimothy-johnson who says I ask permission to buy a gun? In a free state you can buy them in front of a bar.
What? Can you talk a little louder?
Nope.
Unfortunately for us Canadian hunters, suppressors are prohibited in Canada, ostensibly for reasons of law enforcement considerations. While I do strongly agree with some of the fundamental premises of our more stringent firearms legislation (particularly the up-front licensing process, criminal records check, and specific signature requirements for spousal support where applicable, etc), I think the usage of a lightweight suppressor when hunting, particularly to limit hearing damage and of course the other noted benefits, just makes emminent sense. It seems to me that Canada could easily just require some additional steps for a hunter to be licensed to use one while hunting in the field. I would have no issues with that. But the blanket ban, it seems to me, is baseless and unnecessary.
🕵️♂️ Hey Randy, How Do The Animals Even Know That They Are Being Shot At, When You Are Launching Bullets At Them From A Quarter Mile Away With That Thing? 🤔 Don't You Think That Using A Supressor Gives The Hunters An Unfair Advantage? ☹
Think of the physics. A rifle bullet is moving 2,500-3,000 feet per second. Sound travels at 1,100 feet per second. Do you think an animal being shot with an unsuppressed rifle hears the rifle sound before the bullet arrives? Nope. In both cases, suppressed or unsuppressed, the bullet gets there well before the animal hears the sound.
@@Fresh_TracksThe suppressors are not "James Bond" quiet, the report is just magnitudes quieter and they are definitely a joy to shoot and be around!
Well, when you can go to the store or online and buy them without the paperwork, wait time, and giving up your 4th amendment, and at an affordable price. Then they will be flying off the shelf, and then become mandatory on all threaded rifles. Heck they may even sell them already equiped with one right off the shelf in a packaged deal.
"giving up your 4th amendment"
What do you mean by that? It's fuddlore that the ATF can randomly search your house if you own a suppressor.
@@jimothy-johnson By signing the paperwork they can search your house anytime day or night, so they can make sure that you are staying in compliance with no warning.
@@Longtrailside That's just not true. You can look it up. It's a stupid myth that's been around for a long time.
$1100 vs $40 for hearing protection.....I think I'll stick with hearing protection.
It reduces recoil, doesn't spook the game as much I ❤ mine
You can get a great silencer for $500+$200 stamp
Ya, I'm with u on the cheaper hearing protection.
Why are they so expensive? I paid $330 in England for mine!
@@richardjackson3939 does yours have a lifetime warranty ? I suspect the America versions have to hold up a lot better because it’s a heavily regulated item that needs to last a lifetime
Why do you play round with guns with the bolt in!. Bad practise ! Bad look for young shooters. If you aren't shooting get the bolt out.
Supressors seem crazy expensive for what they are....