@@mrssabre2946 wait. Did they just show video of the entire back taillights both fully lit red? This is just embarrassing for the prosecution and a waste of the taxpayers’ money. Embarrassing!
@@ellapetalyes ! I was confused too. Both lights were red. I really don’t understand 🤦🏼♀️ the entire trial, the look on my face is the same as that “huh”Dave Chappell gif 🧐
It's very difficult to even watch this considering how much red glow showed on the ring camera when Karen backed out of the garage at 5am. There is absolutely no way that one little bit of red left on the light would have cast that much glow. It is insane that they expect anyone to buy this nonsense!
Same with the video of them loading it onto the tow truck. They didn’t know there was video and it’s just barely in the frame but there’s a whoooooole lot of red still in that tail light. Not like how it was in the sallyport.
“There is absolutely no way…” Unless you have done the experiment yourself, don’t ever start a claim using those words. You are giving an uninformed opinion at best.
Exactly it makes me so angry the gaslighting! You can’t see his car move you don’t see the almost completely red tail light 😵💫 Yes I see the tail light is red and I even could see the tiny piece fall that the police were missing when they put the pieces they smashed out together
Multiple times, he was stumbling with his words so bad that I thought he might be having a stroke. I was surprised anyone understood what he was saying at times.
How the plastic ended up across the street from JO's body is bizarre imo. Soft objects (bodies) are not capable of creating that damage, nor is she capable of picking up a speed of 24 mph while doing a 3 point turn. This isn't lost on the jury. The commonwealth's history works against them from boots to bench/DA. This trooper is just another representation of just how unqualified and corrupt they are. Jackson's glare reflects exactly how I feel. Sgt Nick Barros of the Dighton PD is a hero for simply being honest. Loved the 2 of you feeding off each other... Definitely need another collaboration! Thank You!!!
I think the wording was showing across the street with the light colored lines pointing to where pieces were found. So actually pieces were on side of street where John was found.
Exactly. He never said what the evidence shows or anything like that. He just kept saying it COULD HAVE happened this way or this COULD have been the outcome. Never once did he give a concrete thought they were all COULD have statements
Such a kangaroo court! I’m so disgusted with this, it’s as plain as day. How they can reach the assumption that he was hit by a car with all the injuries for the most part on his head, With the exception of the dog scratches/bites. If the jury doesn’t find her 💯 innocent I will lose all faith in humanity
I got 2k of cosmetic damage to my front bumper, cracked and dented as much as it still could be while still driveable, and the truck I bumped into looked fresh off the lot, super unfair (in jest, at the time I was grateful that there was no damage since it was my fault. My foot slipped off the brake while parking).
As an insurance adjuster there is a significant difference between two cars colliding which can cause scratches to two bumpers and a vehicle impacting with a human being. I have had over 500 cases where a body collides with a car and a human being, even having a body roll up onto the hood and there being no damage to a car. Tail lights have a lot thicker plastic than bumpers and bumpers stick out further than a tail lamp so a rear bumper would need to have significantly higher damage to it have a tail lamp cracked to that extent. Also dents on the liftgate are on the very rear and the rear signal lamp are 90% ON the side above the quarter panel. If I had this as a claim I would deny that those damages could ever result in a human dying as a result and flag the claim to the national insurance crime bureau for fraud. Just my 10 years of experience.
The mph gage is based on how many times your tire rotates per minute. Since it was snowing out that night, if the tires can't get traction and they spin out. Your car doesn't go anywhere, but your mph gage will rise according to the tire speed. So the 24 mph for 4 seconds at 3500 rpm's is 100% indicative of the tires spinning out. Not her backing up 60 something feet and smashing into John. The biggest clue is his wounds. He would've had to be bent over with head up looking at the car. The car would have to hit him in the face only, and the energy transfer would have to throw him backwards doing a back flip, hitting his head on the curb and then coming to a stop 12 feet up onto the lawn. If that sounds ridiculous to you, don't worry. It sounds ridiculous to all of us.
@sunshinestatejen your mph absolutely does increase if your wheels spin, mph is calculated by the rotation of your tyres. This is why if you change your tire size without calibrating your Speedo you can get pinned with a speeding ticket even though your Speedo says you are not speeding. You are actually going faster than your Speedo records. Bigger tyres will rotate less than smaller tyres giving you a different speed reading. Hope that makes sense.
My sister did just that when she was 6, she broke a ton of little bones in her hand and snapped her wrist. She was roller blading and had her hands in fists in concentration and when she went over a pebble she tensed up and arms out landed on her left hand fisted knuckles. Really messed up her up
Jw but is it possible he dropped his phone or hat or something and bent over behind the car, and then she backed into him? Then at least he'd be hit head first, but I think she's still back over his whole body afterwards in that scenario, so I guess it doesn't work.
@@PrettyFlyFor_aWifinope because bent in half or stooping to pick something up would likely put his head too low to cause the damage to the taillight. Plus at 25 mph in reverse as the CW is trying to claim would have the engjne absolutely screaming. Even drunk the sound would have alerted him
ALL WE KNOW is what Karen says. John may very well have screamed "stop" or "help". Did Karen not wonder where the hell he was if he did not come out from behind her car & head to the Arnols' house? WHERE ELSE WOULD HE BE, good grief! Did she actually see him go up to the house and go IN? If she saw him enter the Arnolds' house, why did she say she hit him? I have zero doubt she hit him and left him to freeze to death. Whether it was an accident, or whether she knew she hit him & did not get help (30 feet away), she left to save her own ass.
This guy won NO points with the jury. Assuredly. If they are normal people, they were LOST immediately. This man spoke for HOURS, and said NOTHING. Thanks for the video ladies! Amazing commentary
I think why the judge didn’t want the defense to give the trooper his phone with the calculator is he’s a defense lawyer. Ian Runkle even mentioned what if he got a text from a client. I wouldn’t want a cop reading that.
The defense case is based on THIRD PARTY CULPRIT This means you harass abuse and blame witnesses even Mickey Mouse if the jury believes the defense. Yanetti and Jackson had to take the FOCUS off Karen Read the only person indicted for the murder of John O'Keefe. You don't have to name the Third Party Culprit This CASE LAW is used when the defense has no evidence to prove the defendant is innocent
It got brought up a lot during the HGR trial in New Mexico, where the lawyers were just bringing up their laptop to the stand instead of paper copies. Runkle said then, and other lawyers as well, that if a witness references on something it becomes evidence for the appellate record and they would be within their rights to request the court keep it until the full end of the case. Didn’t want to fight about whether or not AJ could keep his phone after the witness touches it for that purpose.
From this testimony, I honestly can't see how the Commonwealth can get anywhere close to proving their case in the time (and witnesses) they have left. I feel so bad for Karen Reed, having to go through this, and having to pay for her lawyers. I feel terrible for John O'Keefe's family who will never have the closure of knowing what actually happened. And I feel sorry for the taxpayers who have to pay for this disaster.
@DarkAngel71180 they established that he saw the damaged car in the salleyport, and so when they refer to "the damage" they're referring to the picture from before with the entirely missing tail light
They have tried with almost every single police officer to get cause of death and injuries in to evidence, and Alan objects every time. Trooper B was really trying to give death and reasons for different things on his body like why his eye was swollen and black, he was trying to talk about blood pooling and all kinds of stuff.
The medical examiner should be the one to address all of this. In any other trial, the ME would have been brought in much earlier than this. We're 65+ witnesses in. Why has Lally not called them in to testify, yet? Why try and illicit testimony from others that would normally be asked of the M.E.? Do their conclusions contradict Lally's theory of what occurred? We'll have to wait and see.
My biggest concern is that the jurors might not have critical thinking skills. I doubt i would have ever made it on this jury because i question EVERYTHING and I trust NO ONE.
Rumor is there's at least two attorneys (no idea what field they specialize in) so I'm thinking they have at least some critical thinking skills... At least I hope so
I noticed they always had their heads shaved. I was thinking maybe that's one way to not leave any hair DNA evidence on the scene, since they always had been so crooked in investigating crimes? But I agree, it's strange that most of them are completely bald.
I like how the tail light of the Lexus is about 4 feet off the ground, but they zoom in on the bumper of the Traverse about 18 inches from the ground. Smooth move.
So how many of these cases of Lally being caught red handed violating KRs 6th and 14th amendment rights does it take before Lally could face real consequences for this unethical conduct? As for the prosecution accusing the defence of "ambush" and other things - it is looking more and more to me like the prosecution is projecting, they're accusing the defence of what they're doing.
This popped up so I decided to take a listen and hear some new opinions. I have to say, thank you. I have been saying for weeks, where is the ME and the Lead Detective? Once Proctor was on the stand, he lost a lot of credibility for me. First off, with his language about KR. Second, that he was discussing this with everyone he knows. Third, He had already had a decision about what happened in less than 24 hrs. With the accident reconstruction, as soon as the Trooper said, hitting JO's car could have caused a crack, I pointed out that Officer Barros (who has no skin in this) said, "the light was cracked and missing a small piece." He also stated, they only did a reenactment showing KR purposely hitting JO, but didn't do a reenactment showing an accidental hit, why not? I have also questioned, why did they not take any pictures of where JO was. I understand, life saving measures come first, but the officers on scene could have done something. The Canton PD showed that they have no clue about chain of evidence or even collection of it. Someone explain to me, why the hell there were no pictures taken of KR's car while it was in her parents driveway? Tow truck drivers are great at taking pics of cars before hooking them up.
Towtruck driver not yet testified, I was hoping he will have some photos. But eitherway police should have taken a picture of the back tail light at K dads house, at the sallyport..etc.
Thank you for having the guest on! It is helpful to heal from an attorney practicing in that area and who was physically in the room to confirm that us online spectators are not crazy!!! Lol 😅😅 it really is a sh*t show. And Lally really is draaaaaging it out.
I bumped into a car once and there was a huge dent in my car. I went to go home to get a hammer to pop it out, and when I got home the dent was GONE. It popped out on its own!
@@curiouslytot1950 yeah vehicles are designed to bend shift. It could easily hit in the right place and shift enough to crack a tail light without a direct hit
Collin isn’t a reasonable suspect. You’d have to believe either the fight occurred outside the house with Karen in the car sitting there, because of the other witnesses seeing Karen’s car there. Or John came in the house and every person in the house is in on the conspiracy. Not plausible. Brian Higgins is a better fall guy. No one in the house even has to be involved. But I know you all love to beat up on JM.
Love @@AttorneyMelanielittle Im so proud of her!! The defense attorney's loved her. thank you so much Attorney Natalie. You're amazing!! Two powerful woman!! 🎉🤟
Did any of these dodos ever look at the video where Karen Read is leaving the driveway after hitting Okeefs car and the tail light is still 99% intact. As You point out...case closed. The damage to the tail light occurred after the car is towed.
So the EDR nor back up camera recorded nothing, and they checked everything and car was not malfunctioning…. Yet the car somehow missed this event. Yeah! I’m not buying it at all.
If you look at the video when they tow the car from her parents house, you can see the light from the side there, and that’s where the Dighton cop testified it was cracked with a small piece missing… but not completely damaged. just like it looks in this video…
I love Melanie Little.... She has been my permanent go to for all things Karen Read. Except Friday when she went to Mass. to go to trial. That day i watched Defense diaries... But I'm loving it here too. 🤗😁
To be fair, the witness are kinda submitted late, both sides don't really know what they gonna say. Defense know their expert opinion is different from CW only. The nitpick details are unknown.
@@spacecadet76 what the common wealth did is a discovery violation and definitely shouldn’t come in. The judge knew it was coming and beat Jackson to initiating. Lally is being slimy and has done it before. The defense is being legit! There is an FBI investigation going on. FBI is calling bs in common wealths lies and helping the defense. As new evidence comes in it’s admitted. This stuff the CW is being slimy about is not new at all
@@spacecadet76they have actually sent all they have on what they are going say. they are fbi hired experts and so they didn't have everything they were requesting so they weren't late turning it over they simply didn't have anything else and they also had asked the judge due to information dump to continue the case however she forced them to move forward so that's why they don't have it. the cw on the other hand had this guys expert opinion and then boom right before court his opinion changed and they didn't turn that over to courts or defense.
Guys, stop saying that about the belt because you’re destroying your argument. When they showed pictures of his clothing, the belt was on his pants through the belt, loops and unbuckled! Please please please, we’re hurting our cause when we keep putting out false stuff. There’s a lot more to this case than his so-called missing belt. Not missing not missing. Natalie. I hope you read this so you can set people straight when they ask that question.❤❤❤
She didn’t. If the wheel spins on ice or snow it would show the wheel spinning and on that the computer would show that as mph even though it’s not going anywhere
I just missed the live 😢. I’ll catch it on the replay. Congrats on 150K subscribers! I was watching you law and lumber when you achieved that accolade 🎉!
This entire Case is based on Fraud & Corruption of the Albert Clan. Disgraceful. The entire townspeople should be out in the streets. This might be their last chance to free themselves of that family.
The Lexus taillight sticks out, rather than being recessed. And they’re looking at the left side of John’s car but it clearly shows she backed along the back and made contact from then middle-to-right back side. Where there is a lighter metallic scrape. And it does seem like there is a metal emblem on John’s car where it could have made contact with Karen’s taillight.
They never wanted this to go to trial and get exposed. That’s why when proctor found out yanneti was her aty he got so angry he wanted her to kill herself
Thank you so much for your insights Natalie! Also, I love that you give a defense's perspective. That's why I watch! You've really opened my eyes to the need for a zealous defense. I'm a qualitative researcher and doctoral student and we call what you shared our positionality. we share our position when writing papers because we understand how the positions that we take and our life experiences can limit, or expand, how we interpret and analyze data.
So many questions. How does she hit him on his outer right arm with her back right tail light as she does a k-turn...when her right rear light would be the furthest from him? It would be pointing into the ROAD. Her LEFT rear ight wouldve been closer to him. How does he shatter the entire light if she supposedly glanced him with her car? how does the light shred ONLY his right arm? How does no other part of his body end up with lacerations? How does he end up ten feet from the road if she only hit him at a glance???
You need to clip the rear car lights after she hit John's car and went to go look for him, please. It needs to be shared all over the world. This case is a farce.
I just missed catching this live, but ❤ the replay. It is so cool seeing more of lawtube come together over this case! I've only seen some clips of Melanie included in those compilations @AussieInsider does for reactions to moments in this case. I am definitely going to subscribe & check out more @AttorneyMelanieLittle
The belt is a red herring. When they showed the picture of his clothing, they held up a pair of pants and the belt was still loop through the belt loops and was only unbuckled. My question, is where are his socks? John had OCD and made everyone take their shoes off before they came in the house. If he went in that house, especially with snow on his shoes, he probably took them off, therefore, there would be dog hair all over his socks, anyone who has a dog in the house knows that there’s no way you can sweep enough never have dog hair on your floors, especially with a German shepherd!
Is it unusually to only have one prosecutor for a murder trial like this? Lally is doing it all. I still think he’s playing dirty but I am surprised he’s solo
McLaughlin is also a prosecutor in this case, the chick that sits next to Lally and the chick Jackson mentions when asking if the expert witness saw anyone taking notes during his new opinion
@@NiasiNoir yeah I figured behind the scenes there is more. They list 4 people I think? But Lally is the only one doing Direct and cross in all witnesses. Maybe that will change but that is a lot for one person. When it’s the defense’s turn maybe we will see a shift
Natalie don't you wish you knew all of this before going on Vinnie's show? He said it would crack a light but wouldn't do the damage that he saw. He didn't see it before it was Proctored!
I have been watching this case since about February and I can’t believe it JUST NOW occurred to me the following: Trooper Paul showed data that KR did a JTurn AND THEN drove forward a bit before making her alleged reversing to hit JO. Every single witness… even the ones we know are corrupt to the core testified KR’s Lexus was positioned with the passenger side facing 34 Fairview. So if she makes a JTurn, drives forward, AND THEN goes in reverse, then it would have been the driver side that would have hit JO. Otherwise JO would have ended up in the middle of the street if he was hit by the right side of the SUV. Am I miss-remembering the testimony?
2:13:58 I find it LAUGHABLE - that the Judge completely ignores the “laughable”…. Yet, Jackson says they’ve been “ambushed” and immediately is scolded. 2:14:45 And Lally interrupts the Judge and tries speaking over her. He has been allowed far too much leeway in this court room and is given so much grace by this Judge. It legit feels like an unfair advantage that Lally has over the defense.
If you watched the full video from the trial she did actually went after Lally on laughable... I haven't watched all of this video so I'm not sure if Natalie played that part or not.
@@MimiGardens I had actually already seen it on Emily’s channel. I just should have clarified that I know she does later admonish him, but she def didn’t bat an eye the first time.
It feels to me like she feels bad for Lally because of how bad he’s preforming. I it’s not, but it feels that way. I’m not sure how she excuses not getting the opinion to defense.
I used to think Lally was lamely going through the motions - this and other sandbagging surprises confirms even more that he's as slimy as they come. Exactly what I'd expect from the NCDA's prosecutors.
They also ONLY showed him the video and those 2 poor pics. One was a close-up of the left bumper corner, but that’s not where she hit. She hit More in the middle of his car and there was no picture of that and he never saw the car in person. Meaning John’s car! That video and two crappy pictures for him to make a decision that could put someone in prison for life! SMH
I struggle to see how the state broughg this to trial. Even on the drunk driving I don't think what they have shown was beyond a reasonable doubt. There was no real investigation with anything documented to a minimal degree. I can only assume they wanted to charge her as high as possible and get her to plea ...
I used to be a legal assistant for an attorney whose practice was almost exclusively MVAs, including car vs pedestrian. I’ve seen crashes where people are knocked out of their shoes, og course. I’ve seen exactly one where a woman lost her pants in a wreck but it was higher speed and she was ejected from the vehicle. She was wearing loose sweatpants and they likely caught on something as she was ejected through the window. I’ve never, ever seen someone lose a belt. This trooper’s testimony makes absolutely zero sense.
Another thought I just had is if the defence was able to take a video of the Lexus, at night, with the brakes applied and not applied so we can see the stark difference of what the rear of the SUV taillight would have looked like. It would be like a white beacon, I’m sure.
The courthouse is even older than Melanie thought, it was constructed between 1825-27. It’s so old the original bell that was on the roof was made by Paul Revere
I went to a high school parking lot that was empty. I put my SUV in reverse and gunned it. I got up to about 16 or 17 miles an hour and chickened out. I didn’t curve around the road either. The snow would really started sticking on the ground when she was there. If she was mad and kind of floored it to leave, it’s very possible. Her tire spun on the slickness of the road revving up the miles per hour when she was actually sitting still.
2:25:11 My amazing fur baby used to do the same pee-pee dance 😅 it was a one-two stomp and a huff, one-two huff, one-two huff, then a little squeal-grunt like "Come on Mom!" 🐶 Fur babies are the best ♡♡♡
One thing I find curious is how the tail light breakage stops exactly where the tail light unit stops. I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely that it would stop in a straight line.
I work with crash investigators and I believe that while they do record incidents they do not record time and date of the incident. It would be more like number of ignition cycles between events. It's possible that Lexus is capturing that data on the EDR, but I doubt it. You might be able to tell when something happened by piecing together known driving times. Also, does this vehicle not have reverse automatic braking. My Subaru does and I don't think I could hit someone even if I was trying to. It routinely slams on the breaks because one of the shrubs along the driveway is floppy in the rain or snow.
33:01 why in the Tom Cruise couch jumping hell, does the court not buy a small light for the lectern so the lawyer can stay near to the Mike… seriously Aunt Bev, wtf.
And speakers so that the jury can hear what the lawyers and witnesses are saying. I find it mind boggling that they have microphones to ensure those outside the court can hear, but don't ensure that those inside the courtroom can hear!
a millennial affirmative action lawyer with dreads? I'll stick to old jews and white dudes for legal advice.
Yikes
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Pin of shame lol
Whaaaaaaat
@@akosua935😂. So funny
I feel very uncomfortable with the fact that the more the state talks, the less I believe them.
It's supposed to be the opposite especially with 65 witnesses taking the stand.
@@mrssabre2946 wait. Did they just show video of the entire back taillights both fully lit red? This is just embarrassing for the prosecution and a waste of the taxpayers’ money. Embarrassing!
I could not agree more!
@@ellapetalyes ! I was confused too. Both lights were red. I really don’t understand 🤦🏼♀️ the entire trial, the look on my face is the same as that “huh”Dave Chappell gif 🧐
Very clear and convincing no 2 27 goggle search
They need the accident reconstruction expert to explain how Colin slipped on the ice and scraped his knuckles.
lol right!
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Omg please that would be hilarious 😂
Omg this!! 😂😂😂
And Brian Albert had a black eye and arm sling after that night
It's very difficult to even watch this considering how much red glow showed on the ring camera when Karen backed out of the garage at 5am. There is absolutely no way that one little bit of red left on the light would have cast that much glow. It is insane that they expect anyone to buy this nonsense!
That right there! I have been saying that since I first saw the Ring video.
Yes and the office from Dighton said she cracked it with a dent not in all those pieces
Same with the video of them loading it onto the tow truck. They didn’t know there was video and it’s just barely in the frame but there’s a whoooooole lot of red still in that tail light. Not like how it was in the sallyport.
“There is absolutely no way…” Unless you have done the experiment yourself, don’t ever start a claim using those words. You are giving an uninformed opinion at best.
Exactly it makes me so angry the gaslighting! You can’t see his car move you don’t see the almost completely red tail light 😵💫 Yes I see the tail light is red and I even could see the tiny piece fall that the police were missing when they put the pieces they smashed out together
If the police did not make a grid, write notes, measure anything , how can we be sure any of this is true data?
Multiple times, he was stumbling with his words so bad that I thought he might be having a stroke. I was surprised anyone understood what he was saying at times.
I hate to say it but it felt like he got picked for this role because we can’t understand him 😭 poor guy
My favorite part was when he said his car sideswiped him and he spun clownterclockwise!
Lots of crime scene guys like to deal with the facts and do not have to talk much so when it comes to testifying it is a terrifying venture.
He obviously has a slight speech impediment . I can hear it because I studied speech pathology . My heart goes out to him
@Khadisue I agree, but beyond that, he was so caught up in his words sometimes that he couldn't complete a thought properly.
For me the doubt began 1st day.. They want us to believe 10 people passed the area were the body was and didn't see it ugh please
How the plastic ended up across the street from JO's body is bizarre imo. Soft objects (bodies) are not capable of creating that damage, nor is she capable of picking up a speed of 24 mph while doing a 3 point turn. This isn't lost on the jury.
The commonwealth's history works against them from boots to bench/DA. This trooper is just another representation of just how unqualified and corrupt they are. Jackson's glare reflects exactly how I feel. Sgt Nick Barros of the Dighton PD is a hero for simply being honest. Loved the 2 of you feeding off each other... Definitely need another collaboration! Thank You!!!
It should end right there. The tail light was not smashed up after Officer John O’Keefe was murdered . Hod rest his soul.
I think the wording was showing across the street with the light colored lines pointing to where pieces were found. So actually pieces were on side of street where John was found.
This guy was one of the least expert experts I've seen in a long time....
He's a real Jack of no trades !
Exactly. He never said what the evidence shows or anything like that. He just kept saying it COULD HAVE happened this way or this COULD have been the outcome. Never once did he give a concrete thought they were all COULD have statements
@@crystalfarmer4074Yeah I felt confused and like I didn't really get anything out of him.
Such a kangaroo court! I’m so disgusted with this, it’s as plain as day. How they can reach the assumption that he was hit by a car with all the injuries for the most part on his head, With the exception of the dog scratches/bites. If the jury doesn’t find her 💯 innocent I will lose all faith in humanity
Apparently they just don't give a shlt
It’s horrible. Such a disgraceful & disgusting abuse of power.
This guy says that even at low speed, there is always damage to both cars. Anyone who has any life experience knows better.
This! From experience, its not true at all.
I got 2k of cosmetic damage to my front bumper, cracked and dented as much as it still could be while still driveable, and the truck I bumped into looked fresh off the lot, super unfair (in jest, at the time I was grateful that there was no damage since it was my fault. My foot slipped off the brake while parking).
As an insurance adjuster there is a significant difference between two cars colliding which can cause scratches to two bumpers and a vehicle impacting with a human being. I have had over 500 cases where a body collides with a car and a human being, even having a body roll up onto the hood and there being no damage to a car. Tail lights have a lot thicker plastic than bumpers and bumpers stick out further than a tail lamp so a rear bumper would need to have significantly higher damage to it have a tail lamp cracked to that extent. Also dents on the liftgate are on the very rear and the rear signal lamp are 90% ON the side above the quarter panel. If I had this as a claim I would deny that those damages could ever result in a human dying as a result and flag the claim to the national insurance crime bureau for fraud. Just my 10 years of experience.
The mph gage is based on how many times your tire rotates per minute. Since it was snowing out that night, if the tires can't get traction and they spin out. Your car doesn't go anywhere, but your mph gage will rise according to the tire speed. So the 24 mph for 4 seconds at 3500 rpm's is 100% indicative of the tires spinning out. Not her backing up 60 something feet and smashing into John. The biggest clue is his wounds. He would've had to be bent over with head up looking at the car. The car would have to hit him in the face only, and the energy transfer would have to throw him backwards doing a back flip, hitting his head on the curb and then coming to a stop 12 feet up onto the lawn. If that sounds ridiculous to you, don't worry. It sounds ridiculous to all of us.
When your wheels spin your rpm’s increase not your mph’s.
@@Sunshinestatejenas far as the cars recording goes they'll be same. MPH is just a function of your RPM plus the estimated radius of your wheel/tyres
@sunshinestatejen your mph absolutely does increase if your wheels spin, mph is calculated by the rotation of your tyres. This is why if you change your tire size without calibrating your Speedo you can get pinned with a speeding ticket even though your Speedo says you are not speeding. You are actually going faster than your Speedo records. Bigger tyres will rotate less than smaller tyres giving you a different speed reading. Hope that makes sense.
@@SunshinestatejenWrong.
@@Justice1911A1 ok, I believe that.
I recently fell on my hand, had I fell on my knuckles my bones would have been crushed. I call BS Collin
Colin 👊 👨
My sister did just that when she was 6, she broke a ton of little bones in her hand and snapped her wrist. She was roller blading and had her hands in fists in concentration and when she went over a pebble she tensed up and arms out landed on her left hand fisted knuckles. Really messed up her up
no one falls on their knuckles- brain doesn't work that way
@@Nasdaqbabythat’s a fact.
Same goes for boxers, when they hit, they brake bones, Colin didnt have broken bones.I dont think it was him.
They want us to believe that John O’Keefe just stood there and watched Karen backing up at 30mph coming right at him?
Not only that but probably leaned his head into the car to guarantee that sort of impact lol.
Jw but is it possible he dropped his phone or hat or something and bent over behind the car, and then she backed into him? Then at least he'd be hit head first, but I think she's still back over his whole body afterwards in that scenario, so I guess it doesn't work.
@@PrettyFlyFor_aWifinope because bent in half or stooping to pick something up would likely put his head too low to cause the damage to the taillight. Plus at 25 mph in reverse as the CW is trying to claim would have the engjne absolutely screaming. Even drunk the sound would have alerted him
ALL WE KNOW is what Karen says. John may very well have screamed "stop" or "help". Did Karen not wonder where the hell he was if he did not come out from behind her car & head to the Arnols' house? WHERE ELSE WOULD HE BE, good grief! Did she actually see him go up to the house and go IN? If she saw him enter the Arnolds' house, why did she say she hit him? I have zero doubt she hit him and left him to freeze to death. Whether it was an accident, or whether she knew she hit him & did not get help (30 feet away), she left to save her own ass.
_I_ want to know how she backed up just enough to hit him full force but didn’t back up so far she ran him over.
This guy won NO points with the jury. Assuredly. If they are normal people, they were LOST immediately. This man spoke for HOURS, and said NOTHING. Thanks for the video ladies! Amazing commentary
Word salad chef....
Just a bunch of stuttering and tripping over his own words.
I think why the judge didn’t want the defense to give the trooper his phone with the calculator is he’s a defense lawyer. Ian Runkle even mentioned what if he got a text from a client. I wouldn’t want a cop reading that.
The defense case is based on THIRD PARTY CULPRIT This means you harass abuse and blame witnesses even Mickey Mouse if the jury believes the defense. Yanetti and Jackson had to take the FOCUS off Karen Read the only person indicted for the murder of John O'Keefe. You don't have to name the Third Party Culprit This CASE LAW is used when the defense has no evidence to prove the defendant is innocent
It got brought up a lot during the HGR trial in New Mexico, where the lawyers were just bringing up their laptop to the stand instead of paper copies. Runkle said then, and other lawyers as well, that if a witness references on something it becomes evidence for the appellate record and they would be within their rights to request the court keep it until the full end of the case. Didn’t want to fight about whether or not AJ could keep his phone after the witness touches it for that purpose.
From this testimony, I honestly can't see how the Commonwealth can get anywhere close to proving their case in the time (and witnesses) they have left. I feel so bad for Karen Reed, having to go through this, and having to pay for her lawyers. I feel terrible for John O'Keefe's family who will never have the closure of knowing what actually happened. And I feel sorry for the taxpayers who have to pay for this disaster.
Agreed on all accounts!
The expert is baseing his opinion on what the taillight looked like at the sally port
How do you know that? Is that just your opinion or did they mention it?
@@DarkAngel71180 trolling everyone's comments.... Jen McAlbert...is that you?
@DarkAngel71180 they established that he saw the damaged car in the salleyport, and so when they refer to "the damage" they're referring to the picture from before with the entirely missing tail light
You mean “expert”
They have tried with almost every single police officer to get cause of death and injuries in to evidence, and Alan objects every time. Trooper B was really trying to give death and reasons for different things on his body like why his eye was swollen and black, he was trying to talk about blood pooling and all kinds of stuff.
The medical examiner should be the one to address all of this. In any other trial, the ME would have been brought in much earlier than this. We're 65+ witnesses in. Why has Lally not called them in to testify, yet? Why try and illicit testimony from others that would normally be asked of the M.E.?
Do their conclusions contradict Lally's theory of what occurred? We'll have to wait and see.
My biggest concern is that the jurors might not have critical thinking skills. I doubt i would have ever made it on this jury because i question EVERYTHING and I trust NO ONE.
Rumor is there's at least two attorneys (no idea what field they specialize in) so I'm thinking they have at least some critical thinking skills... At least I hope so
It almost seems like the commonwealth had all the troopers bald their heads to make the jury confused on who said what bc why are all of them bald?
That's a really good point, I would think it was way off into a conspiracy under normal circumstances, but in this trial... anything is possible
I think it's their 'cult'. If you are not head shaved then you are not part of their gang
I noticed they always had their heads shaved. I was thinking maybe that's one way to not leave any hair DNA evidence on the scene, since they always had been so crooked in investigating crimes? But I agree, it's strange that most of them are completely bald.
no it's got more to do with association of the club they are in
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They look like gang members 😂
I like how the tail light of the Lexus is about 4 feet off the ground, but they zoom in on the bumper of the Traverse about 18 inches from the ground. Smooth move.
I know, right! 😂
So how many of these cases of Lally being caught red handed violating KRs 6th and 14th amendment rights does it take before Lally could face real consequences for this unethical conduct?
As for the prosecution accusing the defence of "ambush" and other things - it is looking more and more to me like the prosecution is projecting, they're accusing the defence of what they're doing.
Until defendants have access to state resources there can never be a fair trial
Exactly!
So are they claiming he hit his head on the curb, than bounced off like a basketball to end up on the lawn????
Wow. Powerful guest. What a wonder you are as a creator. I am so thankful for what you are doing. I hope the world notices. 👏
Agree! Natalie is brilliant and I learn so much.
This popped up so I decided to take a listen and hear some new opinions. I have to say, thank you. I have been saying for weeks, where is the ME and the Lead Detective? Once Proctor was on the stand, he lost a lot of credibility for me. First off, with his language about KR. Second, that he was discussing this with everyone he knows. Third, He had already had a decision about what happened in less than 24 hrs. With the accident reconstruction, as soon as the Trooper said, hitting JO's car could have caused a crack, I pointed out that Officer Barros (who has no skin in this) said, "the light was cracked and missing a small piece." He also stated, they only did a reenactment showing KR purposely hitting JO, but didn't do a reenactment showing an accidental hit, why not? I have also questioned, why did they not take any pictures of where JO was. I understand, life saving measures come first, but the officers on scene could have done something. The Canton PD showed that they have no clue about chain of evidence or even collection of it. Someone explain to me, why the hell there were no pictures taken of KR's car while it was in her parents driveway? Tow truck drivers are great at taking pics of cars before hooking them up.
Towtruck driver not yet testified, I was hoping he will have some photos. But eitherway police should have taken a picture of the back tail light at K dads house, at the sallyport..etc.
I never could have gotten through this testimony without this. Thank you!
🇦🇺 The World is watching this debacle ❤
These people couldn't care less...
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Thank you for having the guest on! It is helpful to heal from an attorney practicing in that area and who was physically in the room to confirm that us online spectators are not crazy!!! Lol 😅😅 it really is a sh*t show. And Lally really is draaaaaging it out.
"Checks and Balances" Doh! 🤦🏻♂️
Checkers and Balloon knots
I bumped into a car once and there was a huge dent in my car. I went to go home to get a hammer to pop it out, and when I got home the dent was GONE. It popped out on its own!
We backed into a care once and had no dent at all. Just a cracked taillight. Didn’t even dent the care we hit. We all shook hands and headed home.
@@curiouslytot1950 yeah vehicles are designed to bend shift. It could easily hit in the right place and shift enough to crack a tail light without a direct hit
@Attorney Melanie Little I think they heard you. There's suddenly a box of fresh gloves at the witness stand.
Which Tully didn't see even when it was right in front of him... And he's Proctor's boss.
7:49 In the words of the incomparable EDB💜 - Chat is bae
They should have done a match up of colins knuckles to John’s face
And the blood dna on John's pants from 2 other people other than John.
@@MaTe-du2lw yeah colin broke johns skull with his superman strength and only came out with red knuckles.
@@jills9373 yes the EMTS
Collin isn’t a reasonable suspect. You’d have to believe either the fight occurred outside the house with Karen in the car sitting there, because of the other witnesses seeing Karen’s car there. Or John came in the house and every person in the house is in on the conspiracy. Not plausible. Brian Higgins is a better fall guy. No one in the house even has to be involved. But I know you all love to beat up on JM.
@user-ii2uh1xq7b lmao yeah right. The 2E MTs cut themselves and bled on John's pants. 🤣🤣🤣
The defence definately wants the jury to see Karen Reeds SUV leaving with the tail light intact.
Love @@AttorneyMelanielittle Im so proud of her!! The defense attorney's loved her. thank you so much Attorney Natalie. You're amazing!! Two powerful woman!! 🎉🤟
Expert witness testimonies was all his personal assumption , that’s the same as reasonable doubt!!
Did any of these dodos ever look at the video where Karen Read is leaving the driveway after hitting Okeefs car and the tail light is still 99% intact. As You point out...case closed. The damage to the tail light occurred after the car is towed.
It’s the most insane gaslighting
So the EDR nor back up camera recorded nothing, and they checked everything and car was not malfunctioning…. Yet the car somehow missed this event. Yeah! I’m not buying it at all.
If you look at the video when they tow the car from her parents house, you can see the light from the side there, and that’s where the Dighton cop testified it was cracked with a small piece missing… but not completely damaged. just like it looks in this video…
The tire tracks tgo right up to the corner of the car. She clearly hit the car! That was the only thing that gave them this ammo to go after her!
There is nothing clear about this case. Stop using that word.
She did clearly hit the car if you watch the zoomed in ring video though, like when Jackson showed it that way to Sgt Bukhenik.
@@DarkAngel71180 it is very clear that the case is bogus and that officer O'Keefe was never struck by a vehicle. Stop trying to gaslight people
I love Melanie Little.... She has been my permanent go to for all things Karen Read. Except Friday when she went to Mass. to go to trial. That day i watched Defense diaries...
But I'm loving it here too. 🤗😁
The fact that there has to voir dire for defense experts but not for this guy says so much IMHO. Completely unfair trial
Especially since 2 of the defense witnesses are ones that are doing the FBI investigation and FBI is helping the defense
To be fair, the witness are kinda submitted late, both sides don't really know what they gonna say. Defense know their expert opinion is different from CW only. The nitpick details are unknown.
@@spacecadet76 what the common wealth did is a discovery violation and definitely shouldn’t come in. The judge knew it was coming and beat Jackson to initiating. Lally is being slimy and has done it before. The defense is being legit! There is an FBI investigation going on. FBI is calling bs in common wealths lies and helping the defense. As new evidence comes in it’s admitted. This stuff the CW is being slimy about is not new at all
@@spacecadet76they have actually sent all they have on what they are going say. they are fbi hired experts and so they didn't have everything they were requesting so they weren't late turning it over they simply didn't have anything else and they also had asked the judge due to information dump to continue the case however she forced them to move forward so that's why they don't have it. the cw on the other hand had this guys expert opinion and then boom right before court his opinion changed and they didn't turn that over to courts or defense.
Why don’t they put a microphone on the Lally? The jury must be so annoyed by this.
His expert opinion is that the car didn't move when bumped? That's absolutely laughable and almost a flat-out LIE! We all saw it, come on!
Love Melanie! So glad you collaborated 🩷
Guys, stop saying that about the belt because you’re destroying your argument. When they showed pictures of his clothing, the belt was on his pants through the belt, loops and unbuckled! Please please please, we’re hurting our cause when we keep putting out false stuff. There’s a lot more to this case than his so-called missing belt. Not missing not missing. Natalie. I hope you read this so you can set people straight when they ask that question.❤❤❤
She didn’t. If the wheel spins on ice or snow it would show the wheel spinning and on that the computer would show that as mph even though it’s not going anywhere
That bumper us too low to have damage
I just missed the live 😢. I’ll catch it on the replay. Congrats on 150K subscribers! I was watching you law and lumber when you achieved that accolade 🎉!
Me too. 🖖
This entire Case is based on Fraud & Corruption of the Albert Clan. Disgraceful. The entire townspeople should be out in the streets. This might be their last chance to free themselves of that family.
The Lexus taillight sticks out, rather than being recessed. And they’re looking at the left side of John’s car but it clearly shows she backed along the back and made contact from then middle-to-right back side. Where there is a lighter metallic scrape. And it does seem like there is a metal emblem on John’s car where it could have made contact with Karen’s taillight.
I’m obsessed with this duo, love the two of you!!!! ❤
The CW upgraded the charges to _2nd degree_ mrder (not 1st) - and they did so because they wanted her to plead out.
They never wanted this to go to trial and get exposed. That’s why when proctor found out yanneti was her aty he got so angry he wanted her to kill herself
@@AmyB369 bull
Thank you so much for your insights Natalie! Also, I love that you give a defense's perspective. That's why I watch! You've really opened my eyes to the need for a zealous defense. I'm a qualitative researcher and doctoral student and we call what you shared our positionality. we share our position when writing papers because we understand how the positions that we take and our life experiences can limit, or expand, how we interpret and analyze data.
So many questions. How does she hit him on his outer right arm with her back right tail light as she does a k-turn...when her right rear light would be the furthest from him? It would be pointing into the ROAD. Her LEFT rear ight wouldve been closer to him. How does he shatter the entire light if she supposedly glanced him with her car? how does the light shred ONLY his right arm? How does no other part of his body end up with lacerations? How does he end up ten feet from the road if she only hit him at a glance???
It doesn’t because this is all total bullshit
Exactly
Interesting how many 'experts' are willing to throw away their professional integrity to say "things that aren't quite true" in open court.
Lally has actually put me to sleep twice! No lie! I feel for the jury. I’m glued to this case and I don’t know what I’m missing when I nodded off
You need to clip the rear car lights after she hit John's car and went to go look for him, please. It needs to be shared all over the world. This case is a farce.
I think the real reason for this witness is to try to get in part of the ME report without calling the ME
I just missed catching this live, but ❤ the replay. It is so cool seeing more of lawtube come together over this case! I've only seen some clips of Melanie included in those compilations @AussieInsider does for reactions to moments in this case. I am definitely going to subscribe & check out more @AttorneyMelanieLittle
The belt is a red herring. When they showed the picture of his clothing, they held up a pair of pants and the belt was still loop through the belt loops and was only unbuckled. My question, is where are his socks? John had OCD and made everyone take their shoes off before they came in the house. If he went in that house, especially with snow on his shoes, he probably took them off, therefore, there would be dog hair all over his socks, anyone who has a dog in the house knows that there’s no way you can sweep enough never have dog hair on your floors, especially with a German shepherd!
Is it unusually to only have one prosecutor for a murder trial like this? Lally is doing it all. I still think he’s playing dirty but I am surprised he’s solo
He has a team. Just he is the one doing the talking.
No one else wants their name on this case
McLaughlin is also a prosecutor in this case, the chick that sits next to Lally and the chick Jackson mentions when asking if the expert witness saw anyone taking notes during his new opinion
@@NiasiNoir yeah I figured behind the scenes there is more. They list 4 people I think? But Lally is the only one doing Direct and cross in all witnesses. Maybe that will change but that is a lot for one person. When it’s the defense’s turn maybe we will see a shift
@@MoonDragon1 McLaughlin might take over the prosecution's cross
I love Melanie Little! Great stream! Loved your reaction when you realized Karen's tail light was still in-tact when she pulled out at 5am!
you like space cadets?
This case makes me mistrust police officers
Good.
You should!
Natalie don't you wish you knew all of this before going on Vinnie's show? He said it would crack a light but wouldn't do the damage that he saw. He didn't see it before it was Proctored!
If objections come with a reason we wouldn't hear Lally half as much and that's why beverly has it this way TO KEEP BLOCKING THE DEFENCE?
The prosecutions entire case: TRUST ME BRAH
I love both of you smart ladies so much, I am enduring this testimony for a THIRD time. 😅
Congratulations again! So excited for you!
Congratulations Natalieeee! Here with you to 200K and beyond! 🎉🎉🎉
Lally is the Sandman, MFer is hypnotic.
I’m not sure they can phase out that stenographer. She does everything in that court. The whole thing would fall apart without her.
I have been watching this case since about February and I can’t believe it JUST NOW occurred to me the following:
Trooper Paul showed data that KR did a JTurn AND THEN drove forward a bit before making her alleged reversing to hit JO.
Every single witness… even the ones we know are corrupt to the core testified KR’s Lexus was positioned with the passenger side facing 34 Fairview. So if she makes a JTurn, drives forward, AND THEN goes in reverse, then it would have been the driver side that would have hit JO. Otherwise JO would have ended up in the middle of the street if he was hit by the right side of the SUV.
Am I miss-remembering the testimony?
2:13:58 I find it LAUGHABLE - that the Judge completely ignores the “laughable”…. Yet, Jackson says they’ve been “ambushed” and immediately is scolded.
2:14:45 And Lally interrupts the Judge and tries speaking over her. He has been allowed far too much leeway in this court room and is given so much grace by this Judge. It legit feels like an unfair advantage that Lally has over the defense.
If you watched the full video from the trial she did actually went after Lally on laughable... I haven't watched all of this video so I'm not sure if Natalie played that part or not.
@@MimiGardens oh she played it. But, she totally skipped admonishing him the first time he said it. I just feel like she NEVER gives Jackson an inch.
@@MimiGardens I had actually already seen it on Emily’s channel. I just should have clarified that I know she does later admonish him, but she def didn’t bat an eye the first time.
Ok, I must have missed the first time he said it. Sorry, it was getting late and I needed to get to bed. She does get on Jackson more.
It feels to me like she feels bad for Lally because of how bad he’s preforming. I it’s not, but it feels that way. I’m not sure how she excuses not getting the opinion to defense.
How can she say it doesn't move!? It clearly does!
I used to think Lally was lamely going through the motions - this and other sandbagging surprises confirms even more that he's as slimy as they come. Exactly what I'd expect from the NCDA's prosecutors.
This is where I'm at. I could assume he'd made mistakes/was incompetent but by this point in actually in the he's being nefarious and unethical camp.
This is so phony, it's creepy and scary.
It’s disturbing
Melanie is creepy
I love this duo!!!! I subscribe to both of your channels so I was so happy to see you ladies together!! 💕
Oh goodness “what is anything?” Lawyer school of Elaine Charlson Bredehoft or something 🤨
Everytime the witness says “how fast” I originally thought he was saying “half assed”.
Just as much a power couple as Rob and Ian! Loved you two together!
This young Woman obviously talented...
They also ONLY showed him the video and those 2 poor pics. One was a close-up of the left bumper corner, but that’s not where she hit. She hit More in the middle of his car and there was no picture of that and he never saw the car in person. Meaning John’s car! That video and two crappy pictures for him to make a decision that could put someone in prison for life! SMH
I struggle to see how the state broughg this to trial. Even on the drunk driving I don't think what they have shown was beyond a reasonable doubt. There was no real investigation with anything documented to a minimal degree. I can only assume they wanted to charge her as high as possible and get her to plea ...
I used to be a legal assistant for an attorney whose practice was almost exclusively MVAs, including car vs pedestrian. I’ve seen crashes where people are knocked out of their shoes, og course. I’ve seen exactly one where a woman lost her pants in a wreck but it was higher speed and she was ejected from the vehicle. She was wearing loose sweatpants and they likely caught on something as she was ejected through the window. I’ve never, ever seen someone lose a belt. This trooper’s testimony makes absolutely zero sense.
No one took a picture of the stinking taillight, the most important piece of evidence. Really?
Another thought I just had is if the defence was able to take a video of the Lexus, at night, with the brakes applied and not applied so we can see the stark difference of what the rear of the SUV taillight would have looked like. It would be like a white beacon, I’m sure.
The courthouse is even older than Melanie thought, it was constructed between 1825-27. It’s so old the original bell that was on the roof was made by Paul Revere
The state has really screwed up there case... And look how far away he would've had to for her to hit him when she got up to 30mph.
I went to a high school parking lot that was empty. I put my SUV in reverse and gunned it. I got up to about 16 or 17 miles an hour and chickened out. I didn’t curve around the road either. The snow would really started sticking on the ground when she was there. If she was mad and kind of floored it to leave, it’s very possible. Her tire spun on the slickness of the road revving up the miles per hour when she was actually sitting still.
yeah sure you did
We used to do shit like that in the school parking lot so we could slide all over the place in our car.
2:25:11 My amazing fur baby used to do the same pee-pee dance 😅 it was a one-two stomp and a huff, one-two huff, one-two huff, then a little squeal-grunt like "Come on Mom!" 🐶 Fur babies are the best ♡♡♡
Yay!! Have been looking forward to this!!
And the defense also jad proof to everything they are alleging.
Love you both excited to watch 😊
I love Natalie teaming up with other channels!! (Besides the usual one 😬)
One thing I find curious is how the tail light breakage stops exactly where the tail light unit stops. I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely that it would stop in a straight line.
I work with crash investigators and I believe that while they do record incidents they do not record time and date of the incident. It would be more like number of ignition cycles between events. It's possible that Lexus is capturing that data on the EDR, but I doubt it. You might be able to tell when something happened by piecing together known driving times.
Also, does this vehicle not have reverse automatic braking. My Subaru does and I don't think I could hit someone even if I was trying to. It routinely slams on the breaks because one of the shrubs along the driveway is floppy in the rain or snow.
33:01 why in the Tom Cruise couch jumping hell, does the court not buy a small light for the lectern so the lawyer can stay near to the Mike… seriously Aunt Bev, wtf.
And speakers so that the jury can hear what the lawyers and witnesses are saying. I find it mind boggling that they have microphones to ensure those outside the court can hear, but don't ensure that those inside the courtroom can hear!
There is no evidence in this case that hasn't violated the chain of custody, in truth it should have never been allowed in